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Old Aug 06 2007, 09:19 AM   #1
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Anyway, this thread is about what Nomura says of Versus in his interview with Edge.



Now...

"Real World Events" is kind of ambiguous in this context.

My interpretation and assumotion, is that he was saying that this game won't be about "Oh noes! Teh magics is being stolen!" and more about things like war, possibly socio-political issues and events the mirror the ones that exist in our reality.

I could also be completely wrong.

However, Nomura has also been quoted as saying Versus is perhaps the darkest, most tragic Final Fantasy ever, because it is simply the only way the story can be told."

He also mentions, in the same article with Edge, that he wants to deal with a more grim, bleaker reality. Might this be Nomura's opinions on the climate of our current situation?

I think we might be looking at the most controversial FF yet.

What are your opinions?

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Old Aug 06 2007, 11:44 AM   #2
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Definatly. Which is the main part of the reason I'm so excited about this game. Fantasy that can make comments on real-world issues can be amazing when done right, hopefully Nomura can pull it off.

Some themes that would be good to explore is the decline of personal liberty in western countries, the supposed 'clash of civilisations' between east and west, the ongoing North Korean crisis, American Imperialism, etc etc. Hes got a huge pallette to work with.
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Old Aug 06 2007, 12:05 PM   #3
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If they are taking inspiration from real-world events then hopefully the story will be a bit more original/interesting than the usual 'group of heroes come together to save the world from evil'. Not that those sort of stories are bad, it's just that we've seen it so many times in RPG's.

Nomura says they want to offer 'some crude reality in terms of human emotion or human behaviour' so hopefully we should get some memorable characters who go beyond the usual stereotype of the spiky haired hero with severe emotional problems.
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Old Aug 06 2007, 03:05 PM   #4
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I dont want a political dictator as the main villian. .-.
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Old Aug 06 2007, 04:47 PM   #5
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I dont want a political dictator as the main villian. .-.
I would love that. A villain that has power with just his words but not his sword.

A lot more real world then the evil guy taking over countries (cities but really) with just a sword and some spells. If we are lucky he'll have the stereotypical evil army. Instead of using misleading and wrongful recruiting posters and tools to brainwash people into starting a ongoing conflict between people that didn't do what he said and don't want to fight.



I doubt Nomura can do any of this and make it important in the game. Even less keep it tasteful. I am awaiting someones take on the constant genocide in Africa that has been going on for longer then anyone can imagine.
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Old Aug 06 2007, 10:20 PM   #6
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Definatly. Which is the main part of the reason I'm so excited about this game. Fantasy that can make comments on real-world issues can be amazing when done right, hopefully Nomura can pull it off.

Some themes that would be good to explore is the decline of personal liberty in western countries, the supposed 'clash of civilisations' between east and west, the ongoing North Korean crisis, American Imperialism, etc etc. Hes got a huge pallette to work with.
There's really so much he has to go with on this one.

I'm guessing we're going to see alot of thoughts on "occupying countries" and that it will be remarkably similar to the situation going on in the current political climate.
I think the game will be a commentary on that, while still remaining in the fantasy realm to an extent.

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I doubt Nomura can do any of this and make it important in the game. Even less keep it tasteful. I am awaiting someones take on the constant genocide in Africa that has been going on for longer then anyone can imagine.
You know, for some reason, I have confidence in Nomura with this one.
I feel that he's grown with us. I'm 22 now. When I played Final Fantasy VII?
It was everything I wanted...but as I got older, I required more. And his games always seem to come at the right time for me. Don't get me wrong, he's had his share of complete deviation from his general themes, but every good artist should.

I have a feeling this game is going to be quite Shakesperian in nature.
Perhaps he feels that it's the darkest Final Fantasy yet, because, in Final Fantasy...people come back. The bad guy always gets killed. But in the "real world". that doesn't happen very often.

As for the genocide in Darfur...I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
I have a feeling this is going to be much closer to the "war on terror" occupations.
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Old Aug 06 2007, 11:40 PM   #7
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I have a feeling this game is going to be quite Shakesperian in nature.
Perhaps he feels that it's the darkest Final Fantasy yet, because, in Final Fantasy...people come back. The bad guy always gets killed. But in the "real world". that doesn't happen very often.
Final Fantasy Tactics anyone?

