Demo Battle System translation?

[Viion]

Does anybody have a translation of the demo's battle system menus?

[Thula]

http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/forums/showpost.php?p=166492&postcount=8

[Viion]

I know what them menus are, I'm wanting to know what the first 3 menus are.

If you look at this picture:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/zelpher/battlehelp.png

The ??? Menu under attack.

When playing the demo the second menu does the same as the first.

[Thula]

You mean this battle menu?

http://i42.tinypic.com/2h87f9c.jpg

[Viion]

That actual image looks really old compared to what the demo shows, I'll take a picture of it 2 seconds not in a fight atm XD

[Thula]

ok :cookie:

[Viion]

Okay this is the menu im trying to work out:
http://viion.co.uk/ffdemo/DSC00273.JPG

Both the first and second option open the following menus in respective order:
Option1: http://viion.co.uk/ffdemo/DSC00274.JPG
Option2: http://viion.co.uk/ffdemo/DSC00275.JPG

They both pull the same menu options for your character and I'm a confused as to why 2 different options would pull the same menu. The help information changes.

[Thula]

Sorry i cant help at all with this D=
Wait Shuyu or Blanky to translate that part ^^"

[Xiyng]

I sure can't translate the thing... But I do have an idea.


Attack
Black Magic
White Magic

Or something like that (well, the exact translations are probably far from that). Anyway, the first one will take you to the top of the menu where you have the physical attacks. The second one will take you to the second line where you have your black magic. The third one will take you to the third line where you have white magic. The only real difference, except for what parts can't be used, is the cursor position. However, while it may seem strange, in reality it isn't. After all, you must be able to combine different moves easily and it wouldn't be easy if all of them would be in different menus. True, this feature isn't needed right now but in the full version there ought to be much more choices...

[Viion]

May be but the actual abilities you can use in 1 and 2 are the exact same. Normal Attack, the Upthrust, Fire and Fira, they're the exact same.

It could be Black Mage since the cursor does point to the 2 magic abilities I'm just not sure why it would separate them, when they're all the same, and wouldn't they categorize them by just showing Attacks, then just Black Mages, because you cannot use healing commands unless you go specifically into the healing abilities menu so why can you go into the Black Magic abilities from the Physical Attack menu and vice versa.

You can very-very easily switch between menus because say if you want Upthurst > Fire > Healing you can hit Upthrust, then you can press <- Left, to go out of the attack options to the main 3 menus and select another option, then doing same going <- left to go to the healing spells and put them all into your chain.

I've noticed no differences yet when chaining them.. Still very confusing. But maybe you're right about the black magic and attack and since this is a demo from december, they might not of properly fixed it so that you cannot do black magic while not in the black magic menu, maybe it's a bug and they should be tinted out like healing magic is. Hopefully we'll get the translations and we might have a better insight to their meanings.

[Xiyng]

Umm... You totally missed my point, didn't you?

I know the abilities are the same; I played the demo myself. My point was that the different options will take you to the different options of the same menu. In the demo it may seem unnecessary but in the full version it could be much needed because there are much more command to choose from; you must be able to choose whatever you want without scrolling too much and because the game is fast, going back to the "main" menu would be too slow so it all needs to happen in the same menu. It's simply so much easier to choose them all from the same menu.

As for healing magic... I don't exactly know. Maybe it's disabled for enemies just to keep things more simple. Of course it could be different in the full version.

But anyway, I think there's no bug or whatever. It's already the way it should be. It's meant to be so.

[cheesepizza]

k the rest are: (Xiyng is right though I'm not sure about waza (first one) T_T Is it like.. I always thought it means "special" or something? But the help say's it's "attack enemy with equiped weapon")

Fight/Attack 1............. Launch 1
Fire 1 .........................Firega 3
Cure (in the grey)1......BLANK:D

Same for both menus coz this a demo and you only get like 5 moves? The full game will prol have massive loads of magic and attacks etc so each of the 3 (most likely will be more) will lead to completely different menu :3

Help thing tells you what the thing/attack/magic does (whatever your cursor is on)...
For the first pic:..the cursor is on "Fight/Attack" and the help says "Attack (1 enemy)"
For teh second option pic: The cursor is on "Fire"... the help says "Attack 1 enemy with fire based magic"

lalala

[Viion]

Even so, it still doesnt give reason as to why both menus let you use the same abilities, but only the 3rd option lets you do healing.

Why block off healing on Option1 and Option2 but not block of specific black mage and specific physical.

