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mercy0001
Apr 06 2009, 01:35 PM
Yay!
Japanese crash course:

I had time so I decided to make this for those who have ordered the demo and are interested in the Japanese language. Feel free to post some other words and expressions. I will update this post a little bit over the coming days.

1. Word Order
Western languages have Subject – Verb – Object word orders:
Example – I / Am / Mercy0001
Asian languages like Japanese have Subject – Object – Verb word orders:
Example – I / Mercy0001 / Am (watashi wa mercy0001 desu)

2. Conjugation of verbs
Verbs aren’t conjugated to the person(s), but to time and various other meanings
Example: desu = I am, You are, He is, We are,…
FFXIII o asobimasu = I play FFXIII
FFXIII o asobimashita = I have played FFXIII
FFXIII o asobimasen = I don’t play FFXIII
FFXIII o asobimasen deshita = I haven’t played FFXIII (yet O_o)
FFXIII o asobitai = I want to play FFXIII
FFXIII o asobimashou = Let’s play FFXIII!
FFXIII o asobaseru = I’l let you play FFXIII
… You have a lot of these endings. They’re helpful but with a lot of exceptions and rules to remember.

3. Writing system
Japanese has 3 writing systems:
- Kanji (mainly used. They’re hard to remember, have different readings and you need to know at least 2000 of them to properly read something … Easy isn’t it?
- Hiragana ( Used for verb endings, special typical words, particles (see below)
- Katakana: Used for Western words. The writing system is fairly easy and the pronounciation Is close to the Western word.
- (Romaji: this is the closest translation from the Japanese characters to the alphabet. With this foreinger’s who could also read the characters, even if they don’t know them. Example: ファイナルファンタジー = Fainaru Fantajī.)

I would at least advise you to learn Katakana. It’s possible to learn how to memorize in one week and is used a lot in games. (FFXIII battle system also.)

4. Particles
Words in Japanese sentences are tied together with particles after the word. Even if you don’t know any Japanese these could come in handy to understand the root of a sentence. Here are some of the mostly used (again like verb endings there are a lot …)

- Wa = marks the subject of a sentence (hiragana: ha)
- O = In dutch it is called “lijdend voorwerp” I don’t know it in English and am too lazy an tired to look it up. It basically marks the word which is used by the verb. (example: Yochi Wada o tabemasu = I eat Yochi Wada)
- De = Marks a place where you are or where an event will happen.
- Ni = marks the place where you’re going to go (example: nihon ni ikimasu = I’m going TO Japan)
- Ni = ni is also used to mark days of the week, numerical time expressions and months.
- E = same as ni for movement (hiragana: he)
- No = connects 2 nouns
- Ka = makes a question from your sentence !! (this is important)
- Mo = means that someone Also does the action mentioned earlier.
- Yo = to state that you really are sure of something (example FFX ga arimasu yo = I really have FFX)
- Ne = used to ask for confirmation at end of your sentence
- To = Means: and, together with.
- Also there is ‘ga’ but consider for now that it is something like wa. Also it means: but (to connect two sentences)

5. Numbers
Numbers are easy in Japanese.
1-10
Ichi = 1
Ni = 2
San = 3
Yon / shi = 4
Go = 5
Roku = 6
Shichi / nana = 7
Hachi = 8
Kyuuu / ku = 9
Juu = 10

11-19 (10+?)
Juuichi = 11 (10+1)
Juuni = 12 (10+2)
Juusan = 13 (10+3)


20-90 (2,3,… * 10)
Nijuu = 20 (2*10)
Sanjuu = 30 (3*10)
Yonjuu = 40 (4*10)


100-900 (1,2,… *100)
Hyaku = 100
Nihyaku = 200 (2*100)
Gohyaku = 500 (5*100)
Exceptions: sambyaku = 300 // roppyaku = 600 // happyaku = 800


Now you could already make some complex numbers:
Kyuuhyaku kyujuu kyuu = 999 ((9*100)+(9*10)+(9)) <Used in Agito trailer at beginning>

