If Nomura wants to make this better than FFXIII than why not call it FFXIV?

[GalvanizA]

Keep it a PS3 exclusive seeing as he's so zealous about it only being on Sony hardware but change the name already! The quicker the main series Roman numeral increases the better and I don't like all these compilation titles.

[Neal]

Who cares about the name?

[Kitmitsu]

Obviously because he doesn't want to make a turn-based RPG. The reason Versus is a spin off is because it's an action RPG.

[GalvanizA]

Obviously because he doesn't want to make a turn-based RPG. The reason Versus is a spin off is because it's an action RPG.

After FFXII got a number a point like that stands? I liked FFXII and even I know that was borderline Action RPG.

[Demon_of_light]

After FFXII got a number a point like that stands? I liked FFXII and even I know that was borderline Action RPG.

SE can't name games, just accept it, there using FF on all their decent games, and they aren't going to call it FFXIV because that would just be stupid considering their coming out so close together, it should have a totally different name, but since FF is the only thing SE can sell their whoring out the name

[GalvanizA]

SE can't name games, just accept it, there using FF on all their decent games, and they aren't going to call it FFXIV because that would just be stupid considering their coming out so close together, it should have a totally different name, but since FF is the only thing SE can sell their whoring out the name

Who cares if they are coming out like 6 months to 12 months apart?

After how long it took between FFXI and FFXII and now FFXII and FFXIII, getting two main series FF's in almost a year would be great.

[Demon_of_light]

Who cares if they are coming out like 6 months to 12 months apart?

After how long it took between FFXI and FFXII and now FFXII and FFXIII, getting two main series FF's in almost a year would be great.

only it isn't a main series, the main problem with it would be in versus your not going to have a party of controllable characters (and plz don't bring up FFXI...) and it's game play will be more like kh then any kind of turn based or even MMO style rpg

[GalvanizA]

only it isn't a main series, the main problem with it would be in versus your not going to have a party of controllable characters (and plz don't bring up FFXI...) and it's game play will be more like kh then any kind of turn based or even MMO style rpg

- The gameplay in KH is just like FFXII but without like time bar to fill to do commands.
- FFXI is online.

So with these two points in plus how FFXII played I don't see how Versus XIII being an Action RPG should prevent it from getting a number.

I mean it even has a connection to FFIV like FFXIII has to FFIII and FFXII did to FFII. Noctis has some evil in him like Cecil did in FFIV.

[Zezlar]

After FFXII got a number a point like that stands? I liked FFXII and even I know that was borderline Action RPG.

Final Fantasy XII deserved the number. It was different.

[Daemon]

Technically, GalvanizA, versusXIII does have a number - 13.
But that's besides the point - it is a side game because Square decide it should be. As pointed out, the main games have certian characteristics, which versus is lacking. Also, it is a sub-set of 13, being part of the FNC collection.

[Naunen]

Have you ever heard of the competition between the teams?

[Ascending Adonis]

Who cares?

I'd be more concerned that Nomura changes Noctis' hair personally.

Have you ever heard of the competition between the teams?

I think if Versus does very well we may see a mainstream FF follow its lead. Or at least, compilations will become par the course (although Nomura will not direct)

[Demon_of_light]

- The gameplay in KH is just like FFXII but without like time bar to fill to do commands.
- FFXI is online.

So with these two points in plus how FFXII played I don't see how Versus XIII being an Action RPG should prevent it from getting a number.

I mean it even has a connection to FFIV like FFXIII has to FFIII and FFXII did to FFII. Noctis has some evil in him like Cecil did in FFIV.

you never played kh have you, it wasn't even remotely the same

[Ascending Adonis]

Yeah, Kingdom Hearts battle system played like a successor to the Mana series. FFXII was just a free-roaming version of ATB. XII was not by any stripe an action game.

Demon of Light your avatar made me lol

[Yudus]

The reason is because it based off the same mythology as FFXIII, just set in a different universe. All 6 titles will be based off the same crystal mythology, therefore they are connected. Who knows, the 6th game could bring the previous 5 together some way. It is the mythology that makes it take the name.

Also, as someone else said, Nomura is allowed to be different with the gameplay, but not only the gameplay, but other things as well. Some are speculating blood and a mature rating, which is a not a FF norm. As a side story, Nomura has a more freedom compared to what he would have if it was the main series.

[Demon_of_light]

Yeah, Kingdom Hearts battle system played like a successor to the Mana series. FFXII was just a free-roaming version of ATB. XII was not by any stripe an action game.

