Nomura's lazyness & Cinematics.

[Vtks]

I know that all of us have watched at versus new cinematic trailers, and i know that you'll agree with me that they are awesome.
But not that much, because i just watched the whole ACC and at the end in the scene were cloud is in his motorcycle . . . well i was like OMFG, the graphics on that video were far more realistic than VS cinematics and even ACC itself
so why isn't nomura does more realistic cinematics?
becus honestly ffvs cinematics are shit compared with ACC's.

[Kurai Warrior]

I can pretty much guarantee that all the pre-rendered footage we have seen so far is super old. So I wouldn't use that for anything final.

[Aurelia]

Because the Advent Children team is different from the Versus team. :wtf: Also Nomura is not in charge of the cinematics. Stop blaming him for shit that's beyond his control.

[Devegas]

don't bother telling him anything. he just needs something to bitch about

[Demon_of_light]

Ones a movie designed to be viewed in theaters the other is a video game designed to be played on a tv... interesting very very interesting

[LOL]

Because the two are definitely supposed made by the same production in the same quality all by Nomura himself.

[Ikkin]

Because the Advent Children team is different from the Versus team. :wtf:

The Advent Children team is the Versus cinematic team. =P And, for the record, a lot of the things that team used in Versus were reused in ACC:

Nozue says that since FFVIIAC, the tools to make CG movie like this, especially for rendering and shading, have changed considerably. During production for FFVIIACC, he tried to incorporate as much as possible the techniques used in FF Versus XIII. This is especially true in the highway chase scenes.
Source (http://www.ps3hyper.com/news/nomura-co-on-ffviiacc-fabula-nova-crystallis-status/)

Now, the FF Versus clips that we've seen span all the way back to 2006, so they're not all going to be ACC quality. However, calling them lazy for it is unnecessary. =P

Besides, I'm not really convinced that the ending bit is CG, apart from Cloud himself (and his motorcycle), due to the fact that I don't understand why they'd make that look so much more realistic than the rest of the movie.

[Aurelia]

The Advent Children team is the Versus cinematic team. =P And, for the record, a lot of the things that team used in Versus were reused in ACC:


Source (http://www.ps3hyper.com/news/nomura-co-on-ffviiacc-fabula-nova-crystallis-status/)

Now, the FF Versus clips that we've seen span all the way back to 2006, so they're not all going to be ACC quality. However, calling them lazy for it is unnecessary. =P

Besides, I'm not really convinced that the ending bit is CG, apart from Cloud himself (and his motorcycle), due to the fact that I don't understand why they'd make that look so much more realistic than the rest of the movie.


Thank you for clearing that up for me.

I wouldn't know, but I think it's some kind of "LOOK WHAT WE CAN DO" sort of thing with the highway scene. Whatever floats their boat I guess. If they drew the scene out of crayon and magic markers fans would still eat it up like hotcakes.


As for the thread itself: Seriously stop bitching why something is more realistic than the other. Maybe it's because I have low standards to prevent massive disappoinment, but I really don't see the big deal with the cinematic difference.

[King]

As Ikkin said, only Cloud was CG. Everything else was real. It's a technique that's really popular in the IT schools.

Jokes on you, tah hahaha

[Aurelia]

As Ikkin said, only Cloud was CG. Everything else was real. It's a technique that's really popular in the IT schools.

Jokes on you, tah hahaha

I understood everything she said, fagolas. :cookie:

[Jay_Z]

The most likely reason is that one is a movie and the others are cinematics for a videogame. There was probably a larger designated budget for AC, so "Nomura" to add more detail. Also, like others have said, that last scene is real mixed with CG and that's why it looks so good.


A lot of people don't realize this but Nomura actually does everything related to video games for SquareEnix by himself. Everyone else that works there just comes in periodically to put more gel in his hair and touch up his eyeliner. So please Nomura, would you tighten up those graphics and stop being so lazy?

[Ikkin]

A lot of people don't realize this but Nomura actually does everything related to video games for SquareEnix by himself. Everyone else that works there just comes in periodically to put more gel in his hair and touch up his eyeliner. So please Nomura, would you tighten up those graphics and stop being so lazy?

