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Kitmitsu
Jan 14 2009, 02:58 PM
The latest issue of V-Jump has been released and with it comes a scan of a brand new Final Fantasy XIII character. He isn't a character that was revealed at Jump Festa. In the scan we can see him fighting in a battle with Lightning which is the first time we've seen a battle with more than one character in the party. He's also supposed to be a starting party member meaning you'll be able to use him at the beginning of the game. BlankChocobo has translated more details from the scan:

"His name is サッズ・カッツロイ 'Sazh Katzroy', and he is a middle aged man. He dual wields pistols, has a baby chocobo, is a gentle hearted person easily moved to tears, possesses good judgment and a sense of social responsibility.

http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/forums/../media/scans/v-jump/tn_24.jpg (http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/forums/../media/scans/v-jump/24.jpg)

Mac Daddy
Jan 14 2009, 03:00 PM
YEESS!!!!!!!!!!!

A BLACK GUYY!!!!!!!!!!!

AINT HAD A PROPER ONE SINCE BARRET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you, i have won a bet.

peace

:)

Vidya
Jan 14 2009, 03:00 PM
Yay annoying comic relief characters. Design fail. And his smile is creepy.

I think this will be the character I'll have in my party repeatedly just to kill him. :| If he is a main character, that is...?

BlankChocobo
Jan 14 2009, 03:01 PM
YEESS!!!!!!!!!!!

A BLACK GUYY!!!!!!!!!!!

AINT HAD A PROPER ONE SINCE BARRET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you, i have won a bet.

peace

:)

I think we have two black party members.

Purple
Jan 14 2009, 03:04 PM
AWESOME.

OOOOH. I could tell I'll be loving this guy.

Loremazd
Jan 14 2009, 03:05 PM
I dunno, I think he looks kinda interesting.

GrimReaperXIII
Jan 14 2009, 03:06 PM
If you shave off the daft haircut, his face is really goodlooking. :o

Nex
Jan 14 2009, 03:09 PM
I don't like his hair. It's definantly an afro. Doesn't look orange to me. Lomfg at the baby chocobo. More guns...

Thanks for the info and translations!

Paskoww
Jan 14 2009, 03:10 PM
I think we have two black party members.

So you dont think thats the "orange haired" Afroguy ?

In my opinion his clothings dont look like the ones from a main character!

Kätharina
Jan 14 2009, 03:10 PM
Remind me why people said he had orange hair? :wtf:
And fuck he looks so camp and lulz worthy.

Sabin
Jan 14 2009, 03:11 PM
Every character in this game has a bad design. What keeps my interest up in this game, is the world itself. I hope I'll like the characters once I see them in action. I do like not the looks of this character but the description of him sounds interesting.

And he has a little chocobo, makes me think of Drebin and his junkey monkey.

BlankChocobo
Jan 14 2009, 03:12 PM
I don't like his hair. It's definantly an afro. Doesn't look orange to me. Lomfg at the baby chocobo. More guns...

Thanks for the info and translations!

He's not the character from Jump Festa.

So you dont think thats the "orange haired" Afroguy ?

In my opinion his clothings dont look like the ones from a main character!

He's not the character from Jump Festa.

Remind me why people said he had orange hair? :wtf:

He's not the character from Jump Festa.


HE'S NOT THE CHARACTER FROM JUMP FESTA.

And despite this post, people will continue to say he doesn't have orange hair for another month. =______________________=

Mac Daddy
Jan 14 2009, 03:12 PM
hmm to think of it the afro is crappy, who has one these days?

Desi
Jan 14 2009, 03:13 PM
...i'm going back to folding clothes.

Toroca
Jan 14 2009, 03:13 PM
Baby Chocobo is ADORABLE. Guy is decent looking, hopefully an interesting character.

More characters plz.

Mac Daddy
Jan 14 2009, 03:17 PM
He's not the character from Jump Festa.



He's not the character from Jump Festa.



He's not the character from Jump Festa.


HE'S NOT THE CHARACTER FROM JUMP FESTA.

And despite this post, people will continue to say he doesn't have orange hair for another month. =______________________=


well i assume u dont know for sure, and if you did how would you know it is orange hair guy and someone made a mistake (link plz)

i hope there is another 'orange hair' character tbh

Kitmitsu
Jan 14 2009, 03:19 PM
well i assume u dont know for sure, and if you did how would you know it is orange hair guy and someone made a mistake (link plz)

i hope there is another 'orange hair' character tbh

Lmao XD She went to Jump festa for god sake!

Vidya
Jan 14 2009, 03:19 PM
well i assume u dont know for sure, and if you did how would you know it is orange hair guy and someone made a mistake (link plz)

i hope there is another 'orange hair' character tbh

...Blank was in the closed mega theatre at Jump Festa twice.

Edit: Woo broken record.

BlankChocobo
Jan 14 2009, 03:21 PM
well i assume u dont know for sure, and if you did how would you know it is orange hair guy and someone made a mistake (link plz)

i hope there is another 'orange hair' character tbh


God **** **** ****ing **** ****. >_____________>

Thank you, Kitmit.
Edit: And V-yaya.

And yes. I will swear on my life and all my worldly possessions, that stupid face did not appear at Jump Festa. Nor did any baby chocobo.

Mac Daddy
Jan 14 2009, 03:22 PM
...Blank was in the closed mega theatre at Jump Festa twice.

Edit: Woo broken record.

:unsure: :|

well i did assume, anyway the more the merrier

(sry blank)

Dream Machine
Jan 14 2009, 03:23 PM
I think I'm in love.

Seriously though I think he's my favorite character to be announced since Lightning, design-wise anywho. Also, CHOCOBO.

Final
Jan 14 2009, 03:35 PM
He looks and sound veeeeeeeery interesting :P And I just love that baby chocobo :)

Nex
Jan 14 2009, 03:40 PM
@Blank- There are TWO black characters with afros in the main cast, and the one we haven't seen has bright orange hair?! LOMFG. XD

I'm getting a little iffy about these designs.

BlankChocobo
Jan 14 2009, 03:50 PM
@Blank- There are TWO black characters with afros in the main cast, and the one we haven't seen has bright orange hair?! LOMFG. XD

I'm getting a little iffy about these designs.

I still maintain that red haired black dude doesn't have an afro, but I won't swear to it.

I'm getting less and less comfortable with 13's designs, too. T___T

Desi
Jan 14 2009, 04:01 PM
at least he has more facial hair. a man is truly measured by it.

Rhiannon
Jan 14 2009, 04:01 PM
..........


That baby chocobo is going to steal the show.

I actually like his design. It seems more down to earth. I mean he looks like a guy you'd see walking down the street with a bad fro, unlike your regular final fantasy spiky haired heroes.

..........

Nex
Jan 14 2009, 04:12 PM
^But... bad afro. >__< If FF haircuts were possible by the laws of physics (and the average hair gel...) then we'd all have them and you know it. =P

I still maintain that red haired black dude doesn't have an afro, but I won't swear to it.

I'm getting less and less comfortable with 13's designs, too. T___T

I hope so. I can't deal with another afro like that.

Desi
Jan 14 2009, 04:16 PM
I actually like his design. It seems more down to earth. I mean he looks like a guy you'd see walking down the street with a bad fro, unlike your regular final fantasy spiky haired heroes.

reminds me more of those fashion freaks you meet in New York who try so hard to be different they bring along cut up umbrellas and patchwork pants or this guy: ugh (http://www.thechoosybeggar.com/2008/12/urblassip.html#links)

Mac Daddy
Jan 14 2009, 04:25 PM
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reminds me more of those fashion freaks you meet in New York who try so hard to be different they bring along cut up umbrellas and patchwork pants or this guy: ugh (http://www.thechoosybeggar.com/2008/12/urblassip.html#links)

lol, that guy in the link should be shot tbh

theres a difference between being unique and stupid

Sanji
Jan 14 2009, 04:33 PM
What if I kill the character and keep the Baby chocobo?

Thunder
Jan 14 2009, 04:37 PM
LOL at lightning slapping him :lol:

and babychocobo is already my favorite character :wub: <33333

i think afro dude has a very interisting looking, though he has a strange afro hair cut

Sanji
Jan 14 2009, 04:44 PM
LOL at lightning slapping him :lol:

She hits Snow AND him. Now I want a catfight with Vanille :aldo:

Mac Daddy
Jan 14 2009, 04:46 PM
from n4g..

"that doesn't really fit the theme so far does it? Not racist, i mean..its hard for me to put Lightning and him together in one game, this guy looks like he belongs to GTA 4"


already?

fool

Thunder
Jan 14 2009, 04:50 PM
from n4g..

"that doesn't really fit the theme so far does it? Not racist, i mean..its hard for me to put Lightning and him together in one game, this guy looks like he belongs to GTA 4"


already?

fool
lol, really, except his face, this guy could never be linked to gta4 :aldo: c'mon, my mom is badasser than him :wtf:

Roerbakei
Jan 14 2009, 05:13 PM
Haha, cute chocobo! :chocobo:

Afro guy looks ok I guess.

byoushinn
Jan 14 2009, 05:26 PM
I like how the chocobo lives in his hair :D

Wandering Hands
Jan 14 2009, 05:30 PM
Oh, it actually lives in his hair? I thought the guys over at 2ch were just being stupid.

byoushinn
Jan 14 2009, 05:32 PM
Oh, it actually lives in his hair? I thought the guys over at 2ch were just being stupid.

the scan says the chocobo comes from his hair
it looks like that's what's happening in the pictures too

edit: haha i just noticed your sig

Sabin
Jan 14 2009, 05:43 PM
Next weeks famitsu will have this stuff only moree shots.


Read it on NeoGAF.

byoushinn
Jan 14 2009, 05:44 PM
Read it on NeoGAF.

well if it's anything like the Dissidia stuff, that's generally how it works (following week is featured in Famitsu only in more detail)

Sabin
Jan 14 2009, 05:53 PM
well if it's anything like the Dissidia stuff, that's generally how it works (following week is featured in Famitsu only in more detail)

Sounds good to me. Maybe his name will actually be possible to read.

EDIT:
Just a thought, it seems we will have full control of the party, judging by that footage. It's only me guessing, but I hope that is the case.

Kätharina
Jan 14 2009, 05:58 PM
It's the monthly Famitsu i assume? :wtf: If so, I'll get it imported and scanned.

