How can both versions be identical?

[Chicat]

We know that final fantasy XIII will be utilizing the playstation 3's capabilities once it's being released in japan. But kitase says that both the english xbox 360 and playstation 3 versions will be identical.

How could they be identical? The playstation 3 has the cell processor and the xbox 360 doesn't. So how could they make them identical if one version will utilise the playstation 3?

[Thunder]

Use your immagination and find the answer :cathryn:

[Moklin]

FFXIII is being made utilising a pc and it will be ported for ps3 and xbox360. I read that somewhere.

[Thunder]

Agito XIII

[Neal]

Versus XIII
What? Get out.

How could they be identical? The playstation 3 has the cell processor and the xbox 360 doesn't. So how could they make them identical if one version will utilise the playstation 3?

They can't. It's impossible to use the PS3 to its full ability as they keep saying they are, and have the exact same thing on the 360. They're bullshitting so PS3 fans dont think theyre getting a donwgraded version, which we will be.

Imagine if the PS3 version looked amazing and the 360 version looked meh. People would be so pissed off. If anything the 360 version will probably get exclusive downloadable content. :cookie:

[Whiplash]

It's just sales puff, they won't be using the PS3 to it's full potential but it's not like they can come out and say, "Hey guys, it'll look about average to be honest but you really should buy it." Doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it?

[mercy0001]

FFXIII will be better on PS3. They're going to use the most of the PS3 and the most of the xbox 360. Still the PS3 version will be slightly better.

[Chicat]

They won't use the playstation 3's fullest potential yet (because the technology is still young), BUT they will utilize it. Meaning they will use the system's capabilities what the xbox 360 couldn't deliver. That's what confused me when they said they will be identical. For them to say that is like them saying "after we released the better and more advanced version in japan, we will downgrade the game for the english version so that the xbox 360 can handle it".

If the english playstation 3 version turns out to be the actual xbox 360 port, rather than the original japanese version, then this will be a disappointment. Because we will get the limited version. Whilest japan gets the full version.

[Hynad]

They didn't state that the 360 version will identical.

Here:

Kikizo: It's well known by now that FFXIII is no longer PS3 exclusive. Some PS3 fans are extremely disappointed, and have become quite vocal about their dissatisfaction. What would you say to them?

Hashimoto: I'd rather they not think of this as a "betrayal" or disappointment. It's not like we're canceling or delaying the PS3 version at all! It's more of an added bonus for 360 fans. We won't be putting them at a disadvantage in any way.

Kitase: I'd like to add... I think that maybe because it's going multi-platform that some fans are worried about the game's scope being reduced to fit onto both consoles. The fact is, the PS3 version is what's in development right now, and the team is working to specialize that version to the very best of the PS3's abilities. After that, we'll do the 360 port and optimize it to that particular hardware. There will be no decrease in quality as a result of the game appearing across two platforms.Basically, Kitase explains that the original version won't be downgraded to fit the specs of the 360. It will still be optimized for the PS3 and THEN they will work on optimizing it for the 360. So if the PS3 is more capable than the 360, if their claim about "specializing it to the very best of the PS3" is true and not just some "hyping" blathering, then we'll soon see which system is the most capable.

[Neal]

It's just sales puff, they won't be using the PS3 to it's full potential but it's not like they can come out and say, "Hey guys, it'll look about average to be honest but you really should buy it." Doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it?
"...to the best of our engines ability which tries to utilise the full power of the PS3"

Means the same thing in a better way. They probably did say something along those lines, fan translations are shit afterall :cookie:

[rutea7]

FFXIII is being made utilising a pc and it will be ported for ps3 and xbox360. I read that somewhere.


uuuh... all games are programed and developed using computers... as far as i know. its not a port, otherwise all games are ported. and believe me i think they used more than one pc, it would b pretty bad and awkward if the whole team had to share one pc. LOL

[Aurelia]

uuuh... all games are programed and developed using computers... as far as i know. its not a port, otherwise all games are ported. and believe me i think they used more than one pc, it would b pretty bad and awkward if the whole team had to share one pc. LOL


YOU LIE. EVERYONE KNOWS YOU CAN MAKE GAMES USING OTHER ELECTRONIC MEDIA SUCH AS A TOASTER OR A MICROWAVE. BECAUSE IF YOU MAKE GAMES ON A PC THEN IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE ON THE PC AND EVENTUALLY THE XBAWKS, RETARDO. DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT WII GAMES ARE CREATED FROM USING THE ORIGINAL NES AS ITS PROCESSOR OR WHATEVER IT'S FUCKING CALLED? I BET YOU DIDN'T. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE EXCLUSIVE.

