summons?

[Twilight]

This is a subject that has yet (if ever) to be brought up by Nomura it seems. Do you think Summons will have a place in FFversusXIII? If this game is a template of sorts to the next KH project I guess the possibilities of a summon system could work like KHI&II

anyway your thoughts on the subject? :D

[Pulse]

To be perfectly honest, I dont think there will actually be summons in FFVXIII, which is gutting. However, I do think there will be something in its place... sort of similair to quickenings in FFXII.

I really want there to be summons in FFVXIII, but I dont think that there will be :(

Josh

[Kitmitsu]

Summons hadn't really crossed my mind in Versus. I suppose it is a big possibility they could make an apperance. I'm gonna kick myself for comparing it to Dirge of Cerberus but that did include Vincent changing into Gallian Beast and thats another spinoff but that was more of an attack boost than a supporting summon. I can imagine there being some sort of limit breaks or an ability similar to either devil trigger or bullet time but I have no idea about Summons. Let's hope though :)

[Wind]

Its possible theyll pull a ff12 on us with the summons as ships. If not that then a particular item or place (maybe the weapons are named after the summons??).

Still with the eye changing bid, we only saw a glimpse of it. So it is possible that the changing of the eyes is a beginning of a full transformation or berserking (at least later on in the game).

We still dont know the other major characters, so it is also possible the summons may come as:

Enemies
Allies
Other.

[Firewolf]

what about magic spells will they be in the game

[Pulse]

what about magic spells will they be in the game

Nobody actually knows about FFVXIII as yet because nothing has been released from SE, however... FFXIII itself has had alot of magic spells released. But until SE tell us more.. we have nothing to answer that question except major speculation and hope.. lol

Josh

[Flint]

I'd like there to be summons in the game, but only if they are of any actual use. I don't want it to be like Kingdom Hearts 2 where the summons were of no real merit or importance. Most of them I only used once just to see what the animation looked like, I could get through 99% of the battles just using regular attacks.

I would hope that the battle system in Versus is a lot more technical and strategic rather than the 'mash the X button' simplicity of KH2.

[Twilight]

I would hope that the battle system in Versus is a lot more technical and strategic rather than the 'mash the X button' simplicity of KH2.

I know what you mean, at the end of the day KHII really did stick with the X button to do most of the combos, though square could be occasionally used i realized but little difference unless you wanted to counter.

For both FFvsXIII and the next KH I hope they put further thought into the strategy of the battle system

A leaf could be taken out of DMC system, where timing adds variety to what you character performs.

I can imagine the Classic Summons (Shiva, Ifrit, Bahamut) if not used, will just appear as names of objects or aircrafts. If they do decide to add them in, perhaps use them in the sense that they're aren't just an animation, but they actually follow your movements in battle and aid in attacks. I guess something like FFXII

[Passion]

I'd like there to be summons in the game, but only if they are of any actual use. I don't want it to be like Kingdom Hearts 2 where the summons were of no real merit or importance. Most of them I only used once just to see what the animation looked like, I could get through 99% of the battles just using regular attacks.

I would hope that the battle system in Versus is a lot more technical and strategic rather than the 'mash the X button' simplicity of KH2.

I have to agree with 100% of everything you said there. =) I like Summons really being part of everything like they were in VIII, X and XII. Also. Have to say that if VXIII were to use Summons I think it'd be really cool if they called them Guardian Forces again and possibly had a new batch of summons - similar to how FFXII did. The reason for this being that they could then leave the traditional summons to XIII. Like for instance Shiva which we've seen.

[Flint]

I have to agree with 100% of everything you said there. =)

Thanks very much!:) . I enjoyed KH2 but the entire battle system was a bit lacking, overall. Hopefully Versus will be a big improvement!

Have to say that if VXIII were to use Summons I think it'd be really cool if they called them Guardian Forces again and possibly had a new batch of summons - similar to how FFXII did.

