Elements or Magic Types in FFXIII Revealed

[NeoLightning]

During the video of the demo while data showed the monster are the types of spells or Elements in FFXIII

http://i25.tinypic.com/2k0jye.jpg


The elements:

Fire
Ice
Thundar
Water
Wind
Earth

and the monster has resistance to magic and physical attacks

[SORA HEART]

the first one is Fire ---- ice ----- thundar-------- water ----- don't know maybe (dark) ---- def --- atk ---- mage.

i think <___<

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

Fire, Ice, Lightning, Water, Holy, Wind, Darkness, probably. Not in that specific order, but I don't see there being any different/other ones.

[NeoLightning]

Talking to a Japanese friend who knows me has answered the question

The elements are ordered from top to bottom

The elements:

Fire
Ice
Thundar
Water
Wind
Earth

and the monster has resistance to magic and physical attacks

[Sekai]

good find!

[Falsate]

The usual I suppose? Ruinga is considered non elemental right? Says so on the xbox360 demo at e3 09. What will that fall under though since it is Magic?

[hume57]

i thought ruinga was firaga... just that it was translated wrong...

[Falsate]

No, ruinga is a non elemental spell. Watch the E3 09 Xbox360 demonstration and look at the top where it says help. It gives a brief description.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-final-fantasy/49972

[Zuraith]

No, ruinga is a non elemental spell. Watch the E3 09 Xbox360 demonstration and look at the top where it says help. It gives a brief description.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-final-fantasy/49972
Yeah Ruin and Ruinga look like fire and firaga but Ruin is a non elemental spell.
Final Fantasy only have 1 and 3 magic huh?

[Falsate]

Well, they took out the second tier as far as we can tell right now. Since they have the ATB Bar and no MP, might as well just have weakest and strongest.

[Ahmadhelld]

Talking to a Japanese friend who knows me has answered the question

The elements are ordered from top to bottom

The elements:

Fire
Ice
Thundar
Water
Wind
Earth

and the monster has resistance to magic and physical attacks

Are you sure of this?

[Neoraxis]

isnt magic tied with the summon? odin's elements is? maybe ruinga is non-element or maybe its really fire (so sazh also use fire since he have ifrit).

[Nex]

^That's possible.

I don't think they've taken out the 'ra's. Ruin/Blizaard/Fire all take 1 action, while Ruinga/Blizzaga and Firaga take 3 actions. So........

[Falsate]

Well, we all know how many bars they consume.

It's just I thought it would add extra to the whole menu throwing in the Second Tier and mainly the fact you could just target all using the third tier ('aga'). Nobody wants to wait that long in the game to get the third tier though, so they might just have the 'ra'.

Do you think they'll have a Fourth tier, being the hardest game and all? 'aja'?
Blizzaja, Firaja, Thundaja..

[blackwisard5]

Yay more info

Maybe the ra's will become a part of a role, like a mage or something. I personally think they revealed the ga's early in the demo so that we can get the feeling of the game and that you actually have to become a different paradigm to use those magics while the basic one is also available in attack paradigm (i hope this makes sense)

[Falsate]

Make sense to me. Like if there were 3 types of Magic Roles, you could choose different ones that gave specific actions.

[john tora volta]

Fire- ifrit- sazh
Ice- shiva snow
Thundar odin lighting
Water Siren　 hope　
Wind Carbuncle vanille
Earth titan wild-tatoo lady


holy ???? serah
non bahamurt ?????

[The_Geoff]

Titan..?
Where did you get this info?

[Thula]

Is not an info he is speculating.

[Falsate]

It's rather obvious, but yeah. I wonder which new summons will be in the game.

[Death Penalty]

Thanks for that info, I was actually just wondering about this myself! If this corresponds to the summons at all, it will be neat to see a wind element summon again.

I could really go for some Alexander though... sigh.

[blackwisard5]

The magic may correspond with the summons, but we always see lightning (whos summon is odin) using fire magic and you would expect Sazh to have fire magic (because his summon is Ifrit)

Also i think that if there is a mage paradigm, its effects are gonna be different from the magic in the attack paradigm. I think this because in the first demo the magic always filled the chain bar (but did not always brek them) but in the premier party demo, the attackers magic only partially filled the bar (like a normal attack in the previous demo)

[Death Penalty]

The magic may correspond with the summons, but we always see lightning (whos summon is odin) using fire magic and you would expect Sazh to have fire magic (because his summon is Ifrit)

Also i think that if there is a mage paradigm, its effects are gonna be different from the magic in the attack paradigm. I think this because in the first demo the magic always filled the chain bar (but did not always brek them) but in the premier party demo, the attackers magic only partially filled the bar (like a normal attack in the previous demo)

Actually, I believe that Lightning is using a new spell known as 'Ruin', a nonelemental attacking spell that would correspond very nicely with Odin, seeing as he too usually doesn't have an element.

[blackwisard5]

True that might happen. I guess we won't be sure until the game is released

[Death Penalty]

Probably bad to necro this thread, but does anyone notice that there are six listed elements and six characters revealed? If we assume that each of the Eidolons is going to correspond to an element, this could hint at their natures if not their identities.

Odin - Wind, Thunder
Brunhild - Fire
Bahamut - Nonelemental (Perhaps Wind if Odin is mainly Thunder?)
Shiva - Ice

That means that, theoretically, we have room left for an earth Eidolon and a water Eidolon. The two that jump into my mind are Titan and Leviathan. Unfortunately, the lack of a holy element means that Alexander probably won't be showing up as a combat summon, if at all... Sad.

