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Amnesty International and other human rights organizations have decried Israel's continued aerial bombing campaign as unlawful and denounced the killing of more than 300 Palestinians since 27 December, including scores of unarmed civilians not taking part in the hostilities. Israel's attacks on the densely populated Gaza Strip also elicited condemnation from numerous world politicians and sparked protests in global cities.
Despite international outcry over escalating violence, the U.S. mainstream media continues to privilege a prepackaged narrative in which Israel's actions are never disproportionate, never counterproductive and certainly never gratuitous. According to the mainstream media, the U.S. must continue uncompromisingly supporting Israel because the allegedly beleaguered democracy is held hostage by monomaniacal Islamofascists who are inherently evil. Promoting a paradigm in which Israel is always David up against Goliath, the U.S. media presents suffering Palestinians as expendable for the greater cause of Israel winning its epic struggle. To justify U.S.'s carte blanche to Israel, the mainstream media restricts American readers to an echo chamber in which the following claims are repeated ad nausem until they are mistaken for fact:
Israel has a legal and moral right to bomb Gaza out of defense Security concerns are not and never have been a tolerable justification for pre-emptive attacks. Israel's decision to bomb Gaza represents a major assault on the international rule of law. The law of occupation is one of the oldest and most developed branches of international humanitarian law. An occupying power is obliged to follow the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, which protects the civilian population. The United Nations Security Council held in 1979 that the Fourth Convention did apply in the territories seized by Israel in 1967. Article 48 of the additional protocol is clear that Israel, as an occupying power, has obligations: "The Parties to the conflict shall at all times distinguish between the civilian population and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives and accordingly shall direct their operations only against military objective." The latest Israeli attacks come on top of a brutal siege of the Gaza Strip which has created a humanitarian catastrophe of dire proportions for Gaza's beleaguered Palestinian residents by restricting the provision of food, fuel, medicine, electricity, and other necessities of life. "International law is not observed with respect to Israeli policies towards the Gaza Strip, Israel continues to reinforce an occupation whose every element violates international humanitarian law, and particularly the Fourth Geneva Convention," notes Jeff Halper, an Israeli-American Anthropologist, author, lecturer, political activist, and co-founder and Coordinator of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions.
Israeli citizens live in constant fear of Hamas rockets Since 2005 Hamas has fired some 6,300 rockets from Gaza at Israel, killing 10 people.[1] In just the last four days, Israel has reduced the Gaza Strip to rubble and killed over 300 Palestinians. During the ongoing four-decade-long brutal occupation of historic Palestine and the recent grotesquely inhumane blockade of Gaza, Palestinian deaths have far outnumbered Israeli deaths. Since September 29, 2000, approximately 123 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians whereas 1,050 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis. Since September 29, 2000, a total of 1,062 Israelis and no fewer than 4,876 Palestinians were killed in the conflict.[2]
Hamas refuses to recognize the right of Israel to exist and has never made any concessions As Seth Ackerman of Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) notes, there is no need to euphemize Hamas' history of brutal tactics or its bellicose ideology, but Hamas has signaled its potential willingness to accept a two-state settlement and make other concessions to broker peace.[3] Hamas has also made tentative offers of a long-term "hudna," or truce, albeit with less gusto than Israel demands.
