Weapons

[Noctis113]

Did u guys notice in final fantasy versus xiii's trailer the dks3713 one if u look at the end of the table the two last people sitting across from one another right before the middle guys shows up those two have weapons in ther hands similar to noctis

[Pinkicexox>Mrs.Caelum]

what where did u see that ?!?

[Kurai Warrior]

yeah, I see what your talking about, I really don't know what that is. I can't tell if it is a weapon or not.

[lauryrg]

Indeed, the truth I had not set. What a sight!

[Naunen]

Someone screencap this thing he mentions.

[trace]

its at 3.26 in the trailerfile:///C:/Users/James%20Ta/Pictures/Untitled.jpg

[LOL]

Interesting find there. It's really hard to tell though what they really are and if they are or are not weapons.

[Naunen]

Then I expect the head honcho would have bodyguards. They're the closest to him. We don't know a chronological order of these events at all so this could be before Noctis goes to kick some ass. I don't think they're just weapons that look just like them. You'd think the guards would be issued the same weapon.

Who knows? :awesome: The old man probably used to use those weapons in his prime. He probably just wants some trusted people to hold onto them or something. :awesome:

They're weapons all right.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f345/Kamoohiyazada/Storage/FFVsXIII/Table.jpg

Too lazy to take a better pic.

[doeman]

ya know it's weird, i was watching the dks trailer last week and noticed a couple new things i had never seen before O.o
i watched most of the video frame by frame and these are the things i came across.

- 1:55 - noctis uses his sword as seen in all the other pictures. (the one in my avatar.) i thought this was the weapon he used throughout the whole trailer... but i was wrong.

- 1:58 - summons an Axe.

- 2:00 - summons a Trident AND an Assault Rifle/Machine Gun.

- 2:03 - summons a weapon that has a blade on BOTH ends.

- 2:05 - ^using that same weapon, he sticks it in between a soldiers arm and his gun in a weird position so that he could control where it was aiming. what i didn't notice, was that the soldiers arm snapped at the elbow... in the opposite direction... >.<
personally that part caught me off guard. i didn't know v13 would be so brutal. there's also that scene where he snaps the guys neck with his legs, but meh.. the arm had more of an affect on me.

- 3:00 - the amount of weapons noctis summons is double... no... triple the amount of weapons he summons in the beginning of the fight against the soldiers outside of his estate (or where ever he was staying). in the dks trailer, you can't get a good screen of the first time he summoned all the weapons atop the steps. you'd have to check the previous trailers (like the first one).

- 3:01 - using yet another sword!

- 3:13 - there is a monitor/screen in the dashboard of the car. i remember there being an interview with tetsuya saying that the map system would be "unique". someone in the forums said something about GPS. i thought that was stupid but... maybe it's not so dumb after seeing that monitor/screen.. who knows what it is and if it's actually something that we'll be able to interact with.

- 3:23 - the "body guards" at the table with the cool weapons. i never noticed this until i came here.

- 4:04 - chick is summoning something that looks like a Rapier?

- 4:36 - ffv13 logo pops up. behind the womans sleeping head, there lies something that resembles the sun. v13 will have day/night cycles, so maybe the time of day will have some kind of significant meaning to the story? to the left of the "sun", lies 2 creatures. no clue. there's also a dragon lookin thing in the bottom left corner. no clue either. oh, and the girl has wings. yup, no clue. that's all up for speculation to me.

Cloud trailer - 1:18 - noctis has the ability to teleport right (or so we assume)? well... in this specific scene, you can see noctis "teleporting" to his sword that he threw against a building. he doesn't necessarily disappear and reappear. if you frame by frame the vid, you'll see that he fades out so we can only see his silhouette. then, he travels at an amazing speed where, when he reappears, his body looks white-ish. to be nitpicky, he doesn't disappear completely. the definition of teleport is,
"transport by dematerializing at one point and assembling at another"
then again, maybe this was just a way of giving the player an idea of where he is moving.

[cheesepizza]

Wow doeman.... thats detailed. If gameplay is like that trailer... ahhhh...... *happy*

And as for the dudes with the spear and sword, chances are they are Old Man's bodyguards hmm? I mean they sit right next to him on either side. They are "like a mafia"... so... er...

And I didn't notice the soldier's arm snapping when he shoved his sword under his pit! Awesome.... violence :awesome:

I just realised doeman... our username and user title colours are kind of reciprocal ._. I thought the colouring scheme looked familiar when I tried it heh...

[doeman]

reciprocal? you mean reversed? i'm red and orange. you're pale blue and white. am i misunderstanding what you meant or did you change your colors?

