What are Crystals?

[Lifrasthir]

As I understand, the Crystal mythology is what links the Fabula Nova Crysallis trilogy together. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I read an article at ign.com. The article did briefly cover this theory. I know there has been some controversy on this subject so I want to clear things up.

My main question is what exactly is a Crystal. I know that in Final Fantasy Versus XIII, the main character [Name hinted to be something like "Storm"] is from a royal bloodline destined to protect what they call the "last" or "final" Crystal. And later in the trailer we see two brief close-ups of what a Crystal energy cell looks like. At least that's what I hear from rumors.

Now I also read somewhere that Crystals have the ability to basically shape-shift or something along those lines. Is that true or was the information I read incorrect?

And now I'm finally getting to my point after all that explaining. I have also read in different places in the forums that Crystals have magical abilities. Example: In the Final Fantasy Versus XIII trailer when "Storm" grabs the sword with the engine on it, the sword sends red sparks into the air. So does that mean that Crystals are like materia? Or are Crystals the same substance as in Crystal Chronicles?

Tempus Fugit

[Desi]

Crystals always have magical abilities. Materia is nothing but a crystal, magicite is nothing but a crystal, job classes in FFV were stored in crystals. So yes, crystals have unnatural powers.

If you want a better explanation of crystals it would be best to read up on FFXI. The sum of it is, the world was formed by the split of the crystal, and everything is made up of the crystals, if you reform the crystal everything including the gods will cease to exist and that is what the Celestial Avatars want.

[Kätharina]

Aparently the Royale Bloodline has possesion, well a better word power over the crystal, being able to use its abilities in battle in order to protect itself and the user in question (i.e. Storm, blue haired guy... whatever you want to call him... i shall call him Julian)

This is probably wrong since my friends talk mush.
Yes Mush.
But it came up on a conversation when i started blerting about games etc...

[S-r-ex]

in versus, the crystal is stored in the pillar behind mush/julian/storm. in XIII, the crystal is logically placed somewhere in the city, and in agito, it's probably somewhere at the academy, or a bazillion floors below it.

[Desi]

This topic is about what is a crystal or crystals in the XIII games? Because I read it as the topic creator understands crystals in XIII but just wants to know there affect and importance in the FF timeline. Is that right?

[Lifrasthir]

This topic is about what is a crystal or crystals in the XIII games? Because I read it as the topic creator understands crystals in XIII but just wants to know there affect and importance in the FF timeline. Is that right?

Yeah this is about what a Crystal/Crystals in the XIII games are. I do understand most of the basic elements of the Crystal but I just wanted to clear some things up. But now that you bring it up I would like to know the affect and importance Crystals have in the FF timeline. I think I get the main picture but if there's more please tell me.

in versus, the crystal is stored in the pillar behind mush/julian/storm. in XIII, the crystal is logically placed somewhere in the city, and in agito, it's probably somewhere at the academy, or a bazillion floors below it.

Hm...must have missed that when I first saw the trailer. But now that you mention it I can see those Crystals in the backround. ^_^ Thanks. I had read somewhere that Crystals were given to the people who reside in Pulse, which is supposed to be underneath "Cocoon". Those Crystals gave the people special abilites or something similar to that. I'm not entirely sure.

Aparently the Royale Bloodline has possesion, well a better word power over the crystal, being able to use its abilities in battle in order to protect itself and the user in question (i.e. Storm, blue haired guy... whatever you want to call him... i shall call him Julian)

This is probably wrong since my friends talk mush.
Yes Mush.
But it came up on a conversation when i started blerting about games etc...

Yeah I had also read [I seem to read most of my information don't I?] that the Royal Bloodline in Versus XIII has/had possession of the Crystal[s?]. And that Storm [I'll call him that.] was supposed to protect them from maurauders. So you're saying Crystals are alive basically?

[Desi]

Nothing more really. Crystals are just infused with the elements of the game world. If crystals shatter or their light dim the world is disrupted and you can see the affects in the surrounding evniorment. example: the water crystal breaks in FFV so the nation that housed it no longer has pure water.

Crystals can also be compared to other relics because people that own the crystal gain the power of the planet in a way. FFIV was an example of that.

XIII is giving the crystal a personality, which was also in FFIII. The crystal out of concern for itself and the planet as a whole chooses soldiers to fight against its enemies.

in Sum: crystals are a part of the world and the lifeforce of the world. They hold power superior then someone without its aid. Jobs, magic, etc all come from the choices of the crystal.

[Lifrasthir]

in Sum: crystals are a part of the world and the lifeforce of the world. They hold power superior then someone without its aid. Jobs, magic, etc all come from the choices of the crystal.

I haven't played FFIII, IV, or V yet so I really wouldn't know. But basically you're saying Crystals are a part of the planet similar to FFVII, X, X-2, ect?

[Desi]

Pretty much. Just recently they have been named other things like Materia.

[Lifrasthir]

Pretty much. Just recently they have been named other things like Materia.

So the original name for Materia was Crystal in the first place?

[Desi]

Maybe that was the original name. But materia holds the same properties of crystals and resembles nothing but a giant crystal in its unrefined form.

[Lifrasthir]

Maybe that was the original name. But materia holds the same properties of crystals and resembles nothing but a giant crystal in its unrefined form.

I figured that out but I wanted to make sure. Thanks! ^_^

[Lucrecia]

What you said is what I heard too. Testuya Nomura also said, though, that you could see briefly what the crystal was like because it was right behind the chair in the throne room. If you look closely you can see that something is back there.

[Misschoco]

If you look closely you can see that something is back there.

the thing that was back here was basically the pillar.........in it the contents of the crystal-if that was what you meant ^_^

[Lucrecia]

the thing that was back here was basically the pillar.........in it the contents of the crystal-if that was what you meant ^_^

Yeah that was what I meant. I just remember reading an interview of Tesuya Nomura's and he said you could briefly see what was guarding the crystal, which was behind the chair in the throne room.