Israel is only targeting Hamas headquarters Gaza, one of the most densely populated tracts of land in the world, is home to about 1.3m Palestinians, about 33% of whom live in United Nations-funded refugee camps.[4] Avoiding civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip during aerial raids is comparable to trying to avoid such casualties in Washington DC, New York City or Los Angeles. "Because Gaza is so densely populated, there is no such thing as precision strike - you have glass, brick, shrapnel flying into people's homes," notes Ewa Jasiewicz, a volunteer with the Free Gaza Movement.[5]
Attacking Hamas will help Israel achieve securityThere is no doubt that the recent attacks will only embolden and multiply Israel's detractors. Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a religious decree to Muslims around the world on Sunday, ordering them to defend Palestinians against Israel's attacks on Gaza. For a second day in Jordan, several thousand protesters gathered in Amman and burned Israeli and American flags.[6] There were similar rallies in Egypt, Syria, Libya and Iraq with many calling for a firm response from their leaders. Hamas' military is barely dented by the Israeli attacks and, according to a poll by Israel's Channel 10 television station, only 6% of Israelis believe its governments aerial bombings will end Hamas' rocket attacks. [7]
The Bush administration has the implicit support of the international community in blaming Hamas "thugs" and applauding Israel's show of defense With the exception of the U.S. and her staunchest allies, the international community has largely condemned Israel's attacks. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called on Israel to "urgently halt" its military campaign. Japan's Foreign Minister Hirofumi Nakasone said, "Japan calls on Israel to exercise its utmost self-restraint." China's Vice-Premier Li Kequiang joined the voices urging a halt to violence and said, "The Chinese side is shocked and seriously concerned over the current military operations in Gaza that have caused a large number of death and injuries."[8] Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi similarly stated, "Malaysia deplores the disproportionate use of military power by Israel against the people of Gaza." French President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose country holds the European Union presidency, told the Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas of his serious concerns about the escalating violence. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon added his voice to the 15-member Security Council's call for an immediate end to hostilities and urged Israel to allow humanitarian aid into the poverty-stricken territory.[9] Humanitarian organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch reiterate their call for an end to reckless and unlawful Israeli attacks against densely populated residential areas.
The attacks on Gaza are supported by the entire Jewish community Jewish Voice for Peace joins millions around the world, including the 1,000 Israelis who protested in the streets of Tel Aviv this weekend, in condemning ongoing Israeli attacks on Gaza. The organization calls for an immediate end to attacks on all civilians, whether Palestinian or Israeli. In the face of mounting deaths, several Israeli and American Jewish peace groups are protesting the recent air raids by demonstrating in the streets, petitioning their elected officials and directly reaching out to Palestinian civilians. Groups that are encouraging peace between Palestinians and Israelis include Rabbis for Human Rights, B'Tselem, Bat Shalom, Ta'ayush, Yesh-Gvul, Peace Gush Shalom Tikkun, and many others. While there is no consensus in the Jewish community on the recent Gaza air raids, the underreported efforts of the Jewish "left" is far from negligible; Jewish Voices of Peace claims more than 10,000 members and has been instrumental in drawing attention to the lopsided media coverage through their "Lights out in Gaza, News Blackout in U.S." campaign. Many of these Jewish peace activists are deeply religious and draw on the Torah to support their stand against Israel's attack on Gaza. The media has extensively covered the Israeli settlers who cheer on Israel's more hawkish actions, but little has been written on dissident Israeli Jews and their American Jewish sympathizers who are advocating a more peaceful, non-violent course.
The mainstream media is culpable for American's ongoing ignorance and knee-jerk loyalty to Israel. Instead of elucidating motives and contextualizing actions, reporters' biased diction obscures facts and editors' cursory commentary muddles logic. By de-historicizing the conflict, the media reduces Palestinians to stock-characters who reject generous olive branches offered by Israel in favor of advocating for the dissolution of the Jewish state. A column by Israeli Gideon Levy in Haaretz, entitled "The neighborhood bully strikes again," could never appear in a paper in the U.S nor could a single paragraph be uttered by any American politician, in either party, of any national prominence without damning consequences.[10]
While visiting Israel in July, President-elect Barack Obama said, "If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I would do everything to stop that, and would expect Israel to do the same thing." The question remains, what would Obama do if his daughters were deprived of food, electricity, medical care, and human dignity? What would Obama do if his daughters were humiliated when they traveled, maimed when they walked away from bomb shelters and robbed of their childhoods? If Obama fails to answer these questions with humanity, we can expect 4 to 8 more years of President Bush's failed Middle East strategy.
