New Drawing of Characters at Jump Festa

[Vidya]

Found this at http://104th.net/xitop.htm. Check the 1226 entry, it's the link within the entry.

Image:
http://104th.net/sd/mmlg_121jf.jpg

Go wild :aldo:

[Pixel]

OH SHIT. :wtf:

Goggles boy looks like a douche.

And that other guy (ON THE FAR RIGHT MIND YOU) looks like whathisnamefromac... with a different hair colour.

[Final]

Finally! Thanks a lot Vidya :D

[Vidya]

No problem. :]

Okay, Asian girl love. Yep. Goggles looks kinda lame now, not really what I imagined but ah well.

Yay pretty drawings. <3

EDIT: I refrain from saying lame now, he is just different from what I imagined. Stupidity is here.

[Naunen]

Now these are sexy. Goggles' depiction = <3

[chocobosmoogles]

haha and here i was thinking that goggles was gonna be some boy child thing ahha :wub:

[Moklin]

Goggles boy is anoying. I cant stare at him.
Is that afro char? He looks old and smart.
Asian woman looks beautifull in this drawing, all the other drawings she looked weird.
This chars are very diferent from other final fantasies which is a good thing.

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

These took a while to surface :aldo:

Wohhoooo, thanks a heap Vidya :cookie:

[Little Miss Scarlett]

Whoa, Asian girl looks absolutely gorgeous! Goggles and Ginger look a million times better than what I imagined, too. If this is how they turn out I will be so happy <3

These are by far the best pictures we've seen of them, can't wait to see them in the game. Thanks loads for the great find!!!

[mercy0001]

I could imagine couples:

- Asian women and Snow
- Afro guy and Lightning
- Vanille and shota boy XD

Or if SE is being naughty:

- Snow and Shota boy XD hot
- Vanille and Lightning (new spell: creamy thunder:D)
- Asian Woman and Afro guy:wub:

What the **** am I thinking??? :blink:

Thanks for the drawing.

[Nex]

Holy crap the black guy with orange hair actually WORKS. That's amazing. O.o

The other two look pretty cool as well, Goggles looks like a young Cid Highwind.

[Monkey]

This needs to be on the main page. =/

They all look great, can't wait to see them in 3d goodness!

[Kitmitsu]

This needs to be on the main page. =/

Although they're nice to look at, we've had so many fan drawings already which all seem to look different. If someone wants to confirm these characters look like what was shown in the CMT, I'll front page them.

[Lord Of Dumbasses]

I know that people dont like us to make comparisions to ffXIII charaters with past characters but i must say asian chick reminds me of lulu and googles looks to me like a male version of rikku

[Vidya]

Although they're nice to look at, we've had so many fan drawings already which all seem to look different. If someone wants to confirm these characters look like what was shown in the CMT, I'll front page them.
I have no problem with that at all. ^_^ I just thought they seemed interesting and may have been fairly accurate, they seemed accurate according to the reports we have been getting as well.

We'll see with what Blank has to say. :]

[Kitmitsu]

I have no problem with that at all. ^_^ I just thought they seemed interesting and may have been fairly accurate, they seemed accurate according to the reports we have been getting as well.

We'll see with what Blank has to say. :]

Oh I agree. I was just explaining to Monkey why they won't be front paged yet. :)

[kakalakingma]

Very nice drawings. I cannot wait for the CGI screenshots of these sexy FF characters!

[Nex]

Although they're nice to look at, we've had so many fan drawings already which all seem to look different. If someone wants to confirm these characters look like what was shown in the CMT, I'll front page them.

I think they'll be close enough, this is the same artist that does most of the fan drawings from the CMT, he/she is normally very accurate. Hopefully Blank / someone else can verify that.

Are the links brokedead for anybody else?

[Saki Liu]

Wow, those look great.

[Vidya]

I think they'll be close enough, this is the same artist that does most of the fan drawings from the CMT, he/she is normally very accurate. Hopefully Blank / someone else can verify that.

Are the links brokedead for anybody else?
Best to get Blank's verifying skills.

They both work fine for me. o.o; I saved the image though, just in case it goes down due to increased site traffic. xD

[Nex]

Best to get Blank's verifying skills.

They both work fine for me. o.o; I saved the image though, just in case it goes down due to increased site traffic. xD


It's working again now. =)

[monkeybananayum]

Well, if any of you have seen this person's previous artwork for Square characters from the CMT, they are always extremely accurate. Here's some old art of previously unveiled characters. These were made before the official images were made public and they're quite accurate and good.http://www.khinsider.com/images/%21TGS08/xion.jpg http://static.flickr.com/3266/2728056398_842b0493b3.jpgNow all we need is the artist's translation on her website and Blank's opinions on these drawings.