[cheesepizza]

wow.... my colours disappeared.... coz I uploaded a sig? I really don't get this site still........... where are my colours D: D: D:

On topic: Violence :awesome:

[doeman]

yes, violence indeed. i've said this on another thread, but i could careless for an M rated game. seeing that arm snapping scene only pushed my curiosity to see how far tetsuya would go in terms of violence. i kind of want to see him take it to the limit now.

[cheesepizza]

Mmmm so do I =w= They know that people respond well to blood now... =w=

O look my colours are back :D

[doeman]

final fantasy meets god of war.

[1nOnly]

thats one hell of a sight (or i'm just partial blind).. and here i thought i was a Versus fanboy:cookie:

[cheesepizza]

Heres hoping they release this game in japan end of next year =3=

Since XIII is kind of the main one.... kind of.... they could take many liberties with Versus? Blood mmmmm

[doeman]

..wat? you mean like a gunblade?

[cheesepizza]

Wha yea like a gunblade (I think I editted over my other post... but yea SLOW IN REALISING THINGS DX...........)

I always always thought it was a swivel gunblade... even when you talked about the snapping elbow and the gun I didn't think it was the SOLDIER'S gun *sigh* if i manage to pass half my exams with this brain I'll be so happy...............

Speaking of which I should be studying now

Only just rewatched the trailer carefully.... as in pausing almost every second..... =w= otherwise I'd still go on thinking it was his gunblade thing GAH

Well purposeful limb breaking, then using said limb to kill the limb owner's own buddies = good stuff

[doeman]

too bad you won't be able to do something like that ingame.

[cheesepizza]

Let's hope SE can prove you wrong on that one

[doeman]

wha?!!? isn't snapping someone's limbs an automatic M rated game? SE can't do...
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wait wait wait a minute here.. i just realized something. snapping necks, snapping limbs.. has ANY game under an M rating done that before?!?!?! because if not................. then we might have our first--- ooooh! i'm too excited to say it!

[cheesepizza]

If Versus can deliver it... oooo =w= Trailer shows violence... if game doesn't then the trailer was poof

[epsilon]

I rewatch the trailer, and indeed find out lot of new things as mentioned.... The two weapons that was held by the 2 person, did look similar to what Noctis is wielding... I guess the two person must be of high status since they seat near to the important person who some presume to be the king.

and the elbow that crack in the other angle..... really surprising. I rewatch twice before i catch it. Really look painful....

I think the trailer is really good. There is lot of details in it.

[doeman]

yea, i analyzed it as best as i could. i wonder if there are more stuff to be found :ohmy:

[Ikkin]

wha?!!? isn't snapping someone's limbs an automatic M rated game? SE can't do...
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wait wait wait a minute here.. i just realized something. snapping necks, snapping limbs.. has ANY game under an M rating done that before?!?!?! because if not................. then we might have our first--- ooooh! i'm too excited to say it!

I think Uncharted might have done neck snapping in hand-to-hand combat...?

Still not convinced that Noct completely reversed that soldier's elbow, though. It doesn't make any anatomic sense, and the move looks more like Noct pinned his arm behind his back in one of those painful holds. Might have taken his shoulder out of socket, but that's a bit less shocking. =P

[cheesepizza]

No he definitely reversed the elbow (coming from someone who knows anatomy and watched it many times since its mention... if you look at how it's bent... no way in hell was it twisted... and from Noctis' movement... more likely a straight snap back... just look at the hand and how it holds the gun and how Nocti's sword was shoved under his pit, hilt hooked to the soldier's wrist and then swivelled from flat horizon to 90 degrees... why the hell am I typing this? Gotta study). And judging by the soldier going HAERGSFGASAAAAAAARGH (even though we can't hear it, we see it), that would be the case.... great pain =w=

[chaosblade77]

I noticed that the guy on the right seems to have a halberd or something quite a while ago. There's really nowhere to even begin guessing at their significance, assuming they are important at all.

Of all the scenes in the trailer though, I liked that one just because it really showed how good SquareEnix's CG team is (well, the character models in that scene weren't really anything special, the room was though).

[Ikkin]

No he definitely reversed the elbow (coming from someone who knows anatomy and watched it many times since its mention... if you look at how it's bent... no way in hell was it twisted... and from Noctis' movement... more likely a straight snap back... just look at the hand and how it holds the gun and how Nocti's sword was shoved under his pit, hilt hooked to the soldier's wrist and then swivelled from flat horizon to 90 degrees... why the hell am I typing this? Gotta study). And judging by the soldier going HAERGSFGASAAAAAAARGH (even though we can't hear it, we see it), that would be the case.... great pain =w=

No, I paid attention to Noct's movement, and it wouldn't make any sense at all for the move that he did to snap the guy's elbow.