Thunder
Jan 14 2009, 06:00 PM
It's the monthly Famitsu i assume? :wtf: If so, I'll get it imported and scanned.
be sure you put your face in the scans to prevent someone steal them :cathryn:

byoushinn
Jan 14 2009, 06:00 PM
It's the monthly Famitsu i assume? :wtf: If so, I'll get it imported and scanned.

probably the weekly

Sabin
Jan 14 2009, 06:05 PM
^To be honest, I have no idea. All it said was that Famitsu would cover this with more footage. Didn't mention wich one it was.

byoushinn
Jan 14 2009, 06:06 PM
i wanna see all the characters from the Jump trailer now -_-

Sabin
Jan 14 2009, 06:12 PM
^Same here.

I though there would be few playable characters in this game. I was totally wrong.

Lightning - playable
Snow - playable
Vanille - playable
Goggle Boy
Asian Girl
Black Man with Read Hair
Sazh - playable

7+ playable would be nice. I only wish they have different abilities.

I was ok with 6 characters in FF XII, because everyone learns the same things. If they are using 7+ characters in this game, they need to have unique abilities.

Paskoww
Jan 14 2009, 06:16 PM
I think his design is great... why dont you like the style Blank ?

Its great to see SE trying something new!!

Darkwings
Jan 14 2009, 06:21 PM
Sazh Kaztroy, (Sazzu Kattsuroi,サッズ・カッツロイ)

What a difficult name... lol is cool and the baby Chocobo too

lux
Jan 14 2009, 06:29 PM
^Same here.

I though there would be few playable characters in this game. I was totally wrong.

Lightning - playable
Snow - playable
Vanille - playable
Goggle Boy
Asian Girl
Black Man with Read Hair
Sazh - playable

7+ playable would be nice. I only wish they have different abilities.

I was ok with 6 characters in FF XII, because everyone learns the same things. If they are using 7+ characters in this game, they need to have unique abilities.

WHAT ABOUT THIS GUY ?
http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/media/scans/cloudmessage/18hq.jpg

shaffy_oppa
Jan 14 2009, 06:33 PM
O_o

I'm liking but in a way also hating it... he looks so outta place but then it gives it such a diversity...

Hes looking like the comic relief tho... and the screen with lightning pushing his face... makes it seem like he was oogling her non existant breasts... or something....

Wandering Hands
Jan 14 2009, 06:34 PM
Whiteboard Boy looks like a complete and utter waste of space pansy.

I personally would like face shots of the blonde woman.

Tzailor-muun
Jan 14 2009, 06:39 PM
I agree with paskoww. Why do some people dislike this guy? Is it because he's not as badass as Noctis? Sure Noctis has a pretty nice design but he looks so f****g stereotypical, like a classic anime/manga/emo tough guy. And don't start whining just because I called him emo, I too have read the interview where Nomura says that he's not emo or anything like that, opposed to what people may think when they see him. And Noctis seem like an interesting character sure, but this guy looks waaaay more interesting. And as you said Paskoww, it's really great they try something new. I would be really dissapointed if some random spiky haired sword gay would be in the party instead of this guy. Great Square!

Dream Machine
Jan 14 2009, 06:39 PM
WHAT ABOUT THIS GUY ?
http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/media/scans/cloudmessage/18hq.jpg

I thought that was the goggle guy?

UGH N4G must die. I can understand some people not liking the character design (well, actually, I don't, but whatever). But seriously? Some people saying he doesn't 'fit' because he looks too realistic?

He looks just as half realistic/half anime as the rest of them, maybe cuz these dickwads have never seen someone thats not Europeanese in the shitty animes they watch isn't my problem :aldo:

Watch Michiko to Hatchin and then come back to me :wtf:

Paskoww
Jan 14 2009, 06:43 PM
I agree with paskoww. Why do some people dislike this guy? Is it because he's not as badass as Noctis? Sure Noctis has a pretty nice design but he looks so f****g stereotypical, like a classic anime/manga/emo tough guy. And don't start whining just because I called him emo, I too have read the interview where Nomura says that he's not emo or anything like that, opposed to what people may think when they see him. And Noctis seem like an interesting character sure, but this guy looks waaaay more interesting. And as you said Paskoww, it's really great they try something new. I would be really dissapointed if some random spiky haired sword gay would be in the party instead of this guy. Great Square!

Thank you, couldnt agree more, Noctis looks interesting yes.. so does Lightning!

But some variety is allways nice to have! And I think this guy will be extremly funny and do crazy things all the time ^_^

Little Miss Scarlett
Jan 14 2009, 06:58 PM
OMFG baby chocobo! <3

I think he looks great, what's wrong with him? You can't seriously think being too 'realistic' is a fault, surely?

He sounds really nice, too ^_^ He's gonna be the 'Dad' of the group, or something I bet.

Kätharina
Jan 14 2009, 07:01 PM
I wouldn't be surprised by they fact that people expected some damn Japanese toy like thing.
Nice to see some range in race.

kakalakingma
Jan 14 2009, 07:13 PM
Diversity! Great1

mercy0001
Jan 14 2009, 07:16 PM
Now i really see a Turn Based battle system! The camera changes to the best behind character view and the characters place themselves on a single line. Could you move the characters in the game? This is the PC screen with a 2 person battle that was showed during the development vid yesterday:
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/4825/capture2os0.png (http://imageshack.us)
I noticed in the vid that it was actually moving! How is that possible on a pc screen?

Kätharina
Jan 14 2009, 07:21 PM
I noticed in the vid that it was actually moving! How is that possible on a pc screen?

Most likely running through a program.

Mac Daddy
Jan 14 2009, 07:22 PM
I agree with paskoww. Why do some people dislike this guy? Is it because he's not as badass as Noctis? Sure Noctis has a pretty nice design but he looks so f****g stereotypical, like a classic anime/manga/emo tough guy. And don't start whining just because I called him emo, I too have read the interview where Nomura says that he's not emo or anything like that, opposed to what people may think when they see him. And Noctis seem like an interesting character sure, but this guy looks waaaay more interesting. And as you said Paskoww, it's really great they try something new. I would be really dissapointed if some random spiky haired sword gay would be in the party instead of this guy. Great Square!

yup, hope hes not just a token and is very interesting

S-r-ex
Jan 14 2009, 07:28 PM
Well, that smile is certainly a "Hi, there baby, I'm handsome and I know it!"-smile...and he knows that he's handsome. That screen on the lower right, has he tried himself on Lightning?

Kätharina
Jan 14 2009, 07:29 PM
Looks like a failed attempt at rape.

Wandering Hands
Jan 14 2009, 07:34 PM
I thought the pimp was meant to smack the ho, not the other way around?

Mac Daddy
Jan 14 2009, 07:34 PM
Looks like a failed attempt at rape.

lol if she was sleeping

Kitmitsu
Jan 14 2009, 08:09 PM
I noticed in the vid that it was actually moving! How is that possible on a pc screen?

Crystal Tools is a PC based engine which can be ported to other platforms. It doesn't mean they're designing it for PC but they're using it as a development platform rather than using devkits.

-Tidus4
Jan 14 2009, 08:13 PM
no, no and NO! Terrible design imo... but i could imagin this guy giving me laughs... though SE fails when it comes to comedy cuz all that comes out is cheese!

rigan
Jan 14 2009, 08:20 PM
no, no and NO! Terrible design imo... but i could imagin this guy giving me laughs... though SE fails when it comes to comedy cuz all that comes out is cheese!

IMO the japanese aren't the funniest people alive, so i totally agree with you on that one but there's still a chance that they succed....

Off topic: Right now the funniest character in an RPG must be Jensen from LO.

Desi
Jan 14 2009, 08:23 PM
I agree with paskoww. Why do some people dislike this guy? Is it because he's not as badass as Noctis? Sure Noctis has a pretty nice design but he looks so f****g stereotypical, like a classic anime/manga/emo tough guy. And don't start whining just because I called him emo, I too have read the interview where Nomura says that he's not emo or anything like that, opposed to what people may think when they see him. And Noctis seem like an interesting character sure, but this guy looks waaaay more interesting. And as you said Paskoww, it's really great they try something new. I would be really dissapointed if some random spiky haired sword gay would be in the party instead of this guy. Great Square!
That is great and all but look at his fucking hair. Take a look at it. Come on, this isn not Phantasy Star where you can get away with your remedial take on something as basic as a Afro. This is made disgusting when you realize that he has a chicken in his hair because you know, hair is a place to keep all your toys. That coat is a miserable waste of design space as well. There are much more interesting ways to do some commodore looking shiz without slapping green and cufflinks all up and down it. His boats are pretty uninspirsed as well and remind me of a pair of Bed Stu's I dislike.

My cousin is as baffled as me. She doesn't see the good in this that you are claiming.

Sabin
Jan 14 2009, 08:26 PM
noticed in the vid that it was actually moving! How is that possible on a pc screen?


Didn't you know? It's no longer coming to PS3 and 360. It's only coming to the superior PC.
This was my reaction:

http://www.laughparty.com/funny-pictures/Angry-Orangutan-961.jpg



That is great and all but look at his fucking hair. Take a look at it. Come on, this isn not Phantasy Star where you can get away with your remedial take on something as basic as a Afro. This is made disgusting when you realize that he has a chicken in his hair because you know, hair is a place to keep all your toys. That coat is a miserable waste of design space as well. There are much more interesting ways to do some commodore looking shiz without slapping green and cufflinks all up and down it. His boats are pretty uninspirsed as well and remind me of a pair of Bed Stu's I dislike.

My cousin is as baffled as me. She doesn't see the good in this that you are claiming.


Well said sir, well said. *bows*
Not only do I dislike this new character, but all of them seems like a step down from previous games. Lightning is the only one I'm ok with.

Paskoww
Jan 14 2009, 08:27 PM
That is great and all but look at his fucking hair. Take a look at it. Come on, this isn not Phantasy Star where you can get away with your remedial take on something as basic as a Afro. This is made disgusting when you realize that he has a chicken in his hair because you know, hair is a place to keep all your toys. That coat is a miserable waste of design space as well. There are much more interesting ways to do some commodore looking shiz without slapping green and cufflinks all up and down it. His boats are pretty uninspirsed as well and remind me of a pair of Bed Stu's I dislike.

My cousin is as baffled as me. She doesn't see the good in this that you are claiming.

Great for your cousin and yourself... we dont claim anything... we have our own opinions and tastes!

monkeybananayum
Jan 14 2009, 08:28 PM
Is this perhaps the guy who knew Lightning when she was in the HG army that was mentioned in the scans?

Anyways, I think he looks like a good character. This is what happens when fans complain that Barrett was too stereotypical! Now we get a black dude who is sweet and kind, doesn't swear, and who carries baby chocobos in his fro.