[Saki Liu]

^ Oh ya. I've seen these before!!!!

[Pulse]

Those drawings are very nice. I actually don't think that goggles kid looks that bad now, I was worried he was going to turn out being like a scrawnier version of Sora from kingdom hearts. I actually think if he was small and muscular it would be pretty cool. I think in all honesty, the 'afro' dude isn't African Black, but Indian black? It may just be the drawing. But its cool either way, i like the RED hair, wouldn't be too fond of gingerness again, Im sensing he'll be just another Wakka. I don't think asian girl reminds me of lulu in any way, if anything she's one of the more original characters, obviously except the minor Yuffie aesthetic ( hopes she is totally different to Yuffie in personality as well )

Josh

[OujiMakaSan]

Awesome looking characters.:)

[Fantasy]

Google Guy Rocks >_>

[BlankChocobo]

*&##($$$# Blank doesn't know anymoooooore.... I've looked at too many weirdo fan drawings since Jump Festa. ~__~

The closest one (I think.....) is Asian Girl. I think Goggles Boy and Black Dude are off. XD Goggles boy's hair was something to that effect, but he's more fun looking when he's wearing pink and black crazy clothes.

However, this girl is the one who did our most accurate Stella before Stella was shown in magazines...

EDIT: By the way, please be nice to that site and don't post her stuff everywhere. She prefers that a link to her main page be given. She's Kanae's friend and Kanae does good stuff for us. <3

[Adam Blade]

Asian girl looks awesome.

[Thunder]

Wow asian girl is gorgeous <3
To be honest afro dude doesnt look african at all and i dont feel any Wakka vibe, thats positive :3 He seems so smart http://www.akatsukifan.org/_altervista_ht/gif/sasa.gif
Also goggles boy is not that weird as i was expected :lol:

[Larsal]

Asian girl's design is quite boring. -.-
Goggle boy and orange dude look cool.
time for some official stuff.

[AT23]

Drawings are pretty good, but I'll wait to see the official designs.

[GalvanizA]

If Kadaj actually looks like that in a scene in ACC I will buy a PS3 and import the movie just to view that scene.

[Wacka14]

They all look pretty spanknastyawesome. I've been waiting for this artist to give us an accurate depiction of the characters. Goggles and fro look different than I though but I think the designs are all winning so far^_^

[xaleskx]

They look nice.

[7 of Hope]

I like 'em. Both Afro guy & Goggles boy look different then what id expected, but look cool. Asian lady looks gorgeous.

Time for some official stuff please!

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

Goggles boy's hair was something to that effect, but he's more fun looking when he's wearing pink and black crazy clothes.
he's more fun looking when he's wearing pink and black crazy clothes.
wearing pink and black crazy clothes.
pink and black crazy clothes.




uuuuuuh did we always know about this?

Honestly since the day we got the descriptions I've been picturing all sorts of monstrosities. I really hope the designs aren't as bad as I think they are, I mean if Blank isn't confirming the images here...

[BlankChocobo]

uuuuuuh did we always know about this?

Honestly since the day we got the descriptions I've been picturing all sorts of monstrosities. I really hope the designs aren't as bad as I think they are, I mean if Blank isn't confirming the images here...

Omg. I'm sorry, I forget things. A lot, apparently. That is some pretty impressive stupid.

:lol:

Yeah, I won't confirm or deny these. Too much time has passed since Jump Festa and I'm really not sure anymore. SE needs to: get their shop theater running so I can take some real notes (or people can attempt to record the trailers), hand over images of the new characters to the magazines, or RELEASE THE DAMN TRAILER. It's not like it's got anything that's going to spoil the whole game. >___>

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

Omg. I'm sorry, I forget things. A lot, apparently. That is some pretty impressive stupid.

:lol:

Yeah, I won't confirm or deny these. Too much time has passed since Jump Festa and I'm really not sure anymore. SE needs to: get their shop theater running so I can take some real notes (or people can attempt to record the trailers), hand over images of the new characters to the magazines, or RELEASE THE DAMN TRAILER. It's not like it's got anything that's going to spoil the whole game. >___>
Haha I wouldn't beat myself over it :lol:

Jesus that they do. |^: You know I'm not even going to try and understand why they're so secretive about their shit. Whose genius was it to have the CMT anyway - was this an SE thing since X or something?