As a person that was born in the Middleeast, whith relatives still there I think I have a clue on whats going on there. I'll tell you right now that I hate war - but what can you do if the whole Middleeast wants to wipe your country out? Would you not defend yourself?
I know that the Palestinians are the ones that have most casualties, but they started this whole mess. If they had the same weapons Israel have, they would do as much damage. I do feel sorry for all the civilian that have died. It truly makes me sad to see children die from war.
The big problem is unfortunally that Jews and Muslims will always hate eachother. This is not the first, second or third time this has happened. They start "wars" like this every year. This has been going on for a longer time than I have even lived. One of the sides do something to the other side and the war is on. People die and then they stop like a year. What makes this whole deal is that there are other countries involved. Iran being the leader in the shadows. Iran and Israel is more or less arch enemies. What Iran wants and more or less any muslim country in the Middleeast wants is to wipe out Israel. It is as simple as that.
You may think I'm rambling, but I know very well how the situation is down there. I've seen the bombings, we have hidden in basements for days. I can tell you that it wasn't pleasant. I'm so glad I don't live in that region anymore. It was fucking hell. Complaining and saying that Israel is the evil in this war is easy for people in peaceful countries. You can never know how the situation is.
Even if they stop this war, it is only temporary. They will start again in a month a year or even ten years. It doesn't matter when, but they will start all over again.
Last year one of my friends went to Lebanon to see some of his family. After two weeks the war started between Lebanon and Israel. Hisbollah were the ones attacking Israel that time. Iran being the ones with the plan. What did Israel do? They defended themselves as they are doing now. This time it is Hamaz. The other islamic group Fatah are not involved and left alone. This matter is so complicated it is hard to understand everything for an outsider.
I hope that there will be peace in that area and war will never break out again but those are naive dreams.
This war is all about religion. Muslims versus Jews. That is the sad truth and as a religious person this breaks my heart. I have friends from many different religions and we all agree that starting a war over religion is one of the worst things you can do. Unfortunately the mentality in the middleeast is very old. It's like you're not living in our time.
As a person that was born in the Middleeast, whith relatives still there I think I have a clue on whats going on there. I'll tell you right now that I hate war - but what can you do if the whole Middleeast wants to wipe your country out? Would you not defend yourself?
I know that the Palestinians are the ones that have most casualties, but they started this whole mess. If they had the same weapons Israel have, they would do as much damage. I do feel sorry for all the civilian that have died. It truly makes me sad to see children die from war.
The big problem is unfortunally that Jews and Muslims will always hate eachother. This is not the first, second or third time this has happened. They start "wars" like this every year. This has been going on for a longer time than I have even lived. One of the sides do something to the other side and the war is on. People die and then they stop like a year. What makes this whole deal is that there are other countries involved. Iran being the leader in the shadows. Iran and Israel is more or less arch enemies. What Iran wants and more or less any muslim country in the Middleeast wants is to wipe out Israel. It is as simple as that.
You may think I'm rambling, but I know very well how the situation is down there. I've seen the bombings, we have hidden in basements for days. I can tell you that it wasn't pleasant. I'm so glad I don't live in that region anymore. It was fucking hell. Complaining and saying that Israel is the evil in this war is easy for people in peaceful countries. You can never know how the situation is.
Even if they stop this war, it is only temporary. They will start again in a month a year or even ten years. It doesn't matter when, but they will start all over again.
Last year one of my friends went to Lebanon to see some of his family. After two weeks the war started between Lebanon and Israel. Hisbollah were the ones attacking Israel that time. Iran being the ones with the plan. What did Israel do? They defended themselves as they are doing now. This time it is Hamaz. The other islamic group Fatah are not involved and left alone. This matter is so complicated it is hard to understand everything for an outsider.
I hope that there will be peace in that area and war will never break out again but those are naive dreams.