Anyways, I wanna see a black woman if FF, too. Maybe we will. And maybe the orange haired black guy from JF is his son or something?

P.S. That chickobo is so darn cute.

Darkangel-XI
Jan 14 2009, 08:29 PM
I think he probably has one of the best designs yet, should be a cool character.

vakrotyr
Jan 14 2009, 08:41 PM
Great a token nig. This character is a rip off from nigger charlie and boss nigger two 1960s black exploit films. He will be a character of style. He will also take away every dramatic moment will be ruined by his words and actions. Why he in the party? Well why else would a black man be anywhere? White Chicks. Stupid.

Lets add some retard because we at se are retards and have little artistic talents to boot. let us say every new ff game the same as ffvii because if we do the fans will give us money on worthless graphics that couldnt tell a good story if god himself posted it a fan site. "But we will consider it." Douchbags

AT23
Jan 14 2009, 08:48 PM
Aside from the stupid comments that were made and the idiots showing up that was to be expected...

Some of you need to keep on the ball and read the updates. Blank has confirmed thus far with her experience and knowledge from Jump Festa that this new unveiled character IS NOT the orange afro dude. Stop putting the two together. The only reason why Blank can't provide solid evidence at the moment is because she got her camera confisticated at the event when there was a no photography policy and had her pictures deleted, otherwise she would provide them.

I tried to enlarge the pic to read the captions in on of the in-game screenshot, but all I was able to get was that he talks to his pet/baby chocobo, and when he does he addresses himself as "Daddy" in a 3rd person reference to the baby chocobo. So far, I was able to decipher it as him saying "Daddy is blahblahblah". I'm gonna go to my local japanese store and see if I can pick up this issue of V-jump, if someone can provide the issue or month of the magazine instead of saying "the latest" it'd help so I can ask the people who work there when and if they will get it. Thanks.

Neal
Jan 14 2009, 08:52 PM
Great a token nig. This character is a rip off from nigger charlie and boss nigger two 1960s black exploit films. He will be a character of style. He will also take away every dramatic moment will be ruined by his words actions.
Nice to see that now Kira has left we get a new forum racist. Welcome aboard!

✖ Yuri ✖
Jan 14 2009, 08:53 PM
The black dude looks good, and he is the funny comedian guy so I guess I'll like him <3. LOL in that screen it's looks like he was hitting on Lightning and got a slapped in the face ROFL.

monkeybananayum
Jan 14 2009, 09:00 PM
I wonder how the Japanese feel about him? Do they care or do they think it's just a gimmick to appeal the western GTA type gamers?

vakrotyr
Jan 14 2009, 09:06 PM
Forum racist? Ha good one. I can not recall anytime a black man has been a great addition to...well anything...look the point is this game is on the fast track to the lukeworm state mediocrity.

Kitmitsu
Jan 14 2009, 09:08 PM
Forum racist? Ha good one. I can not recall anytime a black man has been a great addition to...well anything...look the point is this game is on the fast track to the lukeworm state mediocrity.

LOL! You actually are a racist? This is fun.

Kätharina
Jan 14 2009, 09:09 PM
Shit this could get interesting :aldo:

AT23
Jan 14 2009, 09:14 PM
Betting 2/10 that this may be a reincarnation account of the racist that guy that left, the timing is too perfect for the gap to be filled.

Mac Daddy
Jan 14 2009, 09:15 PM
Forum racist? Ha good one. I can not recall anytime a black man has been a great addition to...well anything...look the point is this game is on the fast track to the lukeworm state mediocrity.

lol @ ur bitter life, and the fact that a black guy always takes the white girl u like..
what does skin colour have to do with anything?

i can take that people dont like his design or personality, but to hate him for his skin colour is stupid and backward.
dumb prick

Saudude
Jan 14 2009, 09:18 PM
i love this!! BABY CHOCOBO EATS TABLET AND GOES BIG FLYING AROUND THE COCOON SAYINGS "ooh you touch my talala..."

Sabin
Jan 14 2009, 09:19 PM
^stfu
*sigh*

Saudude
Jan 14 2009, 09:21 PM
^stfu
*sigh*

why you wanna count mah monneh?:awesome:

vakrotyr
Jan 14 2009, 09:34 PM
Agian the point is missed... Like in those movies with the big car chase scene "oh wow Did you see that car chase wow that was great". Ok it was good but thats not what the movie was about. Like wise what I am saying regardless if Im racist or not has nothing to do with the fact that gimmicky characters make a good story crap. Ok for instense star wars ep 1 jar jar binks More then likely you hated him he ruined the new starwars movies forever and i agree oh but you hate him because he is a gungun your a innertransdimenionlist. Race has nothing to do with it. Look up those movies i mentioned you will see exactly what im talking about.

vakrotyr
Jan 14 2009, 09:38 PM
Lets just put obama in the game that will make everyone happy.

Kurai Warrior
Jan 14 2009, 09:40 PM
Agian the point is missed... Like in those movies with the big car chase scene "oh wow Did you see that car chase wow that was great". Ok it was good but thats not what the movie was about. Like wise what I am saying regardless if Im racist or not has nothing to do with the fact that gimmicky characters make a good story crap. Ok for instense star wars ep 1 jar jar binks More then likely you hated him he ruined the new starwars movies forever and i agree oh but you hate him because he is a gungun your a innertransdimenionlist. Race has nothing to do with it. Look up those movies i mentioned you will see exactly what im talking about.
GTFO NOWZ :aldo:
Okay I love the fact that there is a black guy, but I hate the fact that he looks like a fucking idiot.
However I <3 the baby chocobo. <3 <3 <3 *is an animal lover*

Vidya
Jan 14 2009, 09:41 PM
Lets just put obama in the game that will make everyone happy.
:B Seems like since there's supposedly two black characters in the game according to Blank, there are two token black characters. :aldo:

vakrotyr
Jan 14 2009, 09:43 PM
Double the suck

Kätharina
Jan 14 2009, 09:44 PM
Double the suck

lawl stfu.

NikDK
Jan 14 2009, 09:47 PM
Double the suck

gawd, you fail at life!

the new black character looks interresting, just need a little minor change in hair, just make it a liiiiiiittle shorter and it would fit him better. :)

vakrotyr
Jan 14 2009, 09:50 PM
no lets make the afro bigger and put some spinners in the hair and his slogin is "gang bangin the white bitchs"

Sabin
Jan 14 2009, 09:51 PM
Agian the point is missed... Like in those movies with the big car chase scene "oh wow Did you see that car chase wow that was great". Ok it was good but thats not what the movie was about. Like wise what I am saying regardless if Im racist or not has nothing to do with the fact that gimmicky characters make a good story crap. Ok for instense star wars ep 1 jar jar binks More then likely you hated him he ruined the new starwars movies forever and i agree oh but you hate him because he is a gungun your a innertransdimenionlist. Race has nothing to do with it. Look up those movies i mentioned you will see exactly what im talking about.

None of the above makes sense. How can you even compare an alien with a black man? Star Wars has a setting with many different races across the universe. Seeing another race than humans in those movies makes perfect sense.

What is wrong with adding different races in a game? 90% of games include only white people, why don't you go play those?

I guess you don't like, Drebin, Barret, Eddie, Zasalamel, CJ, Alyx Vance and many other great characters.

Vidya
Jan 14 2009, 09:52 PM
no lets make the afro bigger and put some spinners in the hair and his slogin is "gang bangin the white bitchs"
I <3 trolls.

byoushinn
Jan 14 2009, 09:53 PM
no lets make the afro bigger and put some spinners in the hair and his slogin is "gang bangin the white bitchs"

suck cock :cookie:

vakrotyr
Jan 14 2009, 09:53 PM
Barret was ok

vakrotyr
Jan 14 2009, 09:55 PM
so all of the sudden their is a black race in the game without rhyme or reason there just is makes perfect sense

Vidya
Jan 14 2009, 09:56 PM
so all of the sudden their is a black race in the game without rhyme or reason there just is makes perfect sense
wtf. we barely know anything about the dude. >_> AND OMG A BLACK CHARACTER IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD NOOOOOO

Grow up.

vakrotyr
Jan 14 2009, 09:57 PM
Yea whatever enjoy your black exploit game Ill never play it.

Vidya
Jan 14 2009, 09:58 PM
Yea whatever enjoy your black exploit game Ill never play it.
...then why are you on a Final Fantasy XIII FORUM?

Saudude
Jan 14 2009, 10:00 PM
so all of the sudden their is a black race in the game without rhyme or reason there just is makes perfect sense

Do you mean human? fucking racist.

I dont see the big deal over this. I think he's a great character and the description leaves me pretty interested, but just because you don't like one character doesn't mean the whole game comes falling down E_E

Kätharina
Jan 14 2009, 10:00 PM
I'd totally ban him but at the same time he is so entertaining :aldo:

vakrotyr
Jan 14 2009, 10:00 PM
I simply am.

✖ Yuri ✖
Jan 14 2009, 10:01 PM
^
U R RIGHT LULZ :aldo:

Sabin
Jan 14 2009, 10:01 PM
so all of the sudden their is a black race in the game without rhyme or reason there just is makes perfect sense

I know you're just being a complete arse, but I'll respond anyway. Could it not be that there are different races in the game... you know like in the real world.
Does everyone need to be white? Being white or black doesn't mean shit. I hate Snow Villiers from the bottom of my heart, and I know jack shit about him.


I'd totally ban him but at the same time he is so entertaining :aldo:

Do it, do it. I'll be your bitch.

vakrotyr
Jan 14 2009, 10:10 PM
the ensemble is horrible no character I can get attached to and thats what has always made a good story.

Mac Daddy
Jan 14 2009, 10:17 PM
Yea whatever enjoy your black exploit game Ill never play it.

your actually disgusting, if u mean what your saying or are just doing this for kicks.
fuck you anyway, humans originated from africa!

google it bitch, before u were born there were black people and when you die there will be black people. keep 'typing' hate, vent it out here u neek i dont care, your mindset is ancient and youll probably buy the game anyway:rolleyes:

Neophoton
Jan 14 2009, 10:31 PM
Woooow.

Fucking hell, this thread went from a "Yay, finally new info on the damn game!" to some racist jargon? I'll admit that it's lulzy judging by some of the more later posts.

I'll just post a macro to wrap up my post. :U

http://www.gearsandwidgets.com/external/wherethisthreadgoing.jpg

Saki Liu
Jan 14 2009, 10:37 PM
A ba..bab..BABY CHOCOBO???? I love it!!!! The new character looks awesome!!!!

