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As I've expressed elsewhere, they need to STFU already about the FFVII Remake. It says a lot about Squenix's decline over recent years when they keep making headlines about games they're NOT going to make.
Read that article too, It's a shame. It would probably give them the revenue they most likely need at this moment in time. FF7 remake would sell just by it's name alone. But if they did get it wrong, They have the potential to kill the whole franchise as FF7 currently has legendary status.
Hell, I'd even take another movie. Give us something, assholes!
You really think SE NEEDS more money right now?
Even with the FFXIV flop they are making huge bucks...
Yes, I do. They aren't making huge bucks. In fact, the end of the 2011 fiscal year they had losses of 12 billion yen (£94 million). This year so far they made a net profit of 6 billion yen (£47 million), Hardly huge bucks to a major games company, Considering that's about the amount it takes to create a game these days.
The profit came mostly from 2 games, Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Final Fantasy 13-2.
Just a FYI, Capcom and Konami seem to be doing a bit better.
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I know that people hate SE and always talk shit about SE
but that should not lead you to believe that SE is failing as a company,business wise.
I don't hate SE, in fact I love them. I would hardly be on this site if I hated them... Come on now, behave yourself.
Going a bit off topic, So Wada, Make the damn Remake.
You do know that those are only the results of the gaming division right?
They publish anything from manga to anime to toys.
Last time i checked the company was doing very,very well and had a large profit.
And yes Japanese in general are doing very bad right now.
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Square posted a net gain of ¥127 million , up from 2011's ¥125 million. They also seen total assets take an upswing in 2012 to ¥213 million, up from 2011's ¥206 million, nearly a 4.1 percent increase in year-end total
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Yoichi Wada, President and Representative Director commented in the fiscal results, saying...
"During the fiscal year ended March 31, 2012, the Group's results were favorable due to increased sales of console games boosted by our major titles, DEUS EX: HUMAN REVOLUTION (North America, Europe and Japan, in order of release) and FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 (Japan, North America and Europe, ditto), as well as continued expansion of content from growth areas such as the web and smartphones.
In the fiscal year ended March 31, 2012, we continued our efforts aimed at increasing profitability, including establishing best practices for the content in said growth areas, improving quality of our major online game, and strengthening our global structure. We are accelerating the reformation to generate a substantial earnings improvement in the fiscal year ending March 31, 2013 and beyond."
You do know that those are only the results of the gaming division right?
They publish anything from manga to anime to toys.
You do know that Square Enix Holdings Co. Ltd. is the entire company, right? And that the figures you posted are from the last financial year? And that I'm actually talking about Q1 of the current financial year (April 1 - June 30)? And that they posted a net loss of just over 2 billion yen?
It's one quarter, it was a barren quarter. I mean, they published Quantum Conundrum and Risen 2, I don't think either of those did too well, but without knowing how much Square Enix spent on them, it's hard to draw any conclusion. Maybe that information is out there, but I personally don't know to what capacity Square Enix funded those titles beyond getting them onto the market.
Sleeping Dogs seems like it might do well, KH3D just came out. Those two together might be able to spin something good for Square Enix's Q2 earnings. Hitman: Absolution, I don't know if that will do anything special for Q3. I actually don't think that will do too well. It comes out a week after Black Ops 2, people don't necessarily seem that excited over it. TOMB RAIDER. Q4. LET'S PUT OUR MONEY ON THAT.
I think this FY will relatively flat for them. They've got social games and the amusement sector for Japan. I wouldn't worry unless the loss gets bigger each quarter and they do not turn a profit for even just one of them, and if they don't seem to have a plan for post-Tomb Raider, for the next FY. You look at what's coming after Tomb Raider, there is fucking nothing there.
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[20th January 09:05:11] Aurelia I don't speak diva. I speak human being.
You do know that Square Enix Holdings Co. Ltd. is the entire company, right? And that the figures you posted are from the last financial year? And that I'm actually talking about Q1 of the current financial year (April 1 - June 30)? And that they posted a net loss of just over 2 billion yen?
Well then,it seems i was wrong and you were right,please accept my apology.
Based on many articles around the web,i was under the impression that square did very well,but since your source is unmistakable it was probably me,not getting something right while reading the articles.
Also Sleeping dogs is being heavily advertised/hyped,so that might bring some money in.
