Multiple Discs~?

[Teck]

Knowing Square's past track record of enormous games, am I crazy for wondering if it's plausible for us to see Versus span more than one BD~? Now granted the same could be said of FFXIII, but seeing as that's going to 360 I'm less inclined to believe it to be so long.... I own MGS4 and for filling the BD to the brink, the actual gameplay content on the game isn't a whole lot.... I can beat the game in 4 hours.... It's all video almost.... And Square loves them cut scenes, so is this going to happen at all this console generation~? Will Square be the first to break the one disc record for PS3~? Am I on crack~? I'm interested to see if anyone else believes that a 50 gig (Dual Layer) disc seems too small to last as well.... And before someone attacks me with a stupid stick, I know that BD technology is capable of supporting multiple layers in the future to upwards of 200 gigs.... But this is now, not later :P

[Zezlar]

I don't see Versus going on 2 BD's. But there is a possiblity of FF13 going on 2 x BD. The main series games tend to be alot longer.

[OmiVersusXIV]

Yeah the director of FFXIII said it would be everything in one package which kinda says to me thats its going to be on one disc so i really doubt that versus XIII will not be on 2 disc.

[Teck]

Let me rephrase, I didn't explain well enough my thoughts on why Versus over FFXIII.... First, being that we all know that it is going to go to 360 as well, and the almighty xbox can not support Blu-ray.... So 2 BDs for PS3 is many more DVDs for 360, and I think that might be too much for Squenix to deal with honestly.... Also we get to wait a little longer for Versus, which gives Square a (albeit limited) bit of time for further advancements....

[Shiranui Reborn]

two maybe for 360 but i doubt it for ps3 for ffxiii

[NEALBLEWMEONCE]

Xbox 360 players would be looking at 8+ discs! :lol:


I haven't heard anything to suggest it won't be a multi-BluRay game.

Hope springs eternal! ^_^

[Teck]

Maybe I should have asked if people would prefer that it ended up being a two BD game instead of wondering what the possibilities are.... It seems that so far the opinions are vehemently opposed to the idea that it might actually happen....

[Shiranui Reborn]

Xbox 360 players would be looking at 8+ discs! :lol:


I haven't heard anything to suggest it won't be a multi-BluRay game.

Hope springs eternal! ^_^

but is there any evidence that it will be a multiple disk game?

[Xion]

You can Expect Versus to be technically smaller in size than FFXIII. and no, neither will be on anything more than 1 BD

[sozo]

I see what your saying but I doubt either will be more than one disc. Although I do belive in the future games will expand to more than one Blu-ray.

Even though I am very much looking forward to both FFXIII games I do see Verses as more anticipated than FFXIII, just because of the charatures so far. Also it just seems "more" Final Fantasy-ish.

But, that all just my $0.02

[Shiranui Reborn]

I see what your saying but I doubt either will be more than one disc. Although I do belive in the future games will expand to more than one Blu-ray.

Even though I am very much looking forward to both FFXIII games I do see Verses as more anticipated than FFXIII, just because of the charatures so far. Also it just seems "more" Final Fantasy-ish.

But, that all just my $0.02

versus only has a couple trailers if im not mistaken
that can go one of two ways in one persons opinion:
bigger hype, smaller hype

[Xion]

I fail to see in what way Versus looks more "Final Fantasy-ish" than XIII...why? im lost as to how anyone would think so. IMO the reason Versus looks so apealing is because of how NOT like typical FF it actually looks.

[chaosblade77]

It really depends on their priorities and what kind or royalties they would have to pay. I don't know how Sony's royalty scheme went on previous consoles when multiple discs were used, but apparently Microsoft charges quite a bit for a multidisc release, relative to a single disc.

I think cutscenes and sound would be compressed before they move to two discs. If the drop in quality is noticeable, they would probably go with two discs as long as Sony's fees aren't ridiculous. I doubt the game will be that large though.

[Hynad]

Considering how eell S-E manages to make system seller games, I'm sure Sony and Microsoft are prepared to drop the royalty fees for them.

