The Persona of Noct and Stella

[Kokayi]

Noctis's personality is different from any other character in the Final Fantasy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy) franchise (including that of Cloud Strife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_Strife) of Final Fantasy VII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII) and Squall Leonhart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squall_Leonhart) of Final Fantasy VIII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VIII)), one that Nomura had wanted to try out for a long time.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-famitsu1001-14) In the past, protagonists were given strong personalities while the distinctive ones were delegated to the supporting cast, but Nomura states Noctis's idiosyncrasies mark a departure from this tradition.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-famitsu1001-14) Although his character is said to be hard to define given his complexities,[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-FamitsuTGS08-12)[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-TGS08famitsu.com-15) a good measure of his personality can be sensed from his first meeting with Stella.[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-TGS08IGN.com-16) Despite his cold and unsociable appearance, Noctis hides his shyness underneath a façade of coolness in front of her.[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-TGS08IGN.com-16) However, he acts more openly around his three friends, usually smiling,[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-FamitsuTGS08-12)[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-TGS08famitsu.com-15) a testament to Nomura's statement that "he is not the least bit a silent, gloomy little boy."[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-famitsu1001-14)

____WIKIPEDIA with from NOMURA

Let's discuss this. Many have written Noctis on other forums as simply an "emo loser". If this because people want to continue to trend of strong heroes? Could it be that they are unwilling to watch a hero grow into strength or because they believe this personality trait is better suited for other characters?

Stella is described to be ladylike and extremely polite,[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-DengekiAug08-17) but direct in her manner — a reflection of her proper but strong upbringing.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-1UP-10)[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-TGS08IGN.com-16) She acts according to her beliefs, and doesn't shy away from problems.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-1UP-10)[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-DengekiAug08-17) Nomura states that she will be the first to stand out from other female characters in the Final Fantasy franchise,[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII#cite_note-DengekiAug08-17) although it is not specified how.

-----WIKI and Nomura

Here is also info as reviewed by the people of WIKIpedia and with reference to quotes by Nomura. Feel free to compare and constrast their personalities using the new scene in the art gallery.

[DrStein]

how can ppl say noctis isnt strong ... i believe he is a bored homicidal maniac :D but in a good way

[doeman]

i don't think people doubt that noctis is strong, they just wanna bash him because he's a pretty boy. i could careless about all of those negative comments towards him. he's just so uber hawt omg i wanna hav hiz babiez ryte nao!!

[Hynad]

Let's wait until we get anything of consistence before judging the characters AND Nomura's claims.

So far, everything is foggy and Nomura could be talking his ass off just to gain more hype for his game.

I'm on the wait and see camp.

[Naunen]

Wikipedia.... D:

[cheesepizza]

^^^ Wikipedia indeed D: .... We kinda know close to nothing about his personality... so therefore cannot judge :D Nomura saying his personality is different doesn't really mean much... we've only seen so many personalities anyway.... half of them are the silent, gloomy type. As for the "emo lil boy" thing, he looks like one but seriously, he just {{LOOKS}} like one O_O

Judging by the trailer though.. he does seem kinda withdrawn and lacking in confidence... lack of social skillz? :3 Well he tries... and kinda fails, imo, with his "you'll get nightmares" quote... I can kinda relate to him in a way but this is like only a few mins of him and we don't even hear his tone or anything. As for Stella... she just seems like a typical well mannered.. seemingly well tempered princess of sorts.... and I don't like it one bit -3- but it seriously is too early to judge...
Also I can't help but notice how very Asian (especially Stella) they look? I mean I have nothing against it and this is only an earlyindevelopment ingame cutscene... but ... yea O_O I mean Stella looked nice in all the trailers with the pretty CG but yea.... NOT BEING RACIST! I'm just saying...

And lol at doeman XD

[rutea7]

when has final fantasy main characters ever been strong? cloud and squall were weak, they were emotionally messed up. so this one is weak in a diferent way from before, there hasnt been a strong independent character yet. maybe lightning will b the first.

[Hynad]

No, Lightning won't be the first strong and independent character.

Bartz, Locke, Edgar, and many others were quite the strong, independent characters.

But people only consider the games from VII onward as part of the series, the rest doesn't exist of course...

