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I personally think she's hawt, but thats not why I started this thread . No, I have only a small understanding of gender identification and reassignment surgery and all of that business, but I do know that I *know* that people who have gone through this very difficult process are in my eyes, whatever they identify as. I've noticed a lot of malcontent toward individuals who go from female-to-male or male-to-female transformations.
Aren't these people just correcting a mistake? Becoming on the outside what they feel they are on the inside? A lot of people immediately say something along the lines of 'God made them male/female, how dare they change that blah blah blah'. Well then how about people who are born intersexed? Were they meant to be like that? I don't think so.
Well, I think everyone can do whatever they want with their own bodies, but the problem is that society created a way of seeing it as bad, impure, even evil. Mainly because of religious reasons, like you said in the 'God made them...' part.
Many people that WANT to do that, because they feel they should do it on the inside, DON'T do it, because of the repercussions it may bring... the society as a whole doesn't accepts it, I don't know why. It's like homosexuality, they're still humans, only thing that changed in them was sexual preference, but there's the homophobia and related stuff... that's the world we live in -.-"
Anyway, I think that people should care about their own lives.
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I think another thing it springs from is just that. People thinking about how one's that do w/e surgeries to their bodys may do to their lives. Alot of adults may see it as something to avoid due to thinking of a young child or children that they may have, wondering what kind of effect someone that has undergone the surgeries could have on their children. And then others are just as you said, falling under the defense of religion. Then forget that whatever god(s) they believe in also gave "their creations" free will and the ability to choose w/e path they so choose. But thats all just where the phobias and such come from. I don't think it will ever be a widely accepted thing in any society, but who knows maybe this chick thats showin up on Top Model may make a difference. It'd be interesting to see tons of dudes drooling over her xD. All in all, a person's gender doesn't effect anything, that's the age we live in. And it shouldn't matter if it's someone born, or made, gender.
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You sure you're Atheist if for that reason? xD Sounds more Agnostic <.<;; Though either way it doesn't matter at all. I'll deffinately agree with you on that aspect though. The only religions that don't really get in the way are more ancient, or eastern religions, mostly from Chinese and Japanese culture. Oh if only we were all more like those hentai loving horny old men ; ;....Slight sarcasm there xD. Either way you also can't blaim it all on religion xD It's also just human nature to fear/hate things they/we can't fully understand and I don't think most people will ever understand why others would do that to their bodies.
__________________ You cannot change the world without being willing to change yourself.
I'll trade freedom from religion for lower moral-fiber anyday <.<; Look at our species....obviously religion doesn't help as much as we wish it would xD Hell that's why we're fighting civilians in different contries while ppl keep blowing themselves up.
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I don't even discuss about religion... I respect religious people, but I just dislike proselytism.
My atheism came naturally.
What can I say? My mom's agnostic and dad's deistic.
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"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - H. Dent in 'The Dark Knight'
Religion changes peoples morals and ideals on life, which is why I'm atheist. Transgender people, or whatever you want to call them, can be treated differently because of religion, too. I don't mind transgendered people. They can live however they want to.
...Atheism ftw. Then again god gave us free will to do whatever we want! I can't wait till the world becomes engulfed in lust like "Brave New World". The world's already fucked up as it is and I wouldn't change a thing about it. Here's a clip from "Little Nicky"
I dont see how being born in the wrong body is a "mistake." People are born a certain gender because.... well, thats the way they were meant to be. I wish I could explain it better, but you'd have to be mind-corrupted if you wanted to switch sexes.
EDIT: Lets keep religion out of this, we have enough threads about it already.
Allen, I don't think so, sorry. You know why? Because humans are sentient, they feel emotions, they can make choices. That's why I don't think it's corruption. Naturally, it WAS meant to be what nature has made them, but their insides, their inner selves tell them the reverse.
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"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - H. Dent in 'The Dark Knight'
Gender Idenitfication and Transgendered People's
. No, I have only a small understanding of gender identification and reassignment surgery and all of that business, but I do know that I *know* that people who have gone through this very difficult process are in my eyes, whatever they identify as. I've noticed a lot of malcontent toward individuals who go from female-to-male or male-to-female transformations.