[NikDK]

1 blu-ray for each game... FFXIII on Xbox 360 might go to the 4 cds, and people with only 20gb HDD might have a little trouble installing the game XD

[Thula]

I think its highly unlikely in ps3 -_-

[ShinGundam]

IMO the reason Versus looks so apealing is because of how NOT like typical FF it actually looks.
Map world and Airship >.>

[Xion]

Map world and Airship >.>


and that makes it more like Final Fantasy? especially considering FF13 is suppsoed to have a world map aswell? and YOU have yet to even see it?

So weve seen in Versus a very "KH" looking character with a few other dudes that look like they belong in FF7 but without the clothing youd expect in a "FF" game Hanging out in a very tokyo looking enviornment, and a hot chic, Noct fighting dudes in very Non Final Fantasy fashion, and no typical Final Fantasy stuff like weird creatures, summons or giant airship battles. Yet that somehow translates more "Final Fantasy" to you than the Characters full of belts, 2 worlds, boatload of airships, summons, Magic, gameplay and all that in Final Fantasy XIII? to that i say, w/e

1 blu-ray for each game... FFXIII on Xbox 360 might go to the 4 cds, and people with only 20gb HDD might have a little trouble installing the game XD

Luckily they dont need to! or they could just install the Disc they are playing on, that should be around 6GB

[NikDK]

Luckily they dont need to! or they could just install the Disc they are playing on, that should be around 6GB

well for smoother, and less loading time, they need to ^_^ of course they could just after reaching 2nd CD delete the 1st and install the 2nd. :p

[sobchack]

i wouldn't mind it at all, but no, i'm pretty sure it's gonna be one disc

[Musou]

Lol no. I highly doubt it.

[Hynad]

I wouldn't be surprised if it did.

Sure, many could see a problem for the porting to the 360, but if they go the 1080p route as far as CGI cut scenes go, I see it as a possibility.

Everything will be compressed for the 360 version and I'm sure the cut-scenes would be scaled down to 720p (maybe even less, like 540p), so they could still make everything fit on a 4 DVD format.

[Noctis L. Caelum]

well in my opinion.......have created a blue ray of more than 100 gb, then maybe instead of having more blue ray disc.....has only a 100 GB Blue ray disc or more.....is a possibility.....but the price is something to consider

[Teck]

You can Expect Versus to be technically smaller in size than FFXIII. and no, neither will be on anything more than 1 BD


Really~? cause versus doesn't have to cater to 360 disc size as a handicap and there's absolutely NO info releases that would say otherwise.... At least that I've read, please link if there is though, I'd rather not sound like an ass >.>'

well in my opinion.......have created a blue ray of more than 100 gb, then maybe instead of having more blue ray disc.....has only a 100 GB Blue ray disc or more.....is a possibility.....but the price is something to consider



Also, I read into it and a Blu-ray Disc is 25 gigs per layer, and in common use they are only using dual layers currently.... Though Sony' s website stated that technology could support upwards of 200 gigs in the future, so that's an 8 layer disc.... crazy~!

[Hynad]

Pioneer already developed a 400 Gb BD (16 layers) that works on current players (yeah, including the PS3).

http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/02/pioneer-shows-off-16-layer-400gb-blu-ray-disc-affirms-compatibi/

As for your comment about "versus not having to cater to 360 disc size as a handicap", neither does FF XIII as far as S-E explained. They specifically stated that the quality of the PS3 version won't suffer from the game going multi-platform. They're currently fully committed to the PS3 version and will only focus on the port once the original version is complete.

I wonder how many times we'll have to keep on reminding people of that.

[Xion]

Really~? cause versus doesn't have to cater to 360 disc size as a handicap and there's absolutely NO info releases that would say otherwise.... At least that I've read, please link if there is though, I'd rather not sound like an ass >.>'

Im just going off the bare fact that Final Fantasy XIII is Final Fantasy XIII and Versus XIII is Versus XIII. The pure nature of the game would suggest it to be shorter in length. Also, need it be said again, Just beacuse XIII its making its way to 360, doesnt mean there is any change in plans for it (on PS3) im shure the game will be on 4 discs with compressed data on 360. Ill care about such details when a 360 version atleast exists.

