Things I hate about Lightning

[1nOnly]

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/rigan021/light.jpg

[Hae]

Yep she looks pretty much like VII models.
Geez.
Lol

[Saudude]

Erm the stiff hair, low polygon face texture = old build of FFXIII and has been improved E_E

lean back move...plz E_E

anorexia legs..wtf theyre fine. You want them chunky?

[Shiranui Reborn]

her bangs look exactly like clouds lolz

[Moklin]

She only want her boobs to be recognized......

Anyway, this is pointless, this is a older build and its hard to noticed this small imperfections while playing.

[Dystopia]

There cannot be a god, for if there was a god, he would not allow this thread to be created.

[Xion]

You went through the trouble of creating a mute point? congrats!

@ Dystopia - there is a God, but unfortunately the devil also exists :wtf:

[Saki Liu]

I already hated this thread when I saw the name.

[ninja robot jesus]

man, you guys are so positive

[Shiranui Reborn]

man, you guys are so positive

just for future reference
i didnt make any negative statements

[chaosblade77]

I thought this was going to be an interesting discussion about her character and what we know about her so far, not complaints about graphical issues so minor you won't even notice them during gameplay (even in the demo...).

I leave disappointed.

[Kinaki.Onmyouji.666]

her bangs look exactly like clouds lolz

LMAO. That's too true. I just noticed that. XD

[Astrozombie]

HOLY SHIT some of you people on this forums are sickeningly picky.

IT'S A FUCKING VIDEOGAME.

Get over it, wowwowowowow.

[freyja]

I think there is nuthing wrong with Lightning! I like her since the 1st time i saw the poster and trailer. She is veri different from Tifa and Yuna.

[Sundance Kid]

Her bang dont look that much like Clouds, I don't think. They're swept to the side but that's it. I have no complaints about her.
:wtf:

[Shiranui Reborn]

Her bang dont look that much like Clouds, I don't think. They're swept to the side but that's it. I have no complaints about her.
:wtf:


are you serious? :wtf:
every place that cloud has a pointed polygon lightning has a hair fringe or whatever

[Sundance Kid]

haha you're right I see it now. I think I just want her to look as little like Cloud a possible.

[Shiranui Reborn]

I just want her to look as little like Cloud a possible.

amen to that

[Naunen]

are you serious? :wtf:
every place that cloud has a pointed polygon lightning has a hair fringe or whatever

----Well, FFXIII is probably just their excuse as a FFVII remake.

[cheesepizza]

You hate the graphics not the character apparently, besides all this will be fixed/have been fixed (We all hope they stick to their word). If you want muscle woman then well.... the makority of people don't want muscle woman.. and she's an acrobatic not a hulkweightlifter or w/e..... and yes her hair looks like kinda Clouds (taking it too far to say her character model = similar to VII... that's just <_<) coz she's the god damn female Cloud but then spikey bangs are cool according to Nomura so almost everyone has them. And what's wrong with the battle pose....

[Astraia]

come on, nothing's perfect. there are lovers, there are haters.

[Pain Clone]

lol this thread is funny, the things pointed out r hardly worth hateing over. If ur that picky at most it should be a slite annoyance.

[Shiranui Reborn]

----Well, FFXIII is probably just their excuse as a FFVII remake.

yeah i think its half and a half
nostalgia + new shit = awesome sauce :awesome:

[1nOnly]

The legs: I'm not saying that she should be "chunky" or anything but come one, i'm kinda tired of the old same really skinny legs on the female characters, look at Shiva in RE5 for example, she doesnt have those q-tip legs..
The Hair: i'm not being picky and stop making excuses like "old build" and such, because i seriously doubt that they will refine her hair and for a game like FFXIII i'm expecting nothing less than what i've allready seen other developers do good/better
Cloud-alike: yeah she does look like cloud but the worst part is that her face texture is blank like his! that something i expect to see in FFX but not on PS3 title like FFXIII.

And if you're spending 60$+ for a game than you have the rights to be picky! I bought GTAIV and i was blown away, so far from FFXIII i'm blown away in a bad way

[Shock]

Then please, don't buy it, simple. People are complaining about this and that but at the end of the day they're still going to buy the damn game. I'm not trying to be mean, just real. And if you happen to not buy the game, then good for you.