This war is all about religion. Muslims versus Jews. That is the sad truth and as a religious person this breaks my heart. I have friends from many different religions and we all agree that starting a war over religion is one of the worst things you can do. Unfortunately the mentality in the middleeast is very old. It's like you're not living in our time.
defending themselves (Israel) doesn't give them the right to Kill thousands of Muslim children and thousands of innocent people there.
Be strong to the ones who start attacking, to the ones who have power not to the powerless and weak people (Children and Women).
No one on the earth will take this no one on the earth will handle this.it's very awful..it's so painful to see people dying everyday just because the heartless Jewish-soldiers!! where is the humanity?
*sigh* This war has been going on for ages, unless someone actually steps up to the issue, it'll be like this for a long, long time. Sabin's basically summarized it, however:
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Unfortunately the mentality in the middleeast is very old. It's like you're not living in our time.
I had to make a note on this. I actually agreed on everything you wrote until these last two sentences have made your paragraphs fall down. This is by far the most stereotypical way of thinking. Judging a whole region by just one country. If I called all of Europe now "retards" because of Germany back in the world war days, it wouldn't make much sense now would it? The "mentality" in the middle east is not old at all, as if you had traveled anywhere but that part you would've known.
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Be strong to the ones who start attacking, to the ones who have power not to the powerless and weak people (Children and Women).
No one on the earth will take this no one on the earth will handle this.it's very awful..it's so painful to see people dying everyday just because the heartless Jewish-soldiers!! where is the humanity?
America has been bombing buildings and killing civilians since they got into the Middle East, but that's okay because it's "collateral damage", but as soon as Israel does it, it's some sort of small scale genocide? Wake up.
The only difference between what Israel are doing and what America are doing is that Israel aren't trying to hide it, and secondly, it's not America!
Good for Israel, it's about time they stopped eating all the bullshit Gaza has had to offer. I'm not one for civilians dying but that place needs flattening.
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defending themselves (Israel) doesn't give them the right to Kill thousands of Muslim children and thousands of innocent people there.
I mean fight Hamas not children!!!
Yes it does. Put it like this.
1 suicide bomber (Just pawns in scale of things) = A possible 20+ deaths.
Now that suicide bomber is mixed in with let's say, a crowd of civilians. Now, either way, he's going to kill civilians OR brainwash more civilians into blowing themselves up.
Add up the numbers.
Yes you could easily march troops into Gaza, but tell me, why would that be a huge mistake?
Although I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with you on other threads, I do appreciate your insight and experiences. Thanks for the info. I'm sorry you've had to suffer though the war.
All I can really say at this point is, yeah, they do hate each other a lot. But sometime, sooner or later, there has to be a "break" with all this conflict. Personally, I'm hoping that one day, they can come to some kind of agreement or compromise and stop killing each other. I know, it's easy for an outsider for me to say that, but honestly I don't believe that violence solves issues always. I would rather they be handled in a milder manner.
The only "bad" side there is Hamas, not the Palestinians or the Israelites. Hamas hide themselves among their own innocent(Palestinians) people and put them in danger. Israel has no choice. Which brings me to the point that war is never good; however, a neccesity to defend the innocent (like those who died in Isreal).
My personal, presumed relatively uneducated answers to the points-
#1- If a group of people named Hamas are violent toward another group of people named Israel and the first group is bent to remain violent, and this commitment to violence is not being dealt with by Hamas' "peaceful" countrymen and government, then the Israeli people have no choice but to impose ample measures to deal with the threat.
#2- Hmmm, 6,300 rockets being fired at the people whom I am in charge of protecting...hmmm nobody is doing enough to deal with these people who are firing rockets at my people...hmmm I cannot allow this to happen. end of story. Even if I kill many more of their children I must stop any unyeilding threat. If the palestinian government would (or could) do something to stop these missiles and deaths being fired at Iraelis THAT WOULD BE FREAKIN' GREAT!! But they can't or wont. What can I do... defend my people. Don't matter if it's 6300 rockets, 63 rockets or 6.3; what matters is the unending motivation of Israel's attackers.
