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Holy Crap, my idea for a debate forum got approved
This argument has been going on for years and it never ceases to die. And pobably never will.
Anyway, post on here if you think the Man upstairs exists or not.
I believe in God because this world must have came from somewhere right? Its obvious that only he would make the world and for us able to run, grab stuff, hear stuff, and see things.
I belive that God exists. But then again things have been proven from Science that some things that God has done is not true. However, there has been things that proves that things God is believed to have done is true. One example is the Big Bang Theory.
Somewhere in this book it is proven that it can happen. Just skip down to Chapter 19 and go to the paragraph where they talk about recreating the Big Bang theory.
I guess...Don't get me wrong I love talking about this but at the same I don't want people to feel like I'm telling them that I'm right and they're wrong. These kinds of conversations never went good for me.
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I dont believe in god. Im not going to go into massive detail but I just dont believe in him. I don't think there can be something that powerful to make a whole existance. To me, there isn't enough proof.
Im not against religion or anything, but it does my head in when people try and convince me to believe in their religion. Without offending anyone, I do think parts of religions like Jehova's Witness is pretty stupid like not believing blood transfusions, even in an emergency. Stuff like that.
Edit: Tempus, I dont think people are going to start flamming here so ill leave this open since alot of people will probably want to give opinions and discuss. If it gets out of hand i'll sort it out.
I guess...Don't get me wrong I love talking about this but at the same I don't want people to feel like I'm telling them that I'm right and they're wrong. These kinds of conversations never went good for me.
Yeah. I guess you just have to watch what you say. But see some people have to understand that everyone has an opinion. I belive in both the ways of God and Science. So there are no arguments there.....I hope.
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Originally Posted by Dante
it does my head in when people try and convince me to believe in their religion..
Yeah that can get annoying sometimes.
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Last edited by Lucrecia; May 20 2007 at 09:05 PM..
Nah, not really. There isn't any proof that god exists, but there is proof that he doesn't. Personally, I think that God is hope that has gotten out of hand. Something that people created to keep hope alive, or support their ideas and such. For example, there might've been some guy who was really terrorfied of sex and so started preaching about how according to god sex was taboo, which makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, if we stop having sex, all life would cease to exist in a couple of years. In other words, if that were true, then god's purpose would be to kill us off, thus making him our enemy. I know that the "sex is taboo" thing isn't really in effect anymore though.
Many other things that the Old Testament deemed imoral and sinful are natural. So either God is involved in some sorta strange love/hate relationship with us, or he doesn't exist.
I don't think this really is a debate, nothing to debate over, its mainly views and opinions on peoples belief in the existance of a greater being.
o__________o (what i just typed sounded creepy in my head)
I can't really say in the existance of god, i am christian but in the existance of god i cannot be sure either way, science and religeon collides, im being told the scientific facts of the earth in Biology, where-as in Religeous Ed, im being told of the Ten commandments and the life God depicted us.
It's constant contradiction between the two so i preety much stay in the middle on my belief in god.
At the point i did loose my Nan and Grandad i did end up becoming quite stuck into christianity because i always thought i felt them with me and that god had sent them to help me through the rest of my life.
But when i was approuched with Scientific vaules of the earths birth or the "big bang" i began to doubt Gods existance and the creation of the universe.
I know i'll never be sure about this topic because its a constant ongoing religeous and scientific battle.
Edit: Tempus, I dont think people are going to start flamming here so ill leave this open since alot of people will probably want to give opinions and discuss. If it gets out of hand i'll sort it out.
Alright...I'll go with it.
We've had these kinds of discussions at school alot...it's like, religion is supposed to be banned from school but we talk about it anyways...People were talking about it in algebra once and I was listening...I think the main girl that was talking wasn't the right person to answer the questions the others were throwing out...She made it sound so convicting when she said that "sinners go to hell and you have to believe in God to go to heaven." That's not entirely it. She never acts Christian, and I know I have no say in whether she actually is or not cause I'm not God, but from her additude and everything she wasn't the right person to be talking. Most kids are pretenders at school.
Edit: Sorry, forgot to give the point of the story.