[Lifrasthir]

Wow hey lookie! A dead thread has been revived!

[Misschoco]

Wow hey lookie! A dead thread has been revived!
and i was about to say..........R.I.P

anyways i kinda pictured the crystals to be blue ;)

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

and i was about to say..........R.I.P

anyways i kinda pictured the crystals to be blue ;)

Me too, what color is it? I need to watch that trailer again... *goes to watch it the 10th time*

[Misschoco]

Me too, what color is it? I need to watch that trailer again... *goes to watch it the 10th time*
well since i figure the main character derives some of his magical powers possibly from the crystals....the blue spectres given of when he is in battle could represent the crystals colour

[Terros]

But didn't Nomura also say the crystal might not be what we'd conventionally think of from other FF games?

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

But didn't Nomura also say the crystal might not be what we'd conventionally think of from other FF games?

Huh? What do you mean? Someone explain to the confused girl please :blink:

[Terros]

Nomura mentioned for FFXIII (don't know if this holds true as well for versus) the crystal exhibits the behavior of a living being, as in it's not just an object. I would NOT be surprised if the crystals were more humanoid than what we usually think of when we hear the world crystal.

[Misschoco]

Nomura mentioned for FFXIII (don't know if this holds true as well for versus) the crystal exhibits the behavior of a living being, as in it's not just an object. I would NOT be surprised if the crystals were more humanoid than what we usually think of when we hear the world crystal.
isnt that how the crystals are in ffxiii not ffvxiii??? yet again i may be wrong :blink:

[Terros]

Like I said, I'm not sure whether this holds true for both FFXIII and FFvsXIII.

[Misschoco]

oh wait i didnt read your last 2nd post correctly

yes the crystals are meant to be like that in ffxiii like you said^

[Terros]

Seeing as how the games are similar in that they share a common mythology, they may also be similar in what the crystals are and/or like.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I wonder why they made FFXIII, FFvsXIII and the Agito all at the same time :blink:

[Terros]

Who knows, more money?

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Who knows, more money?

No, not really, I mean if they release them at different times, they might get more money for each game individually ^_^

[Terros]

Who knows, because they're taking time out of the KHIII project to work on this one, and they probably don't want peeps to have to wait too long.

[Misschoco]

I wonder why they made FFXIII, FFvsXIII and the Agito all at the same time :blink:

because its a completion :P

would you really prefer if they made each game one after the other.now think of the waiting time or the release dates ;)

[Terros]

True that.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

because its a completion :P

would you really prefer if they made each game one after the other.now think of the waiting time or the release dates ;)

They need to work faster :nag: ... I mean, why bother releasing the info about FFXIII games if it's not going to come out until next year? ...Meanies... :'(

[Misschoco]

They need to work faster :nag: ... I mean, why bother releasing the info about FFXIII games if it's not going to come out until next year? ...Meanies... :'(

then would you really prefer it if you were left in the blue for 2 years then when the games were alas released you didnt know crap about it :'(

i would cry :'(

[Terros]

Me too. Anywho back to the topic, I think the heroine and Storm maybe be connected to the crystals, and I mean that in literal way. More than just protecting them. Who knows the heroine could be the crystal itself...just a random set of thoughts that I've been pondering....

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Me too. Anywho back to the topic, I think the heroine and Storm maybe be connected to the crystals, and I mean that in literal way. More than just protecting them. Who knows the heroine could be the crystal itself...just a random set of thoughts that I've been pondering....

Hey! I was thinking that too! I tend to daydream/dream stuff up when they don't give enough info, so far, I've gotten as far as the heroine's clothing and features ^_^ *Is drawing her*

[Terros]

I picture her as darker skinned....but there's no way to tell....

[Misschoco]

Who knows the heroine could be the crystal itself...just a random set of thoughts that I've been pondering....
she cant actually be the crystals ;)

remember the crystals are in the pillar behind his throne.would there really be a heroine then?

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Hmmm... maybe like, if she dies, then the crystals, err, explode or something :P

[Terros]

Hmmm... maybe like, if she dies, then the crystals, err, explode or something :P Yeah that's what I think, or perhaps think of it this way, she is the crystal and at the same time not. What I mean is, she could have been "born" from the crystal, therefore her life may be connected to it....

[Lucrecia]

Yeah that's what I think, or perhaps think of it this way, she is the crystal and at the same time not. What I mean is, she could have been "born" from the crystal, therefore her life may be connected to it....

Born from the crystal? But then how can that be when the crystal is guarded by the Versus guy in the throne room?

[Desi]

He might not have known as it could have happened before his time, he may know and that is why he protects her, or since there were other crystals she could be from one of them. Those are just some examples. They isn't so far-fetched since this is directly from FFXI.

[Terros]

I am not saying she literally attached to the crystal. Let's suppose that the crystal has a conciousness. It may have the abilty to create a humanoid being as an "extension" of itself into the world. What I am saying is that the heroine could be a manifestation of the crystal in humanoid form. So while the King protects the "object" crystal. The being created from the crystal could be wandering around elsewhere, who knows, she may not even know she's the crystal...it's hard to explain. Going to what Desi said the King could know this and himself be searching for this girl, but as you see he kinda has his hands full keeping those guys away from the "object" crystal.

Aside from that, that pillar is pretty big, you could probably fit a human inside. So it could be like a safe house for the "humanoid" crystal. (just a theory)

[Lucrecia]

I am not saying she literally attached to the crystal. Let's suppose that the crystal has a conciousness. It may have the abilty to create a humanoid being as an "extension" of itself into the world. What I am saying is that the heroine could be a manifestation of the crystal in humanoid form. So while the King protects the "object" crystal. The being created from the crystal could be wandering around elsewhere, who knows, she may not even know she's the crystal...it's hard to explain. Going to what Desi said the King could know this and himself be searching for this girl, but as you see he kinda has his hands full keeping those guys away from the "object" crystal.