In other news..Mass Effect 2 - 2010! well 2010 is looking good >_>

[Shiranui Reborn]

have there ever been any similar situations with games that are on both 360 and ps3?
ones that are transfered from ps3 and are longer disc wise for the xbox?
if so what titles?
just curious

[Xion]

have there ever been any similar situations with games that are on both 360 and ps3?
ones that are transfered from ps3 and are longer disc wise for the xbox?
if so what titles?
just curious


No. The only Multidisc games on 360 are currently 360 exclusive (The Last Remnant [2] Infinite Undiscovery [2] Blue Dragon [3] Lost Odyssey [4] Star Ocean 4 [3]) and as you can see, they are all RPG's. Future wise, Rage (or w/e its called) will be [2] discs on 360 and ofcourse [1] BD on PS3.

[Zezlar]

Xion did you hear that Mass Effect 2 is going multiplatform? The console hasnt been announced yet, but I freakin doubt it's the Wii. Lol.

[Sundance Kid]

hahaha the Wii

It'd be nice if it were multi-play, I was/am pretty interested in the game itself.

[Xion]

Xion did you hear that Mass Effect 2 is going multiplatform? The console hasnt been announced yet, but I freakin doubt it's the Wii. Lol.

It could just as easily mean 360/PC but ofcourse i dont doubt a PS3 version...the fact that ME1 is still not coming to PS3 makes me beleive that MS has some sort of exclusive deal, so im not shure. I do hope PS3 owners get in on this tho, ME is one of the best games ive ever played :D

[DreamEater]

PS3 version will have 1 disk.
360 version will have 4 disks.

[Shock]

Highly doubt it is going to be on more then 1 blu-ray disc. As for the xbox 360 I'm guessing it'll be on 2-4 disc.

[Oreruion]

PS3: 1 disk
360: 2 or 3 disks

What I think, anyway..

[Lord Noctis]

I don't see the possibility of FF Versus XIII being on the 360, because i might not have the recommended need to support for this type of game. I could understand FFXIII but not Versus

[Hynad]

I don't see the possibility of FF Versus XIII being on the 360, because i might not have the recommended need to support for this type of game. I could understand FFXIII but not Versus

What kind of logic do you put behind that kind of comment?
The 360 has a bigger user base than the PS3. Obviously, there's bound to be a lot more diversity in gamer styles and tastes.

If you're talking strictly about the hardware capabilities of the 360 compared to the PS3, then the verdict is still out.

Take Resident Evil 5 for example. The game is about the same on both, but the 360 version runs at a higher resolution yet doesn't have any frame rate drop.

[The_Steve]

I have no clue, i think we'll just have to wait until Nomura mentions how long the game will be, how much gameplay and the number of cut scenes.

[chaosblade77]

What kind of logic do you put behind that kind of comment?
The 360 has a bigger user base than the PS3. Obviously, there's bound to be a lot more diversity in gamer styles and tastes.

If you're talking strictly about the hardware capabilities of the 360 compared to the PS3, then the verdict is still out.

Take Resident Evil 5 for example. The game is about the same on both, but the 360 version runs at a higher resolution yet doesn't have any frame rate drop.

The real question becomes is it feasible to port it in the first place though. So far, Japanese RPGs tend to sell poorly on the 360 in the west, and the 360 is still not popular in Japan even with the RPGs it's gotten. Stuff like Blue Dragon and Tales gave it a slight boost, but nothing long-lasting. Star Ocean 4 will probably do the same thing (then flop in the west).

Since Versus is essentially a spin-off and is bound to sell less by default, it's probably in SquareEnix's best interest not to port it to the 360 since they probably wouldn't come out even on the investment. That doesn't change my negative opinion about third party exclusives (that is, I don't like them at all), but it's going to come down to what is more profitable, and as far as I can tell the time and money put into a 360 version would not be worthwhile in the end.

I think XIII would go multiplatform in Japan before Versus went multiplatform anywhere.

[Aquaman]

What kind of logic do you put behind that kind of comment?
The 360 has a bigger user base than the PS3. Obviously, there's bound to be a lot more diversity in gamer styles and tastes.

If you're talking strictly about the hardware capabilities of the 360 compared to the PS3, then the verdict is still out.

Take Resident Evil 5 for example. The game is about the same on both, but the 360 version runs at a higher resolution yet doesn't have any frame rate drop.

I think we can both agree that the PS3 has more power. Look at KZ. We also know that the PS3 versions of games are rarely on par unless the PS3 is the lead platform.