The thing is, when the sword's horizontal, it'd just be pushing his wrist back. Since the wrist goes behind him underneath the arm, the elbow would rotate rather than snap - but there'd be massive amounts of stress put on the shoulder. Think about it this way - if you tried to see how far back your arm would go on its own, the thing that would stop you would be your shoulder, not your elbow.

Not to mention that doing the kind of catastrophic damage required to reverse an elbow entirely should slow Noct down, and would probably do a lot of really nasty visual damage that isn't there.

In any case, I'm pretty sure that something is off anatomically regardless of what they were going for, probably because you can't exactly motion-capture something like that. =P

[cheesepizza]

Not everything has to be mocapped =w= And something IS anatomically off :O His elbow is bent back! Seriously! Look at how the gun is held when Nocte is aiming it off. It's the right arm right? but the thumb is on the bottom and the back of the hand faces the outside. Looks pretty reversed to me from that scene alone. If you watch carefully you will see all Nocte did was swivel his sword from horizontal to vertical.... Kinda why I thought he swivelled a gun out... till doeman pointed out the *snap*...

Also, he's a cold bastard in that sequence :wtf: what he did makes perfect sense:

Looky soldier man shooting at me fom up front! Looky soldier dudes shooting at me from behind! O I know I'll *snap* his gun back in one movement (coz I can) and shoot the bastards shooting at my back and hide behind this guy :wtf:

And there was a giant splatter of blood and legxneck neck-breaking. This kind of thing seems to fit in well.

[Ikkin]

Not everything has to be mocapped =w= And something IS anatomically off :O His elbow is bent back! Seriously! Look at how the gun is held when Nocte is aiming it off. It's the right arm right? but the thumb is on the bottom and the back of the hand faces the outside. Looks pretty reversed to me from that scene alone. If you watch carefully you will see all Nocte did was swivel his sword from horizontal to vertical.... Kinda why I thought he swivelled a gun out... till doeman pointed out the *snap*...

When I said "anatomically off," I meant "considering what happens in the sequence." And no, not everything has to be mocapped, but when you have something that's hard to visualize and impossible to mocap, things could start to go wrong, y'know?

Look closely again, though - his shoulder definitely isn't right either - it's way too far forward. And, like I said, that would account for the reversing, too. There's ways of getting the elbow to face in the opposite direction without destroying the entire structure of the arm.

[doeman]

this is so dumb

[cheesepizza]

I give up on you...........

So :O Who thinks his weapons will fuse together into something =w= Something that's not a wall

[doeman]

whatta ya mean "wall"?

[cheesepizza]

Barrier/wall thing ._.

[doeman]

oh. no. and i doubt that you'll be able to shield yourself with the swords like that. that was probably just another cgi move that won't be doable in the real game. on the topic of guarding yourself, i wonder if it'll be kh style. i hope not, because i wasn't fond of the way sora used "guard".

he raises the keyblade up for 1 second and puts it back down. sure it's more challenging because you have to time your blocks, button really, who the hell does that? if i want to block, let me hold it up as long as i like.

if the developers didn't want people holding the guard button constantly, they would've programmed the game to initiate a "guard break" if you get hit too many times, followed by a temporary stun effect. simple. but no, they went for the 1 second guard technique. phail.

[cheesepizza]

They promised us good battle graphics and mechanics for XIII, Versus better get the same treatment... that is... implement those CG-special-moves!

[doeman]

"promised". promises are meant to be broken.

[cheesepizza]

*sigh* With SE.... that seems to be the case D: Well Nomura seems ot have lot's of ideas... just hope the tech team can make it all happen.

[Kurai Warrior]

I just hope we get to see it sometime in the next decade. :aldo:

[doeman]

i'm still pissed off at the first e3 trailer. that battle scene made it look like lightning was flippin and floppin all over the place. it was only recently that i noticed half of the scenes were cutscenes integrated into the battle. took me 3 years to notice.

but, that was my fault so i can't really be pissed at them. can you blame me though?? i bet there were hundreds or thousands of people who thought the battles would be that epic.

psh, "trying to mimic fight scenes from advent children" my ass.

[cheesepizza]

Yea I know D: God when I saw that trailer I was just in Oh-my-god.-.-. mode. The cinematics interactivity and graphics were awesome. But I suppose we should judge XIII when it comes out and we play the rest of the 60% they said we didn't see... Hoping it's more to do with the flipping and smashing walls than how to maximise TP ._.

On that note, we haven't even seen screens of battle let alone KNOW what the system is like but hopefully, being an action RPG of sorts, it will impress us.

[doeman]

yes, we have seen battle scenes for v13. you never saw this?

http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/media/scans/cloudmessage/19hq.jpg

look at the pictures in the bottom half. in-game photos, some which are most likely taken place during battle based on the way noctis is holding his sword(s).