Hitman has a bit of a fanbase,so if its any good i would expect some decent sales from that too.
Speaking of remakes, since it will be FFVII's 15th anniversary and Tabata will be present, do you think they'll announce a remake for Before Crisis on the handheld? I remember in 2010 Tabata expressed interest in remaking it. It's the only FFVII Compilation title that had interested me but it was only announced for the mobile. JAPAN ONRY.
I would lean more towards not, but it wouldn't really blow my mind if it happened. If they did, it would either be mobile or 3DS, probably 3DS just to get that $40 price tag on it, or however much retail 3DS games cost. I don't think the amount of work they would be willing to do would suit the Vita, I don't think they would enough to justify it. That machine is, so very unfortunately, not looking good. I mean, if anyone will support the Vita, it would be Square Enix, but not for that. I reckon it'd still be sprites on 2D backgrounds. An enhanced port, I think would be more likely than a remake.
But even back then, I don't remember people wanting it and if they did, it wasn't necessarily because it seemed like a good game. It was because they wanted it released outside of Japan on principle or because it had FFVII's name on it. I don't think any want for that game existed for its own merits and I don't think too many people would give a shit about any Final Fantasy VII game that wasn't a Final Fantasy VII remake.
I would not be surprised if they continue to focus on Eidos. Eidos for consoles, Japan studios for handhelds. I think that might be the dichotomy for the next few years. Just Cause 3, a new Deus Ex are two new announcements I expect within the next 12 months. I think that even if Tomb Raider performs averagely, they would fairly happily go with that again. I think there will be more Sleeping Dogs. There is a lot of good press around that game. The worst I've seen from consumers is general indifference - "Another open-world crime game, whatever."
Final Fantasy XV is coming for Durangorbis (and maybe PC, who knows), it's just a matter of when. I think that could mark a major change in Final Fantasy following that game. The first step would probably be to get an Eidos studio on it or Square Enix Montreal. I don't think there's enough hardcore fans left to get angry about that idea for them to take pause over it. Just give them the title, say "Make your Final Fantasy game. Temporary retirement of the brand is a possibility, but I think FFXV would have to be an abject failure for that to actually come close to happening.
Oh, and if Versus is coming, it will - it should, it's a fucking disgrace if it doesn't - come out next year. I want to say September for Japan and maybe November/December/as late as January for NA/EU and it will be on PS3 and 360, possibly Wii U because this isn't 2006 any more and we need to sit down be realistic.
Those are my key predictions. The good thing about predictions is that I might be way off base, but they're just predictions, so it doesn't fucking matter.
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You don't think that their Japanese fan base would object to any of that? I understand that NA and EU make up a significant market, but if there's one habit I've seen from S-E it's taking care of their Japanese market before considering NA and EU. It seems to me that Japan has been consistent in their rejection of a lot of Western products, as well. The 360 was dead on arrival there, for instance. It can't be denied that developers are doing more these days to appeal to Western audiences. There's evidence for it everywhere. But I have my doubts that they'd take this huge of a leap with their core franchise this soon in the game. After all, S-E is anything but quick and decisive.
I certainly don't have confidence in Eidos making a Final Fantasy game that I'd have any interest in, but I may be that core fanbase you were talking about that's going the way of the dinosaurs. They did do that Agni's Philosophy tech demo that had several Western elements and developers attached to it, but I found the visual direction disappointingly bland at best. I'm not saying my opinion invalidates your predictions, but I am saying that it's a movement I hope S-E does not make. I don't think it will work well for them, or at the very least it will alienate me and my sort. I expect certain things from a Final Fantasy, and I don't think Western developers are ready yet to deliver. Then again, even if the game wasn't what I want from a Final Fantasy, maybe it at least wouldn't suck.
On the topic of Before Crisis, I'm one of those guys that would be very interested in a remake. I'm interested in just about every aspect of the VII universe, particularly where storyline is involved. I enjoyed Advent Children, in all of its over the top fanservice porn, and I found DoC's story interesting even where much else in the game was lacking. However, I've got to agree with you on the likelihood of it getting any full remake. The 3DS would be the only handheld I could see them picking- the Vita doesn't seem to have taken off AND it seems to be too technically impressive to make really cheap games on it- and honestly the 3DS doesn't have the capability that I'd like to see in a VII game. Like to see, not expect to see.