#3- If Hamas wants to be the big generous hand in this then they should lay down arms. The point is that until these apparently peaceful ideals where presented to Israel the exact extreme opposite was expressed and I would assume continues to be expressed by many of the leaders who would call themselves members of Hamas. Israel didn't and (i assume) doesn't have the edict of "deny the right to exist." If you've been playing a killing game you gotta take major measures to convey the fact that you intend peace. Complete surrender to the ruling Palestinian government and the laying down of arms is entirely sensible in light of the stances that have been taken by Hamas if peace is really desired.
4. I completely agree with the rebuttal of this point. All the more reason to understand that civilian casualties are to be expected if violence is needed to quell such a deliberate and unwavering people and ideal (Hamas).
5.- I agree with the angle of these apparent facts as well. Though the alternative continues to be an unsolved issue which results in the death of Israeli's. As I have already said, the numbers of deaths don't matter, Israeli government has a responsibility to defend it's people. The thing that really sux is that Palestine isn't as willing to put the gun to Hamas.
6. and 7.- Both of these do a great job of showing how many many people (people much smarter and more well informed than anybody who is likely to post on FF13.net) decry the ongoing violence. But the fact remains that none of these people can give an example of how an opponent bent on destruction unto death can be dealt with through anything but similar means. Up until now Hammas dudes 'es gonna kill Iraeli dudes. As a result Iraeli dudes 'es gonna kill Hamas dudes. It's a travesty and it is insulting to use slang to describe such a state. But them's the stakes me boy. History and the present stance of Hammas does not exhibit otherwise.
The closing comments are a nice example. So here goes, If I was Obama and my daughters were being treated like Palestinian civilians are being treated... I would do everything in my power to get rid of the people who were using my daughters as human shields.
EDIT: I hadn't watched the video that was posted under the points that were made. I wanted to add this because of how hopeless the elements shown in the video were. The vid is filled with terrible scenes of death and helplessness, i.e. poor Palestine, i.e. Israel is baaad. BUT that is then followed by an outspoken comment made by a Jordanian leader which I believe greatly exposes the reason for such violence.
Here you have a muslim individual who is charging non-supporters of Gaza (no delineation being made between Hamas and civilians) with being traitors. He incited arab people to "take to the streets and sacrifice their own for the "palestinian people." He demands that Arab leaders who have attempted peaceful negotiations with the "Jewish enemy" to revoke all agreements treaties and promises that have been made with the "criminal enemy". Furthermore that whoever establishes a relationship with "the enemy" is nothing but a criminal. This is rediculous! How can such obvious hatred be held as side worth sympathizing with? Of course innocent people are dying. It's AWFUL!! But that Jordanian is a perfect example of the belligerence that Israel is up against.
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I had to make a note on this. I actually agreed on everything you wrote until these last two sentences have made your paragraphs fall down. This is by far the most stereotypical way of thinking. Judging a whole region by just one country. If I called all of Europe now "retards" because of Germany back in the world war days, it wouldn't make much sense now would it? The "mentality" in the middle east is not old at all, as if you had traveled anywhere but that part you would've known.
But this is the truth my friend.
You steal - they chop your hand off.
You look at an attractive woman - there will be big problems if she is married.
You speak against the government - they kill you.
They even tell people to spy on eachother for money. If anyone finds a "traitor" they get rewarded.
If you are anything but muslim you should never ever show it. You pretend to be muslim.
They see a church? They burn it to the ground.
I know much about many of the countries in that region. In fact; I know shitloads about the mentality down there. FFs, I'm from that region. It is not assumption from my side. I'm giving you cold hard facts.
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Sabin,
Although I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with you on other threads, I do appreciate your insight and experiences. Thanks for the info. I'm sorry you've had to suffer though the war.