[XwingsofaresX]

wow, thats awesome. goggles boy.:lol:

[rigan]

they look ok but they just seem to be the kind of characters thats there to fill in the empty slots of characters in the game menu.. i just hope that they make the gameplay so that you actually have to use all of the characters

[Nex]

Jesus that they do. |^: You know I'm not even going to try and understand why they're so secretive about their shit. Whose genius was it to have the CMT anyway - was this an SE thing since X or something?

It's for money purposes, so it was probably Wada's idea. They put trailers in the CMT, technically showing it but hiding it from the public. Then, they take a couple of pictures and sell them to the Japanese magazines like Dengeki and Famitsu (which is why they're always the ones reporting on it. They payed for it).

SE charges for everything, but the people they're ripping off the most is probably those magazines. The second they show those trailers those magazines must be all over SE for "exclusives" that might turn up in another magazine a day or two before.

[BlankChocobo]

It's for money purposes, so it was probably Wada's idea. They put trailers in the CMT, technically showing it but hiding it from the public. Then, they take a couple of pictures and sell them to the Japanese magazines like Dengeki and Famitsu (which is why they're always the ones reporting on it. They payed for it).

SE charges for everything, but the people they're ripping off the most is probably those magazines. The second they show those trailers those magazines must be all over SE for "exclusives" that might turn up in another magazine a day or two before.

Actually, no media take pictures of the screens at TGS or Jump Festa for game specific articles. Photography or video of screens isn't permitted at ANY booth. Please stop thinking that SE is somehow special in this regard. They just have azzloads of security to enforce the same rules everybody else has signs for. ~_~;

I imagine that unless a game is so unpopular, a magazine doesn't even want to run an article for it, everybody has to pay for everybody's screens if anybody is paying for anybody's screens. Amounts may very. Unless somebody actually gets into Famitsu to ask, I don't think we'll ever know. I'm not convinced SE makes anybody pay, since it's excellent free advertising for them every time they get a front page. Their articles aren't any different from any other front page, either.

Also, pretty much every magazine releases an SE article at the same time when new information comes out. You just never see Gemaga's or anybody else's because the rest of their magazines is tripe. I bought Gemaga twice and can't stand the thought of wading through that many panty shots ever again. Since everyone always gets information, they have to know it's not exclusive ever. Also, V-Jump consistently comes out with the pics first, so the idea that Famitsu and Dengeki are keeping an oligopoly on the data through money is just kinda dead. :cookie:

/bitchmode off

Sorry... ~___~; I don't deny CMT is ridiculously annoying pretty much all the time, though.

[Nex]

Actually, no media take pictures of the screens at TGS or Jump Festa for game specific articles. Photography or video of screens isn't permitted at ANY booth. Please stop thinking that SE is somehow special in this regard. They just have azzloads of security to enforce the same rules everybody else has signs for. ~_~;

I imagine that unless a game is so unpopular, a magazine doesn't even want to run an article for it, everybody has to pay for everybody's screens if anybody is paying for anybody's screens. Amounts may very. Unless somebody actually gets into Famitsu to ask, I don't think we'll ever know. I'm not convinced SE makes anybody pay, since it's excellent free advertising for them every time they get a front page. Their articles aren't any different from any other front page, either.

Also, pretty much every magazine releases an SE article at the same time when new information comes out. You just never see Gemaga's or anybody else's because the rest of their magazines is tripe. I bought Gemaga twice and can't stand the thought of wading through that many panty shots ever again. Since everyone always gets information, they have to know it's not exclusive ever. Also, V-Jump consistently comes out with the pics first, so the idea that Famitsu and Dengeki are keeping an oligopoly on the data through money is just kinda dead. :cookie:

/bitchmode off

Sorry... ~___~; I don't deny CMT is ridiculously annoying pretty much all the time, though.

But companies actually release their footage, even if you can't video tape it directly. All of TGS and Jump Festa isn't a CMT. =P

I have no doubt that every company makes every magazine pay for exclusive shots of their games, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the reason that SE use the CMT so often is BECAUSE of that. Most companies will do both, but SE never releases anything unless they get money in return.

If it's a trailer, it's on a DVD (or being payed 1mil by Microsoft...), if its a picture its in a magazine. It's never just released. SE ARE special, because Wada's the biggest money whore in the Northern Hemisphere.

[Purple]

Looks nice. Thanks

[rigan]

/bitchmode off



:lol: i think i like the bitchmode better:lol:

[BlankChocobo]

But companies actually release their footage, even if you can't video tape it directly. All of TGS and Jump Festa isn't a CMT. =P

I have no doubt that every company makes every magazine pay for exclusive shots of their games, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the reason that SE use the CMT so often is BECAUSE of that. Most companies will do both, but SE never releases anything unless they get money in return.