1000-9000 (1,2,… * 1000)
Sen = 1000
Nisen = 2000 (2*1000)
Yonsen = 4000 (4*1000)
Exceptions: sanzen = 3000 // hassen = 8000

10.000 – 90.000 (1,2,… * man) man = counter for 10.000
Ichiman = 10,000 (1*man)
Niman = 20.000 (2 * man)


Japanese hasn’t a counter for millions. They say 100*10.000 = hyakuman …
Now you could form some really sweet numbers:

234567 = 23 *10.000 (nijuusanman)
4*1000 (yonsen)
5*100 (gohyaku)
6*10 (rokujuu)
7 (nana)
= nijuusanman yonsen gohyaku rokujuu nana
I wonder if the combos in XIII will also be so high.

6. The good parts about Japanese + some good websites
As you have seen, Japanese is a difficult language with lots of exceptions, rules and difficult writing systems. Of course there are also some benefits to the Japanese language (no female/male words, no plurals, easy to go sentences, good websites…) Our languages (French, English, German, Dutch,…) are Level 1 languages while Japanese is a level 3 language. Still the language fascinates me and I continue to learn it every day, thanks to great study books, but also with the help of some great website’s. If someone wants some better information I would advise the following websites:

http://www.kanjistep.com/ (http://www.kanjistep.com/)
This is the website where I first learned Hiragana and katakana. It’s a great site with good explanations and examples. Be sure to check it out.

http://thejapanesepage.com/ (http://thejapanesepage.com/)
This is probably one of the best sources to find information on Japanese. It has everything: Good grammar, vocabulary, writing,…

http://japanese.about.com/od/japaneselessons/u/StartLearning.htm (http://japanese.about.com/od/japaneselessons/u/StartLearning.htm)
About.com is a website which I visit a lot because there are a lot of free courses for almost everything. The Japanese section is brilliant and includes a lot of thing. I recommend this to learn something more about Japanese.

http://www.timwerx.net/language/jpverbs/ (http://www.timwerx.net/language/jpverbs/)
This website covers all the Japanese verb endings and is extremely useful.

Here I typed some of the important Kanji you might face during the demo of FFXIII. Feel free to post some more and I will add them to me original post, because I’m still learning and don’t know every kanji yet,

Useful Japanese Words/Kanji/Phrases for Final Fantasy XIII (unordered)

人= Person
友達= Friend(s)
仕事= Job, work
任務= Task
私= I
貴方/あなた = You
貴様/きさま= You (very mean, hateful)
かばん/鞄= Bag,briefcase
靴 = Shoes
武器/ぶき/ウエポン= Weapon
頭/あたま= Head
アクセサリー = Accessories
キャラクタ(ー) = Character
おねがいします/ください = Please (give me)
時間 = Time
映画/ムービー= Movie/trailer
行く= Go
帰る= Return
聞く= Hear, ask
読む= Read
見る= See, look, watch
早く= Quik!, hurry
速い= Fast
全然 = Never
大抵= Usually
時々= Sometimes
でも = But...
子供 = Child
机 = Desk
手紙 = Letter
町 = Town, city
…の時 = When …
会う= Meet
待つ = Wait
どうして= Why?
何 = What?
いつ = When?
どこ = Where?
どれ/どの = Which one/Which…
この/これ = This …/This one 
その/それ = That …/That one
だれ= Who?
どうやって= How?
一人で = Alone
右 = Right
左 = Left
前 = Front
後ろ = Back
中 = Inside,middle
上 = On
下 = Under, below
隣 = Next
あいだ = Between
ここ = Here
そこ = There
海 = Sea
天気 = Weather
食べ物 = Food
飲み物 = Drinks
僕 = I (used by men)
旅行 = Travel
新しい = New
暑い = Hot
忙しい = Busy
大きい = Large, big
面白い = Interesting
怖い = Frightening
寒い = Cold
楽しい = Fun
小さい = Small
つまらない = Boring
古い = Old
難しい = Difficult
やさしい = Easy, kind
家 = House
あの… = Um…
嫌い = Dislike
きれい= Beautiful, clean
元気 = Healthy, energetic
静か = Quiet
好き= Like
大嫌い = To hate
大好き = To love
にぎやか = Lively
ハンサム = Handsome
暇 = Not busy
乗る= to ride, to board (airship??)
よる = to perform
出かける= to go out
電車= Train
急ぐ = to hurry
死ぬ= to die
手伝う= to help
入る = to enter
持つ= to Carry, to hold
忘れる = To forget
降りる = To get ooff
開ける = To open
なくす= to lose
始める = To begin
知っています= I know
知りません = I don’t know
持って行く = To take something
世界 = World