All I can really say at this point is, yeah, they do hate each other a lot. But sometime, sooner or later, there has to be a "break" with all this conflict. Personally, I'm hoping that one day, they can come to some kind of agreement or compromise and stop killing each other. I know, it's easy for an outsider for me to say that, but honestly I don't believe that violence solves issues always. I would rather they be handled in a milder manner.
I hate wars as I said earlier, but "true" peace will never be possible. If this happens I'll chop my left hand. This war has been going on for hundreds of years - not only decades. Nothing have helped to this day. They could stop for a while, but they will restart this whole mess someday.
The thing is that I do not blame regular jews and muslims. This is all the work of fundamentalists and people with personal agendas or greedy motherfuckers that want power - using religion as their excuse.
But this is the truth my friend.
You steal - they chop your hand off.
You look at an attractive woman - there will be big problems if she is married.
You speak against the government - they kill you.
They even tell people to spy on eachother for money. If anyone finds a "traitor" they get rewarded.
If you are anything but muslim you should never ever show it. You pretend to be muslim.
They see a church? They burn it to the ground.
I know much about many of the countries in that region. In fact; I know shitloads about the mentality down there. FFs, I'm from that region. It is not assumption from my side. I'm giving you cold hard facts..
I disagree even though you're from there.
Just because they haven't changed their way of life to equal our supposed equallity, it doesn't make them old fashioned.
If America and England (for example) followed Christianity to the word, we'd still be leading armies across the world in the name of God and hanging people for blasphemy. However, we don't. Religon is by no means followed anywhere near as much in our countries and has been manipulated to suit the people.
Religion over there isn't just a belief like it is for most over here, It's a way of life.
But this is the truth my friend.
You steal - they chop your hand off.
You look at an attractive woman - there will be big problems if she is married.
You speak against the government - they kill you.
They even tell people to spy on eachother for money. If anyone finds a "traitor" they get rewarded.
If you are anything but muslim you should never ever show it. You pretend to be muslim.
They see a church? They burn it to the ground.
I know much about many of the countries in that region. In fact; I know shitloads about the mentality down there. FFs, I'm from that region. It is not assumption from my side. I'm giving you cold hard facts.
I'm from that region too, and I actually live there. These aren't "cold hard facts" they're false accusations that any stereotypical person, such as yourself, who does nothing to research a place he's only heard of, assume.
You steal, you look at an attractive woman, you speak against the goverment etc. All the punishments that come along with these are from religion. You're setting these on none other than what is heard these days in the news, Saudi Arabia, which is known to be an extremist country, and which is, as I have to repeat myself, a country in that region which does represent us as a whole. Where I live, the U.A.E. to be precise, we are open minded. There are churches around here(they don't get "burned" to the ground). There are "arab" christians here who we fully respect. Alot of expats over here with a variety of religions that doesn't effect us. Similar countries are Kuwait, Bahrain, Oman, Qatar, Eygpt, Jordan etc.
Now I'm guessing you're not from that region because you don't really have an idea of what its like here nowadays so you should get your facts straight before explaining about our "mentality" over here.
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I'm from that region too, and I actually live there. These aren't "cold hard facts" they're false accusations that any stereotypical person, such as yourself, who does nothing to research a place he's only heard of, assume.
You steal, you look at an attractive woman, you speak against the goverment etc. All the punishments that come along with these are from religion. You're setting these on none other than what is heard these days in the news, Saudi Arabia, which is known to be an extremist country, and which is, as I have to repeat myself, a country in that region which does represent us as a whole. Where I live, the U.A.E. to be precise, we are open minded. There are churches around here(they don't get "burned" to the ground). There are "arab" christians here who we fully respect. Alot of expats over here with a variety of religions that doesn't effect us. Similar countries are Kuwait, Bahrain, Oman, Qatar, Eygpt, Jordan etc.