If it's a trailer, it's on a DVD (or being payed 1mil by Microsoft...), if its a picture its in a magazine. It's never just released. SE ARE special, because Wada's the biggest money whore in the Northern Hemisphere.

Wada isn't the God of Square. Other people make decisions too.

I don't know why they don't release trailers for Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts related games, but every other trailer is public at TGS and JF. Only Square-side projects get shown in the CMT, so I'm betting it has to do with that.

SE has two separate screens for showing, one is the CMT and the other is the Open Mega Theater. You never hear about the OMT because nobody cares. :lol: CMT is an excellent marketing strategy in Japan, because Japanese people have "GET" fever. I've never heard a single Japanese person be pissed over CMT, even if they don't get in. We're the only ones.

In case you forgot, everything that goes on in CMT and Japanese magazines is for the benefit of Japanese gamers. It's not directed at us, nor is the fact that CMT is so freaking hard to see for a non-Japanese an attack on us. From Toriyama's interview, it seems like SE is barely even aware of what a big deal FF13 already is to their foreign fans. ~__~; What we need is advertising actually aimed at us. Hopefully it'll start this year, but who knows? They haven't even finished the game in Japan. Who knows how long localization will take.

Also, this talk of who's paying SE how much more than they pay other companies is just silly. Unless you've got some photos of reciepts or somebody from Square-Enix talking about how much they're paid, you don't know how much magazines and Microsoft are paying and niether do I nor anyone else here.

And no, magazines aren't paying for exclusive shots from SE. And I can say that conclusively because if they were, we wouldn't be having 95% repeat screens that have near simultaneous release dates. That's not even close to exclusive. That's like the entire opposite of exclusive. Not only do the magazines have to suffer from everybody else getting nearly the exact same material as them, they all get it at the same time and end up publishing it simultaneously, making it as public magazine-wise as it could possibly get.

That's why they waste twenty hours of my life every time they print an SE article with their gigantic analysis and opinions sections. They're trying to make it unique somehow cause the screenshots are pretty much all the same. ~__________~;

Also, SE's employees, just like any other publicly owned company's, have to keep profit as high as they possibly can, is not because they want to stuff as much of our cash into their pockets as possible, but because their stockholders will EAT them if they don't. Last time I checked, some douchebag owns about 30%+ of Square-Enix by HIMSELF. That's more than any stock company (more than all of them put together, actually). If I was Wada, I would freaking fear him too.

Sorry, ~__~ Gosh don't ya just love seeing the same shit three times, it's so magical. ^ is why I have so much sand in my panties. It's so much worse when it's people blaming others in random and weird ways.

There's plenty of better reasons to complain about Square than to claim that they're somehow completely different from other companies. The only noticeable difference is they don't make available for viewing on the internet trailers from two franchises out of their dozen or so of upcoming games.

Like Lightning's cardboard collar, or that Versus is going to be totally homo/emo/any other mo, you name it, I'm sure there's something to say. ~___~;

[rigan]

I dont know really why you/we bothers even to discuss something like this, we all know how long the freakin game will take before release in NA and EU ... so all this information teasing us and them not showing real stuff etc is just normal at this point of time... and seriously SE is just like any other company, they do it for the MONEY! and if they didnt (which doesnt make sence) do it for the money than we would never play good games as FF because they cost to much.

i dont really care whether or not they sell screenshots to magazines (which i dont think they do) but if they did it wouldnt be surprising... and its like 3 months before the demo so we will all have our hearts setisfied with some gameplay videos.

i actually like that MS paid for having the game on their system, the richer SE is the better!!! I wish them all success and hopefully they will blow our mind with their next FF (FFXIV)...

BTW i think this thread has got way out of hand... so while we'll still at it: is there ANYONE that can say anything about TLR?? i wanna buy the game but i'm still on the edge cause it costs alot where i'm from

[BlankChocobo]

I dont know really why you/we bothers even to discuss something like this [...]

... so while we'll still at it: is there ANYONE that can say anything about TLR?? i wanna buy the game but i'm still on the edge cause it costs alot where i'm from

Agreed, and I can't say much about the game as a whole, but I played the demo at TGS and I will be buying it when I get home. I did love it.

[rigan]

Agreed, and I can't say much about the game as a whole, but I played the demo at TGS and I will be buying it when I get home. I did love it.

Hmm, i think i'm gonna rent it (if i can find it somewhere)

[Nex]

Wada isn't god of Square but he is the head, and he does make the major decisions. Is there really any doubt that it was him that decided to make the game multiplatform? Have you heard the not-so-subtle hints that the rest of the company hates him?