Demon of Light your avatar made me lol

A mod changed it on me lol, I know someone didn't hack my account because then I would of had to relog in, fixed it though

[1nOnly]

Keep it a PS3 exclusive seeing as he's so zealous about it only being on Sony hardware but change the name already! The quicker the main series Roman numeral increases the better and I don't like all these compilation titles.
And why is it so that you think that Nomura is the one deciding the title of the game? He's still an employee of a company and his position is not directly to think of ways to better promote or sell a game/product

[Ikkin]

And why is it so that you think that Nomura is the one deciding the title of the game? He's still an employee of a company and his position is not directly to think of ways to better promote or sell a game/product

Nomura has an unusual amount of influence as far as Versus is concerned, so it wouldn't necessarily be impossible for him to be the one deciding what the game's title should be.

However, I'm pretty sure that if he did have that kind of control, he would have used it to avoid the FFXIV title rather than claim it for himself. After all, a good deal of the freedom that he enjoys with the development of Versus is due to the fact that he doesn't have to defer to common knowledge about mainstream appeal, which is something that could never happen if the game was given the name Final Fantasy XIV.

[Neal]

After FFXII got a number a point like that stands? I liked FFXII and even I know that was borderline Action RPG.
Wtf. It's turn based, it's not even close to an action RPG. Kingdom Hearts is an Action RPG, FFXII is not.


- The gameplay in KH is just like FFXII but without like time bar to fill to do commands.

LOL. You clearly haven't played KH then.

[chaosblade77]

After all, a good deal of the freedom that he enjoys with the development of Versus is due to the fact that he doesn't have to defer to common knowledge about mainstream appeal, which is something that could never happen if the game was given the name Final Fantasy XIV.
That's pretty much why I think it's not XIV. Nomura has mentioned at least once that some of the things in Versus couldn't/wouldn't work in a mainline Final Fantasy game.

And if I'm not mistaken, weren't some of the original plans for FFXII were changed since they didn't "meet the qualifications" for a mainline Final Fantasy game?

[Thunder]

Keep it a PS3 exclusive seeing as he's so zealous about it only being on Sony hardware but change the name already! The quicker the main series Roman numeral increases the better and I don't like all these compilation titles.
So you want versus to be the xiv because you dont like the titles? :wtf:
Also what about crystal mithology that links those games?

[Heaven's Cloud]

haha if Versus isn't out for like yr and a half after 13 then it would be acceptible to call it FF14, FF's used to be released every year.

[1nOnly]

Nomura has an unusual amount of influence as far as Versus is concerned, so it wouldn't necessarily be impossible for him to be the one deciding what the game's title should be.

However, I'm pretty sure that if he did have that kind of control, he would have used it to avoid the FFXIV title rather than claim it for himself. After all, a good deal of the freedom that he enjoys with the development of Versus is due to the fact that he doesn't have to defer to common knowledge about mainstream appeal, which is something that could never happen if the game was given the name Final Fantasy XIV.

How much freedom he may have as the game director on Versus I really dont think he had anything to do with the title..as big as SE is I'd think they have people to think of ways for them to make more money, and a game title is very important for promotions and such (although all they need is the FF in the title to sell)

I actually think that the whole Versus instead of XIV adds to the hype

[Vtks]

well, what nomura REALLY has to do, to make this game better than FFXIII, and better than most games, is develop, a bad ass game engine, that, if we really wants to accomplish that ACC-like battles IN-GAME that he said (was trying to do)

[King]

the big-wigs at SE want to make XIII a franchise, just like FFVII. That's why everything is happening in the same universe.

Plus, it's WAY to early to even start planning XIV - when 13 isn't even out yet.

Look at it this way: they struck it GOLD with FFVII.

They want to try to emulate their success with FFXIII, so they are trying alot harder to concentrate on the series. Why? 7 is a lucky number, however 13 is quite the opposite.

[1nOnly]

well, what nomura REALLY has to do, to make this game better than FFXIII, and better than most games, is develop, a bad ass game engine, that, if we really wants to accomplish that ACC-like battles IN-GAME that he said (was trying to do)
Both games use the same engine(CrystalFools lol) maybe they'll update/add on some features but nothing big is going to change(just speculating).. and two games with the same engine can look totally diffrent in quality, its just how good the devs are with it

[Ikkin]

And if I'm not mistaken, weren't some of the original plans for FFXII were changed since they didn't "meet the qualifications" for a mainline Final Fantasy game?

Yeah, Basch was going to be the main character originally, and he had a more appealing design. (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d71/kiraford/originalbaschartff6.jpg) Then the XII team got told that they needed a younger protagonist for mainstream appeal, so Vaan and Penelo got added in.