Also look at Uncharted 2 hands on articles, they are
Doing some amazing things there. Resistance 2 has 60 player multiplayer.

To me the PS3 has more power and will prevail in the end, devs just don't want to put the effort in, alas multi-plat non jaw dropping games On the PS3.

[Hynad]

That's the thing though.

The only time people claim that the PS3 is more powerful is when they use Exclusive titles as examples.


Since they are exclusives, there is no way we can compare them to anything since you cannot put them side by side with any other versions from a different platform.



As for the Versus Multi-platform talk, Nomura stated himself that he doesn't want to do anything for the 360.

[Aquaman]

That's the thing though.

The only time people claim that the PS3 is more powerful is when they use Exclusive titles as examples.


Since they are exclusives, there is no way we can compare them to anything since you cannot put them side by side with any other versions from a different platform.



As for the Versus Multi-platform talk, Nomura stated himself that he doesn't want to do anything for the 360.

We could compare 360 exclusives with them, exclusives show the power of each system, so a multi-plat game looking worse on one platform is ridiculous, shows the laziness of the devs.

[Hynad]

It either shows the laziness of the devs, OR the weakness of the systems.

If you want facts, then I'll say that the 360's GPU is more powerful than the PS3's. And you see the outcome of that in most every multi-platform games, Resident Evil 5 being one example.

[Aquaman]

It either shows the laziness of the devs, OR the weakness of the systems.

If you want facts, then I'll say that the 360's GPU is more powerful than the PS3's. And you see the outcome of that in most every multi-platform games, Resident Evil 5 being one example.

That's not valid, if your talking about pure power then exclusives would be what to flaunt and compare.

It's laziness because the 360 is easier to develop on, so when a games multi-plat I assume the game looks worse on the PS3 because the devs don't want to take the time and effort to make it as sharp.

[Sabin]

Resident Evil 5 being one example.

That must mean I'm totally blind, because I can't a the difference in these versions. :/

Many ports from 360 to PS3 has been lazy developers. It's not all hardware problems.
I see ports from PS3 to 360 and they are made in a better way.

Also you can compare exclusives with eachother. What is the best way to show the power of a console? The exclusive games.

Killzone 2
Uncharted/Uncharted 2
LittleBigPlanet
Heavy Rain

These are games that show what the PS3 is capable of. The 360 has it's own exclusives that shows it's powers. Peopel will compare Killzone 2/Halo 3/Gears of War 2 and I bet you that people will compare Heavy Rain and Allan Wake.

[Hynad]

Yet exclusives cannot be compared since they are basically Apples and Oranges.

Resident Evil 5 is from Capcom. A company that is known to take good care of its flagship titles.

Resident Evil 5 on the PS3 is indeed impressive, yet the 360 version is sharper. You THINK it's because they are lazy and didn't take the extra care.

I say that might be the case, while I suspect that the PS3 just isn't as powerful as some people may think.

You believe what you will. Until they show me some proof of the PS3's superiority, then I'm not going to deny what I have seen so far.

[Sabin]

There is no point arguing with you.

You believe what you will. Until they show me some proof of the PS3's superiority, then I'm not going to deny what I have seen so far.

Killzone 2
Heavy Rain

It rapes anything I have seen on XBOX360.

[Hynad]

Arguing... lol. Basically you don't want to have a debate of any form, you want to impose your opinion on me.

So yeah, no point in arguing with me.

[NEALBLEWMEONCE]

Resident Evil 5 on the PS3 is indeed impressive, yet the 360 version is sharper. You THINK it's because they are lazy and didn't take the extra care.


^
Even if there were actual differences between the demo footage, it wouldn't necessarily mean "the PS3 version is inferior."

We're talking about very subtle things that could be no more than a slightly better compression process, and that's assuming the differences aren't just a sort of visual confirmation bias by 360 fans.

[Hynad]

^
Even if there were actual differences between the demo footage, it wouldn't necessarily mean "the PS3 version is inferior."

We're talking about very subtle things that could be no more than a slightly better compression process, and that's assuming the differences aren't just a sort of visual confirmation bias by 360 fans.


Sure it's subtle.

Since I own both systems, I downloaded the demo on both to see what version was better. To help me choose what version I'll get.