The point is that when people tell the salvation that Christ offers it is more important that those people hear the story rather than make them feel like they're the worthless sinners going to hell. If they turn down salvation that's their choice. You can't do anything about it because it's not you saving them. So when people talk like "I'm a Christian so I'm better than you damned sinners" then they're heart may be in the right place but it's not going to do them any good.
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Not exactly Ragnarok. If you generalize most non-believers into the category "They've never really tried to be drawn to Him" that's not gunna do anything. You actually do have to consider their primal knowledge of Christianity and their religious status in the first place...it's different for each person though...
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Yeah, most people's religion is heavily based on the environment they grew up in. My parents were non-religious, as am I, but I did learn a bit about god and the bible, but still chose not to believe it.
Yeah, most people's religion is heavily based on the environment they grew up in. My parents were non-religious, as am I, but I did learn a bit about god and the bible, but still chose not to believe it.
Yeah, same. My grandma is a little, I think but not overly. Goes to Church at christmas and stuff but not like, every Sunday or anything like that. Other than that, no one is in my family really.
I've recently graduated in university, in pharmacy, so for me the human being is just a big amount of cells working together, the feelings are just neuronal function in certain brain areas, and so on. I'm no saying that god doesn't exist, so please read to the end and try to understand me.
I don't believe in miracles cause a patogen don't act diferently if you are a good person or not, same for genetic diceases and all. So the point is, even if God exists he sure doesn't control our lives.
But what is God after all? I strongly don't believe there's a being with power to create things and judge our acts. But if you see God as a Power, some sort of existence that rules the world so it MAY be. I believe in science, but as a scientist i know there's a lot of things we don't know, especially in astronomy and cosmic things, etc (*side note: poor explanation cause of my poor english).
Going on, i think religion and the belief that god is a being that judge us is just a way to escape from the scary things in life, from the fear of death and all, a way for the humans get strengh to keep living. Just think how would you feel (the ones who believe in god with no doubt) if you learned that God doesn't exist and that you are alone....
Religion and God as its teached is a human creation, for sure, so nobody can say its God fault that something bad happened, its just fault of the humans that use the beliefs of people to their own interests. Don't forget the using of "gods" to manipulate people in ancient times and the Vaticano is the most political and hipocrit organization in the world.
Finally i'll end the post: I don't follow any religion, but i think that people that follow one aren't wrong. In the end what makes this worlds a better place isn't what we believe in but what we do, and if religion is a way to tell you to be a good guy i think its a great thing. Now you can start throwing stones at me hehehehe.
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I've recently graduated in university, in pharmacy, so for me the human being is just a big amount of cells working together, the feelings are just neuronal function in certain brain areas, and so on. I'm no saying that god doesn't exist, so please read to the end and try to understand me.
I don't believe in miracles cause a patogen don't act diferently if you are a good person or not, same for genetic diceases and all. So the point is, even if God exists he sure doesn't control our lives.
But what is God after all? I strongly don't believe there's a being with power to create things and judge our acts. But if you see God as a Power, some sort of existence that rules the world so it MAY be. I believe in science, but as a scientist i know there's a lot of things we don't know, especially in astronomy and cosmic things, etc (*side note: poor explanation cause of my poor english).
Going on, i think religion and the belief that god is a being that judge us is just a way to escape from the scary things in life, from the fear of death and all, a way for the humans get strengh to keep living. Just think how would you feel (the ones who believe in god with no doubt) if you learned that God doesn't exist and that you are alone....
Religion and God as its teached is a human creation, for sure, so nobody can say its God fault that something bad happened, its just fault of the humans that use the beliefs of people to their own interests. Don't forget the using of "gods" to manipulate people in ancient times and the Vaticano is the most political and hipocrit organization in the world.
Finally i'll end the post: I don't follow any religion, but i think that people that follow one aren't wrong. In the end what makes this worlds a better place isn't what we believe in but what we do, and if religion is a way to tell you to be a good guy i think its a great thing. Now you can start throwing stones at me hehehehe.
Does God Exist ?
Edit: Sorry, forgot to give the point of the story.