Yeah, I'd like to see all-new summons too. I like how FFXIII is using the existing summons in new ways (the Shiva/motorbike thing for example), but it would be nice if Versus could use original creations - I want to be surprised by things I've never seen before rather than thinking 'oh look, it's Ifrit again', or whatever.

[Pulse]

BAHAMUT! ALL THE WAY IN FFVERSUSXIII! LOL

Josh

[Sorrow]

Versus 13 does not need summons because gameplay is different. In my opinion if they make an appearance it will be a great mistake.

[Wind]

Not necessarily, a good fight between the summons would be a blast. If anyone has played FFXI and felt that adreline rush with the avatar battles you would know not only was it worth the experience but you got something out of it (and it doesnt have to be a summon, it can be a weapon for instance).

I would like to see how they are percieved in versus 13 rather than the normal 13. (It would also be cool if the ancient kings had the summon's name.)

[Pulse]

Flint you make a good point as always... fighting the summons would be awesome.. i love doing it in FF12. Was a real 'blast' because you felt then like you pwned them. I liked the battle against ifrit in ff aswell......... so maybe if they did something along those lines where the beast attacks the city and they have to stop it? I duno.. just as long as we get some summons in FFVERSUS13.

Josh

[Tzailor-muun]

Yeah, fighting the summons would be really cool. And i hope they are more "effective" to use in battle than in 12. Like, maybe you want to use them in some tough random battle or use them like everytime you meet a boss. That´s what i did in FFX and it was cool cause then you really wanted to power up your little beasties, apart from XII...

[Desi]

That´s what i did in FFX and it was cool cause then you really wanted to power up your little beasties, apart from XII...
It also was the most efficient way to battle bosses and made the game easy beyond belief. Summon > overdrive > dismiss > summon > overdrive > dismiss repeat till dead.

[Tzailor-muun]

Yeah you got a point there. Well then let´s hope they help alot but not too much? Like a mix between XII and X.

[Desi]

Yeah you got a point there. Well then let´s hope they help alot but not too much? Like a mix between XII and X.
Like in XI?

[Tzailor-muun]

Haha no. I meant that in FFXIII, the summons will be more usable and worth more than in XII but not overpowerly helpful like in X. Understand?

[_Versus_]

fighting the summons would be awesome..

Yeach this would be GREATE ! Shiva vs Odin or Bahamot vs Hades :D:D
There was very great ... Fighting summons :D

[Desi]

Haha no. I meant that in FFXIII, the summons will be more usable and worth more than in XII but not overpowerly helpful like in X. Understand?
Like in XI? Read your posts again and be a summoner in XI.


Yeach this would be GREATE ! Shiva vs Odin or Bahamot vs Hades
There was very great ... Fighting summons
I got the idea he was talking about fighting against them for the right to summon them. Like in most FF's.

I did enjoy the idea of puzzles to acquire them in X but I never really done them, just looked it up somewhere.

[Tzailor-muun]

Oh im sorry, i haven´t played XI. How do they work in XI?

[Desi]

Oh im sorry, i haven´t played XI. How do they work in XI?
You summon a Avatar (name of summons) for a small mp costs. While out the Avatar constantly drains your mana pool. You can command it to attack a selected target, it will attack whatever attacks you if you are in danger, order it to retreat, etc. Also it can perform to types of abilities called "Blood Pact's", offensive and defensive. These blood pacts have a timer of one minute per section and take a lot of magic to use. That is the basics of it.

Other pieces of information is an Avatar stats are based on the time and day of the week so they are stronger at certain days and weaker on others. That also affects their Blood Pacts.

So they are balanced to a point of being able to deal alot and take decent damage but constantly strains the summoner.

[Tzailor-muun]

That´s cool. Sounds better than XII.:)

[Wind]

Haha no. I meant that in FFXIII, the summons will be more usable and worth more than in XII but not overpowerly helpful like in X. Understand?