Do you really think there was no money involved in FFXIII going multiplatform a week (or less) before the Microsoft E3 press conference? The decision was made directly before, we know that, everyone said that. Two weeks before SE had actually said "100% PS3 exclusive".

We know Microsoft pays millions of dollars for exclusives. They did it with the GTA4 DC, the Fallout 3 DC, and FFXIII was quite possibly the PS3's biggest game. It didn't take Square three years to decide whether or not to take the game multiplatform, they were quite obviously negotiating between Sony and Microsoft for money. Money runs this business, it's the only reason Wada is in it (as opposed to the developers who actually work on the game and enjoy their job...). So yeah, it's definantly good for the stock holders and for the company's pockets, there's no doubt about that. I don't need solid evidence to prove that it's happening, just think about it logically.

Do you really think SE are the only major Japanese studio left completely unaware of the Western audience? Haven't SE employees constantly mentioned the importance of the international audience this generation? I believe more SE games have come out on 360 than the PS3 and Wii. What reason could Square possibly have for showing every single trailer for every single big game in the CMT? Even if the Japanese audience accepts it, there's no doubt that Square knows how the Western audience is reacting to it. Every single major game website and magazine mocks them for it.

The difference between exclusive and non exclusive isn't enough to say "conclusively" that SE isn't making magazines buy their screenshots. Didn't you say a second ago that every company makes every magazine pay for them (which is entirely true)? Do you really think that SE would give out screenshots of Japan's biggest game to magazines desperate for that info, for free, when those magazines are the only way to get a hold of the screenshots? O_o

The CMT makes demand, not for the game (demand for the game obviously decreases), for information. The magazines release that information. And correct me if I'm wrong, but SE never EVER releases information of any kind if they're not being payed for it. There is something wrong with the company. No, wait, let me rephrase that. There isn't something wrong with it, it's making money, it's what it's supposed to be doing, but it is an incredibly annoying strategy that pisses off fans (at least the Western ones) and no other company does it.

Are you serious that Japanese gamers don't mind the CMT? That's amazing, I don't know how they do it. >__< And they said localisation times for the game will be significantly cut down, that probably means a month or two. =)

[BlankChocobo]

I'd bother to make a big reply, but I'm not going to. ~___~;

FF and KH are the otaku game lines. Dragonquest is what everybody knows.

And no, I didn't say anything about what every company does. I said SE is probably the same, regardless of what companies do or don't do. Please read more carefully.

And like I said, you have no idea what magazines do and do not pay for, and niether does anybody else here. You're just making things up. =_=; SE's articles are no different from any other game's.

Finish.

[rigan]

SE knows how big FF is and they know that no matter what they do people are going to buy the shit. We may hate the way they starve us with information about a game that has been in developement for about five fucking years but still we all are going to buy the game, right?! I really think that the best thing to do is just go and buy yourselves all great games that is out there and just play the hell out of them and when FFXIII comes out, buy it too just like anyother game. Cause in the end it is JUST A GAME!!!!

I really dont like the strategi SE is going with but what can you do? They are hungry for money just like anyother company. I'm just gonna bite my tounge for now and wait til the game comes out and see if it was worth all the hype. And i think that the fans are going to just point at all the things the game dont do right and not really enjoy it to the fullest because we've been waiting for so long and been speculating about so much things, and then we got Versus so all we're going to think about is " wait til versus comes out" ... man i'm gonna go and play some MCLA, i get so tired of this

[Kurai Warrior]

Wada is the biggest SQEX ass evar!!! :cookie:
He can get fired and go work at some wal-mart or something.
(Unfortunately he does his job correctly, he makes the company money, but he does it in the worst ways possible)

[Saki Liu]

^Bahaha, you guys (BlankChocobo & Nex) make me laugh like a fat person (I just spilled a whole bunch of food on myself)

[Nex]

^I are a comedic genius. :wtf:

I'd bother to make a big reply, but I'm not going to. ~___~;

FF and KH are the otaku game lines. Dragonquest is what everybody knows.

And no, I didn't say anything about what every company does. I said SE is probably the same, regardless of what companies do or don't do. Please read more carefully.

And like I said, you have no idea what magazines do and do not pay for, and niether does anybody else here. You're just making things up. =_=; SE's articles are no different from any other game's.

Finish.

How can you say that SE is "probably the same" when it is so different with it's marketing strategies? Can you name any other company that hides all the footage of its biggest games? Or that only ever releases info when they're being payed? And yes, they are DEFINANTLY being payed, it's incredibly moronic to say otherwise.

I'm not making things up, if you can't see the logic that's your own fault. Like I said- Do you really think Square Enix would give out screenshots of Japan's biggest game to magazines desperate for that info, for free, when those magazines are the only way to get a hold of the screenshots?