I wonder if the baby Chocobo will grow as you play through the game. That would be so cool!!!!

P.S. Vackro-whatever, I take it you were beat up by black kids at school. Go ahead and take your anger out because we all know forum racist cant do shit!

JmLopez
Jan 14 2009, 10:50 PM
he appears to be in the army too, since he has a thing on his shoulder too

chocobosmoogles
Jan 14 2009, 10:50 PM
New chocobo :wub:

New afro dude...he's okay. Lightning is still da shit!!

EDIT: Nevermind!! New characteer :wub: he looks so interesting after alll!!!

serpent
Jan 14 2009, 10:55 PM
A black chrachter since ff7. nice. Barret was one of the best characters in any ff game.
(i cant remember if there have been anyone else).
This guy must be funny. :)
What have the Black people ever done to you vakrotyr? :)

Yuuko-Hime
Jan 14 2009, 11:11 PM
He seems funny !^^ I already like him!!

Passion
Jan 14 2009, 11:13 PM
The design isn't all that bad, just find the whole 'bursts into tears quickly' thing abit odd. However he seems to contrast with the other characters well and isn't what I expected to see any time soon at all, which is a very good thing.

I'm remaining hopeful. Also, wrey! This was the first confirmation I've had at chocobos being in this game. -happy-

Kitmitsu
Jan 14 2009, 11:17 PM
A black chrachter since ff7. nice. Barret was one of the best characters in any ff game.
(i cant remember if there have been anyone else).

Fran ;) .

shphu
Jan 14 2009, 11:29 PM
What a bad design! Despite the futuristic theme of the game, the Afro design is like: going back to the past. I just hope that his background/story explains why he's got that style. Somehow, I don't feel that the afro belongs to XIII futuristic world. Just a personal opinion. :)
I love the baby chocobo though. Reminds me of Lulu from FFX. And of course, I'm glad that there's an ethnic diversity in the party. Yay!

Hae
Jan 14 2009, 11:32 PM
Fran ;) .
And Kiros.

As for the new guy YAY
As for the racist guy GTFO

I wonder if baby choco would be of any help in the battle :3

NikDK
Jan 14 2009, 11:37 PM
Yea whatever enjoy your black exploit game Ill never play it.

won't play it then gtfo!
or stay and make a laugh out of yourself :aldo:
you still fail at life and you always will,

Adam Blade
Jan 14 2009, 11:41 PM
He's not the character from Jump Festa.



He's not the character from Jump Festa.



He's not the character from Jump Festa.


HE'S NOT THE CHARACTER FROM JUMP FESTA.

And despite this post, people will continue to say he doesn't have orange hair for another month. =______________________=

xD

woot another battle screen...

chocobosmoogles
Jan 14 2009, 11:49 PM
GTFO Racist S.O.B.

He can't wash off his skin color, the same way you can't wash the ugly in front of your computer screen!!!. *snap snap*



......*snap*

BlankChocobo
Jan 15 2009, 12:08 AM
Wow this thread got special while I was asleep.

she got her camera confisticated at the event

I tried to enlarge the pic to read the captions in on of the in-game screenshot, but all I was able to get was that he talks to his pet/baby chocobo, and when he does he addresses himself as "Daddy" in a 3rd person reference to the baby chocobo. So far, I was able to decipher it as him saying "Daddy is blahblahblah".

Actually, that was at TGS with my camera. XD

But the Daddy talk doesn't help make him seem like a character I could take seriously. =/ For some reason that just adds to the stereotype-ness.

I wonder how the Japanese feel about him? Do they care or do they think it's just a gimmick to appeal the western GTA type gamers?

They think he's cute and don't seem to understand what I mean when I ask if they think he's a racist stereotype. All black people are like him, duh. What's the problem? <_<

GTFO NOWZ :aldo:
Okay I love the fact that there is a black guy, but I hate the fact that he looks like a fucking idiot.

^ that's the problem/reason I don't like the character. No, no every black person is smart, either, but come on. This guy's description makes him seem like a clown. I love chocobos, but the baby chocobo side kick just makes him seem worse. T_T He's already fallen flat on his in the first screenshots we're shown of him, and Lightning doesn't want him around either because she thinks he's a pest. Comic relief character for the lose.

↓ This is where I've seen that smile before.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k126/kdr82/248px-Dance_Dance_Revolution_Best_H.png

Hayagriva
Jan 15 2009, 12:25 AM
i think he looks great i cant wait to be him

BlackPeaceNow
Jan 15 2009, 12:30 AM
He's got a cute face, but the hair and the clothes are... Awkward. Well, the clothes aren't so bad, but they're rather plain.....

Cassette Assassin
Jan 15 2009, 12:38 AM
He seems pretty cool. The afro slightly annoys me, but if Lightning bitchslaps him, it's all alright with me. :D

Skux
Jan 15 2009, 12:49 AM
Yay annoying comic relief characters. Design fail. And his smile is creepy.

I think this will be the character I'll have in my party repeatedly just to kill him. :| If he is a main character, that is...?

Haha i Agree Whats With The Red Guard Like Afro..
Serious Give Them Cool Hair Like Zach Or Cloud.


Barret Much Better Than The New Guy

dxgirly
Jan 15 2009, 01:00 AM
I like this character. I think he's cute. <3

soyrun
Jan 15 2009, 01:01 AM
He should be bald xD

Little Miss Scarlett
Jan 15 2009, 01:14 AM
For Gods sake. Why do people complain everytime it seems a character's gonna be cheerful?

Would it really be that much better if all the characters were ridiculously serious and depressed all the time? Bloody sadists...

Wacka14
Jan 15 2009, 01:17 AM
I'm so Happy!!!! They almost never make cool looking black people in video games. And Nomura created a decent looking older guy. I am quite pleased.:D

Mac Daddy
Jan 15 2009, 01:30 AM
Haha i Agree Whats With The Red Guard Like Afro..
Serious Give Them Cool Hair Like Zach Or Cloud.


Barret Much Better Than The New Guy

a black guy with spikey hair :|

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7679/blackra7.jpg

rigan
Jan 15 2009, 01:31 AM
For Gods sake. Why do people complain everytime it seems a character's gonna be cheerful?

Would it really be that much better if all the characters were ridiculously serious and depressed all the time? Bloody sadists...

I agree, i think the problem is because there's to many emos on thi site...wonder why Versus is loved

Kitmitsu
Jan 15 2009, 01:32 AM
I agree, i think the problem is because there's to many emos on thi site...wonder why Versus is loved

Then leave and stop everyone slitting.

Maiya
Jan 15 2009, 01:45 AM
I agree, i think the problem is because there's to many emos on thi site...wonder why Versus is loved

Wow. That was so ridiculously stupid.

Anyway, the chocobo sure doesn't look like the little odd shaped chocobos I'm used to seeing. It looks like a normal chick I could find on a farm. It's interesting that SE decided to show pictures of a new charater before showing him in a trailer though. I'd really like to see the other charaters already. I'm not too pleased with the designs so far either... Lighting and Vanille are the only two that seem pleasing to me. The rest are just okay. This guy though, it's just bad.

chocobosmoogles
Jan 15 2009, 02:04 AM
I guess it's safe to assume that this guy is the same on as on this picture?
http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/media/scans/famitsu/screenshots/08.jpg

byoushinn
Jan 15 2009, 02:10 AM
^ yeah looks like it.

Lifrasthir
Jan 15 2009, 02:12 AM
Ha, his hair made me laugh. xD But I'm excited for this new character, somewhat...He kind of scares me. The smile is creepy. But it'll definitely be interesting to see if he has an impact on fans like Barret did.

pseudocognition
Jan 15 2009, 02:19 AM
Wow everyone. Just... wow.

I'm not Japanese, but I am somewhat of a character designer, and this would have been my thought process.

- How do we incorporate Chocobos into Final Fantasy 13? No matter how many we draw, none seem interesting. Hm. *doodle doodle* Awww! A baby chocobo! We have successfully revitalized a tired and underappreciated icon of our series.
- A baby chocobo can't be a character. However, a chocobo breeder can.
- How can we make a quirky, interesting chocobo breeder? Well, he can treat it like a family member, love it unconditionally and excessively, and talk to it. Sounds like he'd fill one of our goals for FNC -- making more idiosyncratic, meaningful characters.
- Where would a quirky, unexpected character keep a baby chocobo? HIS HAIR! Genius, Nomura! Absolute genius! Asspats all around.
- What kind of hairstyle is nest-like? An afro, you say? Alrighty, we'll make him black, because we need black characters to appeal to a western audience and because "afro = nest of hair = bird's nest = a bird lives on his head."

Nobody is racist, nobody is trying to make fun of blacks, they were simply having fun with a character, as I or anyone else with any artistic merit would do. It's the same type of play people use with literature. Instead of wordplay, artists play with imagery. Maybe they even considered that some people would take offense and made a more serious black character (the orange-haired guy) to offset our new friend Sazh Katzroy.

He looks just as absurd as all of the other characters.

He's got a friendly face, more personality than the HAPPY GRIN DESU Snow and Oerba (I refuse to call her Vanilla), and a passion for something--his chocobo. For those reasons, if you ask me, he's the most interesting character out of the four. Don't count your chocobos before they hatch, kids. Before you get offended, take a deep breath, think, and realize there is too much money in a project like this to just flippantly offend one racial group or another.

Nex
Jan 15 2009, 02:20 AM
I guess it's safe to assume that this guy is the same on as on this picture?
http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/media/scans/famitsu/screenshots/08.jpg

Yep, that pic definantly confirms it, you can see the pistols on his legs and the yellow thing on his shoulder. The scans said that the person in that pic knew Lightning from her days in the army. Weird that the character who knows her past is a comic relief character. XD

I don't mind comic relief characters, as long as they're done right. If they're not done right, you can pretty much guarantee they won't be in my used party. And that afro is not done right...

Hopefully the rest of the characters (who obviously spend their entire mornings on their hair) can tell him off and not let him into the group until he's fixed it?

Dream Machine
Jan 15 2009, 02:56 AM
I think people are focusing on his presumed comic relief-ness way too much. I think they'll be an element of that, but I don't think he'll be all 'omg i am so klutzy and silleh!' most of the time.

I mean:

a gentle hearted person easily moved to tears, possesses good judgment and a sense of social responsibility.


Which to me equals someone who cares about the wider world and will work towards whatever goal they have and isn't just 'in it for the lulz'.

