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Old Feb 10 2008, 11:04 PM   #1
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Do you believe that humans are naturally born who they are? Or is it their surroundings that affect how they behave?

ex: born a serial killer

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Old Feb 10 2008, 11:12 PM   #2
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I personally think it involves the certain environment a person is brought up in, along side how they where brought up as a child, teenager and adult.
People's moral's are different, people have different or alternat perspectives on certain things, which affects on who they are, their certain beliefs and ambitions, fears, etc...

Definatly Nurture for me, anyway.
My family definatly explains my behavoir
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Old Feb 10 2008, 11:15 PM   #3
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Nurture. Experience is the best teacher.

Of course, character-wise. There might be some things you were given while growing in mother's womb or at birth but that's inevitable. And that example's just an over-exaggeration. A metaphor. I don't think babies are capable of killing, anyway.
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Old Feb 10 2008, 11:17 PM   #4
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they may have the possibility of gumming a homeless man to death
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Old Feb 10 2008, 11:20 PM   #5
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It's neither, the mind of a serial killer can't be put into 2 completly sepereate catergories. Some people kill because of their surroundings, some people kill because they enjoy it, some people kill because it turns them on.

I'm saying sometimes the urge to kill can sometimes be something your born with, something you develop or somethingaround you that has effected you or hundreds of other things.
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Old Feb 10 2008, 11:22 PM   #6
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That's speaking specifically about the serial killer subject. Your view in general?
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Old Feb 10 2008, 11:24 PM   #7
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This is my view.

You got a serial Killer, you can't say they killed becase

1) He was born like it
2) His surroundings effected him.

Because what about the other 20+ reasons.
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Old Feb 13 2008, 02:24 AM   #8
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Both obviously.

If I have a certain combination of genes that give me a better chance of being highly intelligent, but I'm brought up in a rubbish neighbourhood, have poor nutrition and no support from my school/family/etc, I'll probably be stupid.

On the flipside, if I don't have said genes butI have an amazing private education from 5 all the way through to university, then even if Im not the next Einstien, I'll probably be smart enough.

Of course theres exceptions, blah blah blah. But the rule generally holds.
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Old Feb 13 2008, 03:41 AM   #9
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Nurture lol. There's a reason why 99.99% of serial killers were abused or otherwise mistreated as children, the other 0.01% having been raised well, but have mental illnesses.
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Old Feb 13 2008, 05:55 AM   #10
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It seems we all agree on the environment that one is brought up in one way or another... But what about those kids that are "natural geniuses?"
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Old Feb 13 2008, 07:44 AM   #11
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Natural geniuses?? I think it's from early experience. Define "natural geniuses" if you please, xEnergie.
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Old Feb 18 2008, 02:55 AM   #12
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Nurture all the way. We are born with certain principles, but there is so much interfering influence all around us.

What annoys me these days is how kids are robbed of their innocence from such a young age.
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Old Feb 20 2008, 01:38 AM   #13
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Natural geniuses are born with exeptional metal capabilities. Doesn't mean they automatically become smart. They might learn faster or retain more info, but they have to actively learn it first.

The other end of that would be mental retardation, which makes up the 0.001% of killers.
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Old Mar 02 2008, 10:14 AM   #14
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Boredom contributed to this post>>I don't have a particular preference be it nature or nurture.Both I would say seem to have an equal influence on or lives.To put it this way>particular genes influence the development of a trait in the context of a particular environment-you could say both had an interpersonal relationship.Genes have been found to have a substantial contribution towards psychological traits but environmental deprivation etc largely influences how these are maintained or developed.
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Old Mar 05 2008, 05:06 PM   #15
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This is tough.

I do think your environment has an effect, but I also agree that genetics make up a portion as well.

I'm bascially on the fence with this. :/
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Old Mar 22 2008, 08:39 AM   #16
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Well, I actually have a master's in behavior analysis, and as a policy, I have to take the nurture side of this debate. I work with children with severe behavior problems every day, most of whom fall somewhere on the autism spectrum. I work with the parents to help them make changes in the child's environment that will affect their behavior, and you wouldn't believe how changing a few little things can make the child seem like a completely different person.