Useful expressions:
分かりません = I don’t understand
だから= So, Therefore …
すごい/スゴイ = Cool
はい= Yes
いいえ = No
みんな = Everyone, all
やった = I did it!
もちろん = Of course
大丈夫 = It’s okay, Don’t worry
一緒に= Together
助けて= Help
ありがとう/どうも = Thanks you / Thanks
がんばって = Good luck
〜から= because …
結構です = That wouldn’t be necessary
すぐ = Right away
本当ですか = Really?
残念= That’s too bad
もう= Already (Vanille said this in a screenshot!)


スノウ、早く! 電車に乗って! 
Snow, Hayaku! Densha ni notte! = Snow,Hurry, get on that train!

If you want to know the pronunciation of the kanji and hiragana, visit this link and copy the kanji or hiragana in the textbox. You could translate it to hiragana and romaji:
http://nihongo.j-talk.com/parser/ (http://nihongo.j-talk.com/parser/)


I hope every one is able to read Katakana and know a little bit of Japanese when the demo comes out. If you really are interrested in Japanese, visit http://www.thejapanshop.com/home.php (http://www.thejapanshop.com/home.php) and buy a good language book. I use Genki, which are personally the best I’ve seen so far because there are a lot of exercises and clear grammar explanations. I’m still learning Japanese, but feel free to pm or mail me (mercy0001@live.be (mercy0001@live.be)) if you have any further questions.

Roerbakei
Apr 06 2009, 03:53 PM
Wow, that's really interesting. Thanks! I'll be checking those sites. :)

P.S. Volgens mij ben jij ook Nederlands. Klopt dat :P?

mercy0001
Apr 06 2009, 04:40 PM
Wow, that's really interesting. Thanks! I'll be checking those sites. :)

P.S. Volgens mij ben jij ook Nederlands. Klopt dat :P?
Ja dat klopt.:)

pupucachi
Apr 06 2009, 04:46 PM
Lol, it must have taken a lot of time to write this. I cant buy any version of FFXIII, but thank you anyway :D

Zeromous99
Apr 06 2009, 07:05 PM
Man no eng lang for demo not that im surprised but was holding out a little but oh well guess im gonna have to brush up on my japanease no worries,i knew it was a longshot anyways.

Ram
Apr 06 2009, 07:17 PM
Ja dat klopt.:)

Lang leve Holland! (en België natuurlijk ook een beetje...^_^)

Ontopic: It's just sad that you don't learn japanese on school, why all the europian languages (dutch, german, french, english, latin, >_<Greek>_<)?

mercy0001
Apr 06 2009, 08:07 PM
Lang leve Holland! (en België natuurlijk ook een beetje...^_^)

Ontopic: It's just sad that you don't learn japanese on school, why all the europian languages (dutch, german, french, english, latin, >_<Greek>_<)?

Omdat het meestal buurlanden zijn ...
Ik vind het ook erg spijtig... Men mocht voor mij ook wat aziatische talen op school aanleren.

S-r-ex
Apr 06 2009, 08:49 PM
Greit, da holder vi faens kjeft med alle andre språk enn engelsk og japansk (Fine, then we'll shut the fuck up with all other languages than English and Japanese!)

Damn, I should find some real japanese course and complete it. For the moment, I know a few words that all japanophiles know, but at least I should learn to speak it...