Kurai Warrior
Jan 15 2009, 03:00 AM
Yep, that pic definantly confirms it, you can see the pistols on his legs and the yellow thing on his shoulder. The scans said that the person in that pic knew Lightning from her days in the army. Weird that the character who knows her past is a comic relief character. XD

I know this might irritate the fuck out of people, but that role seriously reminds me of Zack :aldo:
but he's still living, so i'll stfu now
As long as he's doesn't become her BFF were good lol

AT23
Jan 15 2009, 03:25 AM
I like this character to say the least. He doesn't have this whole "zomg!" effect and the trendy clothing the other 3 sport. My curiousity revolves around him and the 2 lead enemy characters.

Saki Liu
Jan 15 2009, 03:49 AM
Wow everyone. Just... wow.

I'm not Japanese, but I am somewhat of a character designer, and this would have been my thought process.

- How do we incorporate Chocobos into Final Fantasy 13? No matter how many we draw, none seem interesting. Hm. *doodle doodle* Awww! A baby chocobo! We have successfully revitalized a tired and underappreciated icon of our series.
- A baby chocobo can't be a character. However, a chocobo breeder can.
- How can we make a quirky, interesting chocobo breeder? Well, he can treat it like a family member, love it unconditionally and excessively, and talk to it. Sounds like he'd fill one of our goals for FNC -- making more idiosyncratic, meaningful characters.
- Where would a quirky, unexpected character keep a baby chocobo? HIS HAIR! Genius, Nomura! Absolute genius! Asspats all around.
- What kind of hairstyle is nest-like? An afro, you say? Alrighty, we'll make him black, because we need black characters to appeal to a western audience and because "afro = nest of hair = bird's nest = a bird lives on his head."

Nobody is racist, nobody is trying to make fun of blacks, they were simply having fun with a character, as I or anyone else with any artistic merit would do. It's the same type of play people use with literature. Instead of wordplay, artists play with imagery. Maybe they even considered that some people would take offense and made a more serious black character (the orange-haired guy) to offset our new friend Sazh Katzroy.

He looks just as absurd as all of the other characters.

He's got a friendly face, more personality than the HAPPY GRIN DESU Snow and Oerba (I refuse to call her Vanilla), and a passion for something--his chocobo. For those reasons, if you ask me, he's the most interesting character out of the four. Don't count your chocobos before they hatch, kids. Before you get offended, take a deep breath, think, and realize there is too much money in a project like this to just flippantly offend one racial group or another.

I wouldn't be surprised if you got this right on the dot. It sounds pretty reasonable and I agree 100% on how he can be a great character, not my fav, but a great character!

Mr. Gorilla
Jan 15 2009, 04:54 AM
This is the best news to be revealed about the game yet.

By far the most interesting character out of the bunch.

I think people are focusing on his presumed comic relief-ness way too much. I think they'll be an element of that, but I don't think he'll be all 'omg i am so klutzy and silleh!' most of the time.

I mean:



Which to me equals someone who cares about the wider world and will work towards whatever goal they have and isn't just 'in it for the lulz'.

Listen to this.

Sundance Kid
Jan 15 2009, 05:12 AM
I honestly don't mind his design, kinda happy XIII has a black panther in the game.

Desi
Jan 15 2009, 05:13 AM
I guess you don't like, Drebin, Barret, Eddie, Zasalamel, CJ, Alyx Vance and many other great characters.The thing is I hate all those characters you named besides Alyx and CJ. Have a deep hate for Drebin and Zasalamel too. Don't even know why you pulled Zasalamel out of the blue in the first place.

I probably get used to seeing this guy no matter how much i hate his hair and his wardobe selection. There is still much hate for Lightning's outfit (& Vanille) too but I have passed the point of jumping up and down on my bed screaming to the direction of Japan.

OujiMakaSan
Jan 15 2009, 05:28 AM
Oh my god, he is baddly designed. Design failed indeed.

Wandering Hands
Jan 15 2009, 05:39 AM
Wow everyone. Just... wow.

I'm not Japanese, but I am somewhat of a character designer, and this would have been my thought process.

- How do we incorporate Chocobos into Final Fantasy 13? No matter how many we draw, none seem interesting. Hm. *doodle doodle* Awww! A baby chocobo! We have successfully revitalized a tired and underappreciated icon of our series.
- A baby chocobo can't be a character. However, a chocobo breeder can.
- How can we make a quirky, interesting chocobo breeder? Well, he can treat it like a family member, love it unconditionally and excessively, and talk to it. Sounds like he'd fill one of our goals for FNC -- making more idiosyncratic, meaningful characters.
- Where would a quirky, unexpected character keep a baby chocobo? HIS HAIR! Genius, Nomura! Absolute genius! Asspats all around.
- What kind of hairstyle is nest-like? An afro, you say? Alrighty, we'll make him black, because we need black characters to appeal to a western audience and because "afro = nest of hair = bird's nest = a bird lives on his head."

Nobody is racist, nobody is trying to make fun of blacks, they were simply having fun with a character, as I or anyone else with any artistic merit would do. It's the same type of play people use with literature. Instead of wordplay, artists play with imagery. Maybe they even considered that some people would take offense and made a more serious black character (the orange-haired guy) to offset our new friend Sazh Katzroy.

He looks just as absurd as all of the other characters.

He's got a friendly face, more personality than the HAPPY GRIN DESU Snow and Oerba (I refuse to call her Vanilla), and a passion for something--his chocobo. For those reasons, if you ask me, he's the most interesting character out of the four. Don't count your chocobos before they hatch, kids. Before you get offended, take a deep breath, think, and realize there is too much money in a project like this to just flippantly offend one racial group or another.

Listen to the wummin.

I can understand if you don't like the design. Frankly, that's your choice. But all the "omfg kill him" and "make him shave it" needs to stop. Versus has a nice Generic Anime Brigade for you to jizz on.

Teggles
Jan 15 2009, 05:45 AM
Kiros was the best token-black-guy Final Fantasy character. It leaned on the Michael Jackson cliche, instead of the Mr. T cliche. This one... probably leans more on Mr. T.

Sundance Kid
Jan 15 2009, 05:50 AM
Barret leaned more on the Mr.T cliche. This guy doesn't fit either MJ or Mr.T cliche at all. We don't even know anything about him, but that's just my opinion.

Teggles
Jan 15 2009, 05:52 AM
Well, he has an afro, a goatee and a cheeky smile. It's still a cliche. :P

AT23
Jan 15 2009, 06:31 AM
You're talking to the guy who took a few philosophy and religion studies at a university and backed out of a not-so-serious Christrianity thread in the serious section to avoid conflict.

He seems more of a Eddie Murphy or Bernie Mac -esque character to me.

BlankChocobo
Jan 15 2009, 06:33 AM
Interested to hear what a magazine NOT written for kids has to say/show about him. I forgot this stuff came out of V-Jump. The little pirate dude near the top of the scan is about the maturity level they're generally aiming to write for.

I think people are focusing on his presumed comic relief-ness way too much. I think they'll be an element of that, but I don't think he'll be all 'omg i am so klutzy and silleh!' most of the time.

I mean: a gentle hearted person easily moved to tears, possesses good judgment and a sense of social responsibility.

Which to me equals someone who cares about the wider world and will work towards whatever goal they have and isn't just 'in it for the lulz'.

Well, I can't very well say 'no,' so 'yes.' ~_~; The writeup does say that.

I just don't see 'good judgement' anywhere. If I did, I wouldn't be so annoyed. I really hope there's more pages in the article, and we just happened to get the one with all the pictures of him doing stupid things like falling on his face, calling himself Daddy to baby animals and getting in the way in an area that seems to be enemy territory. At least he doesn't look like he has a dweeb stance in combat?

No, I don't think he's in it for the 'lulz,' but I am worried that what they meant by 'good judgment' was just some amount of moral judgment, to go along with his easily moved to tears and social responsibility to make 'pushover klutz' archetype.

Person saying we're complaining because we only like emo characters, you're just being silly. I loved Tidus and Zidane, and I hated Vaan for other reasons.

Whoever said about them making two black characters to try to balance this dude out, I agree, and I really hope it works.


EDIT: Lol, AT23. I was just googling Eddie Murphy and debating whether or not to mention him here. I smell Eddie Murphy too.

dxgirly
Jan 15 2009, 06:41 AM
He looks like The Rock from this movie and Eddie Murphy mixed:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/mmpo/503369%7EBe-Cool-The-Rock-Advance-Posters.jpg

vakrotyr
Jan 15 2009, 07:04 AM
Look! Go and watch the movies "Boss Nigger(1975)" and "Nigger Charlie(1976)" both with Fred Williamson. This is what the new character is based off of. THOSE ARE THE NAMES OF THE MOVIES: I AM NOT GOING TO SUGER-COAT ANYTHING!!!!

dxgirly
Jan 15 2009, 07:27 AM
good lord. would you just stop? jesus christ you're an ignorant bitch

xenogears23
Jan 15 2009, 07:35 AM
I'm not totally feeling this character....and I've been waiting for a non-glamorous character out of tetsuya for a while...but this one sorta erks me.

there's been like 2 black characters in ff.

we either get like some cornrowed thug (in ffvii ac) or now a disco soulman/pirate-cowboy? lol...

can;t we put a hot ripped black guy in? lol....YUM!

i know i;m making some serious assumption and statements...and probably sound very shallow....but it just seems like every white character in final fantasy is stunningly young looking...with perfect features and bodies.

this design just seems like what japanese picture black people as...frumpy..nutty professor haired...and 70's .it;s kind of offensive to me almost.

tho i;m certain many of you will dislike my request for a hot modern looking black guy, and call it very narrow minded. but just consider my thoughts here.


i really wanna clarify that I don;t have any issue with this character's existence. I just have this deep sense that this will be the only black representation in the game. And I just really want MORE. who knows ...maybe we will go to his village or city and meet his whole kick ass family and neighbors....but did that happen in ffvii? heck no. go to barret's town and u get a bunch of cracked out whiteys lol. whats the deal

whether u like it or not...this look is stereotypical...and it just seems like a very narrow eye designed this look.

if nomura is really the visionary i believe he is....he should be able to produce something truly unique.

the hair is too old school. people don't wear their hair like that anymore.

every other character gets to be like runway models, but the black guy gets to look goofy.

this character does;t look original to me....or ballsy...he looks put in just to fill a requirement.

it would be SO bad ass to put in a sexy ...tall muscular...chocolate god lol .

and ya know..i don;t want all the main characters to be like runway models...the more variety the better. I want varying ages, races, body types, and even animal or or cartoon based characters. but the cliche look here really strikes a nerve in me.

just look at it this way. if ff was primarily filled with black characters for the past 20 years and the two white people we're a hillbilly in overalls and a lady with poofy 80's hair, wouldn't white people feel slightly stereotyped as well?

i think this is a very thoughtless design.

anyways not trying to upset anyone....it;s just my initial thoughts. and i;m interested to hear yours.