Heck, even Zidane was a strong, independent character. And I wonder how you could label Squall as a weak character. He was a really strong character. Just because he wasn't really sociable doesn't mean he wasn't strong. His sense of duty had no equals. And it was quite easy to see how independent he was. Even if Rinoa messed things up a bit (that's what love would do to a person, after all.).


The way I see it, you talk as if a strong independent character shouldn't go through any kind of growth during the course of the game. Starting as a cool, strong and independent character that is badass from start to finish without encountering a single opposition be it physical or emotional...

Now that would be boring as hell.

[rutea7]

Locke was heart broken
and i consider terra the main character from ff6, she wasnt really strong. she was lonely kinda
bartz was ok, i dont remember ff5 very well i might need to play it again.
edgar was a womanizer... not to mention he had pedophile tendencies, lol.

but indeed ff6 had some of my favourite characters in the series.

squall was trying to act tough and keep people away from him cause he was afraid to b left alone again. that was very obvious, he even says in the ending "am i alone again?" i dont get the point that falling in love would make someone weak? i think that made the character better and stronger but i guess someone who's afraid of love or has some bitter attitude towards it would think that way

you are right zidane was a well leveled character, he was strong (and somehow he managed to fall in love, ooh) my bad.

my point is noctis is not the first weak character.

[Ikkin]

Also I can't help but notice how very Asian (especially Stella) they look? I mean I have nothing against it and this is only an earlyindevelopment ingame cutscene... but ... yea O_O I mean Stella looked nice in all the trailers with the pretty CG but yea.... NOT BEING RACIST! I'm just saying...

It's probably something they're doing on purpose, because they can do it now. =P Tidus and Yuna looked really Japanese in the CG, but apparently it didn't translate into PS2 graphics very well. Now that their realtime models are good enough to bring the characters beyond "non-specific ethnicity," it makes sense that they'd start looking Asian.

Though, I think a lot of the foreign feeling from Stella comes from her mannerisms more than her looks - her features are quite different from Noct's in some ways, especially the eyes.

[Kokayi]

i don't think people doubt that noctis is strong, they just wanna bash him because he's a pretty boy. i could careless about all of those negative comments towards him. he's just so uber hawt omg i wanna hav hiz babiez ryte nao!!

Never expected you to say that.

^^^ Wikipedia indeed D: .... We kinda know close to nothing about his personality... so therefore cannot judge :D Nomura saying his personality is different doesn't really mean much... we've only seen so many personalities anyway.... half of them are the silent, gloomy type. As for the "emo lil boy" thing, he looks like one but seriously, he just {{LOOKS}} like one O_O

Judging by the trailer though.. he does seem kinda withdrawn and lacking in confidence... lack of social skillz? :3 Well he tries... and kinda fails, imo, with his "you'll get nightmares" quote... I can kinda relate to him in a way but this is like only a few mins of him and we don't even hear his tone or anything. As for Stella... she just seems like a typical well mannered.. seemingly well tempered princess of sorts.... and I don't like it one bit -3- but it seriously is too early to judge...
Also I can't help but notice how very Asian (especially Stella) they look? I mean I have nothing against it and this is only an earlyindevelopment ingame cutscene... but ... yea O_O I mean Stella looked nice in all the trailers with the pretty CG but yea.... NOT BEING RACIST! I'm just saying...

And lol at doeman XD

It's because this one is more based on asian countries.

No, Lightning won't be the first strong and independent character.

Bartz, Locke, Edgar, and many others were quite the strong, independent characters.

But people only consider the games from VII onward as part of the series, the rest doesn't exist of course...

Heck, even Zidane was a strong, independent character. And I wonder how you could label Squall as a weak character. He was a really strong character. Just because he wasn't really sociable doesn't mean he wasn't strong. His sense of duty had no equals. And it was quite easy to see how independent he was. Even if Rinoa messed things up a bit (that's what love would do to a person, after all.).


The way I see it, you talk as if a strong independent character shouldn't go through any kind of growth during the course of the game. Starting as a cool, strong and independent character that is badass from start to finish without encountering a single opposition be it physical or emotional...

Now that would be boring as hell.