[doomed_soul89]

If any of you have actually seen a fit girl in your life you know they're legs look skinny, I mean even kickboxers have skinny looking legs, it doesn't mean they don't have a ton of muscle in it thought, as for the lean back thing lol, yea I think they should change the stance or whatever but my only real problem is that there are purposely making her look alot like cloud, I'm guessing just to hype the notion that this game will be as good as FFVII was and increase sales after XII they lost a lot of respect

[The Brat Prince]

Jesus christ I don't think I can enjoy this game now over those skinny legs.

[Hynad]

I thought this was going to be a picky and ridiculous rant the second I read the name of the thread creator.


Sadly, I wasn't proven wrong after clicking the link.

[Wandering Hands]

I thought Hynad's post was going to be a sexy display of manliness and pure awesome.

Gratefully, I wasn't proven wrong after reading it. <3

[1nOnly]

I thought this was going to be a picky and ridiculous rant the second I read the name of the thread creator.


Sadly, I wasn't proven wrong after clicking the link.

well i must be one retarded fuck who thought that you actually could post your opinions on the game in its section.. :wtf:

Jesus christ I don't think I can enjoy this game now over those skinny legs.
fuck off:rolleyes:

If any of you have actually seen a fit girl in your life you know they're legs look skinny, I mean even kickboxers have skinny looking legs, it doesn't mean they don't have a ton of muscle in it thought, as for the lean back thing lol, yea I think they should change the stance or whatever but my only real problem is that there are purposely making her look alot like cloud, I'm guessing just to hype the notion that this game will be as good as FFVII was and increase sales after XII they lost a lot of respect

like i said/wrote before, Shiva in RE5 is no skinny bitch and she's still fit!!



every game has its good and bad sides, and i just happen to be the bastard who talks about its bad sides more than the good. I'm still gonna buy the game no matter how skinny Lightning is or how fucked up her hair looks a:whistle:nd if the game sucks then i'm just gonna put it on shelf together with FFXII

[Astrozombie]

No, Sheva is average and has a huge ass just like every other girl in RE ever.

Fit girls have skinny legs.

[Hynad]

Damn, why on earth isn't Lightning a Sumo Wrestler!!!!


Imagine the details they could fit on such an amount of floppy skin parts!!!

[Astrozombie]

Honestly, what's all this about "I WANT MY CHARACTERS TO HAVE BLEMISHES" and "I WANT MY CHARACTERS TO BE FLABBY".

Imagine a flabby, blemishy Sephiroth.

[rutea7]

her legs arent skinny compared to most japanese girls and i think the athletic look suits her. i'm not bothered by the hair, ff characters arent supposed to look too realistic. i like her design so far, love the costume too.

i have no complains until the game comes out, and i hope i wont have any after we find more about her.

dont b so picky those things you hate are details.

[Astrozombie]

It's like people are just looking for things to complain about.

OMG GUYS LOOK, A POLYGON. QUICK, BE DISAPPOINTED.

[rutea7]

i bet i know what he wants to see:

"OMG!!! that zit on cloud's nose looks sooo real!!!"

[Devegas]

yeah, there's nothing wrong the ff characters though some of the guys in the past games can have more muscle, but there's nothing wrong her or her bitchness

[1nOnly]

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/rigan021/pic.jpg

a litle example on some better hair modeling. They're not perfect or anything but they are at least imo good enough. And this complaints about Lightnings hair came after the demo, before the demo i saw an ingame pic that looked pretty good but then after the demo it looked like it had droped in quality ALOT

I think that in this gen of gaming the players should push the presure on the devs and not just settle for less, graphics is not everything I KNOW but the graphics is a huge department in this gen of gaming

i'm actually a litle surprised that the dear bitter Hynad is even bothering to comment on my bitter opinions, usually you're on threads to add negativity and not the opposite.

[Hynad]

Yeah, the hair of these characters aren't flowing any more than Lightning's "gameplay" version.


Way to go.