And to my surprise, what strikes me the most is the texture quality of the 360 version compared to the PS3. I tried both version on 720p resolution (the PS3 version doesn't run in 1080p at all) and the 360 version looked sharper and more defined. The PS3 version also shows more signs of aliasing and as a consequences the result isn't as smooth as on the 360.



Also, Heavy Rain and Killzone 2 are 2 great looking beasts in their own rights, no denying it.

[Aquaman]

Yet exclusives cannot be compared since they are basically Apples and Oranges.

Resident Evil 5 is from Capcom. A company that is known to take good care of its flagship titles.

Resident Evil 5 on the PS3 is indeed impressive, yet the 360 version is sharper. You THINK it's because they are lazy and didn't take the extra care.

I say that might be the case, while I suspect that the PS3 just isn't as powerful as some people may think.

You believe what you will. Until they show me some proof of the PS3's superiority, then I'm not going to deny what I have seen so far.

Your proof will be XIII.

Also, 360 fanboi's get raped on here. :wtf:

[Hynad]

I'm no fanboy. I give credit where it's due, and if anything, I prefer the PS3 over the 360.

My PS3 gets a lot more use than my 360, mostly due to the PS3 having a much better user interface and Blu-Ray capabilities.

But I'm not going to get blind just because I'm around a crowd that don't see the obvious.

[Aquaman]

I see the obvious, and I am ill about it, thats the difference. :aldo:

Doesn't matter anyway, I am cool with ports and shit, RA3's port is soooo much better than the 360 version. :wtf:

[Sabin]

Arguing... lol. Basically you don't want to have a debate of any form, you want to impose your opinion on me.

So yeah, no point in arguing with me.


You told me to mention proof of the superiority of PlayStation 3. I mentioned 2. If you agree with me or not is up to you.

I wouln't call the PS3 inferior because it has some multiplat games that does not equal its counterpart on 360. There have been many comments from many developers that have stated PS3 is a difficult platform when it comes to developing games. Doesn't mean that it isn't more powerful.

And I'll have you know I also have a PS3 and enjoy it very much, and it has many great games. Only problem is that the best PS3 exclusives look better than the best XBOX360 exclusives.

Tell me how that does not make the PS3 a more powerful machine.

Graphics is not a big issue for me, but the PS3 can still manage more than the 360 in my opinion.

[Xion]

Ill stay clear away from this discussion.

[Neophoton]

Ill stay clear away from this discussion.

Then why did you post here if you had the intention of staying away from it? :wtf:

[NikDK]

Since they are exclusives, there is no way we can compare them to anything since you cannot put them side by side with any other versions from a different platform.

we don't need similar games to compare, here this guys explains it all :)
YouTube - Xbox 360 better than PS3? (Unbiased)

end of discussion :)

[Xion]

Then why did you post here if you had the intention of staying away from it? :wtf:


lol ive allready posted in this "Topic" prior to the discussions changing its tune. Im seen as the "360 dude" in this forum, so my name sometimes gets thrown out there.

So yeah, topic nuked

[Neophoton]

lol ive allready posted in this "Topic" prior to the discussions changing its tune. Im seen as the "360 dude" in this forum, so my name sometimes gets thrown out there.

So yeah, topic nuked

Console or not, it really defeats the purpose to say you are avoid the discussion when you post in the topic once more anyway, no?

[Xion]

Console or not, it really defeats the purpose to say you are avoid the discussion when you post in the topic once more anyway, no?


doesnt your interest in my disinterest defeat the purpose aswell? you see what i did there! now how bout you just leave me alone k :rolleyes:

[Naunen]

Console or not, it really defeats the purpose to say you are avoid the discussion when you post in the topic once more anyway, no?

----Are you finished with pointing something out? Wanna discuss something more on topic? But she does have a point, Xion. End of side topic.

[Neophoton]

----Are you finished with pointing something out? Wanna discuss something more on topic?

Fair enough, I suppose.

Versus XIII's still exclusive, but considering how unpredictable Square can be, my guess is for about 3 - 4 discs if it were on 360. Leaning towards 3.