I played 6 and respected it. I think a lot of people do. Constantly I hear people say 6 was the best to them. I liked Kefka, Terra, Locke, Shadow and Setzer. Celes was okay too.

I see Squall and Cloud as strong. Yes they had problems, but anyone who can brave those problems, even with help is strong to me. I got problems too, and I fall into despair and self-hate. But I rise out of it sooner or later. The same goes for almost every hero or heroine in the US or JPN.

[Hynad]

Locke was heart broken
and i consider terra the main character from ff6, she wasnt really strong. she was lonely kinda
bartz was ok, i dont remember ff5 very well i might need to play it again.
edgar was a womanizer... not to mention he had pedophile tendencies, lol.

but indeed ff6 had some of my favourite characters in the series.

squall was trying to act tough and keep people away from him cause he was afraid to b left alone again. that was very obvious, he even says in the ending "am i alone again?" i dont get the point that falling in love would make someone weak? i think that made the character better and stronger but i guess someone who's afraid of love or has some bitter attitude towards it would think that way

you are right zidane was a well leveled character, he was strong (and somehow he managed to fall in love, ooh) my bad.

my point is noctis is not the first weak character.

You mention many character traits as being weaknesses.
Edgar wasn't strong and independent because he was a womanizer? What about Locke eh? So since he's got a past, he can't be a strong character? Seriously, what are you smoking?

I repeat: The way I see it, you talk as if a strong independent character shouldn't go through any kind of growth during the course of the game. Starting as a cool, strong and independent character that is badass from start to finish without encountering a single opposition be it physical or emotional... And to that I must add, by judging from your last comment, that said heroes must have next to no personalities.


Yep, your idea of a strong and independent character is quite empty and boring.


Also, FF VI didn't have a single main character. That's from the developers themselves.

[Kokayi]

Yeah. To the developers, Terra or Locke could be seen as the lead. Or even Celes.

I think of Terra those. She's in Dissidia, and is, to me, the most torture hero before Cloud. Her mother's dead. She was brainwashed. She was forced to kill in another's name and for their goals. Yet she still rose up and took Kefka down. That's a hero. That's the kind of person that had we had powers would rally behind and say "I'll help you! Don't fight alone" Because you know they're willing to do it all alone so you won't have to suffer.

[doeman]

Though, I think a lot of the foreign feeling from Stella comes from her mannerisms more than her looks - her features are quite different from Noct's in some ways, especially the eyes.
hm... i always got the feeling that she was "foreign" based on her looks. the way is she acts around noctis in the cutscene trailer felt very japanese to me =/

[Pinkicexox>Mrs.Caelum]

i think noctis wil be the strongest final fantasy character we've ever had, and because of this many may not like him, because he is stron and independent and he has a distinct personality. Some people do not like that in the characters they play, they would prefer them to be a blank slate so as they play them they can develope spacific character traits, through the expirences they have.

[Ikkin]

hm... i always got the feeling that she was "foreign" based on her looks. the way is she acts around noctis in the cutscene trailer felt very japanese to me =/

I think I might have messed up my points of reference. >_>;

Stella looks to me like she's supposed to be of a different ethnicity than Noct, who is very Asian. I figured it had something to do with the division of the world into Noct's Japanese-inspired city/country and the Italian-inspired world at large.

However, she looks foreign to us too, because of the Japanese mannerisms.

...if that makes sense. XD;

[doeman]

I think I might have messed up my points of reference. >_>;

Stella looks to me like she's supposed to be of a different ethnicity than Noct, who is very Asian. I figured it had something to do with the division of the world into Noct's Japanese-inspired city/country and the Italian-inspired world at large.

However, she looks foreign to us too, because of the Japanese mannerisms.

...if that makes sense. XD;
so, lemme get this straight.

1. you think noctis looks japanese.
2. but stella doesn't look japanese.
3. however, stella could be japanese based on the way she acts.

that's how i see it. are we on the same level?

[Aurelia]

Terra was not strong. She was emotionally weak and not independent. Edgar and Sabin were strong characters.

You know it's funny that I'm seeing this thread because last night I dreamt I was playing Versus. In the dream, Noctis was a total douchebag, the worst kind imaginable. But apparently he was a tsundere type that acted like that because of whatever but was sweet on the inside. I remember my dream self saying "Well that's lame. I hate his asshole self, but I'd rather an asshole than a pussy."