[Devegas]

im not even gonna bother

[Devegas]

seriously everybody was gonna talk about her bitchiness or something of importances not the fact that video game graphics have made her hair or legs any different that EVERY OTHER GAME THAT HAS THE SAME KINDS OF GRAPHICS!!!!!!!! like is it that much of an issue

[Astrozombie]

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/rigan021/pic.jpg

a litle example on some better hair modeling. They're not perfect or anything but they are at least imo good enough. And this complaints about Lightnings hair came after the demo, before the demo i saw an ingame pic that looked pretty good but then after the demo it looked like it had droped in quality ALOT

I think that in this gen of gaming the players should push the presure on the devs and not just settle for less, graphics is not everything I KNOW but the graphics is a huge department in this gen of gaming

i'm actually a litle surprised that the dear bitter Hynad is even bothering to comment on my bitter opinions, usually you're on threads to add negativity and not the opposite.

Wow, first of all, you must not know one shit about modeling because the only decent model in that picture is Chris. The first one is just a big low polygon lump with a few little stray textures and the second one looks so fucking solid that if you'd trip onto it you'd be seriously injured. Lightning's looks way better than those

Second of all, STFU. It's a fucking hair model. If you want perfectly flawless graphics and hair physics, go build yourself a badass PC so you can play Crysis. I can't believe that someone is actually complaining this much about how somebody's hair looks in a videogame, and saying that the game devs aren't doing as good as they should, because of a fucking hair model not being absolutely flawless.

Seriously, it makes you look like a huge faggot.

Maybe Microsoft will whip out a "Hair Simulator X", then you'll finally be able to be satisfied and proclaim it as the best game ever due to the super realisticness of FUCKING HAIR MODELS.

[Devegas]

I KNOW!!!! SOMEONE FINALLY AGREES!!!!!!!! THE HAIR AINT IMPORTANT!!!!!! THE GAME IS!!!!!

[1nOnly]

Wow, first of all, you must not know one shit about modeling because the only decent model in that picture is Chris. The first one is just a big low polygon lump with a few little stray textures and the second one looks so fucking solid that if you'd trip onto it you'd be seriously injured. Lightning's looks way better than those

Second of all, STFU. It's a fucking hair model. If you want perfectly flawless graphics and hair physics, go build yourself a badass PC so you can play Crysis. I can't believe that someone is actually complaining this much about how somebody's hair looks in a videogame, and saying that the game devs aren't doing as good as they should, because of a fucking hair model not being absolutely flawless.

Seriously, it makes you look like a huge faggot.

Maybe Microsoft will whip out a "Hair Simulator X", then you'll finally be able to be satisfied and proclaim it as the best game ever due to the super realisticness of FUCKING HAIR MODELS.

lol for your information i've been 3D-modeling for 2 intensive years and though i'm no pro at it I can clearly see when something is pretty shitty..

and for the picture i posted on the old dude from LO, i know the polygon count is pretty low there too but they still managed to make it look pretty good with good texturing, but with Lightning they did a pretty bad texturing job, i like though how the hair looks from the front

and yes i know the hair and skinny legs dont make a game bad/good, it just makes the visual appeal not as great... and about those skinny legs I never even thought about it as much til the demo, its just like in FFXII with Ashe, on the CGI pictures her legs looked normal-skinny but then in gameplay they looked skinnier. alot of you people dont mind the details and look on the whole big picture and thats GOOD FOR YOU, i do too but i dont dismiss the little things just because there are hundreds of other things they made good

This is the first FF game i've seen where visually i'm a litle dissapointed
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/rigan021/final-fantasy-xiii-ss-105.jpg
look at this picture and tell me if you dont see anything wrong with it:rolleyes:

[cheesepizza]

k WE LOVE THE BLOODY GAME (even though it's not out) N THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE OMG

but 1nOnly (yes that pic sux... my eyes bleed looking at the corners and plasticness), don't jump too much at the demo... you have to realise (I did O_O) that the demo is what.. the version of graphics from sometime last year probably? We've already seen pics of the improvements they've made (square fingers -> round for one... relief =3=)

The hair annoys the hell outta me at the moment too but they have one more chance to make it good >:0 I suppose the fact that Lightnings hair actually neets to interact with her body more than most common hairstyles (almost all other hair styles O_O) is well.. making it hard O_O

Am I gonna get flamed for this post <_<?