Aside from that, that pillar is pretty big, you could probably fit a human inside. So it could be like a safe house for the "humanoid" crystal. (just a theory)

Okay that does make sense. Very good theory.

[Terros]

Well I've tried to clarify that as best I can...still I don't know if this belongs in the heroine topic or this one...maybe it should be in both.

[Lucrecia]

Well I've tried to clarify that as best I can...still I don't know if this belongs in the heroine topic or this one...maybe it should be in both.

Probably both because it is linked to both the heirone and crystal.

[Terros]

Hmmm....it may be a bit to farfetched for the heroine topic.

[Lucrecia]

Hmmm....it may be a bit to farfetched for the heroine topic.

Yes, but it still involves the heirone.

[Terros]

True true.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I am not saying she literally attached to the crystal. Let's suppose that the crystal has a conciousness. It may have the abilty to create a humanoid being as an "extension" of itself into the world. What I am saying is that the heroine could be a manifestation of the crystal in humanoid form. So while the King protects the "object" crystal. The being created from the crystal could be wandering around elsewhere, who knows, she may not even know she's the crystal...it's hard to explain. Going to what Desi said the King could know this and himself be searching for this girl, but as you see he kinda has his hands full keeping those guys away from the "object" crystal.

Aside from that, that pillar is pretty big, you could probably fit a human inside. So it could be like a safe house for the "humanoid" crystal. (just a theory)

Sounds like a great story already :nod:
I'm going to dieeeeee by the time the game really comes out :nag:

[Terros]

I'm half dead already, just from speculation.

[Lucrecia]

I'm half dead already, just from speculation.

More on the verge of death.

[Terros]

Square give us some info! Geez!

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Let's see, count to 7000 at least 10,000 times slowly, and we're there! (jk)

[Terros]

Yeah...that's a good idea..........-_-

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

...Or we could sleep or count sheeps :rolleyes:

[Terros]

Anyways back on topic, I think the crystal(s) will be humanoid in a way.

[Misschoco]

Anyways back on topic, I think the crystal(s) will be humanoid in a way.

well the soldiers in the trailer were concentrated on one particular area-storms castle,if there was a manifestation of the crystal in human form then wouldn't there be double the task for storm(more to protect) and there wouldnt just be a congression of soldiers in one particular area but also searching for the manifestation

it could all be crap what i said but its just an idea

[Desi]

The soldiers might have not known of the full power of the crystal. I doubt that this boy knows himself. Why would the crystal make it known that it has a second guardian running around trying to protect it from being used by another nation? Almost as smart as giving away your doomsday plan in front of the heroes.

[Terros]

I agree with Desi. I don't think Storm or the soldiers know. Going back to another idea I had the Manifestation may not even know what it truely is, because of something that happened in the past. Like think what could have happened in the history of the world why Storm's city is the only place in the ENTIRE world that has a crystal(s)? Didn't they say that in the trailer with Storm in the car that a "cold war" had just ended?

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Probably a huge war erupted in the past and maybe another one is about to begin for the fight for the crystal

[Hitoshura]

Probably a huge war erupted in the past and maybe another one is about to begin for the fight for the crystal

*cough* Talk about cliche' *cough*

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

*cough* Talk about cliche' *cough*

Meh, kinda true <_<
...But where else did you expect the game to go? :rolleyes:

[Terros]

My main question is, why is the city the crystals so much more advanced than the rest of the world. What is it that makes the crystal so unique and special. Other than energy source and other crystal cliches.

[Desi]

Please Terros play an FF where crystals are very important( not 8 or 10) and you'll understand easier. This isn't very new that crystals accelerate the technology of its holders because of the natural resource it is. I really do not want to sound like a broken record but you have to read up on XI.

[Terros]

Fabula Nova Crystallis....the new tale of the crystal, so what's so new?

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Probably the crystals now work differently or they take a new, unexpected role? The producers might have come back with something interesting :blink:

[Desi]

Fabula Nova Crystallis....the new tale of the crystal, so what's so new?
So far nothing at all. Everything they released has already been done in a FF before. Hopefully something at the party will reveal more about these "new" crystals. At this moment it is just a hodgepodge crystal.

[CloudStrife1992]

Maybe the crystals are inteligent life forms and are somehow conected to the planet. Like a kind of bridge between the planet and it's inhabitants. A way for the people to comunicate with the planet, possibly.

[Misschoco]

My main question is, why is the city the crystals so much more advanced than the rest of the world. What is it that makes the crystal so unique and special. Other than energy source and other crystal cliches.

its because the world outside the city had mainly concentrated on developing their weapons and not so much on their societies development. thats why that outer world is still stuck in the middle ages the way you look at it

[Desi]

Maybe the crystals are inteligent life forms and are somehow conected to the planet. Like a kind of bridge between the planet and it's inhabitants. A way for the people to comunicate with the planet, possibly.
So you mean like every FF?


its because the world outside the city had mainly concentrated on developing their weapons and not so much on their societies development. thats why that outer world is still stuck in the middle ages the way you look at itthat has no reason to just be it. The crystal is that beneficial. They can't develop as fast as the nation with the crystal because of their limited resources.

[Misschoco]

that has no reason to just be it. The crystal is that beneficial. They can't develop as fast as the nation with the crystal because of their limited resources.
but the crystal is beneficial to the outer world to develop or give power to their 'military'

[Terros]

Ok, we've already established that power is without a doubt one of the reasons the crystal is wanted, still, I can't shake the feeling that this goes even deeper. This is the new tale of the crystal, so what I want to know is what sets this crystal apart from other crystals we've seen in the FF series.

[Desi]

that is why I brought up the economic and social situation. Military is used every time and it only really goes that deep(well except some XI story arcs).

[Lifrasthir]

I feel so out of this loop. I need to borrow V from my cousin.

[Terros]

I still think there are missing factors that we're not quite picking up on. The chaotic state of the world where the story is set makes me think we'll get a good look at how the civilians are living. Specifically the poor people.