He was really really really an asshole in my dream. You will probably meet one person in your life that has the same calibur of dickery as my dream Noctis. I hope he's the same in the real game. :aldo:

[TheKyleWins]

I always figured that everyone was laughing at "emo losers" because everyone else was doing it... -_- I suppose that's why people are saying they hate noctis already, Stella to me kinda of seems like what Tifa was to Cloud in FF7...

[doeman]

I always figured that everyone was laughing at "emo losers" because everyone else was doing it... -_- (lol)
*cough cough*
kyle, may i ask *you*, what your take on his appearance is? just.. interested.. that's all.

[dajoowillkillu]

stella does not look japanese... not at all... though she does act like a tool

[SUPER JAM]

Ohhh Wikipedia again -*-

i think we already have seen many of speculation / hypothesis of FFvsXIII more enough. although the game doesn't release yet . so we can't get the real answer on this thing.

but if you ask for the tendency , Noctis is not kind like sad emo at all as Nomura has mentioned before , he isn't the depressed emo type , and i think he has 2 personalities , outside he looks a bit shy , laid-back in life , sort of vague , and somehow not so diplomatic and well-mannered enough as the royal should be. but inside i mean he is strong and he'll show out his powerful strength when the he faces the enemies. while for Stella , i think she is not hard-to-read like Noctis , she's quite straightfoward , open-minded , independent , diplomatic and well-mannered.

[Kokayi]

hm... i always got the feeling that she was "foreign" based on her looks. the way is she acts around noctis in the cutscene trailer felt very japanese to me =/

I saw it as the anime way. Y'know, when they give a chararcter blue eyes but they're still in a kimono and have a japanese name. Somtimes blonde, but a samurai or ninja. Like Naruto. 100% fantasy japanese person. But looks 100% white. *shrugs* I can't picture 'em any other way now. He and Sasuke are like tradtional meet unconventional. I refer to myself as a non-conformist. Heh heh heh heh

i think noctis wil be the strongest final fantasy character we've ever had, and because of this many may not like him, because he is stron and independent and he has a distinct personality. Some people do not like that in the characters they play, they would prefer them to be a blank slate so as they play them they can develope spacific character traits, through the expirences they have.

You may be right. But a lot of character in FF have flat out built in personality that just change a little by the game's end. Not that they don't have any and develop one.

Terra was not strong. She was emotionally weak and not independent. Edgar and Sabin were strong characters.

You know it's funny that I'm seeing this thread because last night I dreamt I was playing Versus. In the dream, Noctis was a total douchebag, the worst kind imaginable. But apparently he was a tsundere type that acted like that because of whatever but was sweet on the inside. I remember my dream self saying "Well that's lame. I hate his asshole self, but I'd rather an asshole than a pussy."

He was really really really an asshole in my dream. You will probably meet one person in your life that has the same calibur of dickery as my dream Noctis. I hope he's the same in the real game. :aldo:

Everything seems so "punk rock" with you. If that's your tastes, that's fine. But I like to think of characters as if I'm working along side them in their struggle. Would I get a long with this person? Do I understand where she/he's coming from? Does he/she have their priorities straight? Can I rely on them?

I ask myself if I would be liked or even cared about by the other characters. I see it as a good way to interact with the game and let you imagination run wild. Like starting a relationship with a character for example. Not something I think of, but along the lines.

Get along with?

Terra yes.

Cloud pre-self discovery no. After yes.

Squall no. But a mutual respect.

Zidane yes but form a big broth relationship to replace Kuja after his death.

Tidus yes after a misunderstanding leads to a rivalry between us over who would date Lulu (me having though, in this idea, that Tidus may have wanted to be with her instead of Yuna).

So far of what I know of Lightning. No. But like Squall, we'd form mutual repsect. I'm no soldier and I hate the army. I only follow order in the work place and that to get paid. With Noctis... hard to say. It depend if he'd find me worthy of confiding his real personality to like he does with his friends.

