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How is it possible for a God of the universe to exist? Unless of course our definition of universe is faulted. How does existence suddenly begin. Is God an accident, or result of a chemical reaction? I simply cannot grasp this concept of always existing. I t had to of started at some point. Sort of a chicken and egg type thing.
How is it possible for a God of the universe to exist? Unless of course our definition of universe is faulted. How does existence suddenly begin. Is God an accident, or result of a chemical reaction? I simply cannot grasp this concept of always existing. I t had to of started at some point. Sort of a chicken and egg type thing.
God has always been here. You and I can't wrap our minds around that concept because we're in time. But God is outside of time.
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It's different for every culture/religion. Like the Greek think that even Gaia (Mother Nature) and the Sky wasn't there in the very beginning. They somehow appeared out of nowhere...
It's different for every culture/religion. Like the Greek think that even Gaia (Mother Nature) and the Sky wasn't there in the very beginning. They somehow appeared out of nowhere...
Well what you're talking about is Greek Mythology. There's a difference between religion and mythology. (At least I think so.)
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I thought the God paradox was "can God create a being greater than himself?"
Oh well. If you want the atheist answer, God was created out of necessity by humans when they started to question where they came from, and couldn't find a logical explination at the time, so they went with what made the most sense, and raised the least questions. An all-mighty being that's always been there made them.
If you want a religious answer I suppose God has been there for eternity. He is not bound by the restrictions of time, and therefore can be both present at both the beginning and end of everything and all that's in between simultaneously.
God was there in the beginning. Thats basically it.
This is exactly my point. How can there be a beginning, that would mean it had to of started at some point.
God's outside of time? Does that mean he can break the speed of light?! Sorry Einstein!
According to the bible we should be able to wrap our minds around this concept. As when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of wisdom they became as gods. If they would have eaten from the tree of life as well, then we would have become gods. That's what I get out of Genesis chapter 3 anyway.
I'm not sure we should bother understanding how could could have alwsy existed. God, it is believed, created our laws of nature and so therefore should be outside the laws if he wishes. That would include a beginning.
God's outside of time? Does that mean he can break the speed of light?! Sorry Einstein!
I don't think it matters if he can break the speed of light or not...And yes, God is outside of time. If you think about it logically, it makes sense. Since we are in time (as we describe it), God must be outside of time. It also helps explain that when you die, you go to Heaven or to Hell for eternity.
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According to the bible we should be able to wrap our minds around this concept. As when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of wisdom they became as gods. If they would have eaten from the tree of life as well, then we would have become gods. That's what I get out of Genesis chapter 3 anyway.
But Adam and Eve are dead.... I mean, unless they're hiding somewhere in a dense jungle....
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If your an Atheist, god does not exist, so the question cannot be answered, if you are a Christian, he was and is just THERE.
So, really, there is no real explanation or way to answer the question. You almost have to be vague, there is no other way to TRY and explain it.
Acutally, if you're Atheist, "God does not exist" = answer. If you're theist, "God is always there" = answer. What you believe is your answer because it is what you believe....if that makes any sense...
You don't have to be vague. Like stated earlier, your belief is your answer. I can't explain it scientifically to an Atheist because God cannot be described by science...(at least somewhat...I think.)
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Acutally, if you're Atheist, "God does not exist" = answer. If you're theist, "God is always there" = answer. What you believe is your answer because it is what you believe....if that makes any sense...
1. If god existed from the beginning of time? Then who created god???
2. Or did god create himself??
3. And is there anyway to to decipher whether or not he/she exists without involving religion????
Sorry if these question have been asked already -.-;
Don't worry about it. ^^
It's confusing, yes. I can't exactly wrap my mind around the "God being here forever" concept, which is why I normally don't think about it. But here are my answers to your questions.
1. God was always here. No one created God.
2. This one is hard to answer. I don't believe he "created" himself.
3. Hm..not really. Since God is a main part of religion.
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Not following any religion but still wondering how we got here and IF there really is a god or a higher being
Trying someway to prove god's or whatever's existence without following any religion, it seems kind of impossible, but to me I find it easier to wonder while not following any religion, since many religions (no offense to anyone) seem to have downfalls and unexplainable or believable stories
I'm not really going to state my own opinion on this, but this is what I got from the Bible. God has told us what we need to know, and nothing more. When it's said that God has been in existence for all eternity. "Eternity" refers to our universe, and it's laws. He created the universe, so he was there at the beginning, he is here now, and will be here at the end. So, he will be here for as long as time exists, which equals "Eternity".
I'm not really going to state my own opinion on this, but this is what I got from the Bible. God has told us what we need to know, and nothing more. When it's said that God has been in existence for all eternity. "Eternity" refers to our universe, and it's laws. He created the universe, so he was there at the beginning, he is here now, and will be here at the end. So, he will be here for as long as time exists, which equals "Eternity".
I don't think it matters if he can break the speed of light or not...And yes, God is outside of time. If you think about it logically, it makes sense. Since we are in time (as we describe it), God must be outside of time. It also helps explain that when you die, you go to Heaven or to Hell for eternity.
But Adam and Eve are dead.... I mean, unless they're hiding somewhere in a dense jungle....
Ya speed of light was a joke, if you read the time travel thread...
But we are supposedly the offspring of Adam and Eve. They were the building blocks of the human. So we are them.
I'm not really going to state my own opinion on this, but this is what I got from the Bible. God has told us what we need to know, and nothing more. When it's said that God has been in existence for all eternity. "Eternity" refers to our universe, and it's laws. He created the universe, so he was there at the beginning, he is here now, and will be here at the end. So, he will be here for as long as time exists, which equals "Eternity".
Ah, now here's an interesting question. You said that as long as time exists then so will God. Does that mean God is dependant on time? Or did he create time also?
The Classic God Paradox
Sorry Einstein!