(btw...i totally dig the baby chocobo companion and can't wait to see how it's worked in.)


PS ....in all fairness tho wtf do the japanese know about "brack people" lol

Sundance Kid
Jan 15 2009, 07:36 AM
EVERYTHING is a stereotype in everything nowadays, so he has a freakin afro so what? And a goatee, oh my god. What you people want him to be a thug?

Give me a break

dxgirly
Jan 15 2009, 07:38 AM
I agree that a chocolate god would be magnificent, but unfortunately, I think this may be the best we're going to get

xenogears23
Jan 15 2009, 07:45 AM
EVERYTHING is a stereotype in everything nowadays, so he has a freakin afro so what? And a goatee, oh my god. What you people want him to be a thug?

Give me a break

I don't want a thug either. I want a healthy youthful black guy with his OWN completely unique final fantasy style. not a hairdo from the past that was retired for a reason.

it's no coincidence that some people have already marked him as COMIC RELIEF. his look is silly.

It is the same thing they do in the media with gay people in this country. They only put them in the media if they are goofy and humorous (safe and comfortable). And I'm sick of it. Why can't we have a serious looking black guy also?

Again this character can and SHOULD exist....but not as the sole black representation in the game. And so I'm really hoping we see more black characters included in the game.

vakrotyr
Jan 15 2009, 07:49 AM
Nomura design and insperation is of those movies why can't you understand that maybe if you take that ****** **** out of your *** you would understand ******-****** *****.

dxgirly
Jan 15 2009, 07:51 AM
I don't want a thug either. I want a healthy youthful black guy with his OWN completely unique final fantasy style. not a hairdo from the past that was retired for a reason.

it's no coincidence that some people have already marked him as COMIC RELIEF. his look is silly.

It is the same thing they do in the media with gay people in this country. They only put them in the media if they are goofy and humorous (safe and comfortable). And I'm sick of it. Why can't we have a serious looking black guy also?

Again this character can and SHOULD exist....but not as the sole black representation in the game. And so I'm really hoping we see more black characters included in the game.
There is another black character in the game, you know. Images of him just haven't been released yet. He was in the Jump Festa trailer

vakrotyr
Jan 15 2009, 08:02 AM
I hope the next character is a 12 foot tall 1/3mexican, 1/3asian, 1/3horse, tranny, miget (By his peoples standers) who rides a 20 foot tiger by the name of smowosh who is also a demigod like fish creature that shoots out t-rexs out of his ass which by the are all rulers of their own planet.

Wandering Hands
Jan 15 2009, 09:04 AM
Nomura's initial design:
http://i40.tinypic.com/f2ketl.jpg

I lul'd.

Maiya
Jan 15 2009, 09:24 AM
I'm not totally feeling this character....and I've been waiting for a non-glamorous character out of tetsuya for a while...but this one sorta erks me.

there's been like 2 black characters in ff.

we either get like some cornrowed thug (in ffvii ac) or now a disco soulman/pirate-cowboy? lol...

can;t we put a hot ripped black guy in? lol....YUM!

i know i;m making some serious assumption and statements...and probably sound very shallow....but it just seems like every white character in final fantasy is stunningly young looking...with perfect features and bodies.

this design just seems like what japanese picture black people as...frumpy..nutty professor haired...and 70's .it;s kind of offensive to me almost.

tho i;m certain many of you will dislike my request for a hot modern looking black guy, and call it very narrow minded. but just consider my thoughts here.


i really wanna clarify that I don;t have any issue with this character's existence. I just have this deep sense that this will be the only black representation in the game. And I just really want MORE. who knows ...maybe we will go to his village or city and meet his whole kick ass family and neighbors....but did that happen in ffvii? heck no. go to barret's town and u get a bunch of cracked out whiteys lol. whats the deal

whether u like it or not...this look is stereotypical...and it just seems like a very narrow eye designed this look.

if nomura is really the visionary i believe he is....he should be able to produce something truly unique.

the hair is too old school. people don't wear their hair like that anymore.

every other character gets to be like runway models, but the black guy gets to look goofy.

this character does;t look original to me....or ballsy...he looks put in just to fill a requirement.

it would be SO bad ass to put in a sexy ...tall muscular...chocolate god lol .

and ya know..i don;t want all the main characters to be like runway models...the more variety the better. I want varying ages, races, body types, and even animal or or cartoon based characters. but the cliche look here really strikes a nerve in me.

just look at it this way. if ff was primarily filled with black characters for the past 20 years and the two white people we're a hillbilly in overalls and a lady with poofy 80's hair, wouldn't white people feel slightly stereotyped as well?

i think this is a very thoughtless design.

anyways not trying to upset anyone....it;s just my initial thoughts. and i;m interested to hear yours.

(btw...i totally dig the baby chocobo companion and can't wait to see how it's worked in.)


PS ....in all fairness tho wtf do the japanese know about "brack people" lol

And tell me. What exactly do "black" people know about the Japanese?

Everyone, I'm sure, has some stereotypical thoughts about a lot of things. Still, I don't see anyone complaining about how there are no Indians or Eskimos (a little out there, but still) in this game. I understand your point... But people do this all the time.

Kätharina
Jan 15 2009, 09:26 AM
Nomura's initial design:
http://i40.tinypic.com/f2ketl.jpg

I lul'd.

I think i came a little.

SUPER JAM
Jan 15 2009, 09:45 AM
I'm not totally feeling this character....and I've been waiting for a non-glamorous character out of tetsuya for a while...but this one sorta erks me.

there's been like 2 black characters in ff.

we either get like some cornrowed thug (in ffvii ac) or now a disco soulman/pirate-cowboy? lol...

can;t we put a hot ripped black guy in? lol....YUM!

i know i;m making some serious assumption and statements...and probably sound very shallow....but it just seems like every white character in final fantasy is stunningly young looking...with perfect features and bodies.

this design just seems like what japanese picture black people as...frumpy..nutty professor haired...and 70's .it;s kind of offensive to me almost.

tho i;m certain many of you will dislike my request for a hot modern looking black guy, and call it very narrow minded. but just consider my thoughts here.


i really wanna clarify that I don;t have any issue with this character's existence. I just have this deep sense that this will be the only black representation in the game. And I just really want MORE. who knows ...maybe we will go to his village or city and meet his whole kick ass family and neighbors....but did that happen in ffvii? heck no. go to barret's town and u get a bunch of cracked out whiteys lol. whats the deal

whether u like it or not...this look is stereotypical...and it just seems like a very narrow eye designed this look.

if nomura is really the visionary i believe he is....he should be able to produce something truly unique.

the hair is too old school. people don't wear their hair like that anymore.

every other character gets to be like runway models, but the black guy gets to look goofy.

this character does;t look original to me....or ballsy...he looks put in just to fill a requirement.

it would be SO bad ass to put in a sexy ...tall muscular...chocolate god lol .

and ya know..i don;t want all the main characters to be like runway models...the more variety the better. I want varying ages, races, body types, and even animal or or cartoon based characters. but the cliche look here really strikes a nerve in me.

just look at it this way. if ff was primarily filled with black characters for the past 20 years and the two white people we're a hillbilly in overalls and a lady with poofy 80's hair, wouldn't white people feel slightly stereotyped as well?

i think this is a very thoughtless design.

anyways not trying to upset anyone....it;s just my initial thoughts. and i;m interested to hear yours.

(btw...i totally dig the baby chocobo companion and can't wait to see how it's worked in.)


PS ....in all fairness tho wtf do the japanese know about "brack people" lol

Agree. I wish to see the black male character who looks like 50cent or Kanye West http://images.siamzone.com:2081/board/smile/monkey/009.gif

Like this ! it'll be pretty hot! Just Blink Blink :cool:

http://www.poster.net/50-cent/50-cent-50-cent-gun-1076368.jpg http://www.videomusicnmp3.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/kanye-west.jpg

Sundance Kid
Jan 15 2009, 10:00 AM
I don't see how Japanese people don't know about black people, I mean black people aren't an alien species.

BlankChocobo
Jan 15 2009, 10:45 AM
I don't see how Japanese people don't know about black people, I mean black people aren't an alien species.

The black people out here tend to not be great examples of black people.. ~_~ But they really are weird about them in general... I'm sure there must be a lot of Japanese here who have a reasonable idea of African American or any other kind of black culture, but I don't think they're the normal Japanese.

"Typical" black dude out here owns a crappy hiphop clothing shop that mainly sells baseball caps from America and some overpriced other stuff. He also likes to try to pick up Japanese girls and other foreigners, usually unsuccessfully, since he tries it with almost all the ones he sees.

Yeah. Worried.

~_~

Sundance Kid
Jan 15 2009, 10:49 AM
It's all about the Asian persuasion

Paskoww
Jan 15 2009, 10:52 AM
This is all so wrong.... why cant people just wait and see if he turns out to be a great addition to the party?

Maybe his attitude will fit his style and appearance perfectly!

His clothing might change during the game, he obviously wears some military outfit!

Sabin
Jan 15 2009, 12:14 PM
The thing is I hate all those characters you named besides Alyx and CJ. Have a deep hate for Drebin and Zasalamel too. Don't even know why you pulled Zasalamel out of the blue in the first place.

I probably get used to seeing this guy no matter how much i hate his hair and his wardobe selection. There is still much hate for Lightning's outfit (& Vanille) too but I have passed the point of jumping up and down on my bed screaming to the direction of Japan.

You need to read the entire topic once more good sir. I was not aiming that post to you. In fact, I have agreed with everything you have said in here.
I was talking to the "racist" vakrotyr.

I said from the early beginning, I don't like this character. I still dislike Snow and Vanille more than Sazh. Skin colour has nothing to do with it for me. It's just bad character design overall.

Neal
Jan 15 2009, 01:21 PM
And tell me. What exactly do "black" people know about the Japanese?

There are black people in Japan you idiot. They don't all live in mud huts in Africa. Shit I've even seen black people here in England, OMFG!!!!11 thats so weird because everyone knows that you stay in your own country.

Mac Daddy
Jan 15 2009, 01:33 PM
YouTube - Intl Ace Japan Vlog#2...Racism & Black People in Japan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p4b3OTKA-A)

YouTube - Racism in Tokyo ??????? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNAJWA2gVHE)

zzalbertzz
Jan 15 2009, 01:37 PM
No Racism.