Highwind
Apr 07 2009, 03:38 AM
Amazing and informative list. That's actually more concise and clear that most textbooks. Kudos!

http://smart.fm is also a great site for learning Japanese. It's free, has a 10-part Japanese course along with hirigana and katakana courses. It's based on an idea called spaced repetition - meaning that you learn something, then repeat it in a day or so, then repeat a couple weeks later. This apparently reduces wasted repetitions as it closely follows your natural memory retention rate. Dunno if it's true, but I'm very happy with my progress.

I used http://www.realkana.com/ to learn both katakana and hirigana in about 3 days. Just pick 10 each and practice till you get them all right, then 10 different ones, then both together, then add 10 more, etc. (This was about 6 hours of study) I practice all of them for about 10 minutes a day to keep it fresh and speed my recognition.

My goal is to be able to play the Japanese release and UNDERSTAND it (mostly) when it comes out at xmas. 8 months, it's worth a shot :lol:

Daemon
Apr 07 2009, 03:52 AM
I welcome the refresher. It's very thorough - good job!

tanton18
Apr 07 2009, 09:02 PM
Anyone recognise my language: Zdravo ja sam tanton18. govori li netko hrvatski?

Highwind
Apr 07 2009, 11:05 PM
Anyone recognise my language: Zdravo ja sam tanton18. govori li netko hrvatski?

ya govaro nimnoga poe russki.

But I was an exchange student about 15 years ago. $2/liter vodka ftw!

AnimeGirlPrincess
Apr 08 2009, 12:31 PM
That....is alot. Wow....I never knew Jaoanese was complex!

Now I know.....*sighs*

Wandering Hands
Apr 08 2009, 12:40 PM
Japanese isn't complex, it's just a very, very--...
... Nah, actually, it is complex. 40 million different ways of saying one thing...

AnimeGirlPrincess
Apr 08 2009, 01:14 PM
XD yeah I know. I know one of my friends who came from America a Year ago and she says the Alphabet is easier than her lang.

She had to know Kanji and Hiragana because her parents made her.

Plus it was for her school.....

Hynad
Apr 08 2009, 01:20 PM
The most difficult thing for most people is the pronunciation.

It is said that french people manage to speak Japanese more easily than English people because of the similarity it has with Japanese pronunciation.


Also, what is this Level 1-3 nonsense.

Our languages (French, English, German, Dutch,…) are Level 1 languages while Japanese is a level 3 language.
If you're referring to the ILR scale, then you really don't understand the concept.

tanton18
Apr 08 2009, 02:26 PM
ya govaro nimnoga poe russki.

But I was an exchange student about 15 years ago. $2/liter vodka ftw!

Sorry, but it's not russian...:( it's croatian. noone knows it...:'(

AnimeGirlPrincess
Apr 09 2009, 12:17 AM
I still say Japanese is really hard. I mean it depends on how you do. I can tell that Japanese are really educated from learning two langs. and that's their own Country!

Which one was reserved for the men?

Hiragana? Or Kanji?

Little Miss Scarlett
Apr 09 2009, 12:46 AM
The most difficult thing for most people is the pronunciation.

It is said that french people manage to speak Japanese more easily than English people because of the similarity it has with Japanese pronunciation.


Also, what is this Level 1-3 nonsense.

If you're referring to the ILR scale, then you really don't understand the concept.


Are you kidding? :lol: Pronunciation is by far the easiest part, there's hardly anything to it. There aren't that many in my Japanese class, but everyone bar one person got the pronunciation down pretty quickly, and the person who hasn't is one of those annoying people that go to a foreign country and think that everyone'll be able to understand them if they speak REALLY LOUDLY :wtf: Annoying git...

Kanji's a milion times harder, I can only remember like, 3 other than numbers and days of the week ;;

Mercy, thanks a lot for doing this ^_^ I'm not getting the demo, but I've got all my exams next month, so this could be quite useful.

AnimeGirlPrincess
Apr 09 2009, 01:04 AM
Are you kidding? :lol: Pronunciation is by far the easiest part, there's hardly anything to it. There aren't that many in my Japanese class, but everyone bar one person got the pronunciation down pretty quickly, and the person who hasn't is one of those annoying people that go to a foreign country and think that everyone'll be able to understand them if they speak REALLY LOUDLY :wtf: Annoying git...

