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Finally, after weeks of pain, my 92 year old granpa died last night. I was just waiting for it to happen. He had constant pain in his abdomen, couldn't eat anything but soup and he really just wanted to die, he said it right out. On his behalf I'm happy, but also sad because I've lost one of the best persons I knew.
But I was surprised when I heard they couldn't just give him a pill. A sick old horse get's to be euthanized, but an old man who's perfectly fit mentally will just have sit there and suffer. On programs such as Huston SPCA, don't the say "humanely euthanized"? Is it humane to let an old man suffer?
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Odd, my grandfather died recently, too. Only, my grandfather was an arsehole and probably deserved it.
I have always supported euthanasia, but only if the individual in question is mentally fit, or if they aren't, the expressed a wish when they were that they wanted such to happen.
Now, personally, I'm not sure I'd ever wish such a fate for myself, but I believe the choice should always be there. If not, then that person's life is being unfairly dictated.
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...I'm sorry to your loss. I have never lost anyone in my family... You must love him so much dont you? I love my grandpa too.
They shouldnt let he suffer like this, but I think they tried their best. You shouldnt be sad, because your grandpa is in a better place now, without any pain.
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I'm really sorry to hear about your loss, but atleast you know your granpa is no longer in any pain, and by the sounds of it lived a full life!
I totally agree with you though, I was only talking about this a week ago with my mom about how humans have to 'deal with it' and animals get to go in peace, but I hope your dealing with the loss, stay strong!
my grandfather died last year, I didnt felt really sad about that becasue he wasnt really close to me, but he was my grandfather anyway, so it wasnt a reason for me to laugh,
but 92, that really nice age, not many people live so long,
Yeah, my grandpa was quite active in his years. He was quite active at a farm when he was young and he had a quite physical work at the Jotun paint factory, so he did get a strong heart and thus he managed to live long. But he was a very nice man.
I still got both of my grandparents at my fathers side, my grandfather there is as old as granpa on my mothers side, but slightly more fit for his age. My grandmother on my mothers side died a couple of years before I was born due to severe damages she got when she fell down some stairs, so I never knew her.
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My dad aint stronger then your dad, but he's stronger than your dad! If you struggle with this, then you can burn in hell. Other than that, it should be fine....
But I was surprised when I heard they couldn't just give him a pill. A sick old horse get's to be euthanized, but an old man who's perfectly fit mentally will just have sit there and suffer. On programs such as Huston SPCA, don't the say "humanely euthanized"? Is it humane to let an old man suffer?
Sorry for your loss.I think the indecision to commit to euthanasia is due to a variety of reasons
In most cases euthanasia is carried out because the person who dies asks for it, but there are cases called euthanasia where a person can't make such a request.When that person cant make that request then who will.And that person deciding what will be their 'true' motives.I for one agree with euthanasia to an extent as it allows a person to die in dignity.Usually the main arguments against euthanasia are religious.God,life i.e.Still if it were legalized-humans being humans will inevetibly abuse the laws surrounding euthanasia.I would expand on this subject more *is not bothered*
Just for the record theres already another topic on 'euthanasia' if thats what you were aiming to discuss.
But I was surprised when I heard they couldn't just give him a pill. A sick old horse get's to be euthanized, but an old man who's perfectly fit mentally will just have sit there and suffer. On programs such as Huston SPCA, don't the say "humanely euthanized"? Is it humane to let an old man suffer?
It's different consequences involving man and animal.
None taken, nobody should suffer the pain your grandfather most likely had. And none taken its not humane to let a person suffer, but if he couldn't have the treatment he needed because the health service couldn't provide it correctly, then they are at fault to a certain extent, but if it was never pushed by your grandfather and family to be resolved, unfortunately the Health services usually refuse, I'd say you'd have to push ALOT to even get some care for unknown abdominal pain, it took me two years to be admitted for the removal of my ovary, just because they wouldn't take the pain i had seriously. They kept assuming it was appendicitis, when it obviously wasn't.
Unfortunately Euthanasia isn't a very broad disscussion as far as the government goes, and far as I'm aware, depending on where you live you would have to travel to a different country for a human, humane euthanasia, if the person truly wanted to go through with the quick process. Not many countries truly allow euthanasia, it's pretty much a taboo, and is considered as suicide.
Yet with animals, its completely different as far as people see, only not because they are a different spiecies, but also to do with welfare and treatment. It's easy to euthanize an animal, and simple, i would know personally because i did a lengthy amount of work experience at my local vets. Animals daily came through and where euthanize, either for health reasons, because the owner could not cope or simply decided out of ignorance they did not want this animal anymore.
Yet with a human, it is different, because we are able to speak out and understand with each other, as to an animal you are less than unable too, speech wise.
Wow. Thats a big loss. Hopefully you will feel better soon enough.
As for the euthanized stuff, I doubt they would let him. I pretty much agree with Cath. everyone calls it taboo, until they have a loved one who just wants to die.
Strange, my grandmother died a few weeks ago as well. Three days before my birthday no less. I wasn't even there to comfort here though; I was in China. D=
I'm sorry for your loss, but I personally don't believe in euthanasia. I just don't think it's right to kill someone even if they ask for it.
I'm sorry for your loss, but I personally don't believe in euthanasia. I just don't think it's right to kill someone even if they ask for it.
In most cases euthanasia promotes the best interests of everyone involved-i.e it should be unanimous or agreed upon therefore it violates no ones rights.So long as the pateint is lucid then their best interests shouldnt be ignored.I think the argument that only god has the right to decide when a person dies is rather shallow in its own right-Im not implying that anyone here has stated that-But i'd rather not go into religious viewpoints right now-Even though I respect them to an extent .But if a lucid individual does decide to commit to euthanasia then theres still the issue of balancing the consequences.i.e family grief.I would counter my argument but *not bothered*.
I feel your pain. I lost my granpa in May this year, he was 80. He was also in constant pain and mentally fit. The hardest part of it all is that he was my mothers dad and he was buried on her birthday, I can't even imagine how that feels. That was the first time I cried like a child, when they lowered the coffin. I loved the man, he loved his grandchildren more than anything. If my mom beat us up (and, God did we deserve it ) he'd tell her to stop.
Losing someone you love is not easy, but in time you'll learn to move on. You'll always have the memories.
About euthanasia, I don't know what I think of it. I could never take another human life, in any way. Even if it means he'll live with constant pain. I know many doctors would agree to do this if it was accepted and other would have nothing to do with it. I simply would not be able to do it, and I wouldn't force anyone to take my life no matter what.
Granpa's dead...
) he'd tell her to stop.