Seriously? =O I always thought that Square-Enix games were produced by a giant magical crystal that they keep hidden in their building in Shinjuku. ;)

[King]

I understood everything she said, fagolas. :cookie:TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE

[ectorbrixx]

i'm tired of all this CG scenes i wanna see some ingame footage

[Devegas]

we'll be gettin it soon now go back to your box!!!!

[Jaggerjack]

i'm tired of all this CG scenes i wanna see some ingame footage

You can wait till 2050 when SE dicides to give some of that, and then by 2055 probably a release dae for another 15 years :cookie:

[S-r-ex]

When the time comes in 2070, SE announces that Versus is delayed indefinitely due to Nomura's lazyness, and finally in 3428, the game is canceled in order to transfer the budget to the highly anticipated FFXIV.

[SUPER JAM]

I know that all of us have watched at versus new cinematic trailers, and i know that you'll agree with me that they are awesome.
But not that much, because i just watched the whole ACC and at the end in the scene were cloud is in his motorcycle . . . well i was like OMFG, the graphics on that video were far more realistic than VS cinematics and even ACC itself
so why isn't nomura does more realistic cinematics?
becus honestly ffvs cinematics are shit compared with ACC's.

At the end which is the ending song and credit scene where Cloud's riding his motorcycle on the way of the green-field mountain, they went to take photo of this location in Hawaii , so this is why the graphic is very realistic cinemetic and that's why it looks natural. :)

[Vtks]

At the end which is the ending song and credit scene where Cloud's riding his motorcycle on the way of the green-field mountain, they went to take photo of this location in Hawaii , so this is why the graphic is very realistic cinemetic and that's why it looks natural. :)

it could be, but im still dissapointed with those, cinematics, ACC look even better

[SUPER JAM]

it could be, but im still dissapointed with those, cinematics, ACC look even better


Not "it could". But "it is". Just look carefully at the credit , there is the list of the names of Hawaii Location Staffs.They just took the picture at Hawaii. It bases on the real picture of the real location in order to make the realistic cinemetic graphics.

And it's hard for versus to take the picture by using the real location because the limit of time ........ finding the most suitable location that fits with game is very very tough task to do and it can be too waste of time and funds. And also when the characters which are made by CG mixed with the real picture of the cities , it looks odd....not corresponding.My thought:)

[1nOnly]

I'd care less about the CG, if i were to choose(which i dont lol) i'd like for them to just stop making those pretty CGI and push in more developement time and assets into tuning the in-game graphics.. it was cool back in the ps1 and ps2 days with CGI but now for me i'd like to see more impressive in-game stuff... i liked the CGI in LO because it wasnt so far ahead from the in-game quality

[Kurai Warrior]

Didn't Square-Enix say at some point that all the pre-rendered scenes were finished already? I don't know maybe I'm just imagining it..... (probably)
I really wish you would wait to see something up to date before you start bitching about how the graphics look worse then ACC. Footage from 2007 and earlier isn't really up to date is it :aldo:

[Demon_of_light]

Didn't Square-Enix say at some point that all the pre-rendered scenes were finished already? I don't know maybe I'm just imagining it.....
I really wish you would wait to see something up to date before you start bitching about how the graphics look worse then ACC. Footage from 2007 and earlier isn't really up to date is it :aldo:

not to mention you'd have to see it live on an HDTV

[Kurai Warrior]

Oh yeah because the videos have been compressed and are only available in 720p
So yeah you reeeeaaaally shouldn't be bitching :aldo:

[Vtks]

Not "it could". But "it is". Just look carefully at the credit , there is the list of the names of Hawaii Location Staffs.They just took the picture at Hawaii. It bases on the real picture of the real location in order to make the realistic cinemetic graphics.

And it's hard for versus to take the picture by using the real location because the limit of time ........ finding the most suitable location that fits with game is very very tough task to do and it can be too waste of time and funds. And also when the characters which are made by CG mixed with the real picture of the cities , it looks odd....not corresponding.My thought:)


ok city shots are difficult to get i give you that, but are the desert landsape shots dificult to get too????, oh yes and that beach-like landscape

[Devegas]

like i said: bitchassness

[Kurai Warrior]

I spy a whiny bitch in the forum.
Seriously, if you gonna bitch about something at least make it something that actually deserves it to some degree.