[Neal]

YOU LIE. EVERYONE KNOWS YOU CAN MAKE GAMES USING OTHER ELECTRONIC MEDIA SUCH AS A TOASTER OR A MICROWAVE. BECAUSE IF YOU MAKE GAMES ON A PC THEN IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE ON THE PC AND EVENTUALLY THE XBAWKS, RETARDO. DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT WII GAMES ARE CREATED FROM USING THE ORIGINAL NES AS ITS PROCESSOR OR WHATEVER IT'S FUCKING CALLED? I BET YOU DIDN'T. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE EXCLUSIVE.
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[Dark Chaos]

It doesn't matter if one system has better graphics than the other if you own a old tv.....
good quality comes from good tvs,keep that in mind....

[Hynad]

There are things called dev kits. At this point in time, S-E said they were working with the PC to do all their work, and then port the whole thing using the PS3 dev kits. In essence, it means the codes aren't PS3 specific to begin with (which would include the spreading of the code through the Cell's SPEs).

That's the reason I doubt the game will really be optimized for the PS3. But we don't know how their Crystal Tools work, so only time will tell.

[Aurelia]

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I love you too~ <3

There are things called dev kits. At this point in time, S-E said they were working with the PC to do all their work, and then port the whole thing using the PS3 dev kits. In essence, it means the codes aren't PS3 specific to begin with (which would include the spreading of the code through the Cell's SPEs).

That's the reason I doubt the game will really be optimized for the PS3. But we don't know how their Crystal Tools work, so only time will tell.

Wh-what?? You mean they're not using a toaster to create their games???

[Neal]

It doesn't matter if one system has better graphics than the other if you own a old tv.....
good quality comes from good tvs,keep that in mind....
What the fuck? So if I play one game on my Sony Bravia (7,000:1) and play the same game on my mum's Samsung (50,000:1) the graphics will improve? :wtf: The colours will, that is all.

A games graphics are fuck all to do with your TV.

[Zezlar]

The PS3 version will be better. Do you want to know why?

Tis because it's on the CELL BABY!!!! THE CELL!!!!!!!! WUAHAHAHA.

[Hynad]

That's the case for all the games on the PS3(duh), yet games like Resident Evil 5 still look better on the 360 (especially the textures).

[Zezlar]

Thats not the PS3s fault, that's the developers being lazy and taking short cuts.

[Hynad]

Yeah yeah yeah, we hear that from every fanboys around. Truth is though, Capcom has never been known for being a lazy developer. All their flagship titles take advantage of the consoles they're on.

So believe what you will, I will base my judgment on the results (which has been less than stellar for the PS3 so far) rather than on empty fanboys ramblings.

[Zezlar]

Well Hynad I expected you to pull the "fanboy" card. I am not a fanboy, I do own a PS3 and 360. There is a thread on the site of me asking people many questions about the 360 so I could buy one. Also I have tried many multiplatform games and MY preference is too always play them on the PS3. I enjoy it better.

Also I do believe that some developers are lazy when it comes to the PS3 because of development costs. They CAN do better, but they choose not to. BUT I am not te type of person to bitch and moan about every little flaw in a game like most people. Alot of games released from SE this generation are considered horrible by most people, but I like and enjoy them.

BTW the only console I hate this generation is that stupid over priced DVD drive with motion control!

[Hynad]

Yeah sure, but at this point in time, I think it's pretty fair to believe that most of the major developers have gotten a really good grasp of the PS3 architecture. Sure, visuals will still improve as time goes by and better techniques are learned, just like with every game console out there.

I just think that throwing the "devs are lazy" card at this point is showing a lack of insight. If the PS3 was really cabable of achieving more than the 360, I wonder why we haven't seen one game that pulled it of. People will throw the "exclusive" card at me, pointing at games like Uncharted, Killzone 2 and the likes, yet there are no evidence that those game couldn't have been done as good if not better on the 360 since they are indeed exclusive to the PS3.

The only thing that we can do is watch the multi-platform titles and judge from there. So far, the only game I know that was better on the PS3 was Oblivion. And that's because the game came out nearly a year after the 360 version and Bethesta had more time to polish it.

[Zezlar]

Well i'm not the type of person to pull the exclusive card on consoles but I do believe the PS3 does have better exclusives this generation. But that doesn't mean MS doesn't have one hell of a library. But TBH I would really have liked to see if the 360 could run KZ2. Microsoft claims it can do better, but wasn't it confirmed that the 360s power was maxed out with Gears 2?

Sucks that I will never see the KZ2 on 360 thing though. Only time will tell with FF13. I do believe that the PS3 version will be slighty better then the 360 counter part, but not by alot. Basically because SE has to compress the game for the Dual layer DVDs and compressing usually is bad.

[Hynad]

HD DVDs...

