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Old Dec 23 2007, 02:17 AM   #1
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Wow, these guys are sure are a nice example of religon. Can't be certain of the not so Jehovah following ones, but the true believers don't allow blood transfers of any kind for any reason.

So....say a family of them get into a car crash, 3 kids, mum and dad. The dad somehow climbs out without too many injuries but the rest of the family are all serisouly injured and need blood.

According to the religon, and what I have seen in alot of both reality and fictional TV shows, they would rather let all of them die rather than let them have blood and live.

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So you think making kids read a book full of war, genocide, rape and executions won't fuck them up?

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Old Dec 23 2007, 03:35 AM   #2
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Its their beliefs! We must never stand in the way of indivisual beliefs, no matter how stupid and backwards they are.

I'm joking, seriously when it comes to things like this people need saving from themselves, not only is a stupid belief, its taken completly out of context from the text they are getting it from, cant rmember it exactly but it can be read in a lot of different ways.

Its like christians basing thier hatred of homosexuals on one passage that can be read in many ways (and the morality of which can be disputed, I mean the guy banged both his daughters afterwards). And muslims self-enforcing strict clothing rules against women when the whole women being covered thing can be interpreted in a lot of ways. In the times of Mohammed women had a lot more freedom and respect then they do in many muslim theocracys today.
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Old Dec 23 2007, 07:30 AM   #3
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I have a close friend who is a Jehovah's Witness. She's amazingly kind, and her family is very much into their religion, but they don't force feed it down peoples' throats. But, from what I hear, the majority of them go door to door and preach like there's no tomorrow.

I'm not so sure your interpretation of Jehovah's Witnesses is entirely accurate. They're a much more modern theocratic sect now, at least in my area. Times change.

Now the mormons....ugh
mormonism is totally something I could go off on.
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Old Dec 23 2007, 04:18 PM   #4
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I think we should respect their views. It's their belief that they would be dying a moral way. Is that loigcally incorrect? No. Is it morally wrong? Only by our different set of opinions.

If they want to go door to door...yeah fine I can tolerate that too. I might even let them in for a lovely discussion and find out more about their beliefs. Just as long as they don't act like jackasses or anything.
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Old Dec 23 2007, 04:20 PM   #5
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As long as they stop knocking on my door at 8 am on a Saturday morning they can do what they wish.


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Old Dec 23 2007, 04:33 PM   #6
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But only after 8am.
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Old Dec 23 2007, 04:36 PM   #7
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There's no such thing as before 8am as far as I'm concerned, and other religions can respect my belief
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Old Dec 23 2007, 05:38 PM   #8
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As long as they stop knocking on my door at 8 am on a Saturday morning they can do what they wish.


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Well said, my friend.
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Old Dec 23 2007, 06:12 PM   #9
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Back to my orignal post, lets just say that the two kids and mother were unconscious and the dad had to make the choice. Who says at such a close time to death, that any one of them might choose life over their religon. That Dad imo has effecitvly murdered them.
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Old Dec 23 2007, 06:41 PM   #10
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^ I have to agree with you on that Nagase. If that dad is more for his religion than saving his family then he should have never had a family in the first place. I would consider him wrong if sat back and watched his family die just because his religion said it was the right thing to do. I could never be a part of such a religion.

A for Jehova's Witness, I would hear what they have to say, but that doesn't mean I would agree. They also don't celebrate birthdays or holidays...only the death of Christ. I mean...what?
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Old Dec 23 2007, 06:46 PM   #11
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Totally relevant.
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Old Dec 23 2007, 08:10 PM   #12
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They have the right to have their own beliefs, just like I have mine. I shall say no more...
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Old Dec 23 2007, 08:12 PM   #13
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They sure have a right to their own, but they have no right to try and force it on everyone else.
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Old Dec 23 2007, 08:32 PM   #14
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Since when was I forcing on anyone?
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Old Dec 23 2007, 08:34 PM   #15
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They sure have a right to their own, but they have no right to try and force it on everyone else.
Seconded. Of course all religions do it, Jehovah’s Witnesses are just more active in how they do it. While they are irritating in there way to try and convert you at least they don't actually accomplish anything. How many people have had there lives changed by what is essentially an obnoxious, religious telemarketer selling happiness and fulfillment ¬¬.

What's worse are those who try and convert you when you are feeling weak i.e. if a family member was dying and they convince you to pray for them when you're feeling hopeless. (Example shamelessly stolen from an episode of Studio 60).


And I think Dante was referring to Jehovah’s witnesses not you Kira.
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Old Dec 23 2007, 08:34 PM   #16
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Wtf. I'm not saying you. Re read my post PLZ.

Are you a Jehovah's Witness? Do you go door to door preaching your religion?
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Back to my orignal post, lets just say that the two kids and mother were unconscious and the dad had to make the choice. Who says at such a close time to death, that any one of them might choose life over their religon. That Dad imo has effecitvly murdered them.
Murdering means unlawful killing. The dad will not have believed he has done anything unlawful. You do. Do we know which one of you is right? No. All we can say is that we have differing opinions. If that family of his weren't Jehova's witnesses then that's another matter. He would have definately been wrong. If that is not the case. Then we can't say they were wrong.

Jehovah’s witnesses do not, as far as I'm aware of, force anyone into their religion. They are merely evangelical.
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Old Dec 23 2007, 10:01 PM   #18
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They put their foot into Luc's door when he tried to shut the door on them after he told them he wasn't interested. That's a bit more than innocently preaching.
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Old Dec 23 2007, 10:03 PM   #19
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Yeah it's like how the Army kept calling me and trying to recruit me

There are those who are forceful, and it's fuckin annoying
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They put their foot into Luc's door when he tried to shut the door on them after he told them he wasn't interested. That's a bit more than innocently preaching.
They? Are we so easily going to stereotype all Jehova's Witnesses? Perhaps in that case they were being persistent. And that was wrong. But it was not forceful.
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