Kanji's a milion times harder, I can only remember like, 3 other than numbers and days of the week ;;

Mercy, thanks a lot for doing this ^_^ I'm not getting the demo, but I've got all my exams next month, so this could be quite useful.


That's great.....I can't even speak my own lang. for God's sake! I'm Lao.....I think I'm losing my culture.....I think Japanese is not so bad after all.......hmmmm......:|

LOL
Apr 09 2009, 01:13 AM
I still say Japanese is really hard. I mean it depends on how you do. I can tell that Japanese are really educated from learning two langs. and that's their own Country!

Which one was reserved for the men?

Hiragana? Or Kanji?

Hiragana was originally used by women and kanji by men but men and women have used both for a while now.

AnimeGirlPrincess
Apr 09 2009, 01:18 AM
Thanks! I knew it was something like that. I wonder, why did they restrict the lang to the women and men?

Highwind
Apr 09 2009, 11:28 PM
Sorry, but it's not russian...:( it's croatian. noone knows it...:'(

Sorry :D Some of those words are really close!

seto
May 13 2009, 04:03 AM
It is said that french people manage to speak Japanese more easily than English people because of the similarity it has with Japanese pronunciation.

Really? I thought the sounds were closest to Spanish? Oh well, doesn't matter. Anyways, thanks for putting that together.

Alazais
Jun 10 2009, 03:25 AM
This is really useful stuff, thanks.

DarkRapture
Jun 14 2009, 08:02 PM
Japanese is pretty easy for the most part. Once you know the basics you can start picking it up pretty easily. The hard parts are knowing how to say a word the different ways you can. For example Watashi ("I" Formally) Boku (Male only "I" informally), Ore ( Male only "I" very informal), and Atashi (Female only "I" very informal). There actually could be more way's to say it, but I am not at an expert level to know. The other hard part is memorizing the important kanji. If your good a memorization though you should know Hiragana, and Katakana pretty quickly. Took me only a few weeks to get it down. However it is easier for me since my girflriend is Japanese, and I go there once a year and mingle with her culture.

mercy0001
Jun 14 2009, 09:11 PM
Thank's I'm surprised that this thread is still active! After my exams I'm going to start my Japanese courses again (In a few weeks, I'm looking forward to it!, I've kept it on hold for 25 days!) And yeah, It's a pretty simple language, but that's also the little demon of the Japanese language, sometimes there are things which you may not literally translate:

Literally "Otousan wa shigoto desu" means "My dad is work", but Japanese people see it as "My dad is at his work/My dad is working"

Also there are a lot of verb endings, which are handy, but sometimes hard to form, and then I'm not even speaking about the countless Kanji with double meanings and exceptions that you need to know>_<

I'm 15 years old (that's a shocker, isn't it?:lol:), so I would be happy if I would be able to finished two Japanese course books -normally on 2 years of university- in 3 years of time on my own in my own pace. Then (when I'm 18) I might consider taking advanced/intermediate lessons with a teacher. I also would like to do some sort of (digital) exam and get a certificate that I master the language on a specific level.

Thanks for all your tips and nice reactions!

DarkRapture
Jun 14 2009, 10:11 PM
Thank's I'm surprised that this thread is still active! After my exams I'm going to start my Japanese courses again (In a few weeks, I'm looking forward to it!, I've kept it on hold for 25 days!) And yeah, It's a pretty simple language, but that's also the little demon of the Japanese language, sometimes there are things which you may not literally translate:

Literally "Otousan wa shigoto desu" means "My dad is work", but Japanese people see it as "My dad is at his work/My dad is working"

Also there are a lot of verb endings, which are handy, but sometimes hard to form, and then I'm not even speaking about the countless Kanji with double meanings and exceptions that you need to know>_<

I'm 15 years old (that's a shocker, isn't it?:lol:), so I would be happy if I would be able to finished two Japanese course books -normally on 2 years of university- in 3 years of time on my own in my own pace. Then (when I'm 18) I might consider taking advanced/intermediate lessons with a teacher. I also would like to do some sort of (digital) exam and get a certificate that I master the language on a specific level.

