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 23:30:52
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23:30:37
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Although, to be honest, I do sometimes wish it would happen sooner rather than later.
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23:30:24
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I know. I just don't expect a crash.
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23:29:59
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I think you're being realistic. Although, they're often indistinguishable.
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23:29:37
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23:29:34
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I don't mean a "done forever" crash, I mean a "handy reboot" crash.
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23:29:14
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I don't think I'm being bleak. ;;
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23:28:47
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We'll see I suppose. I don't think things are quite so bleak.
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23:28:36
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But... sales have been down for months in the US, the UK is a joke and Europe is... I don't even know.
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23:27:58
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The sales get better year by year. The quality overall declines. I'll probably be done with games by the time I'm 30. I'll be content with playing older ones. And maybe keeping an eye on a few key franchises.
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23:27:58
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People aren't going to wait 5 years, if you are going to be what the monster chews on, you have to feed it.
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23:27:55
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However, the games the industry deems the "best" are generally the more viscerally engaging ones.
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23:27:13
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When TESVI sells 8 million in the first two weeks, I might be a little more receptive to the notion. But then to sustain it, they have to squeeze one out every year.
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23:27:02
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I feel like the games that people collectively spend the most time on right now are the "casual" games, lets say puzzles and the like. Perhaps purely because you don't need to invest that much time in it in one go.
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23:25:54
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I do think that the tastes of the general populace are expanding, though. A couple of total bros at my place of work were chattering like housewives about Dishonored, and a pure fantasy game like Skyrim can now be a bestseller.
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23:25:37
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Depends on your perspective, I suppose.
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23:24:57
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It gets better year by year.
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23:24:53
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But something has to be close at the peak or very early in the decline and I don't think there will be. I think the mainstream will move on before experimenting.
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23:24:44
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Pfft. This gen has been the best in the industry's history.
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23:24:08
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inb4 gaming industry needs a government bailout.
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23:23:50
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I'm not saying your thing could never and will never happen.
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23:23:24
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23:23:12
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Maybe not as Call of Duty, but as some other shooter.
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23:22:51
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There's our key difference, then. I think the Call of Duty appeal to your average Joe is so core that it will always be present and huge.
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23:22:51
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Call of Duty is officially at "too big to fail", in my opinion.
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23:22:24
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And when that happens, the industry will collectively shit itself.
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23:22:22
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Look at how much Skyrim solid.
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23:22:19
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Maybe there'll be a game that just revolves around assassinating people with a small hidden bla- oh wait... 
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23:22:17
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The future is full of iOS games. It's a bleak world.
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23:22:17
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Mass appeal is about simplicity and marketing.
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23:21:59
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Never enjoyed fighting or sports games.
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23:21:55
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I feel the casual audience is going to dry up and I believe the majority of CoD's playerbase will go with it.
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23:21:19
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But then again, people love sports and shooting people a lot more...
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23:21:00
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Although in that vein, I suppose fighting games should be bigger.
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23:20:43
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I don't believe games in general will lose their appeal. The sort of games we like may never be the most successful games, though.
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23:20:34
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You just need something else that is satisfying to play against people.
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23:20:10
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Yeah, I thought that's what you meant with the whole space disappearing thing.
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23:19:39
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23:19:38
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I guess the point is more about games in general losing their appeal.
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23:19:15
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23:19:08
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I wasn't ever saying that.
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23:18:50
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23:18:37
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I guess I don't share your belief that the shooter space will ever lose its appeal to the masses. It's such a basic and viscerally satisfying concept that requires so little to grasp and play.
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23:17:53
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The industry is suffocating under the influence of the few games that sell 10 million+.
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23:16:32
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Those kids playing CoD are going to grow up, get jobs, start families. They might not move anywhere. The space won't just empty, it may very well cease to exist.
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23:16:26
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If CoD suddenly disappears, people will shrug and play some more Halo. I don't think there will ever be a vacuum to fill as you suggest.
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23:15:50
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That's true. That's why both Halo and CoD are selling gobs in the same space.
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23:15:16
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There is no rule saying that there HAS to be that one big thing.
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23:14:50
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And I don't think the CoD fanbase has the patience to watch it slowly decline before finding the next big shooter.