[Aurelia]

I spy a whiny bitch in the forum.
Seriously, if you gonna bitch about something at least make it something that actually deserves it to some degree.

Like names! Goddammit why don't we have any names yet!? Or a real plot!? *bitch, whine, whine, wank, bitch*

[Whiplash]

Like names! Goddammit why don't we have any names yet!? Or a real plot!? *bitch, whine, whine, wank, bitch*

Because it's only important that they LOOK good, wumman!

[Vtks]

Like names! Goddammit why don't we have any names yet!? Or a real plot!? *bitch, whine, whine, wank, bitch*


hmmm about names, well in my case i don't bitch about that becuase based on how in ffxiii they released the names (i mean in the progres of the progress of the game)

i would bitch abut that if they do not release the names when they show gameplay and more of the plot, but for now im more interested in cinematics, becuase in game are beyond normal, besides they'll improve as progress advances . . . .

[Joseph Handibode]

Will people stop talking about Final Fantasy VII's Cloud and Advent Children. I am sick of hearing about it in new game forums. FFVII is over and done with already. Advent Children was okay but it was no masterpiece. Noctis would pwn Cloud. Cloud had to be saved by Zack from being kicked while Noctis blocks bullets by himself. I think FFXIII Versus will have better ingame graphics than FFXIII when it comes out. Give the game time to develop before commenting. First of all, FFXIII is the game being concentrated on now for completion. We will have a while till FFXIII Versus will be completed.

[Hynad]

Will people stop talking about Final Fantasy VII's Cloud and Advent Children. I am sick of hearing about it in new game forums. FFVII is over and done with already. Advent Children was okay but it was no masterpiece. Noctis would pwn Cloud. Cloud had to be saved by Zack from being kicked while Noctis blocks bullets by himself. I think FFXIII Versus will have better ingame graphics than FFXIII when it comes out. Give the game time to develop before commenting. First of all, FFXIII is the game being concentrated on now for completion. We will have a while till FFXIII Versus will be completed.

Cloud blocks bullets by himself too.
Not with magic tricks, like Nocte, but with his own sword. ;)


And Cloud was under heavy mako poisoning when Zack saved him.
Since you know nothing about Nocte, I think you should wait until we get the actual game before commenting. ;)

[Demon_of_light]

Will people stop talking about Final Fantasy VII's Cloud and Advent Children. I am sick of hearing about it in new game forums. FFVII is over and done with already. Advent Children was okay but it was no masterpiece. Noctis would pwn Cloud. Cloud had to be saved by Zack from being kicked while Noctis blocks bullets by himself. I think FFXIII Versus will have better ingame graphics than FFXIII when it comes out. Give the game time to develop before commenting. First of all, FFXIII is the game being concentrated on now for completion. We will have a while till FFXIII Versus will be completed.

... wow now there's going to be a fanboy fight between Noctis and Cloud's fanboys...

[Aurelia]

hmmm about names, well in my case i don't bitch about that becuase based on how in ffxiii they released the names (i mean in the progres of the progress of the game)

i would bitch abut that if they do not release the names when they show gameplay and more of the plot, but for now im more interested in cinematics, becuase in game are beyond normal, besides they'll improve as progress advances . . . .

Pft I could care less if Versus looked like this:


http://i40.tinypic.com/ad2jqb.jpg


I want fucking names.

[Astraia]

Pft I could care less if Versus looked like this:


http://i40.tinypic.com/ad2jqb.jpg


I want fucking names.
LMAO

hey, not bad. ^_^

[LOL]

Pft I could care less if Versus looked like this:


http://i40.tinypic.com/ad2jqb.jpg


I want fucking names.

Noctis looks like an elf.:wtf:
But yeah, just give us the fucking names.