[Devegas]

they could've at least given us something else now that numora is fully devoted to ffv13. i mean glasses guy, shotgun guy, and scar guy, are gonna need some names at least

[Ikkin]

I give up on you...........

So :O Who thinks his weapons will fuse together into something =w= Something that's not a wall

Sorry about that. ^^; I just kind of prefer to think that Nomura's following his normal rule that doing graphic and terrible things to the enemies isn't as important as making a visual impression. One can get away with a lot more doing that, anyway, like burning villains alive in a Disney game. ;)

As for the weapons fusing together, maybe they could turn into a motorcycle? It might be a bit too much like XIII, but it'd kind of make sense since Noct's main sword has a motorcycle engine.


Hoping it's more to do with the flipping and smashing walls than how to maximise TP ._.

I'd imagine that maximizing TP would also involve making the fighting as flashy as can be anyway. ;)

[doeman]

As for the weapons fusing together, maybe they could turn into a motorcycle? It might be a bit too much like XIII, but it'd kind of make sense since Noct's main sword has a motorcycle engine.
a weapon turn into a MOTORCYCLE?? what kinda wacky shit is that? the idea of creatures transforming into something else has been done before, but your speculating that a.......... -weapon-....... could turn into a motorcycle.

what in the hell.

even if the sword has an engine on it, i definitely, 100% don't see that happening. maybe it's used to charge magic attacks.

[Sodedicated]

i'm still pissed off at the first e3 trailer. that battle scene made it look like lightning was flippin and floppin all over the place. it was only recently that i noticed half of the scenes were cutscenes integrated into the battle. took me 3 years to notice.

but, that was my fault so i can't really be pissed at them. can you blame me though?? i bet there were hundreds or thousands of people who thought the battles would be that epic.

psh, "trying to mimic fight scenes from advent children" my ass.

LMAO, the power of excessive expectation

If they made every battle scene epic it would quickly lose it's luster

There's no point in having too much of a good thing

[The_Steve]

a weapon turn into a MOTORCYCLE?? what kinda wacky shit is that? the idea of creatures transforming into something else has been done before, but your speculating that a.......... -weapon-....... could turn into a motorcycle.

what in the hell.

even if the sword has an engine on it, i definitely, 100% don't see that happening. maybe it's used to charge magic attacks.


Original transformers TV show.
Megatron can turn into a gun.
(Robot=Vehicle - Gun=weapon)

[Sodedicated]

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb134/motufan1/Etc/megatron.gif

[meteor]

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb134/motufan1/Etc/megatron.gif


Damn thats pretty LAME :awesome:
Megatron can turn into a wii gun :awesome:
The power is ours!!!:awesome:

[Ikkin]

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb134/motufan1/Etc/megatron.gif

I like how the robot's different metal parts have to change shape to transform into the gun. XD

[meteor]

I like how the robot's different metal parts have to change shape to transform into the gun. XD

Yeah and whats the point of a handgun?:awesome:

[Devegas]

the gun thing was really useless wasn't it? cuz all he can do shoot and has no real maneuvering as a gun. and besides he already had like fifty weapons on him am i right?

[doeman]

bravo. a machine who's meant to transform into multiple things. i guess that confirms the SWORD can become a MOTORCYCLE.[/conversation]

[Ikkin]

the gun thing was really useless wasn't it? cuz all he can do shoot and has no real maneuvering as a gun. and besides he already had like fifty weapons on him am i right?

Maybe it's a smaller robot, and the bigger ones use its weapon form on each other?

Robots shooting each other with handguns is still pretty silly, though. xD

[The_Steve]

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb134/motufan1/Etc/megatron.gif

I just felt like quoting you cuz the gif is so damn AWESOME!!!!

[Jaggerjack]

I just hope we get to see it sometime in the next decade. :aldo:
Keep dreaming
we will have the guys names by 2015, and gameplay by 2030, by that time sony will have ps3.5 and microsoft xbox 1080 so they will have to re-do de whole game and gets delayed till 2050 :cookie:

:wtf:

Also wada will still be leading SE :aldo:

[cheesepizza]

Ah I remember the days of Beast Wars, when Optimus turned into a Gorilla. Now it's the other way round apparently.

And Nomura has a motorcycle fetish. I wouldn't be surprised (or mind) if the swords fused into a motorcycle. That could be the theme for FNC...?

And pictures or no, we still know zilch about Versus' battle system (I have seen those pics). Although it says Noct -> summon weapon lalala~~

[doeman]

the sword...............................
WILL NOT.............
turn into a motorcycle.......................................

[Sodedicated]

Maybe it's a smaller robot, and the bigger ones use its weapon form on each other?

Robots shooting each other with handguns is still pretty silly, though. xD

The robots could change their size along with their form

Mega for instance could become small enough to fit in another robot's hand

You also had another change from a giant robot into an average-sized walkman