Add to this that while Before Crisis has some fanservicey cameos, it doesn't have iconic VII faces driving the plot. As I understand it you get a team of new Turks you've heard nothing about before and they serve as your playable characters for the game. This is in strong contrast to the full game Crisis Core, which had Zack Fair, Sephiroth and Cloud's faces pushing it and the iconic buster sword featured on all of its art. Even Dirge of Cerberus had Vincent's likeness, with its cast of new characters.
So as much as I'd like to see it, I'm not sure it's in the cards. A couple contrary points might be that Crisis Core actually sold really really well, particularly for a PSP title, and that S-E seems well aware that even Western audiences have an unending appetite for anything FFVII.
I'll say it's a very SE thing to remake a years' old mobile game for Western release before even confirming one (a release that is) for Type-0. I hope it doesn't happen, but their business strategy - in a level of detail beyond 'make lots of money real fast forever - is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, wrapped in Japan-insanity.
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You don't think that their Japanese fan base would object to any of that? I understand that NA and EU make up a significant market, but if there's one habit I've seen from S-E it's taking care of their Japanese market before considering NA and EU. It seems to me that Japan has been consistent in their rejection of a lot of Western products, as well. The 360 was dead on arrival there, for instance. It can't be denied that developers are doing more these days to appeal to Western audiences. There's evidence for it everywhere. But I have my doubts that they'd take this huge of a leap with their core franchise this soon in the game. After all, S-E is anything but quick and decisive.
Well that's the thing, Square Enix is seeing the Japanese industry and market just languishing and they've been working on strengthening their western sector for the past couple of years, it's going well for them at the moment, unless Sleeping Dogs, Hitman and Tomb Raider all just bomb like no game has ever bombed before, they aren't going to stop. The next step is to bring their Japanese IPs into the fray. It wasn't necessarily a successful experiment, but they tried with Fortress.
I'm not saying that in two or three years, they'll announce that all Final Fantasy development will be shifting to their western studios, I'm saying that in five years, maybe, FFXVI will be a Square Enix Montreal joint, or a combined effort between Japanese and American/European/Canadian staff. Plus outsourcing, because they aren't interested in doing the grunt work in-house any more. I've seen people consider the idea of Eidos Montreal or whoever doing a Final Fantasy and there only tends to be objection from that rabid "NOOOO SACRILEGE JAPANESE DEVS ONLY SHITTY WESTERN RPGS EWWWW" that really seems that opposed to it. I've said it at least once, but they can't have that Japan first mentality if they want to expand on their success in western markets. It is just no longer viable.
But like I said, it depends on how the brand develops post-XV. I could see them deliberately forgoing numbers for a few years and getting their non-Japanese studios into it.
Besides, Japan has Dragon Quest.
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I certainly don't have confidence in Eidos making a Final Fantasy game that I'd have any interest in
I don't think the current direction of video games in Japan would get you a Final Fantasy game you want to play, either. Handheld and mobile/social/browser games.
Let me put it this way. Remember Sega? They used to make consoles. They used to make the machines that you played the games on. THQ is fighting its life. It is trying so hard that I want to see THQ existing in five years, because THQ deserves it. Sega, Sega just said "Fuck it, we can't do this any more." Sega is focusing on handhelds, mobile/social/browser gaming, they've shut down their European operations, they are maybe producing a retail console game once in a blue moon.
On a side note, if THQ does fold, I want Square Enix to buy Volition and Saints Row. Then you get the Saints Row guys to talk to the Just Cause guys. Imagine what would happen. Imagine that game.
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Sega are also making urinal games (thanks, Cracked!). This has made me think what the SE version would be like and I can only say that I'm quite upset that 63 million years of evolution has left me unable to play a potential Final Fantasy: Chocobo Stream.
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Let me put it this way. Remember Sega? They used to make consoles. They used to make the machines that you played the games on. THQ is fighting its life. It is trying so hard that I want to see THQ existing in five years, because THQ deserves it. Sega, Sega just said "Fuck it, we can't do this any more." Sega is focusing on handhelds, mobile/social/browser gaming, they've shut down their European operations, they are maybe producing a retail console game once in a blue moon.
I could have sworn a saw a few job postings online for Sega based in London...
Language testers or something?
Give us something, assholes!