[Xion]

You guys followed through nicely, you both earned Friend Requests from me! ^____^

On Topic- If it werent for all the CG the games are bound to have, id cut my estimate down for # of discs on 360, the HD video is what really takes up alot of space. On a side note, i want to see some Versus gameplay >_>

[Neophoton]

Off topic: Considering mods are just keeping up the rules, I only see it fit to follow. No sense in throwing a fit when I did go slightly off-topic to begin with. That was fault on my part.

(Are you on GameFAQs, Xion? I could have sworn I've seen you on there before, but... I could be mistaken.)

Yeah, it really depends on what the game's content for the number of discs. I second that notion on gameplay. D:

[Xion]

Off topic: Considering mods are just keeping up the rules, I only see it fit to follow. No sense in throwing a fit when I did go slightly off-topic to begin with. That was fault on my part.

(Are you on GameFAQs, Xion? I could have sworn I've seen you on there before, but... I could be mistaken.)

Yeah, it really depends on what the game's content for the number of discs. I second that notion on gameplay. D:


who had a fit? that's news to me it all seemed perfectly nice and calm :blink: N E Way

No im not on gamefaqs. This is the only place youll find me other comments on Gamersyde and on a rare occasion Gametrailers

Anyway, the topic on hand seems pretty much done with

[Hynad]

we don't need similar games to compare, here this guys explains it all :)
YouTube - Xbox 360 better than PS3? (Unbiased) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=KefeuJpjLao)

end of discussion :)

Most numbers in there have been agreed to be theoretical.

I could get a lot of articles stating that numbers don't matter. You can make them say whatever you want and fool most people with them. Since both architectures are completely different, those said numbers are difficult to put in comparison.


That being said, I do believe the PS3 will show more guts than the 360 in the long run. And when I play AAA Exclusives on my PS3, I too have a feeling I'm playing something that is "more" than what is available for the 360 (Uncharted comes to mind).

Yet the 360 still outshines the PS3 as far as multi-platform games go. I mentioned RE5, because I think Capcom have a fairly good grasp of the PS3 architecture, after they delivered their first big flagship title for both systems with hardly a single difference in performance: Devil May Cry 4.


Finally, just to clarify a point, the developers aren't lazy at all (well, most of them at least) when their PS3 games aren't on par with their 360 counterparts. They have a budget to respect, obviously, and most of the time they have a deadline to respect. The added time necessary to harness the "hidden" power of the PS3 ends up costing a lot, for hardly a benefit when you think about it. Sure, I'm nitpicky about my textures, but as a developer, I can see why the added development time and cost to achieve perfection isn't such an interesting endeavor.





Also, the video is quite old.

[Teck]

Pioneer already developed a 400 Gb BD (16 layers) that works on current players (yeah, including the PS3).

http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/02/pioneer-shows-off-16-layer-400gb-blu-ray-disc-affirms-compatibi/

As for your comment about "versus not having to cater to 360 disc size as a handicap", neither does FF XIII as far as S-E explained. They specifically stated that the quality of the PS3 version won't suffer from the game going multi-platform. They're currently fully committed to the PS3 version and will only focus on the port once the original version is complete.

I wonder how many times we'll have to keep on reminding people of that.

Apparently I'm seeing this with different eyes.... Sure they can tone down what needs to and the PS3 version comes first yes, but at some point there IS a cap since they can only get away with cutting resolution here and sound quality there for so long in my opinion.... There comes a point where the size (in sheer quantity of hours of game) could be too much to make small quality cuts to save room.... Also, thanks for that link, it was a good read....

It either shows the laziness of the devs, OR the weakness of the systems.

If you want facts, then I'll say that the 360's GPU is more powerful than the PS3's. And you see the outcome of that in most every multi-platform games, Resident Evil 5 being one example.

This is a fact that he's unfortunately correct on.... The PS3's GPU is a severe bottleneck to the system.... It was originall supposed to be the same chip as the CPU, but in prototype models it had some issues, so they ended up using underpowered nVidia cards :( Supposedly newer models have better GPUs, but I'm not sure what the specs are on them to be honest....