[rutea7]

(...) And this complaints about Lightnings hair came after the demo, before the demo i saw an ingame pic that looked pretty good but then after the demo it looked like it had droped in quality ALOT


everybody else in these forums who can b bothered to read the news threads instead of creating threads to bitch about character design knows that the demo graphics are the old version from before christmas, so the picture you saw that looked better is probably the new improved version. happy?

[1nOnly]

EDIT: everybody else in these forums who can b bothered to read the news threads instead of creating threads to bitch about character design knows that the demo graphics are the old version from before christmas, so the picture you saw that looked better is probably the new improved version. happy?

i must say that the screenshot i saw was OLDER than the demo but I must actually apoligise because i never cared to say that i was talking about the Gameplay models and not the cutscene ones.. and the latest trailer where they for the first time showed gameplay footage the graphics was still the same as the demo, and the trailer came after the demo was allready finished

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I understand that the demo version is a bit outdated but i'm just not so optimistic about that we'll see a big diffrence in graphic quality til the final version (if they dont push it til next year)
i dont remember ever playing/seing a demo that had so many litle graphical issues like that, at least a demo from this gen of gaming..

I seriusly didnt even point out all the small things i found not being even descent about the game and it causes this much drama lol ..

[Dystopia]

EDIT:

i must say that the screenshot i saw was OLDER than the demo but I must actually apoligise because i never cared to say that i was talking about the Gameplay models and not the cutscene ones.. and the latest trailer where they for the first time showed gameplay footage the graphics was still the same as the demo, and the trailer came after the demo was allready finished

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I understand that the demo version is a bit outdated but i'm just not so optimistic about that we'll see a big diffrence in graphic quality til the final version (if they dont push it til next year)
i dont remember ever playing/seing a demo that had so many litle graphical issues like that, at least a demo from this gen of gaming..

I seriusly didnt even point out all the small things i found not being even descent about the game and it causes this much drama lol ..

This....you will pay dearly for.

[Astrozombie]

STFU. IT'S A GAME. ALL GAMES HAVE GRAPHICAL IMPERFECTION.

It's not humanly or technologically possible to make "flawless" graphics.

I can't believe you're actually still defending the point of "OMG A POLYGON! WTF, I DON'T WANT TO SEE POLYGONS IN MY GAME."

[Ikkin]

If you want perfectly flawless graphics and hair physics, go build yourself a badass PC so you can play Crysis.

...does Crysis even do hair physics? Most of the screens I've seen of it involve bald guys or guys with military cuts. =P


look at this picture and tell me if you dont see anything wrong with it:rolleyes:

That's a (1) closeup on the (2) body of a (3) generic enemy model and his generic weapon, both of which are (4) intended to appear in large numbers on screen at the same time.

Sure, it might not look perfect, but it's also not the place you'd look if you want to see what Squenix can do. =P

[Hynad]

EDIT:

i must say that the screenshot i saw was OLDER than the demo but I must actually apoligise because i never cared to say that i was talking about the Gameplay models and not the cutscene ones.. and the latest trailer where they for the first time showed gameplay footage the graphics was still the same as the demo, and the trailer came after the demo was allready finished




Have you ever thought of the possibility that the trailer was actually created from the demo build (as it was)?

[shiva99]

stop the damn hating !

[Astrozombie]

No Crysis does not do hair physics, but it was an example to tell him that if he wants things that aren't possible on consoles, go build an expensive PC.

[Jay_Z]

This is bizarre. This argument is still happening? SE will be polishing the graphics at the end of the development process, like every other game developer in the industry. First they focus on the game working, implementing all the systems and such, then they'll make it look prettier. So please stop bitching.

Also, http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/1222398_1407.html

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn15/JayZee42/canckaabo.jpg

already looks better to me. . .

[rutea7]

yeah i know, everyone knows that

but aparently he couldnt b bothered to see that cause he needs something to fret about, some people need that.