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23:13:52
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CoD is an esport. It's such a basic thing that I don't think it can fail unless there's someone else being more attractive.
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23:13:27
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It won't come out of nowhere. It'll be a franchises that arises, does well and then eventually takes the spotlight off of CoD.
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23:13:14
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Because it's only once Call of Duty fails that there's any reason to try something else.
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23:13:12
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23:13:11
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Perhaps something will be (relatively) slowly gaining popularity whilst CoD goes into decline.
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23:12:54
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NBA games sell fairly well.
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23:12:41
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I don't think a juggernaut will rise out of nowhere, much like Shannon says.
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23:12:17
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I think CoD and all its ilk will go down before something else comes up, yes.
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23:12:03
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Because noone cares about MLB stuff.
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23:11:39
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I dunno, are NBA games a thing?
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23:11:34
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23:11:27
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Do you really think so? I think there will at that time already be in place a huge franchise that tons of people are playing.
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23:11:16
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My typing is just awful lately.
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23:11:05
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23:10:24
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CoD will already be going down before you can begin to predict The Next One.
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23:10:09
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Don't forgot Madden. Of course, only America care. But still.
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23:09:45
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I'm saying that nothing is going to magically spring up and sell 10 million copies in a couple of weeks.
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23:09:32
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That's basically what I think too. It's just that shooters have such a broad appeal and reach such a wide market by their very structure that the most popular shooter will probably also be the highest-selling game.
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23:09:03
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23:08:50
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Part of that's because 343i haven't quite nailed the formula like Bungie have. They improved it in several ways, but didn't capture the perfect arena-style '30 seconds of fun' from the trilogy.
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23:08:38
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The reason that CoD is still going is the same reason that the FIFA and PES franchises have new installments every year.
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23:08:19
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I'm not saying things don't come and go.
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23:07:27
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I think people just like shooters, to be honest.
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23:07:18
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As Connor mentioned, it's already happened before with the esports juggernaut that is Halo. Halo can't be said to be failing by any stretch of the imagination, but it's no longer the top dog.
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23:06:35
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Maybe over-ambitious, but if anyone can pull it off it's Bungie.
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23:06:29
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Well fads like Call of Duty always seem to die when people get bored and move on to the next big thing.
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23:06:09
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If only because companies are bleeding themselves dry to get to CoD's current level.
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23:05:39
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Destiny has serious potential.
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23:05:30
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I would sooner guess contraction across the entire industry. Your faith is strong, bearded one.
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23:04:33
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Call of Duty's decline will probably come when something else eclipses it, is what I figure.
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23:04:30
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Maybe Medal of Honour will make a comeback.
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23:04:06
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MW2's the best. Terrific campaign, great online. It peaked there.
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23:03:39
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Haven't played Black Ops 2.
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23:03:34
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I didn't care too much for MW3 (strong campaign though) but I enjoyed all the previous ones.
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23:02:51
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It's a great arcade twitch shooter.
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23:02:32
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Personally, the market is far too fickle for me to want to make that kind of judgement.
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23:02:28
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I haven't played any shooter as smooth as CoD.
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23:02:03
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I enjoyed WWII CoD. And the original Modern Warfare.
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23:02:00
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When/if CoD crashes and burns, I don't think it's right to assume that something will immediately usurp it and be the same sales powerhouse.
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23:01:30
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It's a good shooter, but most shooters are the same these days. The only thing that changes is what you're shooting at.
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23:00:45
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I think CoD's a great game to be honest, the only problem is that if you've played one you've played them all.
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23:00:15
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Nah, they'll find another shooter. For the Xbox kids it used to be Halo, now it's CoD.
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23:00:07
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23:00:00
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22:59:31
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22:59:20
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Unless they decide that they don't care about video games any more.
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22:57:10
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I disagree. I don't think people who exclusively play CoD will do anything but MAYBE migrate to another shooter when CoD declines, and those that play other games have room to be impressed.
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22:57:01
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22:56:16
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Just you wait. CoD: Ghosts will be a breath of fresh air.
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22:55:58
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I don't think there's anything to be done until the series is in a clear and steep decline for at least a few years.
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22:54:48
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The mainstream won't care.
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