[Aurelia]

Everything seems so "punk rock" with you. If that's your tastes, that's fine. But I like to think of characters as if I'm working along side them in their struggle. Would I get a long with this person? Do I understand where she/he's coming from? Does he/she have their priorities straight? Can I rely on them?

I ask myself if I would be liked or even cared about by the other characters. I see it as a good way to interact with the game and let you imagination run wild. Like starting a relationship with a character for example. Not something I think of, but along the lines.

Get along with?

Terra yes.

Cloud pre-self discovery no. After yes.

Squall no. But a mutual respect.

Zidane yes but form a big broth relationship to replace Kuja after his death.

Tidus yes after a misunderstanding leads to a rivalry between us over who would date Lulu (me having though, in this idea, that Tidus may have wanted to be with her instead of Yuna).

So far of what I know of Lightning. No. But like Squall, we'd form mutual repsect. I'm no soldier and I hate the army. I only follow order in the work place and that to get paid. With Noctis... hard to say. It depend if he'd find me worthy of confiding his real personality to like he does with his friends.


Punk rock? I'm just a very cynical person with coping mechanisms that seem odd to others. I was just describing a dream I had last night. I kid you not, I really did dream that Noctis was an asshole. And yeah I actually would like him to start off as an asshole instead of a shy little lady. Chances are, based on what Nomura said and watching the trailer, Noctis is going to be a tsundere: a hard exterior but a squishy interior. I don't mind the tsundere types as long as it's done right.

Some characters I may understand where they are coming from or get along in real life, but frankly I cannot like them. An example of this would be Aeris. She's someone I would get along with in real life (maybe) but I hate her guts. It happens.

-Terra? Hell no. I have the patience of a saint, believe it or not, and Terra would drive me mad.
-Cloud? Pre and post I would get along with him. I'd get frustrated, but not like with Terra.
-Squall? Two cynical bastards in one room? We'd be an unstoppable team... or not. Too bad his taste in females would lead into our inevitable dudevorce.
-Zidane? Yes, but I'd make him STFU. Sometimes I was sick of hearing his yapping. I could have nail polish parties with him.
-Tidus? Maybe, and my commentary is the same as Zidane's, except the nail polish part.
-Vaan? Yes. Ashe? Fuck no. Balthier? An invincible team.
-Lightning? Most likely
-Noctis? Yes, and I'll have plenty of nail polish parties with him, except I won't go shopping with him. He has bad taste.

What makes you think I don't interact with my games? I make my side comments or little stories in my head too. Just because I am being critical of a character or a series does not mean that I don't have fun with them. I can say everything that's wrong with the Final Fantasy franchise, but I still enjoy them. I do not blindly accept games that SE dishes out. That's just stupid. I also find that my cynicism helps me cope with crap. If I lower my expectations, I won't be massively disappointed. If I have high apple pie hopes, I am bound to be heavily disappointed. Your coping mechanisms are different. Leave mine alone.

[Ikkin]

so, lemme get this straight.

1. you think noctis looks japanese.
2. but stella doesn't look japanese.
3. however, stella could be japanese based on the way she acts.

that's how i see it. are we on the same level?

Yeah, exactly. ^_^

I also think that the mannerisms might have more to do with them using Japanese motion actors than anything else. :lol:

[doeman]

I also think that the mannerisms might have more to do with them using Japanese motion actors than anything else. :lol:
lol
i don't get it =(

[SANAO]

i dont know i'll just wait till the game is out then i can judge or whatever

[Ikkin]

lol
i don't get it =(

Meh, it's not really that funny. XD; It just seems kind of silly to think that they might not have realized that using Japanese motion actors would make the characters feel strange to the western audience. Or something.

[rutea7]

You mention many character traits as being weaknesses.
Edgar wasn't strong and independent because he was a womanizer? What about Locke eh? So since he's got a past, he can't be a strong character? Seriously, what are you smoking?

I repeat: The way I see it, you talk as if a strong independent character shouldn't go through any kind of growth during the course of the game. Starting as a cool, strong and independent character that is badass from start to finish without encountering a single opposition be it physical or emotional... And to that I must add, by judging from your last comment, that said heroes must have next to no personalities.


Yep, your idea of a strong and independent character is quite empty and boring.