[Desi]

I feel so out of this loop. I need to borrow V from my cousin.

Yeah the nation with the water crystal is in my opinion the best example.

[Lifrasthir]

Yeah the nation with the water crystal is in my opinion the best example.

Cool, I can sneak around my Aunt's house until I find it.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Nooo! I didn't play the other FF games.... *goes to Wikipedia*

[Terros]

I have an idea of how we can make some educated guesses about the crystal(s). Let's compile a list about everything we know regarding crystals in previous FF games and other games by square.

Ill start:
1. The crystal can create life - ffxi
2. The crystal has protective powers -ff: cc

There hope I got the ball rollin'.

[Misschoco]

2. The crystal has protective powers -ff: cc



or instead of 'protective powers' its kinda has power which is bad in the wrong hands

[Terros]

So lets continue what else do we know about crystals from other FF's?

[Desi]

I only say a little of what I remember. Left out some so others can fill in the rest.
FFIV: Bind a strong force while keeping the surroundings intact.
FFV: enhance its element in the region. Clear pure water, fire to make the best weapons, etc. Spliting the world to two and melding it back to one.
FFVI: advance technology by being a perfect energy source.
FFVII: similar to VI

[Terros]

Ok, anything else:

Create life - FFXI

[Misschoco]

FFVI: advance technology by being a perfect energy source.

narrowing it down to this,the powers of the crystal in ffvxiii would probably be something like this.

i came to that idea by considering the fact since the outer world need the crystal mainly for their military development and power-and thus this crystal would enhance that

[Lucrecia]

Well, the crystal obviously can't be like the one from FFV because from what we've seen of the city it doesn't fit the characteristics, if you know what I mean. But then again that could just be the city itself and not what's around it.

[Misschoco]

from what we've seen of the city it doesn't fit the characteristics,

but also consider that outside the main country is an undeveloped world,
society/ culturally wise so this crystal would advance military powers for the outside world

[Lucrecia]

but also consider that outside the main country is an undeveloped world,
society/ culturally wise so this crystal would advance military powers for the outside world

Yeah I didn't think about that.:rolleyes:

[Terros]

Ok so what else do we know about crystals?

[Misschoco]

Ok so what else do we know about crystals?

absolutely nothing thats been officially confirmed about them yet


their in slumber and thats all we know


we should take shots at wild guesses about the crystals.either their similar to other crystals in ff or nomuras gone for some radical new idea

[Desi]

Well, the crystal obviously can't be like the one from FFV because from what we've seen of the city it doesn't fit the characteristics, if you know what I mean. But then again that could just be the city itself and not what's around it.
exactly it can be similar to V. This is a very industrial city but with the aid of the crystal they can still be self-sufficient leaving their economy to skyrocket. They wouldn't need to import so the surrounding countries wouldn't get to share in the wealth.

[Misschoco]

exactly it can be similar to V. This is a very industrial city but with the aid of the crystal they can still be self-sufficient leaving their economy to skyrocket. They wouldn't need to import so the surrounding countries wouldn't get to share in the wealth.
and if the outer world gets the crystal in versus then their military development and power would skyrocket.The versus guy is most likely protecting the crystal as if the outer world develop their military powers with the crystal then it would spell disaster considering the ongoing war

[Desi]

and if the outer world gets the crystal in versus then their military development and power would skyrocket.The versus guy is most likely protecting the crystal as if the outer world develop their military powers with the crystal then it would spell disaster considering the ongoing war

Stop only looking at it with a military mindset. You are being too generic, too cliche.

Being able to improve their economy can make them a world power without the need for a military. If they can have all the other countries depend on them they would have nothing to worry about. The main character doesn't want his nation to become overthrown to the spot of a third world country and erupt in chaos. The Cold War was just a dog and pony show of military might but nothing was actually faught on the battlefield but more so with the economy and politics.

[Misschoco]

Stop only looking at it with a military mindset. You are being too generic, too cliche.

Being able to improve their economy can make them a world power without the need for a military. If they can have all the other countries depend on them they would have nothing to worry about. The main character doesn't want his nation to become overthrown to the spot of a third world country and erupt in chaos. The Cold War was just a dog and pony show of military might but nothing was actually faught on the battlefield but more so with the economy and politics.
okay maybe i am becoming cliched ;) but to be specific i talk about the military.I guess this war is all about the power and not being thrown of the spotlight-you can say. If i dont know the main characters aims or intentions for his country then i cant be sure he dosent want his nation to be overthrown by the outer world

[Terros]

their in slumber and thats all we know


In slumber....say what do you think might happen when they wake up?

[Desi]

In slumber....say what do you think might happen when they wake up?

It may past judgement on the world based on the current state. If the world is unclean/not up to par it will wipe it everything out and restart a new or maybe not restart at all. Similar in a way to the sleeping gods/Avatars(summons) in FFXI.

[Misschoco]

It may past judgement on the world based on the current state. If the world is unclean/not up to par it will wipe it everything out and restart a new or maybe not restart at all.
its possible then that the outer could want it for this reason...their only problem being that they dont know how to wake the crytals from their 'slumber'

just some theory ;)

[Terros]

If that theory is true, then is the versus team (because at some point Storm will be joined by others) trying to keep the crystal asleep, or are they too waiting for it to awaken. And if so, why is it so important to keep the crystal away from the "hectic order" as the outside world is called.

[Desi]

His nation doesn't believe that the outer countries share the same beliefs(religous or otherwise) as them so that is where the heretic comes from. Which could be that the other nation wants the power of the crystal shared while the current holders don't support that idea.