The 360 doesn't use HD DVDs. It uses Dual Layer DVDs (8.5GB).

[Neal]

LLO L

[Little Miss Scarlett]

I think I remember reading some article saying that Sony purposefully made the PS3 complicated to develop for so there were more options to use, or something. So basically we'd only get games that 'used the Ps3 to it's full potential' after developers were completely used to it. Or something.

At first it just sounded like they shot themselves in the balls, but it kinda made sense when someone explained it. I might look for it if I can be arsed.

[Raidori]

Yeah I saw the same article in a thread at gametrailers

[Zezlar]

I do believe that is what happened. I know Sony had some arrogance at the beginning of this generation. They destroyed themselves this generation. I do not deny that at all. I am actually GLAD it happened. It served them a lesson and now they are putting out quality in order to work back up to the top. I can forgive Sony. I just hope that they learned there lesson and don't do it again. You have to learn from your mistakes.

[Raidori]

Yeah, everyone makes mistakes. And learning from them and moving will only make you stronger.

Also they wont be completely identical, remember the 360 version should have like 3-4 discs and maybe even slower load times so the best system to get it on is still PS3

[SANAO]

hahahaa loll

[Azure Presul]

hahahaa loll
Really? That's all you have to say?

Anyway to the point. It doesn't matter one way or the other. As long as FFXIII is enjoyed by people on both ends then I'm happy.

PS: Someone tell when the XBox 360 loses its RROD issue, I might consider buying one then.

[Thunder]

Why is this topic being read? D:

[Zeromous99]

That's the case for all the games on the PS3(duh), yet games like Resident Evil 5 still look better on the 360 (especially the textures).


played and beat through both versions of re5 for ps3 and xbox360 and you can argue this all you want ps3 version is hands down BETTER by far i own all systems and can tell you buy resident evil 5 for ps3 bc it is the better version omg both are great but ps3 version better in every way and i really dont care if you dont agree unless youve already played them graphics are definitely better on ps3 criper clearer true 1080p ps3 ftw!!aLSO STARTING UP A MULTIPLAYER GAME WHILE YOU ARE IN 1 PLAYER CAMPAIN IS SO MUCH EASIER THAN 360 ITS RIDICULOUS 360 INTERFACE IS SUCH A PAIN IN THE ASS WITH SIGN IN FIND STORAGE CONNECT TO INTERNET SAVE OVER YOUR SAVE AND ERASE YOUR SHIT AWWWWW I LOST ALL MY 360 SAVES WHEN ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS MOVE THEM WHAT THE HELL THAT TYPE OF STUFF!!!!



FUCK PUNCUATION : P


fANBOYS : a WORD SOMEONE USES WHEN THEY FIND THEMSELVES ON THE OPOSITE SIDE OF AN ARGUEMENT!

[Thunder]

played and beat through both versions of re5 for ps3 and xbox360 and you can argue this all you want ps3 version is hands down BETTER by far i own all systems and can tell you buy resident evil 5 for ps3 bc it is the better version omg both are great but ps3 version better in every way and i really dont care if you dont agree unless youve already played them graphics are definitely better on ps3 criper clearer true 1080p ps3 ftw!!aLSO STARTING UP A MULTIPLAYER GAME WHILE YOU ARE IN 1 PLAYER CAMPAIN IS SO MUCH EASIER THAN 360 ITS RIDICULOUS 360 INTERFACE IS SUCH A PAIN IN THE ASS WITH SIGN IN FIND STORAGE CONNECT TO INTERNET SAVE OVER YOUR SAVE AND ERASE YOUR SHIT AWWWWW I LOST ALL MY 360 SAVES WHEN ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS MOVE THEM WHAT THE HELL THAT TYPE OF STUFF!!!!



FUCK PUNCUATION : P


fANBOYS : a WORD SOMEONE USES WHEN THEY FIND THEMSELVES ON THE OPOSITE SIDE OF AN ARGUEMENT!
I just wanted to point out that you forget to capitalize the red letters.
Be more careful next time.

[Adam Blade]

Err reserve judgment till the game's out?

[Espada_Assassin]

If the english playstation 3 version turns out to be the actual xbox 360 port, rather than the original japanese version, then this will be a disappointment. Because we will get the limited version. Whilest japan gets the full version.


Eh? Not gonna happen, the 360 port wouldnt work on the PS3 :P Since its tuned to 360 hardware.

The Jap version will be localized for the west since its already working on PS3 hardware....