Sounds like youre going for a ffxi type of summon then? Because the only way there were overpowering is when the 2hr was released. You could control them in real time versus XII. Plus each avatar could do stuff the party members. So that right there adds more depth to them (since in other ff titles when a summon is out everyone else goes away).

[Kitmitsu]

I like how the FFXI system sounds. Seems pretty simple and better than XII. I wonder if they'll implement the whole "it transforms into a bike" thing into Versus if they do put summons in the game.

[Ultima Star]

Well...I don't think they're necessary..really^_^

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Hey who's complaining? The more the merrier! :)

[lathandien]

I know what you mean, at the end of the day KHII really did stick with the X button to do most of the combos, though square could be occasionally used i realized but little difference unless you wanted to counter.

For both FFvsXIII and the next KH I hope they put further thought into the strategy of the battle system

A leaf could be taken out of DMC system, where timing adds variety to what you character performs.

I can imagine the Classic Summons (Shiva, Ifrit, Bahamut) if not used, will just appear as names of objects or aircrafts. If they do decide to add them in, perhaps use them in the sense that they're aren't just an animation, but they actually follow your movements in battle and aid in attacks. I guess something like FFXII

i REALLY hope they dont add in summons. To me, they seemed worthless in KH2, and if this game is like KH2 and doesnt have random battles... then i would hope that we didn't get any, and if we did, then they would actually be of some kind of use. i think your right about the battle system, it could be more diverse, and I'm guessing since they have already made KH2, they know what they could do to make it better and harder. At least hopefully.

[Hitoshura]

i REALLY hope they dont add in summons. To me, they seemed worthless in KH2, and if this game is like KH2 and doesnt have random battles... then i would hope that we didn't get any, and if we did, then they would actually be of some kind of use. i think your right about the battle system, it could be more diverse, and I'm guessing since they have already made KH2, they know what they could do to make it better and harder. At least hopefully.

If they were to use summons, dont make it where they stay in the battle until a timer runs out. Just let them do their special attack then leave. BTW: The only useful summon in the KH games was Tinker Bell. :X

[OmiVersusXIV]

This is a subject that has yet (if ever) to be brought up by Nomura it seems. Do you think Summons will have a place in FFversusXIII? If this game is a template of sorts to the next KH project I guess the possibilities of a summon system could work like KHI&II

anyway your thoughts on the subject? :D

I think the only things he can summon are weapons like we've seen so far

[Terros]

Since from what I've seen the Princes power seems to someway linked with water, so I say bet on Leviathan being there.

[OmiVersusXIV]

Since from what I've seen the Princes power seems to someway linked with water, so I say bet on Leviathan being there.

yeah but who knows since Nomura said that this game is suppose to take place in the "real world"

[Miles]

the game will show us "reality" but fantasy too
so i say Ifrit , Shiva , Bahamut , Diablos .... omg o_o

[squrenixrulz2011]

I hope they have summons. To have Bahamut, Shiva, Ifrit, and some of the other would be nice. I think that if they do have summons that crystals would be used to summon them kind of like materia in FF VII. That would be sweet. Either that or they could have weapons named after them and they would have limit breakers similar to that summons kind of attack.

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[OmiVersusXIV]

I hope they have summons. To have Bahamut, Shiva, Ifrit, and some of the other would be nice. I think that if they do have summons that crystals would be used to summon them kind of like materia in FF VII. That would be sweet. Either that or they could have weapons named after them and they would have limit breakers similar to that summons kind of attack.

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yeah thats a great idea with the weapons being named after the aeons because I really dont think that summons will happen only weapons since its set in a real type world

[ThePrinceOfXIII]

I also think you can only summon weapons then they will have to make like 6 weapons for the six elements ( wind, water, fire, earth, holy, darkness)

ps. I think the red glow of his eyes when he takes out the engine sword is from the element fire

[Thimien]

well i think it will have summons, now that they have come up with the run and battle system from 11 to 12, i dont see why they would not do same for FFversus13.

i have no clue what they intend to do, but lets hope and wait for something cool.