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mercy0001
Apr 20 2009, 07:07 PM
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2191/1813.png

Althrough I watched the ending scene of the demo a lot, it did take a few days before I came to the silly conclusion, which you all know, I think.
That whole bridge has crashed down at the end of the beginning of XIII, and we know that in the Icy lake scene's and other scenes only Vanille, Sazh, Snow and Lightning are present. Yeah, in the trailer at the beginning of the demo this piece of artwork was re-shown with Sazh:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2408/sazhondahlialake.th.jpg

Althrough I watched the ending scene of the demo a lot, it did take a few days before I came to the silly conclusion, which you all know, i think:

< TEAM NORA IS DEAD >

(and smileys are the best to express how I felt when I came to this pathetic conlusion: :ohmy::D:)^_^:|>_<:(:'(:nag::'(:'(:'()

I just began to like Lebreau, Gadot and Maqui ...
Do you really think they all died?
I really hope they're alive and do their "Hero" missions without Snow, and sometimes pop up in the main game as guest characters ...
Doesn't the latest famitsu scans say something about that?? (it has a lovely Lightning drawing with Sephiroth on the cover)

I really hope they're alive ...
I even called my clan in FF tactics A2 "Clan Nora" ...
It's such a nice group
But they have to, because they're heroes ...
Isn't it??:'(


I also noticed something different: It is practicaly known that the son of the old-cathryn-avatar-woman is a fifth Nora character who joins after the events in the demo. His mother wanted that Snow took care of him, but in the ending scene where the bridge crashed, Vanilla gave a "eeek", but he stood next to her and didn't do anything,... his hands and mouth didn't move an inch. it seems he didn't really care that all thos people presumably died, and from that distance he could see his mother die easily. That whole scene didn't scare him, so I think he will be a Noctis-Lightning cool headed person, and I have a bad feeling about this ...

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5047/20e4a3b3c112d0f80743a80.jpg

Also, I've found something interesting yesterday about FF Versus XIII;
I don't know if it was posted on these forums already, but I have to mentally prepare me on the receiving and opening of my copy of the FFXIII demo in 2 days, so I don't have time to look this up but ff-xiii.net posted a few nice things which were surprising about FF Versus XIII: (it's rather long, so I've put my favorite tags around it)

"Versus XIII, not what you would expect"
http://www.ff-xiii.net/index.php?page=news&p=more&numb=373 (http://www.ff-xiii.net/index.php?page=news&p=more&numb=373)


Tetsuya Nomura has said that the story and characters for Versus XIII will not be what you expect, and that seems to have already been proven true.

After reading early reports of Noctis, seeing his character design, watching the trailers and reading scans, it appeared that Noctis would be a slightly shy, introverted, quiet character who is noble and good hearted.

While we do know scarce little about Versus XIII, a few things have been confirmed. Noctis is a Prince in his Kingdom and is about to receive the throne, Stella is an embassador from Tenebrae. They meet at a treaty signing, and this sequence was shown in the most recent trailer. Both of these characters seem to have been granted powers by the light, which is said to come from the Godess of Death to those with near death experiences.

After translating the most recent trailer, something unexpected really stood out, that being Noctis' wit and wordplay. It was reminiscent to an extent of Balthier, who had some very well written lines.


S:Lord Noctis... You can see the light...
S:Right?
S: Was that what you were looking at from downstairs?
N:... Pretty much. When did you start seeing it?
S:When I was a child.
N:A near death experience I presume?
S:Yes... you too?
N:It was pretty horrible...
S:The Goddess Etro shall open the gate welcoming the the souls of the dead.
S:When that occurs, a bright light shall shine down through the skies from the land of the dead.
S:That is the legend.
S:It's a Tenebrae legend.
N:We've got the same legend here.
S: Did the light give you power?
N:No. I don't need anything like that. I'm fine how I am.
S:I know, right?
S:No matter what kind of power it is, if it's at the cost of somebody's life...
S:It would give me nightmares.
N:Same. It's a ridiculous bedtime story... You shouldn't talk to other people about the light.
S:How come?
N:Being different from others can cause a lot of trouble...
N: Don't you think?
S:But if it's just a bedtime story, what do you think the light really is?
N:It's just something that's there.
N:Isn't that good enough?
N:Um...
S:Stella.
N:Stella... I should be going.
S:Thank you for your time, Prince Noctis.
N:Just Noct is fine.
S:... I have to go too.
S:I feel like I've received something from the light tonight.
S:... I got a chance to speak with you.
N:Well now you'll have nightmares.
S:You're mean one aren't you, Prince Noctis.
N:Noct.
S:I'll call you that the next time we meet.
S:You should come to Tenebrae some time. I'll show you around.
N:That sounds interesting. I'll think about it.
?:Who are you?
N: ... I was about to ask the same thing. (OR That's my line)


Firstly his wordplay, Noctis links back her comment about receiving something tonight to a statment she made a couple minutes earlier in conversation. Stella gets the reference, and jokingly calls him mean, she herself appreciating his wit. And then there's Noctis' final line, a voice calls out to him from what would appear to be the land of the dead, and Noctis isn't offput or disturbed, instead replying with an interesting line.