[Misschoco]

If that theory is true, then is the versus team (because at some point Storm will be joined by others) trying to keep the crystal asleep, or are they too waiting for it to awaken. And if so, why is it so important to keep the crystal away from the "hectic order" as the outside world is called.
and as said in the above posts the outer world might want the crystal to wipe out anything they want with the crystal stopping their heretic order therefore being able to advance better to versus guys kingdom..did i make any sense :blink:

[Terros]

I wish square would release more info on the crystals....this really makes everything all the more complicated. Anywho the "heretic/hectic order" is either in my opinion trying to stop, or they want the crystal to awaken. Perhaps the crystal is suppose to wake up at a certain time, and the versus team is trying to keep it safe until then, so something bad could happen if it is wakened prematurely.

[Misschoco]

Anywho the "heretic/hectic order" is either in my opinion trying to stop, or they want the crystal to awaken. Perhaps the crystal is suppose to wake up at a certain time, and the versus team is trying to keep it safe until then, so something bad could happen if it is wakened prematurely.
after checking up the contextual description of heretic it is when a person who holds controversial opinions or unorthodox views in any field. therefore the heretic order is in fact the outer world holding different views about the crystals(who should have it or what it should be used for) and thats probably why a war for the ownership of the crystal is happening

[Desi]

That is pretty much what I said on the last page about the opposing views.
His nation doesn't believe that the outer countries share the same beliefs(religous or otherwise) as them so that is where the heretic comes from. Which could be that the other nation wants the power of the crystal shared while the current holders don't support that idea.

[Misschoco]

That is pretty much what I said on the last page about the opposing views.
i guess i didnt see that :P..........i was just reinforcing this idea

[Terros]

This was brought up in another topic, I agree with the theory that there is one main crystal and several shards scattered. So here is the question, we know that Storm presumably has the main crystal, so who has the shards? I think Storm would have at least one the shards too, like that crystal he "plugs" into his sword, I also think the heroine has one, and probably the "hectic/heretic order".

[Desi]

The shards probably are nothing to worry about. I don't see them caring about something as little as a shard. Even though i didn't want to use this as an example. Compare the big crystal to a unrefined mako and the shards to materia. The Mako is a much more important object then the little crystals that are easy to get a hand on.

[Terros]

Yeah I know, thus since they see the power there is in a shard the want the big main crystal, because that's far better than a shard. Besides we don't know how powerful the crystal is so just one shard could be very useful.

[Misschoco]

The shards probably are nothing to worry about. I don't see them caring about something as little as a shard. Even though i didn't want to use this as an example. Compare the big crystal to a unrefined mako and the shards to materia. The Mako is a much more important object then the little crystals that are easy to get a hand on.
but by combining these 'shards' you'd still get a somewhat powerful combination if they havent yet goten hold of the major big shard..the big crystal

[Desi]

The crystal shards aren't known to "combine". Grow maybe but nothing compared to the Mother. I can see the shards being used for little things. Powering buildings/machines and being placed in armor to protect. FFXIII Cocoon and Pulse crystals are much more powerful then the little ones used in everyday life correct?

[Misschoco]

The crystal shards aren't known to "combine". Grow maybe but nothing compared to the Mother. I can see the shards being used for little things. Powering buildings/machines and being placed in armor to protect. FFXIII Cocoon and Pulse crystals are much more powerful then the little ones used in everyday life correct?
correct :P(refers to last point)
but its not known that they dont combine :rolleyes:even so each shard collected will be another step forward to the mother crystal

[Desi]

Well I was using past FF's as an example when I said "The crystal shards aren't known to combine". Since the shards didn't go back together until the world had to be remade in FFV, in FFVII materia grew then broke off, and in XI, tough luck it was broken.

[Misschoco]

Well I was using past FF's as an example when I said "The crystal shards aren't known to combine". Since the shards didn't go back together until the world had to be remade in FFV, in FFVII materia grew then broke off, and in XI, tough luck it was broken.
yh true in recent ff's.But this game not really going along with the traditions of other ff games e.g medieval settings then really wouldn't the crystals metamorphosed into something else but that i mean if there were shards then they would be able to combine

[Terros]

I agree with Desi, I don't think the shards will combine.

[Misschoco]

I agree with Desi, I don't think the shards will combine.
if in previous ff's or games shards didnt combine.Then this game kinda being original would have crystals shards that might combine

[Terros]

Maybe, but I still don't think so, I think the difference will be in the crystal itself. I think it won't be what we typically think of as a crystal.

[Alphonse]

So its just going to be a normal crystal with powers right?

[Alphonse]

Sorry. Double posted. I didnt want to. Sorry.

[Ultima Star]

.....delete it if you can then...well crystal...I have such a different idea of them

[Alphonse]

So come on! Tell us!XD

[Ultima Star]

It's gonna sound like the plot of an anime so perhaps not ;)

[Alphonse]

Alright. Im getting bored posting. Crystals are things that look like diamonds.

[Ultima Star]

We all know that CLoud:nod:

[Alphonse]

LOL Yeah. I know. Well they are shiny!

[Ultima Star]

Well..I think they're connected with people's hearts..or perhaps..:ohmy:

[Alphonse]

Nice thought. Well I just think that their something cool that you can buy.

[Ultima Star]

incoherent >_<
I mean that perhaps they're people's heart :ohmy:
And to get them you have to kill them

[Alphonse]

Well thats okay I guess.

[Terros]

I think the crystals will look crystalline but will be attached or imbedded in something that is not. Like a person per se.

[Alphonse]

Wow! Nice thought! Yeah! They might look like crystals but they might be connected to peolpe and if the bad guys take it and use it for evil it would be terrible!

[Ultima Star]

and...that is something like what Iwas saying..but Terros can explain it better than I do XD^_^

[Alphonse]

Ooh well. Nice! I agree eith both of you if thats right.

[Ultima Star]

Ok..so now what?..do you think crystals will also have a connection with summons?

[Terros]

I think that would make sense, it might also explain Storm's powers.

[Ultima Star]

Oh! I said something that made sense:blink:
Well...I just came up with that..but I don't know how to explain it ^_^

[Desi]

Well...I just came up with that..but I don't know how to explain it ^_^You sure? I mean summons were in crystals in like what: FFVI, VII, IX, and XII like really.