I'm wondering if that kind of intervention might have been necessary more because of FFXII's massive departures from the series' norm in other ways, though, since Lightning's about as far from "late-teen guy" as Basch is. XD


How much freedom he may have as the game director on Versus I really dont think he had anything to do with the title..as big as SE is I'd think they have people to think of ways for them to make more money, and a game title is very important for promotions and such (although all they need is the FF in the title to sell)

I actually think that the whole Versus instead of XIV adds to the hype

No, I'm pretty sure that the title is chosen by the director, at least when it's not a numbered game. Nomura's mentioned in interviews that he was the one who came up with the 358/2 Days subtitle for KH DS. He also mentioned that he suggested that TWEWY's title be all numbers, but that got shot down because it wasn't part of an existing series. xD

I wouldn't really be surprised if they asked Nomura whether he wanted to make FFXIV or a compilation game, and he decided on the compilation game because it would enable him to pull off his "opposed to the mainline tradition" idea. The title "Versus" almost certainly came from him, though, since he's the one explaining what it means.

[1nOnly]

^Well I understand that the title-suggestions a director have counts but I really dont know... why name it Versus XIII? but it doesnt really matter either way

[chocobosmoogles]

Hmm...when was it ever stated by the Nomura that he wanted to make Versus 'better' than the BIG XIII?

Anyway!! LMAO ::wtf::

I hardly doubt it.

[Thunder]

Hmm...when was it ever stated by the Nomura that he wanted to make Versus 'better' than the BIG XIII?

Anyway!! LMAO ::wtf::

I hardly doubt it.
Never.
But people believe in what they want to.

[Ascending Adonis]

It was in his most recent interview.

Apparently he doesn't want to "loose" so I assume the directors are trying to outdo each other in terms of quality

“We did a lighting test for the cityscape during noon and evening,” Nomura says. “It really gives a good impression — of a city right before your very eyes.” Things like the character’s actions are coming together bit by bit. And with Final Fantasy XIII getting a new trailer at E3, Nomura adds, “I don’t want to loose [to FFXIII ].” While Final Fantasy XIII has been announced for the Xbox 360 in the West, Final Fantasy Versus XIII has only been announced for the PLAYSTATION 3.

[GalvanizA]

you never played kh have you, it wasn't even remotely the same

It was.



You have free control over the party leader in both games (Sora in KH).
Other two are AI (Gambits can be put on the other two in FFXII).
The menu is in the same place in both games.
Enemies on the field and no random battles or battle transitions.

The only difference was the cast time in FFXII whenever you selected a command. If that wasn't there it would be a straight Action RPG just like KH but more realistic in terms of character animations and without the 7 hit mid-air combos.

Versus should get XIV. The connection between Noctis and Cecil of IV is not even funny. I can't think of the last partially evil lead charcater before Versus XIII since FFIV, in fact.

[Hynad]

What the hell are you talking about? Cecil wasn't even evil.

[GalvanizA]

What the hell are you talking about? Cecil wasn't even evil.

Neither is Noctis.

I refering to how Cecil was a Dark Knight by default till he became a Paladin and how Noctis is also a dark and brooding character.

[Demon_of_light]

It was.



You have free control over the party leader in both games (Sora in KH).
Other two are AI (Gambits can be put on the other two in FFXII).
The menu is in the same place in both games.
Enemies on the field and no random battles or battle transitions.

The only difference was the cast time in FFXII whenever you selected a command. If that wasn't there it would be a straight Action RPG just like KH but more realistic in terms of character animations and without the 7 hit mid-air combos.

Versus should get XIV. The connection between Noctis and Cecil of IV is not even funny. I can't think of the last partially evil lead charcater before Versus XIII since FFIV, in fact.
Similar on paper maybe, but playing not even close

[Neal]

You have free control over the party leader in both games (Sora in KH).
Other two are AI (Gambits can be put on the other two in FFXII).
The menu is in the same place in both games.
Enemies on the field and no random battles or battle transitions.

None of these points define an action RPG.

[1nOnly]

Why even compare them now before we have even seen any gameplay of Versus, and just because two games are in the same category doesnt make them so much alike

[Henry]

Never.
But people believe in what they want to.
They think too much.

[Demon_of_light]

Why even compare them now before we have even seen any gameplay of Versus, and just because two games are in the same category doesnt make them so much alike

Made by the same team, Sora used 3 keyblades in one form, this guy uses multiple weapons, it's gonna play similarly

[Neal]

Made by the same team, Sora used 3 keyblades in one form, this guy uses multiple weapons, it's gonna play similarly
How does that indicate gameplay?