NEW question since I'm bad at wording things, WHY is it so hard to imagine Versus being longer than XIII~? Every answer I've seen is basically "because it's FFXIII" and well, that's not good enough for me.... FF may be their flagship series, but I don't think that means they purposely aim to make everything else less in every way.... I can' see ANY reason why it's not POSSIBLE.... If anything why limit themselves when they could make a breakthrough NEW title out of nowhere and make MORE money on it.... Look at Kingdom Hearts, don't quote me on this, but I doubt they thought they'd be making so many sequels today during the production of the first game....

[Hynad]

Apparently I'm seeing this with different eyes.... Sure they can tone down what needs to and the PS3 version comes first yes, but at some point there IS a cap since they can only get away with cutting resolution here and sound quality there for so long in my opinion.... There comes a point where the size (in sheer quantity of hours of game) could be too much to make small quality cuts to save room.... Also, thanks for that link, it was a good read....


You'd be surprised to see how well the 360 performs when it comes to data compression.

I think S-E will experience some major headache when it comes to cramming all that data on a 4 DVD format (I think more than that is unlikely, but who knows), but they will manage to make it with not much of a loss in quality when it comes to real time graphics (the PS3 still having the upper hand because of its bigger storage medium when it comes to audio and videos [most likely 1080p]).

[Teck]

You'd be surprised to see how well the 360 performs when it comes to data compression.

No I wouldn't, I have one, I know.... I just feel like there's still far too many variables out there when comparing the systems.... But let's make something up.... Let's say the MAIN story line for versus is 120 hours.... then there's over 100 hours of extra side crap on top of it.... We all know this is rediculous to expect, but if it DID happen, they could be much more leisurely about saving room on BDs.... That being said though, what do they consider too much~? How many discs are they willing to package in a game~? Does the cost of the disc make a difference to them as well~? will they use 4-5 DVDs, but no more than 2 or 3 BDs for price or would they just crank up the game retail price to make up for it~?

[chaosblade77]

NEW question since I'm bad at wording things, WHY is it so hard to imagine Versus being longer than XIII~? Every answer I've seen is basically "because it's FFXIII" and well, that's not good enough for me.... FF may be their flagship series, but I don't think that means they purposely aim to make everything else less in every way.... I can' see ANY reason why it's not POSSIBLE.... If anything why limit themselves when they could make a breakthrough NEW title out of nowhere and make MORE money on it.... Look at Kingdom Hearts, don't quote me on this, but I doubt they thought they'd be making so many sequels today during the production of the first game....
I don't think there is an argument for either game as far as length. It's pretty much impossible to come up with an absolute reason that one game would be longer or have more content than the other.

To me, it's safe to say XIII will be a generally larger game because it is the main game, and it's sales are bound to be higher. The spin-off game will more than likely sell less, meaning they are less likely to make as much money on the product. Because of this, they won't put as much work into creating more content for that game.

However, we don't know what the expectations of SquareEnix are for these games, and Nomura is apparently much more interested in Versus than XIII. What that means has yet to be seen.

You'd be surprised to see how well the 360 performs when it comes to data compression.
That's a benefit of three PPE's, a definite advantage over the PS3 and it's single general purpose processor. The SPEs are useful for post-processing effects, physics calculations, and helping out the GPU. Not so much for compression, game code, etc.

[Zezlar]

Nothing against the 360 owners (well, I have one too) but the PS3 really deserves it's own exclusive. It's been getting stiffed by Square this gen. But if it somehow does end up on the 360 as well, I would guess 3-4 disks.

[Joseph Handibode]

Well I hope Xbox doesn't get the game. They have enough. People bought Xbox for other games not FF. They should be happy they got FF, Infinite Discovery, Star Ocean 4 and Last Remenant. Give us Star ocean, and Infinite Discovery on ps3 than we can talk multiplatform.

[Ultima Death]

Dude it's going to be on one disc... If it were the 360 then different story man

[shiva99]

times like this i :) having a ps3 ~

[Jaiyonex]

I hope it's at least 2 discs.

[Ikkin]

I hope it's at least 2 discs.

By the time they release it, 100GB Blu-rays will probably be common enough to let them use that. The issue won't be "how many discs," it'll be "how many layers." =P

[Jaiyonex]

By the time they release it, 100GB Blu-rays will probably be common enough to let them use that. The issue won't be "how many discs," it'll be "how many layers." =P

^ troo dat. as long as the game takes forever, and there's a bunch of side quests with lots of weapons and all that jazz.