There isn't a gaming company on the planet which would do that, least of all Square Enix.

Sorry if that post came out... assholish. I'm a little cranky right now. >_<

[AT23]

Wada isn't god of Square but he is the head, and he does make the major decisions. Is there really any doubt that it was him that decided to make the game multiplatform? Have you heard the not-so-subtle hints that the rest of the company hates him?

Do you really think there was no money involved in FFXIII going multiplatform a week (or less) before the Microsoft E3 press conference? The decision was made directly before, we know that, everyone said that. Two weeks before SE had actually said "100% PS3 exclusive".

We know Microsoft pays millions of dollars for exclusives. They did it with the GTA4 DC, the Fallout 3 DC, and FFXIII was quite possibly the PS3's biggest game. It didn't take Square three years to decide whether or not to take the game multiplatform, they were quite obviously negotiating between Sony and Microsoft for money. Money runs this business, it's the only reason Wada is in it (as opposed to the developers who actually work on the game and enjoy their job...). So yeah, it's definantly good for the stock holders and for the company's pockets, there's no doubt about that. I don't need solid evidence to prove that it's happening, just think about it logically.

Do you really think SE are the only major Japanese studio left completely unaware of the Western audience? Haven't SE employees constantly mentioned the importance of the international audience this generation? I believe more SE games have come out on 360 than the PS3 and Wii. What reason could Square possibly have for showing every single trailer for every single big game in the CMT? Even if the Japanese audience accepts it, there's no doubt that Square knows how the Western audience is reacting to it. Every single major game website and magazine mocks them for it.

The difference between exclusive and non exclusive isn't enough to say "conclusively" that SE isn't making magazines buy their screenshots. Didn't you say a second ago that every company makes every magazine pay for them (which is entirely true)? Do you really think that SE would give out screenshots of Japan's biggest game to magazines desperate for that info, for free, when those magazines are the only way to get a hold of the screenshots? O_o

The CMT makes demand, not for the game (demand for the game obviously decreases), for information. The magazines release that information. And correct me if I'm wrong, but SE never EVER releases information of any kind if they're not being payed for it. There is something wrong with the company. No, wait, let me rephrase that. There isn't something wrong with it, it's making money, it's what it's supposed to be doing, but it is an incredibly annoying strategy that pisses off fans (at least the Western ones) and no other company does it.

Are you serious that Japanese gamers don't mind the CMT? That's amazing, I don't know how they do it. >__< And they said localisation times for the game will be significantly cut down, that probably means a month or two. =)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This!!! :wub:

[Jay_Z]

*ahem*

Obviously people aren't actually looking at what Blankchocobo is saying, and instead are just freaking out.

Square Enix is not focusing on marketing the game to a western audience right now, they are marketing to Japan. And Japanese people (unlike the west) have a much higher tolerance for waiting for things. SE is so far away from releasing this game, that frankly, we are lucky to be getting any new information on it. They could easily just have waited until March without saying anything. And do you really expect them to be showing you everything you want to see right now? No, because then you would have months without any more information because SE would have already showed all their cards.

The key to marketing is to spread information thin, giving the public a semi-constant stream of it to keep their intrest until release. And everybody can say how much they hate the CMT's but it doesn't matter because the response they are getting out of people is exactly what they are meant to. They keep their audience captivated with something they aren't allowed to see, which is much more effective than showing everyone the trailer publicly. As seen from the E3 trailer for example, everyone glosses over it within a few days. People want what they can't have, and mysteries lose all of their mystique once they are revealed.

So stop complaining and wait like everybody else. It's not like moaning about it on a forum is going to get us the game any faster.

[Wandering Hands]

Wada isn't god of Square but he is the head, and he does make the major decisions.

I lol'd.

Like any company, he is obliged to first propose his ideas. Then THE BOARD, the collective asses TRULY running the company vote on the issue with the interests of the stockholders placed first and foremost.

I think you would be best served addressing your issues with Square Enix's management in a letter to them.

Have you heard the not-so-subtle hints that the rest of the company hates him?

And because, as you stated, Wada is not "god of Square", if everyone really had a problem with him, they would boot him. Business shares some similarities with politics. He's just a figurehead who was elected.

[Nex]

^Then the collective board of asses should all be kicked. =P I'm not arguing that what they're doing isn't good for the company's profits and the stockholders, I'm saying it's bad for the games and actual developers.

And I do know that some employees at the company don't like him (the whole company hating him was an overreaction, I tend to do that).

*ahem*

Obviously people aren't actually looking at what Blankchocobo is saying, and instead are just freaking out.