Yuna uses guns and so does Dante so Devil May Cry is the same as FFX-2.

[Ascending Adonis]

Well Nomura has explicitly stated that the battle gameplay in Versus will be modeled after kingdom hearts. It won't be a carbon copy, but it will probably be similar enough to point out any parallels. It will be closer to the action based style of kh than the menu based style of FF, except for maybe items/magic, again patterned after kh.

I just hope battles don't devolve into button mashing marathon. Never really warmed up to the KH series in that respect. If Versus pulls this style off effectively, and the team applies what they've learned to the next kh, I'd be very interested.

[Demon_of_light]

How does that indicate gameplay?

Yuna uses guns and so does Dante so Devil May Cry is the same as FFX-2.

Same team making it, same genre, simliar weapon types, you are stupid aren't you

[Ikkin]

^Well I understand that the title-suggestions a director have counts but I really dont know... why name it Versus XIII? but it doesnt really matter either way

Let's let Nomura explain that. ^_^

The image naturally became such that “FFXIII” was light and “FFVersusXIII” was shadow. The story itself is not an opposite either, but by giving “FFVersusXIII” which is a stand alone story the title of “FFXIII” there is a danger there. On the other hand, when you see “FFVersusXIII” it doesn’t give an impression of a numbering title. “Versus” in Latin means “a change in direction”, while in English “Versus” would create the meaning of “to oppose”. That is the plan of this project.

And in any case, it's Nomura. He's got rather unusual ideas about what titles should be in the first place. ;)


I just hope battles don't devolve into button mashing marathon. Never really warmed up to the KH series in that respect. If Versus pulls this style off effectively, and the team applies what they've learned to the next kh, I'd be very interested.

Nomura's said that he wants to emulate the tension of third-person shooter games - and the most logical way to parse that for me is a focus on finding cover and choosing where to attack from without taking a ton of damage at once, since TPSes like cover mechanics and regenerating health. Of course, I'm just speculating, but something like that would be a lot different from button-mashing.

[Ascending Adonis]

Nomura's said that he wants to emulate the tension of third-person shooter games - and the most logical way to parse that for me is a focus on finding cover and choosing where to attack from without taking a ton of damage at once, since TPSes like cover mechanics and regenerating health. Of course, I'm just speculating, but something like that would be a lot different from button-mashing.

Actually what I thought he meant by that, given his goal for a "seamless" experience, was that you'd have to be far more aware of your surroundings in general, as you would be threatened from all quarters. So, say your in the midst of a battlefield: you could cast Fire on an enemy encampment far away while avoiding a sniper stationed in the distance. The tension would result on spontaneously adjusting your playstyle according to a variety of ever shifting conditions; the game would try to suprise you & keep you off guard.

Granted that isn't something particular to #rd person though. I could definitely see an element of cat & mouse through a cover system, but if that were the case it would be hard for me to predict what form the battles would take. I also think much of the 3rd person shooter talk is referencing presentation; the tension resulting from being in heated scenarios with enemies flying at you etc.

[Fenryr]

Made by the same team, Sora used 3 keyblades in one form, this guy uses multiple weapons, it's gonna play similarly

As I am an avid KH fan, I feel it neccesary to point out he never used 3 keyblades in any form. The most he ever used was two, which was the same in Valor, Master and Final. Limit form used one, wisdom form used one and anti-form used none. The only time he uses three keyblades, which is not known to most if not all european and american KH fans, is when he fights Roxas in KHII:FM+ in which if succesfully pulling off the dual stance reaction, he steals a keyblade from Roxas for a short time.

This however, is not a form, and most of all is never used outside of this.

[Neal]

Same team making it, same genre, simliar weapon types, you are stupid aren't you
Ugh. You're not understanding you dribbling fucktard. Just because the team is the same and you somehow think the weapons are the same it doesn't mean the gameplay will be.

I don't see the similarity between Sora using two swords, not three like Fenryr said, and using like 12 swords as Noctis does. Both use more than one at one point or another...? wow, great analysis there, you fucking idiot. That is nothing to do with the team.

[Konage]

The reason Versus is a spin off is because it's an action RPG.

It's not a spinoff.

[Ikkin]

I don't see the similarity between Sora using two swords, not three like Fenryr said, and using like 12 swords as Noctis does. Both use more than one at one point or another...?

Two swords and twelve swords don't really have that much in common, I agree... but, Sora's Final Form style is kind of similar to Noct's, since they both involve telekinetic weapons - example.