The only answer I can think of right now is that it's a bug and that the Fire/Fira is ment to be blanked out like healing is unless you're in the black mage menu. Same for physical if you're not in the physical menu it would blank it out.

[mercy0001]

It don't mather wether if you chose attack or black magic. But later there will be more commands. Thanks for posting my post Thula, I wonder how long you've searched for that.

[Falsate]

Now I can order the demo since I understand the menus thanks to that one translation.

And how did they end up spelling "Blizzard" wrong in the old version?

[II SuperSloth II]

first post =P

anyhoo you really dont understand do you, im pretty sure it is correct;

Attack
Black Magic
White magic

Because just think say you have
Attack - Attack lift
x2 Cut x3 Cut
x4 Cut Attack All
steal mug

BLM- ultima Fire
Firaga Blizzard
Blizzarda Fire 2
Firaga 2 Lightning

WHM - Cure Curaga
Cure 2 Curaga 2


in a combo you can use ATT and BLM but not WHM, but say you want to go from the bottom of the ATT to the first of the BLM it would be useless backing out then choosing again and take far too long.

where as backing out from the botton of BLM to go to ATT is much less time consuming than scrolling.

basically it shouldnt be blocked out like Whitemagic because it can be used on the same person as attack where as WHM cant.

think in the full game there will be an extra slot for Summons so that will mkae it even harder to use everything you want by scrolling


also iv heard the whole thing will be changed for the full game so this thread doesnt really matter.

[Thula]

It don't mather wether if you chose attack or black magic. But later there will be more commands. Thanks for posting my post Thula, I wonder how long you've searched for that.
Not much really. Strangely i remembered where it was :lol:

[Moklin]

I still dont understand why SE didnt put only one menu on the demo. Its only 5/6 commands.

Maybe you can create your own menu, i mean you choose at the begining atack-balck magic-swhite magic-summons-items-favourite.

[hintonmj]

What if you have to equip something in order to get your list of available abilities? Either you get a limited number of slots for abilities that may increase as time goes on, or there is something like a Materia system where you have to equip something (maybe a summon) in order to have abilities during battle. At least it would seem like a way they could keep the menu screen style close to what it is in the demo. Anyone else think of this?

[Viion]

first post =P

anyhoo you really dont understand do you, im pretty sure it is correct;

Attack
Black Magic
White magic

Because just think say you have
Attack - Attack lift
x2 Cut x3 Cut
x4 Cut Attack All
steal mug

BLM- ultima Fire
Firaga Blizzard
Blizzarda Fire 2
Firaga 2 Lightning

WHM - Cure Curaga
Cure 2 Curaga 2


in a combo you can use ATT and BLM but not WHM, but say you want to go from the bottom of the ATT to the first of the BLM it would be useless backing out then choosing again and take far too long.

where as backing out from the botton of BLM to go to ATT is much less time consuming than scrolling.

basically it shouldnt be blocked out like Whitemagic because it can be used on the same person as attack where as WHM cant.

think in the full game there will be an extra slot for Summons so that will mkae it even harder to use everything you want by scrolling


also iv heard the whole thing will be changed for the full game so this thread doesnt really matter.

I guess that was there reason, eventhing is categorised by Offense/Defence and you can only do either Offense Magic, (thus defence=whm) is blocked out, OR you can do defense (thus offense=atk/blm) is blocked out.

At least we've figured it out and their intentions =D though they may change it completely.

[ExodusVII]

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[doeman]

what does the third attack underneath "fire" translate out to? =/
it's grayed out, meaning you can't use it.

also, i was just watching the fight scenes in the demo again and it looks like "cursor starts on attack" and "cursor starts on black magic" lead to the same sub-menu. dunno why though.

[Daemon]

what does the third attack underneath "fire" translate out to? =/
it's grayed out, meaning you can't use it.

also, i was just watching the fight scenes in the demo again and it looks like "cursor starts on attack" and "cursor starts on black magic" lead to the same sub-menu. dunno why though.

The greyed out move is Care/Cure. I think its greyed out the order of things appears to be you choose a target and then you choose a move, so all of your moves affect only the target chosen at the beginning of the turn, therefore you cant mix allies and enemies or multiple enemies, and who would want to cure an enemy anyway?

Relatedly, the demo's interface was specially simplified, the menus are the same because of the very limited moveset available.

[Soul Singer]

who would want to cure an enemy anyway

Me. On undeads. I don't have Holy. <=(