Now I'm guessing you're not from that region because you don't really have an idea of what its like here nowadays so you should get your facts straight before explaining about our "mentality" over here.
You have your opinion and I have mine. I'm not saying every country over there is like this. I know Lebanon, Syria and some other countries are tolerant. But there are also countries that act the way I'm telling you. The leaders are in some way old fashioned. The people that live there are starting to mordenize. I'll admit I do not have a 100% accurate view at this time. I was talking about how it was when I lived there.
Nagase, dude you obviously have no idea what Christianity is about. Your comment about England and America following the Bible to a tee would have pretty much the exact opposite effect of what you described. Read the Bible, it's only like the most famous book in the world.. get an education.
oh and religion is a belief which is conveyed through actions. do you really think it makes sense for someone to have a belief and not have what they believe effect them? if people of a certain religion don't act in accordance with their religion do they really believe it? ..no.
Nagase, dude you obviously have no idea what Christianity is about. Your comment about England and America following the Bible to a tee would have pretty much the exact opposite effect of what you described. Read the Bible, it's only like the most famous book in the world.. get an education.
oh and religion is a belief which is conveyed through actions. do you really think it makes sense for someone to have a belief and not have what they believe effect them? if people of a certain religion don't act in accordance with their religion do they really believe it? ..no..
Oh I can tell me and you are going to get along just fine.
Ok, let me start explain something to you.
First of all, when we were following the bible to a tee, the place was a slaughter house. By no means would a totally religious country make us a type of Eutopia like I think you're implying.
Get your head out of your ass and check back a few hundred years and you might have a good example of how following the bible doesn't lead to a perfect society, it generally leads to the opposite.
Oh and considering a lot of the bible is supposed to be metaphorical, surely that means it can be taken in a multitude of different ways meaning that a person's actions depend on their view of the metaphor.
You tell me to get an education? Yeah I might not be Oxford material, but at least I remember to start my sentences with a capital letter.
Don't confuse blind faith with intelligence, they're quite different.
Hi Nagase, yeah, I really don't want to argue with you about Christianity. Certainly on a thread that has nothing directly to do with Christianity. Suffice to say that the term "Christian" was coined by people who lived in Corinth when they observed believers who believed that Jesus Christ had died for their sins. Jesus, the person who is the focal point of Christianity and all of his disciples in the Bible are people who endured extreme torture and rejection for their beliefs. None of whom walked in a path of physical retaliation to their treatment.
On an interesting side note that does have to do with this thread, Muhammad the focal point of Islam was a person who bore arms to get his way. He also encouraged others to do so in order to see his beliefs proliferated. Whereas Yaweh, the God of the Iraelites which you can read about in the Old Testament, was and is a Deity that is entirely concerned with righteousness. In turn Yaweh punished or blessed Israelites and non-Iraelites according to their adherence to the 10 Commandments... essentially.
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Hi Nagase, yeah, I really don't want to argue with you about Christianity. Certainly on a thread that has nothing directly to do with Christianity. Suffice to say that the term "Christian" was coined by people who lived in Corinth when they observed believers who believed that Jesus Christ had died for their sins. Jesus, the person who is the focal point of Christianity and all of his disciples in the Bible are people who endured extreme torture and rejection for their beliefs. None of whom walked in a path of physical retaliation to their treatment.
On an interesting side note that does have to do with this thread, Muhammad the focal point of Islam was a person who bore arms to get his way. He also encouraged others to do so in order to see his beliefs proliferated.
Ah so religion does generally bring along violence in its path. At least we've cleared that one up.
And you know Y ? no doubt , 'Johny-come-later' is wrong.
Even it's still under the "No-shoot" contract for 6 months , but on the last Dec.4 08 there was the president election , and the news reported that Israel had invaded into Gaza first and killed 6 Palestines people on that day, therefore it had the response from Palestine later.
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Lights Out in Gaza, News Blackout in US