[Ultima Star]

in VII...oh yeah right materia...
But ok let's say that summons are inside the crystals...and that perhaps the bad guys want them or are looking for a special summon that let's say could destroy the world?..so that is one more reason for protecting the crystals

[Terros]

Here's what I think in a nutshell, the crystal(s) will have a range of powers from magic and stuff to summons.

[Alphonse]

Okay whats going on in this thread!?

[Hitoshura]

Its obvious that crystals are gonna be like the "magicite" of the game .-.

[Desi]

If you want to make that connection.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

in VII...oh yeah right materia...
But ok let's say that summons are inside the crystals...and that perhaps the bad guys want them or are looking for a special summon that let's say could destroy the world?..so that is one more reason for protecting the crystals

Destroy the world? *moan* That's a little overused... but all the rest of your idea is looking pretty good

[Alphonse]

Well ther might be a great power inside the crystals that has the power to destroy the world.

[Ultima Star]

Destroy the world? *moan* That's a little overused... but all the rest of your idea is looking pretty good

Well yeah it may be a possibility:nod: cliche? I know

[Hitoshura]

Destroy the world? *moan* That's a little overused... but all the rest of your idea is looking pretty good

AYE man, it worked in FF7, 9 (suck it haters), 6, 4, and 8. Why not in this one?

[Desi]

Maybe because to ya'll that is called "great storytelling" when it really isn't. it also is the most shitty motivator I ever heard.

[Alphonse]

LOL Well its okay to me man.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

AYE man, it worked in FF7, 9 (suck it haters), 6, 4, and 8. Why not in this one?

Meh, what about X, X-2 and (possibly, since Vayne and Venat are crazy for power that they'll destroy exisitance sooner or later) XII?

[Desi]

Meh, what about X, X-2 and (possibly, since Vayne and Venat are crazy for power that they'll destroy exisitance sooner or later) XII?Actually XII was more manipulation. They had the power but they had no need to destory it (they would die too) they just wanted dominant control over events.

[Ultima Star]

Oh well can't say much about XII haven't finished it yet..so...I still think is a good idea the destruction of the world, I mean...most of the time hapens:D

[Pixel]

Actually XII was more manipulation. They had the power but they had no need to destory it (they would die too) they just wanted dominant control over events.

Yes, they wanted a trump card...........

[Terros]

Oh well can't say much about XII haven't finished it yet..so...I still think is a good idea the destruction of the world, I mean...most of the time hapens:D
I would like to see something other than world destruction...not sure what, but something different that isn't as common or that we haven't really seen before.

[Ultima Star]

I want to see something different too, I don't know what neither...well world's destruction is the plot that has been used more:nod:

[Desi]

There is also the silly plotline of wiping all life so that the world can be reborn. All souls return to the crystal to be born again.

[Ultima Star]

that is also a good idea. but it has never been used..or did I miss something?:blink:

[Desi]

It is from FFXI and to an extend VII.

[Terros]

Hopefully we'll see something new in this FF.

[Alphonse]

Im hoping for that. Something new would be great right now.

[Terros]

Im hoping for that. Something new would be great right now.
Something new is always great...well almost always.

[Ultima Star]

...almost...yeah you're right..perhaps that 'new' thing we want is not going to be as good as the cliche things we're used to XD

[Alphonse]

But I want like "WTF!?!??! Thats some cool/awesome shit!". Ther you go!

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

lol! I hope the people don't run out of ideas now :blink:

[Ultima Star]

I think that perhaps the crystals have smoething like..life inside them

[Terros]

What kind of life.

[Alphonse]

I think Spirits or something.

[Ultima Star]

souls?:blink: um..yeah what CLoud said spirits..you stole my idea<_<
But yeah like the souls of the people who guarded before Storm was born

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

souls?:blink: um..yeah what CLoud said spirits..you stole my idea<_<
But yeah like the souls of the people who guarded before Storm was born

No, souls who look after the kingdom since the time the first king was named?

[XwingsofaresX]

No, souls who look after the kingdom since the time the first king was named?

so youre saying that the crystal is VERY old, considering the idea that the line of kings is that long? then that means the crystal is rare.^_^

[Ultima Star]

Yeah kinda but what I said..was something like..ok souls who guarded the crystal not souls who ruled the kingdom^_^

[Terros]

Maybe there is some kind of creature trapped in the crystal like a fossil.

[Ultima Star]

Then this creature could be like..a summon? or perhaps a God?

[Terros]

Perhaps, I really can't be sure.

[Ultima Star]

Well...as the Fabula Nova Crystallis series had to do something with mythology or things like that then perhaps is not that false anyway^_^

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Then this creature could be like..a summon? or perhaps a God?

Or goddess ^_^ Would that explain the heroine?

[Ultima Star]

You think that the heroine could be a goddess:blink:.....well..why do you say that? is it because of her appearence in the logo?

[Terros]

It would make sense, chances are she'll probably turn out to be the woman on the logo.

[Ultima Star]

Yep because then who else could she be? Though due to the nature of this game...then it wouldn't be that surprising if she was a godess:P

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Yep because then who else could she be? Though due to the nature of this game...then it wouldn't be that surprising if she was a godess:P

Yup! It would be so cool and plus, we don't have to worry about the Versus guy coming to rescue her from people every five minutes ^_^

[Ultima Star]

:nod:
Yeah cos she would be able to protect herself:nod:

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

:nod:
Yeah cos she would be able to protect herself:nod:

But then she must be immortal, being a goddess.... so then no romance :( The versus guy is mortal, so....