[Devegas]

well now nomura has no reason in why aren't we getting any info on this

[Pinkicexox>Mrs.Caelum]

Well considering that Nomura is leaivng the production of 13 and comming to work on versus we probably will hear something about it this year even if its just another trailer. Most likly they have had a lot done but they probably dont want to confuse the public with advertising 2 games so they are just trying to get 13 released and out of the way, so they can move on to Versus and agito

[cheesepizza]

Not "it could". But "it is". Just look carefully at the credit , there is the list of the names of Hawaii Location Staffs.They just took the picture at Hawaii. It bases on the real picture of the real location in order to make the realistic cinemetic graphics.

And it's hard for versus to take the picture by using the real location because the limit of time ........ finding the most suitable location that fits with game is very very tough task to do and it can be too waste of time and funds. And also when the characters which are made by CG mixed with the real picture of the cities , it looks odd....not corresponding.My thought:)

I thought they just CGed Cloud right on to REAL scenery footage... they didn't reanimate the background directly based on a real location (coz that's just stupid and time consuming). I mean even without looking in the credits it's kind of obvious. Unless thats what you meant.... in which case^_^...

On topic: I don't see how Versus cinematics are shittier than ACC? The added scenes in ACC were pretty good... and maybe the Versus ones are a bit plastic but Nomura said they had to quickly throw something together for the sake of a trailer so yea. Not defending him or anything.
Anyway as people have pointed out, Nomura isn't in charge of the cinematics, but I guess he could have nagged the people that were but in the end meh.

If you wanna talk about lazy, there were really shit scenes in AC/ACC... the tunnel motorbike chase, a few closeups of Yazoo, end of Tifa's fight... (herm the list is quite long....) where they seriously went "meh"....

[Kurai Warrior]

I can always be a dumbass and hope that something about Versus will be revealed at E3...And yeah considering its been like a year and a half since we've known about the other 3 guys...I'd say it's time for names...hell they should have told us the names way before now.

[Joseph Handibode]

Well if you don't like Nomura don't buy Final Fantasy. He made designs for majority of the new games. So don't buy FFXIII. He designed for that game too.

[Devegas]

if anyone doesn't like nomura then they can get a job trying to do what he does and see if someone will hire them

[cheesepizza]

Well if you don't like Nomura don't buy Final Fantasy. He made designs for majority of the new games. So don't buy FFXIII. He designed for that game too.

He designed XIII??

[Thunder]

Yus he did.

Well if you don't like Nomura don't buy Final Fantasy. He made designs for majority of the new games. So don't buy FFXIII. He designed for that game too.
Stfu plz <3

[Devegas]

He designed XIII??
no he's behind the character designs and the cinematics i guess

[Vtks]

and i looked other laziness, in cinematicas, that could affect gameplay ahesteticas, and that is noct's teleporting, doesn't it reminds you of a certain character?????

maybe loz of FF vii ACC????? yes, nocts teleporting is the same as loz's

i hope you agree with me, in the fact that Nomura, could've figured another form of teleporting much more creative.

[Teutonic]

Advent Children was a movie that had a large group and a fund probably the same size as a crew making the game would have and they were only focusing on "cinematics". The Versus crew has the game and the cinematics to work on so I think its going to be a little downgaded from Advent Children. And its still in development and they'll probably up the quality towards the end of development, when they know they will be under budget.

[Ikkin]

Advent Children was a movie that had a large group and a fund probably the same size as a crew making the game would have and they were only focusing on "cinematics". The Versus crew has the game and the cinematics to work on so I think its going to be a little downgaded from Advent Children. And its still in development and they'll probably up the quality towards the end of development, when they know they will be under budget.

Well, you also have to consider that Advent Children has a significantly greater amount of cinematics than Versus will likely have.

On the other hand, some of the Versus clips that we've seen are from 2006. Advent Children Complete was actually influenced by the work being done on Versus, and it'll probably work the other way as well.

[Teutonic]

Well, you also have to consider that Advent Children has a significantly greater amount of cinematics than Versus will likely have.

On the other hand, some of the Versus clips that we've seen are from 2006. Advent Children Complete was actually influenced by the work being done on Versus, and it'll probably work the other way as well.

Well duh on the more cinematics bit but i overall agree with you. I just think everyone myself included are expecting quite a bit out of SquareEnix especially after Advent, hopefully they won't disappoint but I would rather prefer sacrificing cinematics for more gameplay it gets sad when you thought you bought a game but instead you practically get a movie....