That type of dialogue isn't what would be expected from a character who has been described as shy. However Noctis' body language tells a different story in that scene. He's obviously agitated by something, whether it is his shyness coming through as he's alone with someone he doesn't know, whether he is anxious about something that hasn't been revealed to the player, or perhaps he is offput by the presence of the third being in the room (the voice in the light) from the start, especially as Stella doesn't seem to notice it.

Secondly, either both Stella and Noctis are completely ignorant of the powers they have been granted (which would appear to be the most likely scenario) or they both have not received them yet, which is odd, as they've been able to see the light since childhood. Perhaps their powers lay dormant until something activates them? Maybe there must be some type of need before they awaken?

Finally on to Stella, she was suprising in that she is not most similar to Aerith as is the common conception, but instead is more like Rinoa. She definitely isn't shy, she walks straight up to Noctis similar to how Rinoa approached Squall in the ballroom. When Stella walks she holds her hands clasped behind her back like Rinoa, and like Rinoa she jumps when she gets excited and agrees with Noctis. There is a moment in the conversation, just before she goes to leave the first time, where she lingers, not wanting to go, then afterwards she calls Noctis mean, just like Rinoa to Squall. I'm not trying to say she is based on Rinoa, but there are too many similarities (especially for a couple of minutes of footage) not to notice.

Noctis' character seems far more appealing after subbing this trailer, he looks like he could be much more than another of Square's introverted males. Hopefully the whole of Versus is as hard to pin down, if so it should make for a fantastic title.

Xion
Apr 20 2009, 07:17 PM
Probably not...None of the people seen falling off the bridge are Team Nora members, and there are some people who were not on that part of the bridge and were fine. As for them not being in the Crystal area...assuming there dead because they're not shown there is a big assumption..they clearly are not meant to be recurring party members...

As for the guy with Vanille..I think he was more shocked than anything, that happens..Sometimes when people see or hear about a traumatic event, they may appear disinterested from the pure shock..i wouldn't even make that assumption since i cant see much of his face anyway..lol

Thunder
Apr 20 2009, 07:50 PM
At the end of the trailer of the site we can clearly hera Maqui complaining about being curse by the fal'Cie and becoming l'Cie, so pheraphs he's alive.

mercy0001
Apr 20 2009, 07:57 PM
At the end of the trailer of the site we can clearly hera Maqui complaining about being curse by the fal'Cie and becoming l'Cie, so pheraphs he's alive.

Wasn't that Lightning voice???
I'm almost sure of it^_^

Xion
Apr 20 2009, 08:06 PM
Wasn't that Lightning voice???
I'm almost sure of it^_^

no that was 100% marqui.

Thunder
Apr 20 2009, 08:09 PM
Wasn't that Lightning voice???
I'm almost sure of it^_^
I suggest listen another time because its really similar to Maqui's :O

Moklin
Apr 20 2009, 08:22 PM
I dont think they would die so earlier in the game. SE said that the demo will cover the first minutes of the game and i dont think they would let this Nora chars die so earlier, we barely heard them talk, we didnt learn anything about them.
I think the new char is going to be cold/dark because we already have 3 funny/light chars ( Vannile, Snow, Sazh). Ligthning needs a friend.


LOL, that scene remind me Titanic.

cheesepizza
Apr 20 2009, 08:43 PM
At the end of the trailer of the site we can clearly hera Maqui complaining about being curse by the fal'Cie and becoming l'Cie, so pheraphs he's alive.

Actually I thought it sounded more like the son-of-the-blonde-woman :O The speech pattern doesn't fit Marquis.

Thunder
Apr 20 2009, 08:46 PM
Actually I thought it sounded more like the son-of-the-blonde-woman :O The speech pattern doesn't fit Marquis.
Never heard the son speaking :wtf:
Though i didnt think of being him the one who talks.

Shiranui Reborn
Apr 20 2009, 09:02 PM
i also thought of titanic even though ive never seen the movie lawlz
and wtf... Noct?
what kinda nickname is that?
:wtf:

Aurelia
Apr 20 2009, 09:10 PM
i also thought of titanic even though ive never seen the movie lawlz
and wtf... Noct?
what kinda nickname is that?
:wtf:

One that's BEGGING to be teased with pregnancy jokes. :cookie:

Sundance Kid
Apr 20 2009, 09:47 PM
Probably not...None of the people seen falling off the bridge are Team Nora members, and there are some people who were not on that part of the bridge and were fine. As for them not being in the Crystal area...assuming there dead because they're not shown there is a big assumption..they clearly are not meant to be recurring party members...