[Ultima Star]

Well it wouldn't be that strange though..a goddess falling in love with a mortal nothing strange..dunno it doesn't sound strange to me then the romance would be like she giving up her goddess status:nod:

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Well it wouldn't be that strange though..a goddess falling in love with a mortal nothing strange..dunno it doesn't sound strange to me then the romance would be like she giving up her goddess status:nod:

But she probably can't; who will protect the crystal? Or maybe the goddess IS the crystal :blink: But in Greek mythology, the goddess who fall for mortal men usually make them immortal so they can live together forever.... :ohmy:

[Ultima Star]

Actually Storm is the one that protects the crystal:blink:
I don't think she is the crystal but perhapps..if she's a godess she has live a long life..so perhaps..the crystal..was her crystal:ohmy:
But..it's still a`possibility..perhaps she's the one that becomes mortal..and so she can die:shifty:

[Terros]

Well it wouldn't be that strange though..a goddess falling in love with a mortal nothing strange..dunno it doesn't sound strange to me then the romance would be like she giving up her goddess status:nod:
It woulnd't be new cause the scenario of a god falling for a mortal is nothing new.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

It woulnd't be new cause the scenario of a god falling for a mortal is nothing new.

Yes you're right, but maybe the goddess is in love with him, but not enough for her to be mortal?

[Ultima Star]

..then is not true love as simple as that..

[Pixel]

Yes you're right, but maybe the goddess is in love with him, but not enough for her to be mortal?

Or maybe the Goddess is 'usein Storm for something else that she can't do....bring the crystal to her.

[Ultima Star]

:ohmy: you mean she may be bad:ohmy:

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Yay! Don't you love being the bad guy? lol But then I thought we said the goddess is either THE crystal or she is the PROTECTOR of the crystal :blink:

[Terros]

:ohmy: you mean she may be bad:ohmy: God's using mortals to do their dirty work isn't a new concept either.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

God's using mortals to do their dirty work isn't a new concept either.


Great, so Versus is just a world bad people using each other to gain something... <_<

[Terros]

Who knows, depends, how well can they re-invent the concept so it wouldn't be cliche, or better yet come up with something else entirely, but we're probably over speculating. Remeber we still have virtually know info.

[Ultima Star]

Meh..I think it's not that cliche cos it hasn't been used in FF..oh wait..Cloud was controlled by Sephiroth..yeah kinda cliche..a bit^^;

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Who knows, depends, how well can they re-invent the concept so it wouldn't be cliche, or better yet come up with something else entirely, but we're probably over speculating. Remeber we still have virtually know info.


This game series has been releasing quite an amount of games since it was first established, so there's bound to be SOME cliche in VSXIII..... Just as long as it doesn't include destroying the world or trying to rule the entire world (XII...sorta)

[Pixel]

This game series has been releasing quite an amount of games since it was first established, so there's bound to be SOME cliche in VSXIII..... Just as long as it doesn't include destroying the world or trying to rule the entire world (XII...sorta)

I thought XII was a nice breath of fresh air(METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING). I do not think it was that cliche.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I thought XII was a nice breath of fresh air(METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING). I do not think it was that cliche.


Vayne was ironic though <_< But the other stuff is good I guess, Venat and all that other crap :D

Back on topic, so basically Versus is like a world of darkness, blah blah blah, and people use each other to get what they want?

[Ultima Star]

...yeah that was the conclussion of this litlle discussion:blink:

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

...yeah that was the conclussion of this litlle discussion:blink:


Oh....Can we go back to the heroine and the crystal theory? Or are we done with that as well?

[Ultima Star]

I dunno..um..we were like this:
-heroine=crystal
-heroine=goddess=wants crystal=uses Storm to do so
-heroine=goddess= wants Storm= turns mortal to be with him
-heroine=goddess= likes Storm= turns him inmortal

Yeah it was like that^_^

:nod:

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I dunno..um..we were like this:
-heroine=crystal
-heroine=goddess=wants crystal=uses Storm to do so
-heroine=goddess= wants Storm= turns mortal to be with him
-heroine=goddess= likes Storm= turns him inmortal

Yeah it was like that^_^

:nod:

I guess there's nothing else.... :'(

[Ultima Star]

Um..how about...heroine=mortal= crystal gets inside her heart= becomes bad =..kills Storm...

[Terros]

Well let's then take a break till we ge more conclusive info.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Um..how about...heroine=mortal= crystal gets inside her heart= becomes bad =..kills Storm...

Or:

Heroine = Manifest of Crystal = helps communication between Crystal and Versus Guy (Like what the crystal want him to do next, she could tell him) :D

[Terros]

The crystal could be evil, just putting that out there, I forget who said it, but Storm wasn't ever officially declared the protagonist, though I think he is, was he?

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

The crystal could be evil, just putting that out there, I forget who said it, but Storm wasn't ever officially declared the protagonist, though I think he is, was he?

Really? I thought he was :blink: But then again, he could just be A character of the game

[Terros]

Really? I thought he was :blink: But then again, he could just be A character of the game
Exactly, he may not even be the main character, the heroine that WAS confirmed could be the main character, he could be the leading male role in the game for all we know.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Exactly, he may not even be the main character, the heroine that WAS confirmed could be the main character, he could be the leading male role in the game for all we know.

It would be interesting seeing a female main character in such a dark game :D

...Yes! An un-girly game with a female as the main character! Sweet!

[Terros]

It would be interesting seeing a female main character in such a dark game :D

...Yes! An un-girly game with a female as the main character! Sweet! Yes it would be a definant change.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Yes it would be a definant change.


Or maybe neither of them is the main character, for all we know, the main character could be a guy who's a normal citizen ^_^

[Dream Machine]

I highly doubt he isn't the main, he's been plastered over all the advertisments so far. They could be playing with us but it matches up to the whole ideological opposition to XIII, Woman and Man, XIII and VsXIII?

Anywho, I can't see a girly-girl as the lead. But I hope shes not a DARK FEMALE to a ridiculous degree, lets just hope shes a well rounded person.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I highly doubt he isn't the main, he's been plastered over all the advertisments so far. They could be playing with us but it matches up to the whole ideological opposition to XIII, Woman and Man, XIII and VsXIII?