[Hynad]

played and beat through both versions of re5 for ps3 and xbox360 and you can argue this all you want ps3 version is hands down BETTER by far i own all systems and can tell you buy resident evil 5 for ps3 bc it is the better version omg both are great but ps3 version better in every way and i really dont care if you dont agree unless youve already played them graphics are definitely better on ps3 criper clearer true 1080p ps3 ftw!!aLSO STARTING UP A MULTIPLAYER GAME WHILE YOU ARE IN 1 PLAYER CAMPAIN IS SO MUCH EASIER THAN 360 ITS RIDICULOUS 360 INTERFACE IS SUCH A PAIN IN THE ASS WITH SIGN IN FIND STORAGE CONNECT TO INTERNET SAVE OVER YOUR SAVE AND ERASE YOUR SHIT AWWWWW I LOST ALL MY 360 SAVES WHEN ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS MOVE THEM WHAT THE HELL THAT TYPE OF STUFF!!!!



FUCK PUNCUATION : P


fANBOYS : a WORD SOMEONE USES WHEN THEY FIND THEMSELVES ON THE OPOSITE SIDE OF AN ARGUEMENT!


Oh my, do you actually believe in your bullshit?



And I'm quite laughing my ass off here, seeing how you have erased your 360 files like a complete noobtard.




Note: FANBOY is a word used here to label the people who spit nonsensical and biased comments about their favorite system.


I'm certainly not biased. ^_-

[Espada_Assassin]

Put it this way
PS3 exclusive games have the best graphics this Gen out of the PS3, 360 and Wii.
Nothing on the Wii and 360 are better then Killzone 2. Uncharted and MGS4 are ahead also.

When it comes to multiplat games on the 360 and PS3 the 360 has the slight edge over most multiplat titles so far, the only game i recall from memory that looks better on the PS3 then 360 is Oblivion.

Also dont look at Gametrailers comparisons for the two since they said themselves they dont enable full RGB range and Superwhite on the PS3 when doing the comparisons since the 360 doesnt have them options.

That takes alot away from the PS3 if you turn those off, so go by IGN and other comparisons.

[Hynad]

Yeah, that's what I do, and you know what? When it comes to the game I mentioned, Resident Evil 5, they all agree that the 360 version has the edge.

I'll be getting the PS3 version anyways even though I could go with the 360 version (owning both system) since most people I know have a PS3 and I intend to go multiplayer with them.




Also Espada_Assassin (http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/forums/member.php?u=5111), the RGB range and Superwhite option don't improve the texture resolution of the games. This is where the PS3 often falls behind when it comes to multi-platform game comparison.

[Skye]

Well...what a vicious thread, in my opinion i don't think both version will be identical, maybe in content they will, but as in graphics or maybe just even loading times might be different....so why all the ranting and all the hate talk against any other system...its useless. Let the fanboys be fanboys, but then again, other fanboys are the one who call people fanboys...wonder why? Some people tend to loose sight of whats really being discussed.

[Espada_Assassin]

Yeh i saw the IGN comparison and indeed the 360 Resi 5 had a slight edge over the PS3 version. Its just the way it goes with multiplat titles since developers work on them on the 360 first since its easier and then try and port it over.

To the original question of this thread will both versions be identical? No matter what S-E say theres usually a slight difference with Multiplat titles and if i was to take a random guess the PS3 version would have the edge over the 360 because-

PS3 is the lead platform and its being created for it first
Its a port to the 360 not the other way around
360 version will be compressed to fit it on the smallest amount of discs possible

Just remember Im not stating these as facts Im assuming :)

[liljc91091]

Actually its easier to port a game from the ps3 to the 360 rather than the other way around

[Neal]

That's what he said.

[Espada_Assassin]

Actually its easier to port a game from the ps3 to the 360 rather than the other way around

Ok this must be a huge coincidence but I've just noticed I have you added on my PS3 and today is the day i signed up to the forum also so i didnt get your name of here.

I checked my old account which I've had for over 2 years and your added on there also.


My old account was cravendude300 and new one is Pulse-Lightning.
Im trying to remember where i added you.

Small world lol.

[liljc91091]

Im just a presence that exist everywhere Im on everyones friend list lol

And he didn't say that Fen or did he ??? ITS A MYSTERY

[Chicat]

They didn't state that the 360 version will identical.

Here:
Basically, Kitase explains that the original version won't be downgraded to fit the specs of the 360. It will still be optimized for the PS3 and THEN they will work on optimizing it for the 360. So if the PS3 is more capable than the 360, if their claim about "specializing it to the very best of the PS3" is true and not just some "hyping" blathering, then we'll soon see which system is the most capable.

But they didn't say anything about not affecting the english version. They're going have to dub the game in english and re-animated characters' mouth to synch the english language.

[Hynad]

That's part of the localization process I already mentioned. And that is of course if they are willing to make the characters' mouths sync the English language with proper (re-worked) animations.

In any case, that they do it or not is irrelevant to the "both version being identical" question.