As for the guy with Vanille..I think he was more shocked than anything, that happens..Sometimes when people see or hear about a traumatic event, they may appear disinterested from the pure shock..i wouldn't even make that assumption since i cant see much of his face anyway..lol
Yeah agreed. I know Nomura (?) or whoever is doing XIII, mentioned NORA not being major characters but not so unimportant that they die right away. At least that's what I think.


On a side note, I seirously dont understand why that mother died when the blast was like far away it seems.

Adam Blade
Apr 20 2009, 09:54 PM
For sure Lebreau went with that kid and Dia so she should be alive... I didn't see the little Nora member and Gadot probably escaped in time unlike Snow... It's funny how he's the only survivor out of all the other people.

Sundance Kid
Apr 20 2009, 10:06 PM
For sure Lebreau went with that kid and Dia so she should be alive... I didn't see the little Nora member and Gadot probably escaped in time unlike Snow... It's funny how he's the only survivor out of all the other people.
That's how SE is.
:cookie:

rickdangerous
Apr 20 2009, 10:21 PM
That was the the opening of FF VII, when avanlance members died. I think that her mother is very special and will be in the game in one way or another, like dreams or fighting and helping out. I think nora would be good to die so soon. Its shows bad things can happen to anyone. I would like to see how the others react to these events.

Xion
Apr 20 2009, 11:01 PM
On a side note, I seirously dont understand why that mother died when the blast was like far away it seems.

she didnt die from the blast. She died when she fell...or did she? MIND BLOWN!! lol :P

Henry
Apr 20 2009, 11:16 PM
she didnt die from the blast. She died when she fell...or did she? MIND BLOWN!! lol :P
well thats a BIG question mark;)

Aurelia
Apr 20 2009, 11:18 PM
That was the the opening of FF VII, when avanlance members died. I think that her mother is very special and will be in the game in one way or another, like dreams or fighting and helping out. I think nora would be good to die so soon. Its shows bad things can happen to anyone. I would like to see how the others react to these events.


Jesse, Biggs, and Wedge didn't die until Shinra released the Sector 7 plate. :wtf:

I think you mean "his" mom. The person who called out to the MILF was clearly a boy.

Daemon
Apr 20 2009, 11:19 PM
Well, we all jumped to that conclusion anyway. At the very least she was concussed by the blast (which to me didn't actually look that far away) and lapsed unconcious when hanging from the overpass.

LOL
Apr 21 2009, 12:31 AM
Jesse, Biggs, and Wedge didn't die until Shinra released the Sector 7 plate. :wtf:

I think you mean "his" mom. The person who called out to the MILF was clearly a boy.

Yep the person was extremely short and had an annoying high pitched voice; most definitely a guy.:aldo:
But yea, they probably aren't dead and will come back later a guest characters because they aren't unimportant enough to die immediately. Besides as mentioned as Shuyu would call her, skanky pirate of course went and assisted the helpless people instead of fighting like a lot of SE's women.

cheesepizza
Apr 21 2009, 02:28 AM
Never heard the son speaking :wtf:
Though i didnt think of being him the one who talks.

Well his "Okaasan" was him talking :O His voice was distinctive :3 If it was Marqui it would have been like: "ZOMFG WE'RE DOOMED D: D: D: T_T" but this voice was more...: "*ANGER RAWR:nag:* WE'RE CURSED DAMN YOU" yea....

Speculation..... Will we ever get Jap audio Eng everything else FFs? D:

But I like the idea that Nora minus Snow all died XD

mercy0001
Apr 21 2009, 02:49 PM
Well his "Okaasan" was him talking :O His voice was distinctive :3 If it was Marqui it would have been like: "ZOMFG WE'RE DOOMED D: D: D: T_T" but this voice was more...: "*ANGER RAWR:nag:* WE'RE CURSED DAMN YOU" yea....

Speculation..... Will we ever get Jap audio Eng everything else FFs? D:


I have my doubts about that voice also...
I've listened to it verry carefully and I don't think it's Maqui either

Also, I think the EU/NA version is most likely going to have Japanese voices as an option. Since it's blu ray.

Lost Odyssey - 4dvd's dual layer = 4. 8,54GB = 34,16GB with languages: English, Japanese, German, French, Italian (5)

FFXIII - 1 blu ray = probably 50GB - Space enough

rickdangerous
Apr 21 2009, 06:18 PM
Jesse, Biggs, and Wedge didn't die until Shinra released the Sector 7 plate. :wtf:

I think you mean "his" mom. The person who called out to the MILF was clearly a boy.

My bad about the "his" thing. the sector 7 thing was the start of the game for me. I would not say she is a MILF, but when in rome as the saying goes.

Can team nora gain XP lvl's, I did not see that in the demo vid's, i would stand on the side of is team Nora Dead? yes, as Italy's debt lvl vs GNP. 120% is the answer to that one.