Square Enix is not focusing on marketing the game to a western audience right now, they are marketing to Japan. And Japanese people (unlike the west) have a much higher tolerance for waiting for things. SE is so far away from releasing this game, that frankly, we are lucky to be getting any new information on it. They could easily just have waited until March without saying anything. And do you really expect them to be showing you everything you want to see right now? No, because then you would have months without any more information because SE would have already showed all their cards.

The key to marketing is to spread information thin, giving the public a semi-constant stream of it to keep their intrest until release. And everybody can say how much they hate the CMT's but it doesn't matter because the response they are getting out of people is exactly what they are meant to. They keep their audience captivated with something they aren't allowed to see, which is much more effective than showing everyone the trailer publicly. As seen from the E3 trailer for example, everyone glosses over it within a few days. People want what they can't have, and mysteries lose all of their mystique once they are revealed.

So stop complaining and wait like everybody else. It's not like moaning about it on a forum is going to get us the game any faster.

You realise the game is releasing this year right? 2009. This year. Do you know how many years the average video game is advertised for? Very few games are released in the same year they were announced, I can only name a couple of big games this entire generation. You can't seriously think the game is too far away for the company to be advertising it? O.o

And nobody said anything about them "showing all their cards", there's a bit of a difference between that and them putting every trailer for every major game in the CMT.

And I think you're overestimating the amount of hype FFXIII has. You're on an FFXIII-dedicated forum remember. Most people I've seen, even a lot of FF fans, have little hype because they're sick of the lack of info. The average gamer doesn't even know they've shown screenshots of gameplay. Hey, look, and underreaction. =O

Let's take it your way for a second. Square Enix is casually ignoring their (much bigger) Western audience so they can "advertise" to a more tolerant Japanese audience. With every single major title. Correct? Am I the only one who thinks that sounds incredibly stupid?

And none of you have provided an explanation to why SE only ever releases info when they're getting payed. Am I right or wrong? If it's a trailer it's on a DVD, if its a screenshot it's in a magazine, if it's a demo it sure as hell isn't getting put on Live or PSN.

I have a right to rant on the internet, there's nothing wrong with it and it won't kill you so stop whinging. And I was just answering a question in the first place anyway.

[Wandering Hands]

And none of you have provided an explanation to why SE only ever releases info when they're getting payed.


Square Enix follows the scent of money. Can't make games without it.

[rigan]

I admit (i think once again) that we've seen really nothing much of gameplay or ingame footage but rather alot of good looking CGI that really doesnt matter to me because they dont say anything about the game, really. And as SE knows, people dont have to know anything else than that its an FF game and its coming out (god knows when)... All the information about the history or about the characters is just text from the magazines.

And really "Nex" think about this way, SE has been developing both FFXIII and Versus for FIVE years, thats a very long time and they are working on 2 big games at the same time, just think of how much money they're spending paying their staff and devs. Is it really then that they're trying to collect every penny they can from everybody? I would have done the same, anybody would have.

But soon we all have the demo and after that there will be VERY little we know about the game, cause there aint much to know in an RPG than how the battle system works and how good the graphics are, and we allready know pretty much how the story will be like...

and this thread is so off the topic as it can get, just shut it down

[Nex]

Ergh... I've said a couple of times now that what Wada and co. are doing is GOOD for companies profits and the stockholders. I know that, I never disputed that, they're making money and that's what they're supposed to be doing. NOT my point.

And I think you'll find there's a lot more about a JRPG that can be revealed beforehand than other genres. We know very little about the storyline right now, most of the cast hasn't even been revealed, we know very little about the battle system, the world, the features, the music, etc. There are a thousand things they could still reveal, even after the demo.

Square Enix follows the scent of money. Can't make games without it.

Well obviously, that's not what I meant. I know why they're doing it, what I'm saying is, can you name a single other company that does it?

My point-

Square Enix is special. Do anything for money, won't do anything if not getting payed. Good for pockets, bad for developers (depending on the decision), bad for fans.

[Wandering Hands]

I'm sure most other companies, in the video game field or not, do it. Not only does it score them some extra pocket change, but knowing who they've sold the information to is a good way to keep track of who is printing it without permission.

I'd eat my hat and then kill myself if Square Enix were the only company to do it.

I mean really, your complaint is a bit pathetic. You say Square Enix only ever releases information in exchange for money, but you can't definitively prove that. I don't understand how it hurts the fans, it's not something you've really explained other than "Oh, they have to pay for the magazines", which several people would do anyway.

It really does seem as if it's all a cover for you to paint Square Enix as evil and Wada as the worst CEO to ever exist.