I had one student who I started working with when he was 2, almost 3. His mother brought him in because screaming was his primary form of communication (i.e., he screamed and cried and tantrummed in order to get food, diaper changes, toys...basically whatever he needed or wanted). He did not talk at all. I worked with her and his grandparents and showed them how to ignore the behavior we do not want from him (the screaming and crying) while simultaneously teaching him the behaviors we *do* want from him (asking for things vocally), and now, less than 1 year later, he is talking in 7 or 8 word phrases and sentences. His duration of cries per day, as we have measured it, has dropped 99.2% since he first came to us. He's my favorite student I love bragging about him.

It's my job to make environmental changes to these kids' lives that will affect their behavior, and based on what I've seen and know, I have to say my opinion is that the main thing that affects our personality (which I believe is really just behaviors we display consistently across the course of our lives) is our environment, not our genes.

That's my 2 cents. :p
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Old Mar 22 2008, 01:10 PM   #17
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I voted Nature.

Despite learning environments at school, colleges or home, what is most important is an internal drive for knowledge, or any obsession one may nourish. Sometimes one needs to reject temptation and other rogue activities in order to preserve human moral.

There are equal chances for a person to be influenced by something good and something bad. Experiences may impel for the better or condemn that person forever. One can not always rely on chances to shape his character.

Let's say I'm at school. If I am easily affected by the languid aptitude, I will only waste time and rot before I sit for any exam. Even if teaching quality is mediocre, I have to still be able to independently complete tasks set at an international standard and not be hindered by slower paces set by intramural stipulations.
On the other hand of course, good teaching or instructing, like Callie's will of course assist the child to develop well.
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Old Mar 22 2008, 01:55 PM   #18
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Well, I actually have a master's in behavior analysis, and as a policy, I have to take the nurture side of this debate. I work with children with severe behavior problems every day, most of whom fall somewhere on the autism spectrum. I work with the parents to help them make changes in the child's environment that will affect their behaviour, and you wouldn't believe how changing a few little things can make the child seem like a completely different person.
Im not entirely convinced about nurtures influence. But I believe that environmental input effects the expression of genes. Gene environment correlations indicate that people with certain genotypes are more likely to find themselves in certain situations or environments. But traits that reflect an individual’s temperament are partially heritable.
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I have to say my opinion is that the main thing that affects our personality (which I believe is really just behaviours we display consistently across the course of our lives) is our environment, not our genes.
That's my 2 cents. :p
I don’t think its reliable to say that a trait is most entirely due to nurture or nature in other peoples cases. Only in very few cases is it fair to say this. but I won’t try to contradict this opinion too much. Both nature and nurture make a variable input into our lives and the scientific debate still is trying to find a definite answer.
Overall the environment or are genetic disposition may determine some of our traits abilities etc...In the end our free will is what directs us and our actions so human behaviour cannot be predicted by genes and environmental effects alone.
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Old Mar 22 2008, 06:51 PM   #19
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Nurture, nurture, nurture.

People best learn and experience things from their environments, and I think nurturing plays the biggest part in how someone grows. I cannot, however, completely dismiss that nature has some influence as well, but I'm not waving around a degree in psychology. So...
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Old Mar 23 2008, 12:20 PM   #20
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Nurture, nurture, nurture.

People best learn and experience things from their environments, and I think nurturing plays the biggest part in how someone grows. I cannot, however, completely dismiss that nature has some influence as well, but I'm not waving around a degree in psychology. So...
I'm still not convinced-I only think that nurture has a degree of influence on how our genes manifest.Sure we learn from experience and these can shape us but like I mentioned before...

Gene environment correlations indicate that people with certain genotypes are more likely to find themselves in certain situations or environments. But traits that reflect an individual’s temperament are partially heritable.

It depends on how a person reacts to a situations or environment-Im hoping I made some sense.
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