Kätharina
Jan 15 2009, 01:40 PM
Clearly not enough bolze.

BlankChocobo
Jan 15 2009, 01:41 PM
YouTube - Intl Ace Japan Vlog#2...Racism & Black People in Japan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p4b3OTKA-A)

Wow, seems like this guy has met the Nigerians in Harajuku, too. He seems like he got a pretty full picture of black people in Tokyo. lol @ the overpriced caps.

I have pretty much the exact same opinions as him, except that I know there are Japanese prejudiced against black people. My host mom is afraid of them, and yet she lets me (white girl) live in her house, so it's not just a foreigner thing.

I imagine younger people (and companies aiming their games at younger people) probably have had more exposure to them and therefore probably don't have the same extreme views, but I was geniunely surprised by how much my host mom doesn't trust black people. I mean, she made us get off a train when a Nigerian started talking to me to get away from him.

Thanks, interesting watch.

Sabin
Jan 15 2009, 01:43 PM
Please delete this message. It got messed up. Sorry.

NikDK
Jan 15 2009, 01:43 PM
Going a little off topic The black people or rather those from turkey and Islamic Republic of Pakistan in my country goes and burn down cars, trash cans and blow up mail boxes and after that they are calling us racist -.-''
of course im a racist to those who do these things but the others that act normally i have nothing against. :)

I Got Himuroids
Jan 15 2009, 01:51 PM
I honestly don't understand why some feel the new character is so offensive. It's funny how most of the black folks probably don't even remotely find it offensive but others feel it is. Whatever.

Either way, the fact so many characters use guns in XIII really makes me smile.

Yue
Jan 15 2009, 02:03 PM
The character of that guy looks more hyper as Snows ^_^
It will be a interesting group in FFXIII I think.

Dream Machine
Jan 15 2009, 02:14 PM
The afro hate needs to stop. It is not an outdated hairstyle that doesn't exist anymore. It's how most black peoples hair is naturally. It's really depressing that the afro has become this politicized 'anachronism'.

Afro's are cool and still exist today, stop positing that 'treated' hair makes more sense.

Well, I can't very well say 'no,' so 'yes.' ~_~; The writeup does say that.

I just don't see 'good judgement' anywhere. If I did, I wouldn't be so annoyed. I really hope there's more pages in the article, and we just happened to get the one with all the pictures of him doing stupid things like falling on his face, calling himself Daddy to baby animals and getting in the way in an area that seems to be enemy territory. At least he doesn't look like he has a dweeb stance in combat?

No, I don't think he's in it for the 'lulz,' but I am worried that what they meant by 'good judgment' was just some amount of moral judgment, to go along with his easily moved to tears and social responsibility to make 'pushover klutz' archetype.

Hmmmm, personally I just don't see it. I mean I can understand why you might think his charecters sounds like it's deep in Waaka territory, but I dunno, so far this game does seem to be bending the FF archetypes more than a little, so I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt.

Nex
Jan 15 2009, 02:19 PM
New pics, thanks to Japanesey.

http://p.pita.st/?zbuekuvw

Goggles boy?! I hope its not, looks too young. And no goggles. ;)

In that battle screen the camera is focusing on Sazh when Lightning is the leader (I think?). That's a good sign for being in full control of your party at all times!

Thunder
Jan 15 2009, 02:20 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/2zyeyx4.png

Goggles boy!
is not him

Dream Machine
Jan 15 2009, 02:21 PM
Wow, he looks like a little girl :lol:

Nice find!

BlankChocobo
Jan 15 2009, 02:22 PM
Hmmmm, personally I just don't see it. I mean I can understand why you might think his charecters sounds like it's deep in Waaka territory, but I dunno, so far this game does seem to be bending the FF archetypes more than a little, so I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt.

Sorry.. you're right that I'm just being pissy, probably. I just saw that scan and thought for sure it had to be fake. He just looks so ridiculously cheesey there. Snow has a stupid intro pic too, and he seems like he'll turn out fine.

But I didn't have that much of a problem with Wakka.. as long as this guy isn't there for the sole purpose of being a clown character to snicker at, I'm sure I'll get used to him. I'll keep faith in SE. Or try. >____<; Done so thus far..

New scans, so hopefully new info when we get bigger pictures.

EDIT: New scans.. Yes, let's do this again.. That's not the character from Jump Festa, either. XD I wonder when we'll actually see ANY of the three new characters from JF hit the light...?

Nex
Jan 15 2009, 02:23 PM
Yeah I think it's too young to be goggles boy, and he doesn't have goggles.

The more I see Sazh the more he seems to work. He actually seems to fit.

Dream Machine
Jan 15 2009, 02:27 PM
Sorry.. you're right that I'm just being pissy, probably. I just saw that scan and thought for sure it had to be fake. He just looks so ridiculously cheesey there. Snow has a stupid intro pic too, and he seems like he'll turn out fine.

But I didn't have that much of a problem with Wakka.. as long as this guy isn't there for the sole purpose of being a clown character to snicker at, I'm sure I'll get used to him. I'll keep faith in SE. Or try. >____<; Done so thus far..

New scans, so hopefully new info when we get bigger pictures.

EDIT: New scans.. Yes, let's do this again.. That's not the character from Jump Festa, either. XD I wonder when we'll actually see ANY of the three new characters from JF hit the light...?

:lol: Wakka was alright, but he was a bit of a dunce. Yeah I agree with the Snow thing, even Vanilla or whatever her name is has that stupid Valley Girl on Valium pose, but in actual screens and trailers I really like the look of her.

I wonder why they're showing us new charecters and not Jump Festa charecters? Maybe to keep the trailers more fresh so FFVII:AC can sell out?

Nex
Jan 15 2009, 02:31 PM
@Blank- Haha, they're doing it on purpose! We hear news about a black guy with an afro and a young boy with blond hair and who are the next two characters they show? About the closest you can get without being those two. And you're the only one who can spread the truth. Evil SE. XD

bonimality
Jan 15 2009, 02:33 PM
hmmmn... interesting!

NikDK
Jan 15 2009, 02:37 PM
wonder if the boy is playable aswell, or just someone Afro d00d (can't remember his name) helps out,

zzalbertzz
Jan 15 2009, 02:37 PM
He must be the first character to join in the group.

BlankChocobo
Jan 15 2009, 02:39 PM
@Blank- Haha, they're doing it on purpose! We hear news about a black guy with an afro and a young boy with blond hair and who are the next two characters they show? About the closest you can get without being those two. And you're the only one who can spread the truth. Evil SE. XD

Oh, SE. You are the ultimate troll.

No, listen to Lux. He knows his shizz better than me prolly. XD

But yeah... this means there must be more pages... maybe. Pleeeeasse, SE. >__<

At least now some of my angry sand-panties rage has subsided. New scans show him doing something not stupid. And is he doing that fire attack? Awesome. I want to see what commands he gets in his menus.

Do we know for sure the new scan came from V Jump...?

EDIT: Nik, I don't think he's a playable character. He has that refugee look going pretty well. Can't read the text though. ~_~;

NikDK
Jan 15 2009, 02:43 PM
Yeah guess so, only time i've seen kids playable in an RPG game is in LO, hmm thought the fire attack was done by the enemy though.

Edit: and FF9 aswell :p

Nex
Jan 15 2009, 02:44 PM
^Palom/Parom and Rydia in FF4, Relm in FF6, Eiko in FF9, and it's more common in other RPG series. It's not too uncommon, and it's usually bad.

I don't think it's V-Jump. In this scan the high-resolution CG image of Sazh is on the right of the image of Lightning bitch-slapping him. In V-Jump it was on the left.

I can't tell who's the leader in that picture, Lightning or Sazh. The leader is the one with the yellow flag next to their name, same as FFXII.

Moklin
Jan 15 2009, 02:45 PM
Why ffxiii chars are so smiling?

Kitmitsu
Jan 15 2009, 02:47 PM
Japanesey beat me to it :aldo:.

It's hard to tell whether the kid shown there is an actual character. I would have thought if he was, there would be a photo of his artwork too. I'll wait to see if we can confirm where these came from and if there is a complete scan.

Sanji
Jan 15 2009, 02:50 PM
Why ffxiii chars are so smiling?

Not everyone is like Squall

Nex
Jan 15 2009, 02:52 PM
It's kind of weird for Nomura designed characters to be smiling in a still picture though, they never do. Even in Kingdom Hearts, when the characters NEVER stop smiling, they're sad-looking in the artwork.

BlankChocobo
Jan 15 2009, 02:53 PM
Best guess based on font and arrows is that it is V-Jump, but I don't know, and I'll keep looking around anyway.

Magazines double print pictures in these kinds of articles all the time when they don't have enough material, and then just pretend it pertains to multiple topics and that that was the reason they put it in twice.

Shadowriver
Jan 15 2009, 03:38 PM
Theres translation of whole page:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7448/translatewr4.jpg

If there was already then sorry ^^'
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7448/translatewr4.jpg)

Neal
Jan 15 2009, 03:44 PM
No, I dont think we had seen it. Thanks. <3

NikDK
Jan 15 2009, 03:45 PM
Thanks alot :D

Thunder
Jan 15 2009, 03:47 PM
you can do it dad! <3

BlankChocobo
Jan 15 2009, 03:49 PM
Thanks <3 It's a fine translation in general~ ^___^

EDIT: Don't get hung up on the "separation," though. That's just a bad word choice for discernment/judgment.

Shadowriver
Jan 15 2009, 03:53 PM
Thanks <3 It's a fine translation in general~ ^___^

I remind this is not my translation ^^' i only get it from other site

Final
Jan 15 2009, 04:01 PM
Thanks for the new scans! Sounds awesome that he can shoot the gun that the enemy drops :D

pupucachi
Jan 15 2009, 04:04 PM
I like that guy! He has that cheerful look on his face. Seems like Lightning doesnt get along well with him xD. And the tiny chocobo is so cute. Awwwww! :3

Desi
Jan 15 2009, 04:12 PM
You need to read the entire topic once more good sir. I was not aiming that post to you. In fact, I have agreed with everything you have said in here.
I was talking to the "racist" vakrotyr.

i could easily tell you were not directing your post at me. It wasn't hard or anything. I just wanted to express my hate for those characters you listed especially Zasalamel.

Everyone, I'm sure, has some stereotypical thoughts about a lot of things. Still, I don't see anyone complaining about how there are no Indians or Eskimos (a little out there, but still) in this game. I understand your point... But people do this all the time.Actually I bring that up a lot. Sometimes you do get lucky and another group is represented like American Indian which can be hit or miss too like in Shadow Hearts 3....