[1nOnly]

@Hynad
the trailer showed gameplay that was not included in the demo so no i havent thought about that

@Ikkin
i've seen games with massive of generic enemies with better models

@Astrozombie (http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/forums/member.php?u=1853)
that is not even near flawless and i never said that the graphics should be flawless, they do many things good but because Lightning is the MAIN character i just expected her model to look better than it does


I would have understood if you would be flaming me if I had trashed the story and gameplay and those more important shit that allready seems to be good..
yes all games have their flaws and if its a low bugdet game I never put my hopes to high but since FFXIII is a very high budget game (i think) I expect it to be on pair with the other big games that I've played/seen so far.. it might be the very first really good RPG this gen but it still have way too many small issues that should'nt be there

I'm gonna give yall a brake and just wait for the final build that you claim to have fixed everything. Happy?:cloud:

[Astrozombie]

It's more than "on par" with them. Go find me a perfect model.

I wouldn't flame for you picking on something legit, like if you didn't like the story.

But you're picking on something that's fucking stupid and acting like it's a HUUGEE part of the game.

[Espada_Assassin]

@Hynad
the trailer showed gameplay that was not included in the demo so no i havent thought about that

@Ikkin
i've seen games with massive of generic enemies with better models

@Astrozombie (http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/forums/member.php?u=1853)
that is not even near flawless and i never said that the graphics should be flawless, they do many things good but because Lightning is the MAIN character i just expected her model to look better than it does


I would have understood if you would be flaming me if I had trashed the story and gameplay and those more important shit that allready seems to be good..
yes all games have their flaws and if its a low bugdet game I never put my hopes to high but since FFXIII is a very high budget game (i think) I expect it to be on pair with the other big games that I've played/seen so far.. it might be the very first really good RPG this gen but it still have way too many small issues that should'nt be there

I'm gonna give yall a brake and just wait for the final build that you claim to have fixed everything. Happy?:cloud:

The comparison pic has already raped your beliefs.

I saw some JAGGIEZ in some White Knights Chronicles screenshots, want me to post them to make you feel better?

[Ikkin]

@Ikkin
i've seen games with massive of generic enemies with better models

Screenshots would be nice. Closeup, running on a console, 720p and 30fps, with 4x anti-aliasing.

The last few bits are important, since image quality always requires a tradeoff.

...oh, and the backgrounds need to look as nice as FFXIII's, too. =P

[1nOnly]

@Ikkin
lol so you wanna tell me that you havent seen anything better? thats just stupid

@Espada_Assassin
if you would mind to check the other threads than you would notice my thoughts on the picture that just has "raped my beliefs" (you express yourself so civilized)

@Atrozombi
I never mentioned perfect. You call it stupid picking on something thats not even opinion-wise?

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now its more like you are deffending the demo like it was the final product, its no more "wait for the final build" discussion

[Hynad]

As far as I'm concerned I certainly haven't seen any console RPG that looks better than FF XIII, in its current form no less.

If you want to compare games, you should at least apply the "apples to apples, oranges to oranges" saying.

[Ikkin]

@Ikkin
lol so you wanna tell me that you havent seen anything better? thats just stupid

Than the enemy models? Sure, I've seen better. But that's as much a question of resource management than of the engine's power - those models are made to be shown at medium range, coexisting with at least three other enemy models, three hero character models, crazy spell effects going off at random, and that ridiculously-detailed background:

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/img/gmw/docs/167/921/ffxiii29.jpg

Or, alternatively, with that same background, background effects like fires and aircraft flyovers, three other enemy models, and Lightning/Snow's high-poly exploration model.

Of course they're not going to be the best enemy models ever, but that shouldn't be a knock against the game as a whole. =P

On the other hand, I think the cutscene models for the main characters are some of the best ever shown in realtime. =P The hair might be a bit off, but the facial modeling looks close to par with Advent Children even in extreme closeups (http://axts10.web.infoseek.co.jp/kusunoki/2009/04/1808.png) The only thing that compares is Heavy Rain (http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/900/900602/heavy-rain-the-origami-killer-20080820095824333.jpg) and that would be a real apples-to-oranges comparison. =P

[Plastic74]

oh lawd! why did i even check this thread...