Also, FF VI didn't have a single main character. That's from the developers themselves.

gosh you are totally taking this too serious!!!!!
besides i said MAIN character, if you want to put edgar and locke in there go ahead. but locke does have a weakness, he cant let go of raquel's memory so he cant returns celes affection.
i was pointing terra out as the main character cause she's the one in dissidia representing ff6. ok?

besides i like flawed characters, i like squall, he was one of my favourite main characters so i'm not putting him down i'm pointing out he had issues and thats what made the character interesting.

if this statement about noctis being weak and shy made anything to me was to make him seem more interesting, it seems like it could work into good character development.

i believe they said also that ffxiii wouldnt have a main character, but people end up seeing lightning as the main character, that might change in the future, or not. doesnt really matter.

since i know it's kind of pointless to try talking to hynad from past experience i'll get back on topic:

i dont think stella is nothing like any other girl from ff series. people like to compare her with rinoa and aeris but none of those would try to kick squall/cloud's ass. he seems more upset in the trailer when he sees that he was going to fight her then the other way around, she might have already known they'd end up in opposite sides.

she looks more asian in gameplay graphics then CG

[Thunder]

stella does not look japanese... not at all... though she does act like a tool
I think her facial features (in realtime graphics) look alot asian, if you dont mind hair and eyes color.
But most its her body posteres/gestures that give the Japanese feeling.

I'm not quite sure of what you mean by acting like a tool though.

[cheesepizza]

Yes to Thula, I should have worded my post better... their facial structure, ignoring colouring (could have green hair... according to anime, Asians don't have black hair lulz), are so very Asian O_O.

And.. tool?

*Just staying somewhat on topic*

[Joseph Handibode]

Wrong about Zidane. Weakest main character in FF game as far as battles. He couldn't kill a fly, weak arse midget. Character wise he was decent but his skills were much to be desired.
We see how Noctis is as a character soon. Cloud had weak personality. He always crying about something, makes Tidus sould like tough guy. Cloud didn't look good at all in CGI-he is emo.
Squall didn't like being alone at the end because he experience friendship and love. Hey, whom can blame him?

[Hynad]

since i know it's kind of pointless to try talking to hynad from past experience i'll get back on topic:



Then you know nothing. I like hearing about past experiences. When people share what they actually learned out of it or are just really passionate about it that it feels like you're actually living their tale, drinking their words.

You just don't seem to like that I understand that you want a flawless/perfect and boring character that would go through no personal progression during the course of the story.

Superman is near flawless, but at the very least, he's got some flaws (a big one being emotional: his naivety, his constant stubbornness to see good in every beings no matter how evil they are, and physical: Magic and Kryptonite)...

Those are big flaws, and a good character needs those kind of flaws, otherwise it becomes hard to relate to them and gets old (as in boring) really quickly.

[rutea7]

i didnt say i WANT a flawless character i said past characters ARENT flawless, go back and point out where i said i wanted a boring strong, emotionless character.

i wasnt complaining, you're the one who assumed i was. i was POINTING OUT that the past characters werent all strong, flawless characters, i was saying Nomura's comment wasnt accurate because Noctis is not the firs flawed character or the first one with a weak side.

so stop assuming you know what i mean, just because someone points out the weakness of a character doenst mean they dont like the character or apreciate the character development.

the only main character i didnt like so far would be Tidus because he annoys the hell out of me. other then that i like them all regardless of them being or not my fave characters in the game.

stop assuming what i like or dont, your light years away from knowing that you twit

[Hynad]

My problem with your take on this is that you consider a character having flaws as weak/not strong.

Claiming Lightning might be the first strong character in the series.

My assumptions about what you consider to be a strong character rests on your claims about what made these characters weak, even though they had all the necessary qualities to be considered strong.

A good example of a weak character would be Cloud. He was weak by hating himself, lying about his past to cover his shame, etc... But he managed to become strong as the story progressed. By coming to his sense, thanks in part to Tifa, and by admitting what he truly was in front of everyone (yeah, admitting your flaws and mistakes to the people close to you is the first step in overcoming them).