I doubt that Noct will control similarly to Final Form Sora, though, because Final Form is incredibly overpowered. XD

[DreamEater]

Keep it a PS3 exclusive seeing as he's so zealous about it only being on Sony hardware but change the name already! The quicker the main series Roman numeral increases the better and I don't like all these compilation titles.

Silly goose. This is Square Enix. They don't release consecutive FFs so close together. Don't expect FFXIV for another six years or so...

[Ascending Adonis]

Silly goose. This is Square Enix. They don't release consecutive FFs so close together. Don't expect FFXIV for another six years or so...

They used to.

I seriously think the compilation is a way for us not to have to wait another 6 years.

[chaosblade77]

Wasn't there a rumor about the FFXII team working on FFXIV? Of course it was just that - a rumor.

[GalvanizA]

Silly goose. This is Square Enix. They don't release consecutive FFs so close together. Don't expect FFXIV for another six years or so...

Bullshit.

Japanese release dates of past FF's:

FFIX - Summer 2000
FFX - Summer 2001
FFXI - Summer 2002

It's only when they started this whole spin-off and sequel crap that the dates became drawn out. To make it even more clear was that all three of the above games were announcd on the same day at an event called Square Milleniom Event.

Weren't FFXIII and Versus XIII also announced on the same day?

You see, SQEX can easily change Versus XIII to be called FFXIV (keep the logo though as it's badass) but they just don't want to as they believe this whole complitation bullshit will bring in more money. FAIL.

Wasn't there a rumor about the FFXII team working on FFXIV? Of course it was just that - a rumor.

Yeah, I remember that rumour but I hope it's not true as that team are such perfectionists that the game won't be out till the very end of this gen.

My expectation for this gen from SQEX is this:


FFXIII out on PS3 only in Japan in Q4 2009. Out Q1 2010 in USA and Europe on PS3/360.
Versus XIII changed to FFXIV and PS3 only Worldwide out in Q4 2010, simultaneous release.
FFXI team making FFXV which will be online and have the biggest job system in the series to date. Out on PS3/360/PC worldwide in 2011.
FFXII team making FFXVI which will the FF that pushes this gens hardware to the limits, like FFXII did to PS2. Out on PS3 only in Japan and PS3/360 in NA and Europe in 2012-2014 (5-7 years after the release of FFXII: International which came out in Japan in Summer 2007).


That what SQEX should be doing and if Sakaguchi was still in charge I'm sure that's what would be happening.

[dxgirly]

I guess we now know why this isn't called FFXIV. >____________>

[GalvanizA]

I guess we now know why this isn't called FFXIV. >____________>

That FFXIV stuff is a rumour and I doubt it's true as FFXIV is most likely the game being made by the FFXI team. The FFXII is probably making FFXV but that shouldn't be the case.

Versus XIII --> FFXIV
FFXI team project --> FFXV
FFXII team project --> FFXVI

EDIT: OMG! FFXIV is alive and by the FFXI team!

[Kitmitsu]

That FFXIV stuff is a rumour and I doubt it's true as FFXIV is most likely the game being made by the FFXI team. The FFXII is probably making FFXV but that shouldn't be the case.

Versus XIII --> FFXIV
FFXI team project --> FFXV
FFXII team project --> FFXVI

EDIT: OMG! FFXIV is alive and by the FFXI team!

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/Kitmitsu/1243969728710.jpg

[Jaiyonex]

Nevermind, I'm all late.

[Aurelia]

And that's the way the cookie crumbles. :cookie: I don't think there's a need to have this thread anymore now that FF14 has been announced.

[DreamEater]

Silly goose. This is Square Enix. They don't release consecutive FFs so close together. Don't expect FFXIV for another six years or so...

DAMN YOU SQUARE. MAKING ME HAVE TO EAT MY OWN WORDS.
BURN IN HELL.

[GalvanizA]

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/Kitmitsu/1243969728710.jpg

Yeah, I'm a on top of my SQEX game. I called FFXIV being made by the FFXI team way back.

I also called that the game would most likely being announced at this years E3 too. :D

[SUPER JAM]

Galvan...once you told me you will not make threads anymore.............

[GalvanizA]

Galvan...once you told me you will not make threads anymore.............

Yes I did but those were the crazy off-topic ones. I'm only making FF and SQEX related threads now. Please don't tell me even those are annoying you. :rolleyes:

[Naunen]

Galvan...once you told me you will not make threads anymore.............

Yes I did but those were the crazy off-topic ones. I'm only making FF and SQEX related threads now. Please don't tell me even those are annoying you. :rolleyes:

----....Duh.

[Whiplash]

Apart from the gender-bending thread, you only made crazy FF/SQEX related threads in the first place.