Really now. I just don't trust his judgment on what is "dark" and "sophisticated". As in doing it in a smart nature.
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I dont want a political dictator as the main villian. .-.
Sounds XII-ish

This game would definitely be more....errmmm... classical(?) than the others.
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Old Aug 07 2007, 03:34 AM   #9
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See, I suppose I'm hoping that Nomura will pick up where I think XII failed.
As in, an interesting political story.

But...who knows.

I think Nomura has something different up his sleeve, or he wouldnt' go to the lengths that he has to explain that this is DIFFERENT than his other works
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I do hope Nomura doesn't think dark means pointlessly depressed charecters, that would be quite annoying. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt however. Yes Advent Children was a pile of cack, but hopefully he'll redeem himself with this. I mean the visual style is already quite interesting (but please PLEASE change the protaginists outfit).

Back on the real-world-issues. I remember hearing about how the crystal is what (powers?) helps run his state and the other countries want the crystal and can't do much without it. Sort of reminds me of the whole oil situation. Maybe power is based off economic might? Rather than WE HAVE DRAGONS! Or somesuch.
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I do hope Nomura doesn't think dark means pointlessly depressed charecters, that would be quite annoying. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt however. Yes Advent Children was a pile of cack, but hopefully he'll redeem himself with this. I mean the visual style is already quite interesting (but please PLEASE change the protaginists outfit).

Back on the real-world-issues. I remember hearing about how the crystal is what (powers?) helps run his state and the other countries want the crystal and can't do much without it. Sort of reminds me of the whole oil situation. Maybe power is based off economic might? Rather than WE HAVE DRAGONS! Or somesuch.
What's wrong with his outfit?

Where did all the other crystals go anyway?
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I would love that. A villain that has power with just his words but not his sword.
I actually would like to see this. It would be a step in the right direction, in my opinion.

As for the whole Nomura saying this is going to be the darkest of the Final Fantasies, coming from the guy who made Final Fantasy X-2, that's not actually so convincing. But I wil be willing to give Versus a chance, though. It's looking pretty good so far, hopefully he doesn't screw this game up.

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Back on the real-world-issues. I remember hearing about how the crystal is what (powers?) helps run his state and the other countries want the crystal and can't do much without it. Sort of reminds me of the whole oil situation. Maybe power is based off economic might? Rather than WE HAVE DRAGONS! Or somesuch.
Possible, but not probable, in my opinion. Although the whole crystals powering/protecting the cities/countries sounds a bit like Crystal Chronicles.
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Old Aug 08 2007, 03:54 AM   #13
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I hope this game won't be too "Realistic". It's Final FANTASY for crying out loud. I play video games to escape the real world. Reality sucks...
Oh well I'll just have to wait and see.
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What's wrong with his outfit?

His outfit is basically AC Cloud. Its kind of boring.


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Possible, but not probable, in my opinion. Although the whole crystals powering/protecting the cities/countries sounds a bit like Crystal Chronicles.
I remember them saying something about how the surrounding lands want the crystal because thats what helps thier state be so advanced.
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Nomura had nothing to do with FFX-2 other then art, his main project was the Kingdom Hearts series
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Nomura had nothing to do with FFX-2 other then art, his main project was the Kingdom Hearts series
Which was excellent. I hope that they have a political villain, that would be very interesting. I hope the one thing they try and make more realistic is the battles.

At the end of the game, if you have to fight the political villain, then it would be an easy fight because he would have used his words and not his sword. So, they would have to come up with some other final boss.
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At the end of the game, if you have to fight the political villain, then it would be an easy fight because he would have used his words and not his sword. So, they would have to come up with some other final boss.
They could make him affected by something or posessed. I've seen such way in many other games
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Well I'm sure she, he or indeed they would either be able to fight themselves or have generals and such to fight for them, which would probably make more sense come to think of it.
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Well I'm sure she, he or indeed they would either be able to fight themselves or have generals and such to fight for them, which would probably make more sense come to think of it.
Even Rufus was able to fight for himself.

The political villain could be controlling some sort of super villain, then once you kill that, he either runs away. commits suicide at the reality he lost everything, or the main player kills him afterwards. :\
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Even Rufus was able to fight for himself.

The political villain could be controlling some sort of super villain, then once you kill that, he either runs away. commits suicide at the reality he lost everything, or the main player kills him afterwards. :\
I kinda like the idea of Generals and mercs fighting for him. Then you could see him die in a kick ass cutscene.
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