Squall on the other end, even though not the sociable type, was strong as soon as the story got started. Having a really good sense of responsibility and duty and skilled like no other SeeD. His journey was somehow the opposite of Cloud's, in the sense that the more the story progressed, the more he created himself a weakness of sort. By creating a "bond" with Rinoa, his feelings for her messed him up and he got the idea that he needed someone in order for his life to mean something...

Zidane is the perfect example of a Strong character. His personality is carefree, but he's got the skills to back him up. He's independent, yet selfless. The only weak spot he's got is for Garnet, and even that doesn't prevent him from jumping in to protect those that are in need even if it means he might not make it (Clayra). The only time he "weakened" was when he learned that he was, like Vivi, some kind of engineered "puppet". A strong person like him had no difficulty to overcome that, realizing that he wasn't alone even if he wasn't a "normal" being. That there were still things in life that counted more than where/what you are from.

Locke is the same kind of character as Zidane. Sure he's got a past and Rachel is part of it, but it's not the past that makes a person strong or not, it's how they live with it, what they learn from it, how they overcome their past experiences to move forward as better beings. Locke did just that.
That is the sign of a strong person.


So now, if you want me to understand your concept of "strong", you'll have to explain it to me a little more. Since it would seem that I got you all wrong from the start.

[Aurelia]

Cloud had weak personality. He always crying about something, makes Tidus sould like tough guy. Cloud didn't look good at all in CGI-he is emo.
Squall didn't like being alone at the end because he experience friendship and love. Hey, whom can blame him?

Are you on crack? Cloud NEVER complained, not even in Advent Children (perhaps just to himself, but that's it.) The difference is that in Advent Children he finally gave in to all the shit that happened to him and sulked massively.

Squall? Shit, Squall has less of an excuse to be an ass hat than Cloud. He was an orphan that was cared for and had security issues. He deliberately pushed people away, even though he felt alone. The only person he shows love for is an obnoxious failure of a female, Rinoa. He's still a prick to the rest of the gang except in that one line in the end of the game.

Cloud had his father die when he was a child, the town hated him, none of the children played with him, he was blamed by the town for Tifa getting hurt even though it wasn't his fault and left him to ROT, he enlisted in the army but failed to get to SOLDIER, his hero burned down his town, he was experimented by Hojo for 4-5 years (fuck CC's years), he saw his only friend DIE brutally, he fell off a plate and landed on a church, Aeris dies, the weapons, his life is a lie, mako poisoning, meteor, Square Enix AIDS, etc etc. I'm really surprise Cloud didn't commit suicide.

Tidus had unintentional paternal mental abuse and intentional maternal neglect. The only positive parental figure he ever had was Auron, his second daddy. Tee hee, Tidus had two daddies...

[rutea7]

like i said Hynad this is pointless, you keep your opinion and i'll keep mine.

[Kokayi]

What makes you think I don't interact with my games? I make my side comments or little stories in my head too. Just because I am being critical of a character or a series does not mean that I don't have fun with them. I can say everything that's wrong with the Final Fantasy franchise, but I still enjoy them. I do not blindly accept games that SE dishes out. That's just stupid. I also find that my cynicism helps me cope with crap. If I lower my expectations, I won't be massively disappointed. If I have high apple pie hopes, I am bound to be heavily disappointed. Your coping mechanisms are different. Leave mine alone.

It just seems like you're not only teasing when you make these jokes. They're kind of harsh. But if that's just how you play. I'm not you parent, you don't have to listen to me.

One thing though, I'm not saying you directed this at me, but I don't bow down to everything Square makes. Lots of games I said I wouldn't keep and sold back to stores. I've seen times, like in Dawn of Mana, where Square could do more or be more effective. I just usually don't have a complaint about their stories. But gameplay wise I've complained. But with all the flaws they and I know they have, I still like them as my favorite overall RPG company. A lot of people may say that that is a fanboy thing to say, but that's the truth. I've played a lot of games after working hard to raise money for them. And 8 times out of 10, Square makes the hard work worth it IMO.

I think we all picture ourselves with FF characters now and then. It's likely the only thing we won't argue about here.