I honestly don't understand why some feel the new character is so offensive. It's funny how most of the black folks probably don't even remotely find it offensive but others feel it is. Whatever.I don't find him offensive I just find his style revolting. I'll let him keep the pants and the guns. Get some new shoes, new outerwear, change the hair. He could keep it nappy (afro is not natural shut the fuck up) or have the chocobo dangling on his cornrowed braids. Just get rid of that hideous afro.

Sabin
Jan 15 2009, 04:21 PM
i could easily tell you were not directing your post at me. It wasn't hard or anything. I just wanted to express my hate for those characters you listed especially Zasalamel.

Fair enough.


@ Shadowriver: Nice find.

Sanji
Jan 15 2009, 04:34 PM
Thanks for the scan! He sounds more intresting than I thought, but I still don't like his desing - or his hair.

pseudocognition
Jan 15 2009, 04:49 PM
Nice to see things have calmed down in here! *claps for civility*

I drew Sazh during class for giggles, anyone want me to scan him later?

Shadowriver
Jan 15 2009, 04:57 PM
I drew Sazh during class for giggles, anyone want me to scan him later?

Why not? :p go ahead ;]

Dream Machine
Jan 15 2009, 05:09 PM
I don't find him offensive I just find his style revolting. I'll let him keep the pants and the guns. Get some new shoes, new outerwear, change the hair. He could keep it nappy (afro is not natural shut the fuck up) or have the chocobo dangling on his cornrowed braids. Just get rid of that hideous afro.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_hair :aldo:

OK, he probably used an afro pick, but it's still natural. Straightened/'relaxed' hair is what I'd call 'unnatural'.

zzalbertzz
Jan 15 2009, 05:10 PM
Thanks for the scan "Shadowriver", this Sazh is very cool.
(http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/forums/member.php?u=4125)

mercy0001
Jan 15 2009, 05:14 PM
New Image (low quality)
http://p.pita.st/?zbuekuvw

Desi
Jan 15 2009, 05:15 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_hair :aldo:

OK, he probably used an afro pick, but it's still natural. Straightened/'relaxed' hair is what I'd call 'unnatural'.pick, cut, and oil sheen.

Kitmitsu
Jan 15 2009, 05:17 PM
New Image (low quality)
http://p.pita.st/?zbuekuvw

Already been posted here but thanks.

pseudocognition
Jan 15 2009, 05:24 PM
http://deathnote.wikia.com/wiki/Shuichi_Aizawa

Voila. The Japanese have a history with this hairstyle. It is unexplainable and makes no sense, but there it is.

Dream Machine
Jan 15 2009, 06:03 PM
pick, cut, and oil sheen.

I don't want to split hairs (lawls), but yeah all that stuff is unnatural, just like people with European hair shampoo and brush their hair. But there is a difference between maintaining your natural hair with those things and transforming it with hair straighteners/dye/extensions/etc.

Kätharina
Jan 15 2009, 06:33 PM
FUCK SAKE D: DOESN'T ANYBODY OWN A FUCKING SCANNER. Hnnnghh

I Got Himuroids
Jan 15 2009, 06:35 PM
I'm under the opinion that scanners don't exist in Japan given the cam:scan ratio. It seems every time something big comes up everyone who has the mag doesn't have a scanner.

Baharzack
Jan 15 2009, 06:39 PM
that black guy looks lame....I thought he would be some kind of mysterious character....all these characters don't impress me much yet

Neal
Jan 15 2009, 07:07 PM
If you want to moan about a shit character design, Star Ocean is a good one to look out for :wtf:

http://images.strategyinformer.com/screenshots/00292355.jpg

This is truely fucking shit.

Wandering Hands
Jan 15 2009, 07:17 PM
Star Ocean 4 is terrible. You know you have a problem when your character resembles an 8 year old, but is not one.

rigan
Jan 15 2009, 07:39 PM
I've never understood the japanese with their fantasy of having litle kids saving the world.. Or even teenagers saving the world is just not right, or girls in high heels with short skirts... but the kids saving the world is just absurd

Kitmitsu
Jan 15 2009, 07:43 PM
I've never understood the japanese with their fantasy of having litle kids saving the world.. Or even teenagers saving the world is just not right, or girls in high heels with short skirts... but the kids saving the world is just absurd

Oh and western media never does that.....

If you think kids saving the world in a fantasy game is absurd, I suppose Shiva turning into a motorcycle is like some kind of drug induced hallucination to you.

Slipstreamer
Jan 15 2009, 07:55 PM
Best character ever, instant win. You just know the chocobo is gonna get lost or die at some point.

Moklin
Jan 15 2009, 08:32 PM
Maybe baby chocobo will be related to black guy´s overlook.

Baharzack
Jan 15 2009, 08:34 PM
still need one auron or kaze.....if snow isn't one....as far as i know lighning is more man than the other male characters

Shadowriver
Jan 15 2009, 08:35 PM
I've never understood the japanese with their fantasy of having litle kids saving the world.. Or even teenagers saving the world is just not right, or girls in high heels with short skirts... but the kids saving the world is just absurd

Because major age group of this stuff is kids/teens? :p adults are lame for them ^^

Note one thing... our afro guy is middle aged ;]

pseudocognition
Jan 15 2009, 08:59 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/Felicific/090115_Sazh.jpg

Bow chicka wow woowwww. It's not much, but I'm getting my art college portfolio together *cry*
I had a good long think over why Sazh is being received as controversial. I'll post after I organize my thoughts at work.

Bluewing
Jan 15 2009, 08:59 PM
Should be more like this imo

http://i41.tinypic.com/107wgts.jpg

vakrotyr
Jan 15 2009, 09:08 PM
The new character is lame, mediocre, fail, and a total supreme Gaylord. Looks to be a mix between Irvine, Laguna, and Fred Williamson.

NikDK
Jan 15 2009, 09:15 PM
Lol why do you even keep posting vakrotyr? you have already said all those things plus you've said cause he's black you wont be playing the game xP and don't you think that you're the supreme "gaylord" i think we got it in our mind already that you hate him. :)

sobchack
Jan 15 2009, 09:28 PM
guy looks good, definitely nice to see a new black guy, even if took them 6 games

also who gives a fuck about natural hair, do you guys verbally attack every dude with an afro you meet?

NikDK
Jan 15 2009, 09:30 PM
^Fran from FFXII http://images.elfwood.com/fanq/l/o/lolia2/fran.jpg.rZd.198904.jpg looks pretty black to me. but she ain't a dude of course ;)

rigan
Jan 15 2009, 09:30 PM
Because major age group of this stuff is kids/teens? :p adults are lame for them ^^

Note one thing... our afro guy is middle aged ;]

I have gotten used to the teens going to save the world, but its just the kids thats always been buggin me

Oh and western media never does that.....

If you think kids saving the world in a fantasy game is absurd, I suppose Shiva turning into a motorcycle is like some kind of drug induced hallucination to you.

i think that when it comes to games the japanese does alot of kids saving the world... And Shiva turning into a motorcycle is another thing, it belongs to the whole fantasy concept that we all love and accept.

sobchack
Jan 15 2009, 09:32 PM
^Fran from FFXII http://images.elfwood.com/fanq/l/o/lolia2/fran.jpg.rZd.198904.jpg looks pretty black to me. but she ain't a dude of course ;)
doesn't count if she looks like a brazilian swimsuit model. plus there's nothing black to her except her skin colour

NikDK
Jan 15 2009, 09:36 PM
doesn't count if she looks like a brazilian swimsuit model. plus there's nothing black to her except her skin colour

then she's still black isn't she? :D

vakrotyr
Jan 15 2009, 09:41 PM
she isnt even human.

sobchack
Jan 15 2009, 09:51 PM
good point

finalmattasy
Jan 15 2009, 10:04 PM
I also immediately though that this was another, "black people are goofy" stereotype. but I don't assume that the game makers or anyone else involved hates black people by any stretch. Other negative examples would be the black guy from DOA and DOABV as well as Drebin from MGS4 whose only friends just so happened to be a monkey. I don't think that any of these stereotypes are necessarily uncalled for. And I'm generally more bothered by any person who gets up in arms over being marginalized by race while at the same time unnecessarily bolstering their race as being different from others. Seeing people as black dudes and white dudes is a problem the same as negativity towards a certain color. I'll say again, I hate it when people identify themselves through their skin color or ethnic background. People are people, be an individual and get over your familial identity.

Adam Blade
Jan 15 2009, 10:20 PM
Have these been posted already?

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/Blahface2/ffxiii2.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/Blahface2/ffxiii3.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/Blahface2/ffxiii1.jpg

Desi
Jan 15 2009, 10:23 PM
yes like three times.

And I'm generally more bothered by any person who gets up in arms over being marginalized while at the same time maintaining their identity as being different from others. Seeing people as black dudes and white dudes is the problem more so that negativity towards a certain color. I'll say again, I hate it when people identify themselves through their skin color or ethnic background. People are people, be an individual and get over your familial identity.....doesn't that just contradict your statement? People are people, be different, identity?

Paskoww
Jan 15 2009, 10:23 PM
yes, two no three times...

edit: tooooo slow!!!

Adam Blade
Jan 15 2009, 10:33 PM
yes like three times.

....doesn't that just contradict your statement? People are people, be different, identity?

Should have known.

finalmattasy
Jan 15 2009, 11:05 PM
yes like three times.

....doesn't that just contradict your statement? People are people, be different, identity?

Don't think so =). People are people meant that people are each individuals. Of course I wouldn't be saying that people are all the same or act the same or whatever. I just said what I said because I wish that different races would get over their race. I'm a white guy. But I don't want to place any identity in the fact that I was born white. My identity comes from the things i choose. It's annoying to meet people of any race who feel some intrinsic identity with their race. To me racism has two sides; those who hate or discriminate against race and those who cling to their race as a form of identity.

edit: just read my post and yeah, "marginalized while at the same time maintaining their identity as being different from others." should have been "racially marginalized" and "racial identity" all in all it is a bad misleading sentence. =(

monkeybananayum
Jan 15 2009, 11:20 PM
I for one think the new guy is cool. Not because he's black, but because he seems like a cool, kind-hearted, and good humored guy who just happens to be black.

Jeez, I'm so sick of racism popping up in every topic. Even fantasy games with fictional races are not safe! >_<

Would it be better if he looked like Steve Urkel? Just accept the character for what he is and stop pretending that he represents the entire black population.