[P R I S M]

If there's no Alexander I'll be sad. But they don't usually leave out spells like Holy/Flare/Ultima/Comet and such so at least a couple of those will still be in there right? At least I'd imagine Holy wouldn't be tossed out. I've seen that spell used since FF8.

[Garland]

Yeah it makes sense for all of them to have their own elemental attack, but this isn't really news, is it?

Lightning: Thunder
Snow: Ice
Sazh: Fire
Fang: Wind. Bahamut indicates this, especially in Driving Mode.
Vanille: Earth. Since there's going to be something going on with her and Fang the opposing element thing makes sense...sorta. So Titan or Fenrir.
Hope: Since Siren's been blown out of the water, it leaves only Leviathan, really, unless they bring back Bismarck or have another new summon.

What will be interesting to see it will it be water <=> lightning fire<=> ice like in FFX or something else.

[P R I S M]

I find it strange how Vanille and Hope's summons haven't been shown yet. I think they're probably going to be brand new summons, even though I'd love to have Leviathan be the water summon. I just can't see Brunhilde being the only new one.

[Death Penalty]

Yeah it makes sense for all of them to have their own elemental attack, but this isn't really news, is it?

Lightning: Thunder
Snow: Ice
Sazh: Fire
Fang: Wind. Bahamut indicates this, especially in Driving Mode.
Vanille: Earth. Since there's going to be something going on with her and Fang the opposing element thing makes sense...sorta. So Titan or Fenrir.
Hope: Since Siren's been blown out of the water, it leaves only Leviathan, really, unless they bring back Bismarck or have another new summon.

What will be interesting to see it will it be water <=> lightning fire<=> ice like in FFX or something else.

I have to wonder about your list. Odin definitely utilizes thunder, but he also very clearly utilizes wind, so I still think Bahamut has a possibility of coming up nonelemental. The only attack I've seen him doing is a laser beam that doesn't look very windy to me, but we'll see about that later.

The actual elements aren't news, I suppose, just the fact that there are two elements that haven't been covered and two characters without summons. It's food for thought.

[Garland]

It's possible that each summon may be able to utilise other elemental properties. For example, if you're right about Odin using wind. However, that isn't to say that each summon won't have an elemental property such as lightning, earth, etc.

[azziana-azmy]

Why not if all of them manipulate 2 or 3 elements if they want to use spells or whatever it is... Since Final Fantasy VIII had used Junction system and also the characters can draw spells from their enemies, they even could use any elementary spells and even non-elementary spells, like Apocalypse and Ultima.

[Falsate]

After reading this page, who really cares what element the Summons are? The point of this thread was to outline the elements in the game. Like I said before, I expect all the elements to reappear and it doesn't matter how they manifest themselves into the game. o.o

[Death Penalty]

After reading this page, who really cares what element the Summons are? The point of this thread was to outline the elements in the game. Like I said before, I expect all the elements to reappear and it doesn't matter how they manifest themselves into the game. o.o

Eh, I didn't see the need to speculate further on the significance of the elements present in this game in a whole brand new thread of my own design. Since this was on observation based on the revealed elements, I thought it fit here rather nicely. And, if you hadn't guessed, their elements could actually point to their identities. Snow's ice-based summon is Shiva, after all. Then again, Sazh's fire-based summon is a valkyrie and not Ifrit, so the elements still without a representative Eidolon could also mean nothing at all.

[Falsate]

Actually, I would be fascinated if you did (though you'd probably be bombarded). If you were to make one though, it should be broad instead of focusing on just elements (could cover aspects such as Summon backgrounds and influences).

Sometimes (mind you, not all the time), people's speculations are well thought out and are interesting. I'm still glad to see elements such as Water because the animation for that always made me thirsty lmao.

[Death Penalty]

Actually, I would be fascinated if you did (though you'd probably be bombarded). If you were to make one though, it should be broad instead of focusing on just elements (could cover aspects such as Summon backgrounds and influences).

Sometimes (mind you, not all the time), people's speculations are well thought out and are interesting. I'm still glad to see elements such as a Water because the animation for that always made me thirsty lmao.

I really appreciate the sentiments, but you're right, threads based purely on speculation aren't very well received around these parts, much less I think one made by me.

Well, then again, I'm not really here to impress.

[Garland]

I think speculation can get out of hand sometimes only when people make sweeping statements when there's clearly information out there which disproves their idea before they even post it eg. "I rekn dat da sumn 4 Vanilla is lyk totly carbunkle, we lyk saw him years ago."
I reckon Death Penalty made a great point with each summon representing each element in the game.

[ptd]

What will be interesting to see it will it be water <=> lightning fire<=> ice like in FFX or something else.

It will probably use the 6-point elemental wheel like in FFXI.

Fire melts ice,
ice freezes wind,
wind erodes earth,
earth absorbs lightning,
lightning boils water,
and water extinguishes fire.

Light and Darkness oppose each other.

[Death Penalty]

It will probably use the 6-point elemental wheel like in FFXI.

Fire melts ice,
ice freezes wind,
wind erodes earth,
earth absorbs lightning,
lightning boils water,
and water extinguishes fire.

Light and Darkness oppose each other.

It seems like from the picture of the enemy that each enemy can have specific resistances and weaknesses to any of the given elements, which might completely rid us of the need for a rock paper scissors sort of deal with the elements.

Barring that, this up here could definitely be it.

[Falsate]

Should have just used Black for darkness (so cool) :aldo:. I wonder if they have been thinking about a new element?

Ehhh..it's been a long time unless they have mapped out every type of element possible. The element wheel will never get anything new at tis rate. Booo...