Cloud had his father die when he was a child, the town hated him, none of the children played with him, he was blamed by the town for Tifa getting hurt even though it wasn't his fault and left him to ROT, he enlisted in the army but failed to get to SOLDIER, his hero burned down his town, he was experimented by Hojo for 4-5 years (fuck CC's years), he saw his only friend DIE brutally, he fell off a plate and landed on a church, Aeris dies, the weapons, his life is a lie, mako poisoning, meteor, Square Enix AIDS, etc etc. I'm really surprise Cloud didn't commit suicide.

Tidus had unintentional paternal mental abuse and intentional maternal neglect. The only positive parental figure he ever had was Auron, his second daddy. Tee hee, Tidus had two daddies...

All jokes asside, Cloud and Tidus are really strong. They put up with much more mental trauma than most regualr people do and they still ended up putting the world first. My hats off to Cloud for not killing himself. He never even considered it, because who would he be helping in death? Tidus didn't give up no matter what. He transcended the oversoul he came from and found his father and was a better son for it. By the time he reached his father, he knew more about him than he ever could sulking away and distracting himself with Blitzball.

[Fantasy]

Cloud had his father die when he was a child, the town hated him, none of the children played with him, he was blamed by the town for Tifa getting hurt even though it wasn't his fault and left him to ROT, he enlisted in the army but failed to get to SOLDIER, his hero burned down his town, he was experimented by Hojo for 4-5 years (fuck CC's years), he saw his only friend DIE brutally, he fell off a plate and landed on a church, Aeris dies, the weapons, his life is a lie, mako poisoning, meteor, Square Enix AIDS, etc etc. I'm really surprise Cloud didn't commit suicide.


Couldnt Have Said It Any Better.

[Devegas]

that would be funny if he did it though

[Kokayi]

How would suicide be funny?

[Sanji]

Desperate Housewives' suicides are funny :awesome:

BTW Cloud's suicide would have been realistic. Maybe too strong for a SE game? They had done it already though

[Hynad]

I don't remember having seen any suicide in a Final Fantasy game.

Only a glimpse of an attempt by Celes in FF VI.

[Kokayi]

Yeah, Celes tried suicide. I found it moving. I'm glad she failed, because she ended up finding everyone and saving the world.

[Sanji]

I don't remember having seen any suicide in a Final Fantasy game.

Only a glimpse of an attempt by Celes in FF VI.

Yep, I meant attempted suicide, my bad.

[Ikkin]

I don't remember having seen any suicide in a Final Fantasy game.

Only a glimpse of an attempt by Celes in FF VI.

Angeal's mother in Crisis Core killed herself, though it was strongly implied to be a murder when it happened, and the explanation that came later didn't include the word suicide ("she took her own life").

I think Marlene's real father Dyne might have killed himself, too...?

And those might not even be the only examples, depending on whether you want to count situations in which one character forced another (unwilling) character to kill him. Or situations in which characters go kamikaze on an opponent.

I actually think it might be less of a taboo in Japan, though, since several Kingdom Hearts characters have been seen asking friends to "erase" or "destroy" (read: kill) them.

[FAK YU]

noct is going to be very strong and kill every btches that stands in his way

[Thunder]

noct is going to be very strong and kill every btches that stands in his way
And is gonna brandishing a giant sword and meet a beautiful chick that think he is absotulely a cool person.

[Hynad]

Angeal's mother in Crisis Core killed herself, though it was strongly implied to be a murder when it happened, and the explanation that came later didn't include the word suicide ("she took her own life").

I think Marlene's real father Dyne might have killed himself, too...?

And those might not even be the only examples, depending on whether you want to count situations in which one character forced another (unwilling) character to kill him. Or situations in which characters go kamikaze on an opponent.

I actually think it might be less of a taboo in Japan, though, since several Kingdom Hearts characters have been seen asking friends to "erase" or "destroy" (read: kill) them.


You're right. It's been something like a decade since the last played Final Fantasy VII. And I only had the main characters in mind. I completely forgot about Dyne.

[looking_for_a_stella]

So, yeah. Noctis is going to be powerful and because of his detatched nature regarding his lineage and duties, people think of him as some emo pretty boy. I've always wanted to be able to jump between ten different weapons and be ungodly awesome in a game. It looks like he is able to move between his weapons instanteously, much like the Yellow Flash Yondaime's technique from Naruto. I'm sold.