Thanks for all your tips and nice reactions!

Actually "My dad is working" is "Watashi no (my) otou-san (dad) wa (is) shigoto o shite imasu (working). "Otou-san wa shigoto desu" just means "Dad is work"...which does not make sense. It would not be an example of what does not literaly translate into English. Another hard part about Japanese is the particles you must memorize, and also knowing when to use the aff, neg, past tense, and neg past tense. They can be hard at first, but after you memorize them the language kind of clicks together inside your head. Also the language is kind of similar to Spanish because of the sentence structure. Spanish, and Japanese talk about the focus first then the rest afterwards. For example in English we would say "I do not want to go to school because I have a headache" where in Japanese it would be "Atama ga itai desu kara gakko kimasen" (which translates into "Because of headache, I do not go to school")...However sometimes it is like English. One more example is.... "This apple is big = Konno (this) ringo (apple) wa (is) okii (big) desu"... Muzukashii deshou?:lol:

Alazais
Jun 15 2009, 01:13 AM
Thank's I'm surprised that this thread is still active! After my exams I'm going to start my Japanese courses again (In a few weeks, I'm looking forward to it!, I've kept it on hold for 25 days!) And yeah, It's a pretty simple language, but that's also the little demon of the Japanese language, sometimes there are things which you may not literally translate:

Literally "Otousan wa shigoto desu" means "My dad is work", but Japanese people see it as "My dad is at his work/My dad is working"

Also there are a lot of verb endings, which are handy, but sometimes hard to form, and then I'm not even speaking about the countless Kanji with double meanings and exceptions that you need to know>_<

I'm 15 years old (that's a shocker, isn't it?:lol:), so I would be happy if I would be able to finished two Japanese course books -normally on 2 years of university- in 3 years of time on my own in my own pace. Then (when I'm 18) I might consider taking advanced/intermediate lessons with a teacher. I also would like to do some sort of (digital) exam and get a certificate that I master the language on a specific level.

Thanks for all your tips and nice reactions!

You're 15 :blink:
That makes two 15 year olds who've shown me up in the language department today and I'm 22, Europe mainland must be way better at teaching language skills, or I just suck. When I was back at school here in the UK we had a grand old choice of German or French (yay...) and now I see my very same school even offers Japanese now, just a few years later (damnit!)

*sigh*

I'd found the picking up of verbal use of Japanese actually a lot easier then when I tried German or French in school, probably also down to me actually being motivated too but when it comes to the writing/reading part of Japanese I kind of just scratched my head and felt like an idiot. So yeah, I've found this thread throughily useful.

Ram
Jun 15 2009, 03:21 PM
^Yes, we get a LOT of language lessons at school.

mercy0001
Jun 15 2009, 03:34 PM
^Yes, we get a LOT of language lessons at school.

Also Japanese? Normally you only learn the languages from your surrounding countries (for me: dutch(moedertaal), - french(2nd), English(3rd), German(4th)) isn't it? Don't you get Japanese art history/culture in dutch universities?

DarkRapture
Jun 15 2009, 05:43 PM
Also Japanese? Normally you only learn the languages from your surrounding countries (for me: dutch(moedertaal), - french(2nd), English(3rd), German(4th)) isn't it? Don't you get Japanese art history/culture in dutch universities?

I think that depends on where you live in your country. Typically in the USA you are supposed to learn French, or Spanish as your second language, but now a day's you can learn Chinese, Korean, Japanese, German, Russian, and even Arabic depending on what city you live in. I also knew back in my parents day they used to teach Latin, but as of right now I think that language is dying out....

Ram
Jun 15 2009, 07:25 PM
Also Japanese? Normally you only learn the languages from your surrounding countries (for me: dutch(moedertaal), - french(2nd), English(3rd), German(4th)) isn't it? Don't you get Japanese art history/culture in dutch universities?

No asian languages. For now it's: Dutch, french, english, german, latin, greek.

That's 16 hours a week for me, around half of the classes that I have. Still, I think that it does certainly help to let you understand more languages grammaticaly.