Anywho, I can't see a girly-girl as the lead. But I hope shes not a DARK FEMALE to a ridiculous degree, lets just hope shes a well rounded person.

Or she could be a especially native girl who find out the dangers of the world the hard way :D

[Pixel]

Nooo.....Bad idea. I just want to play as Storm.

[Terros]

Or here's something completely different, what if you alternate between playing as the hero and heroine? Like say the game is split between past and present. You may play as the girl in the past, and the hero in the present....just a thought.

[Lifrasthir]

That's an interesting theory but it would be pretty difficult to pull off.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Or here's something completely different, what if you alternate between playing as the hero and heroine? Like say the game is split between past and present. You may play as the girl in the past, and the hero in the present....just a thought.

Or they could be in different areas at the same time :)

[Terros]

Exactly, and at some point whether it be an event or something left behind from who knows when, their paths intersect. Storm and the heroine may never even directly meet, the may never meet at all. Depends, hard to pull of but not impossible.

[Lifrasthir]

True Ter, but I'm not exactly sure someone would like to try to follow two different stories at once. The going back and forth, I think, would get annoying after awhile.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Exactly, and at some point whether it be an event or something left behind from who knows when, their paths intersect. Storm and the heroine may never even directly meet, the may never meet at all. Depends, hard to pull of but not impossible.

It would be like Storm is of the higher class and the heroine would be some citizen of a country that is in the opposite side of the world/continent, so they can show that the war or whatever goes on in the game affects everyone at any place

[Terros]

It would make more sense for it to be in the same area. Say it's split between past and present, whatever the character you play as in the past does, may cause the circumstances for the character in the present.

[Pixel]

If you did it that way, the time gap between the two would have to be fairly short or they would have to explain what happened in a trailer...

Or they could do it the cool way and do a tree of choices for you to do and depending on the one you choose, you make the storyline different in the future, sorta like KOTOR but with a time gap.

[Terros]

Not necessarily, the characters situation in the present could be a long term affect of the character in the past's actions. This leaves space for a larger time gap.

This isn't the best example, but there was about a 20 year gap between WWI and WWII, WWII was a result the after effects of WWI.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

So like Storm could be standing in the very spot where the heroine was like....200 years ago?

Oooooo.... interesting ^_^

[Terros]

That's what I mean. Something the heroine left behind might become part of the hero's quest.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

It would be so cool! Like maybe the heroine gets killed and dies in this cave and leaves behind a ring or bracelet :)

.....Or he finds her diary?

[Pixel]

.....Or he finds her diary?

NO....NO DAMN WAY, NEVER.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

NO....NO DAMN WAY, NEVER.

:lol: That happens a lot in movies, no? Hey maybe this whole game isn't about Storm, but the heroine's story.

[Terros]

All the more reason not to use it, and she doesn't have to die to leave somthing behind....well I guess that depends.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

All the more reason not to use it, and she doesn't have to die to leave somthing behind....well I guess that depends.

But if the time between Storm and the heroine is at least 200 years, then yeah, the heroine would be dead, right?

...That is, unless you want him to meet this 216 year-old lady in the game and tell him her story :blink:

...Goosebumps.....

[Terros]

Well she might not be human... we don't even know if Storm is human.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Well she might not be human... we don't even know if Storm is human.

Huh? Storm looks human :blink:

...No elvish ears or multi-colored skin :rolleyes:

[Terros]

So he doesn't have to have all that not to be human. His eyes and powers, hair color could be all he needs.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

So he doesn't have to have all that not to be human. His eyes and powers, hair color could be all he needs.

Sort of like Branded people in Fire Emblem: Path Of Radiance :D (Soren, Ashnard, Stefan....etc....etc....)

Sooooo the races don't not show by appearance but rather by their abilities?

[Terros]

Exactly, the fact that he has those abilities, already sets him apart.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

But didn't we said a while back that maybe his soldiers have the abilities as him, except weaker?

[Terros]

So, that still sets him apart, if he can use his powers more than everyone else.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

So, that still sets him apart, if he can use his powers more than everyone else.

Is it possible that his whole kingdom is of the same race as he?

Or maybe every country has it's own special race....?

[Terros]

Possibly...but we don't know for sure.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

....What does this have to do with the crystal anyways? :blink:

[Desi]

The Versus guy kingdom in the guardian of the crystal. A lot of times different "races" are seen as owners/protectors of different things: Elves and the forest, Cetra and the promiseland, Aerns and the mothercrystal, etc.

[Terros]

Yeah something like that, the royal family may actually be a special race that is charged with protecting the crystal for whatever reason.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

The Versus guy kingdom in the guardian of the crystal. A lot of times different "races" are seen as owners/protectors of different things: Elves and the forest, Cetra and the promiseland, Aerns and the mothercrystal, etc.

But doesn't all the countries once have crystals? Or is the crystals that are found in every country different from the others?

[Terros]

No, where did you get that from, it was already stated that he had the last and only remaining crystal.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

No, where did you get that from, it was already stated that he had the last and only remaining crystal.

Last remaining crystal, which meant there were once other crystals that populated the continent.

[Terros]

Yes, but from how you said it, it sounded like you thought everyone currently had one.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Oops :(

So all crystals have the same powers?

[Desi]

Oops :(

So all crystals have the same powers?Why ask questions that nobody knows the answers too? This whole section is pretty much speculation. Speculate, don't ask for answers to things we know nothing about.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Why ask questions that nobody knows the answers too? This whole section is pretty much speculation. Speculate, don't ask for answers to things we know nothing about.

I'm pretty much clueless about everything.... :blink:

...We can...take an educated guess??????

[Desi]

You can hit up the main site. Since everything has been updated.

[Terros]

Yeah, I agree with Desi, learn all the info available first then make guesses.

[Ultima Star]

Can someone please tell me what's going on here..it's been a while I don't post on this thread..and I seriously don't know what's going on-_-

[Kitmitsu]

I think everyone just ran out of things to speculate about. Still, continue if you can.