How would you have survived back before the internet was so widespread? Back before the internet began to usurp printed media and everyone could get whatever they wanted 24/7? Back when the only thing you could do was, you know, buy magazines? ... Holy shit, it's the internet's fault.

[Jay_Z]

My point-

Square Enix is special. Do anything for money, won't do anything if not getting payed. Good for pockets, bad for developers (depending on the decision), bad for fans.

I disagree. They are making more money so they can make more games for the fans. And at the end of the day, you're getting a very high quality game either way, whether you get all the info you want beforehand or not. So really, why the complaining?

[Nex]

Because I was answering someone's question. I'm NOT trying to start a friggin revolution here, I'm just pointing it out. Why do you all think I'm trying to change something?

I'm sure most other companies, in the video game field or not, do it. Not only does it score them some extra pocket change, but knowing who they've sold the information to is a good way to keep track of who is printing it without permission.

I'd eat my hat and then kill myself if Square Enix were the only company to do it.

I mean really, your complaint is a bit pathetic. You say Square Enix only ever releases information in exchange for money, but you can't definitively prove that. I don't understand how it hurts the fans, it's not something you've really explained other than "Oh, they have to pay for the magazines", which several people would do anyway.

It really does seem as if it's all a cover for you to paint Square Enix as evil and Wada as the worst CEO to ever exist.

How would you have survived back before the internet was so widespread? Back before the internet began to usurp printed media and everyone could get whatever they wanted 24/7? Back when the only thing you could do was, you know, buy magazines? ... Holy shit, it's the internet's fault.

Ok, I'll say it again.

My point is-

Square Enix hides all their major games in the CMT so they can then sell information rather than simply releasing it. This is bad for fans because - we do not get to see the game, hype is lost, the opportunity to actually watch the trailers in their original source or play the demo at all barely exists for most of us, there's the "You have to pay to play/see this" issue, etc.

You say I don't have proof they get payed, that's just ridiculous. They're getting payed for the demo, where do you think our money goes? They're getting payed for the Cloud DVDs they release, where do you think our money goes?

And then the one that I don't have any solid proof for except for simple, undeniable LOGIC. In other words, you have to use your brain to understand. Do you really think Square Enix would give out screenshots of Japan's biggest game to magazines desperate for that info, for free, when those magazines are the only way to get a hold of the screenshots?

And yes, since the introduction of the internet, game companies have been able to market their games much more effectively. We can download videos, demos, screenshots, information, anything. Can you name a single other game company that follows Square's "marketing campaign". You said you doubt there isn't, but I can't think of anyone else.

And why would I want to "paint Square Enix as evil and Wada as the worst CEO ever", I really like the company. I don't like what they're doing, but I love their games. What reason could I possibly have for doing that? :|

[Wandering Hands]

Square Enix didn't release the CLOUD DVD or the Re: DVD. They were published by Mediaworks and Enterbrain respectively. ONOZ. I have to pay for something that costs money to get published by unaffiliated companies! THAT'S WRONG!

Hype isn't that important anyway. Square Enix still have a massive fanbase who are going to buy the game anyway. God forbid I lose interest for the game while other games are coming out that I can actually get my hands on, right? I mean, I should blindly put my faith in one company, shouldn't I? That makes total sense.

I don't understand why you, personally, are bitching anyway. You don't pay for the magazines. You don't pay for the info. Don't you just come here like the rest of us and get it for free? Oh wait, I can actually read that underneath you now... soap...box... Okay, it all makes sense now.

I believe this (http://www.google.com.au/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENAU262&=&q=just+shut+the+fuck+up%2C+no+one+cares&btnG=Google+Search&meta=lr%3D) will help you understand MY point.

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

god forbid someone tries to answer an ignorant tart's question and he gets coined as a batshit whiny ape.

Thanks anyway, Nex and BlankChocobo.

[Wandering Hands]

... I'm... not going to lie to you. What was the original question? Never mind. Sunshine and smiles for all-- Oh god, something's wrong with me...

[Kätharina]

Because I was answering someone's question. I'm NOT trying to start a friggin revolution here, I'm just pointing it out. Why do you all think I'm trying to change something?

Ok, I'll say it again.

My point is-

Square Enix hides all their major games in the CMT so they can then sell information rather than simply releasing it. This is bad for fans because - we do not get to see the game, hype is lost, the opportunity to actually watch the trailers in their original source or play the demo at all barely exists for most of us, there's the "You have to pay to play/see this" issue, etc.?[/b]

Please, some people buy it. But like myself and others who are willing to part with their money for books and demos etc.. Along with the fucking import bill, we actually bother to share the god damn information.
Fuck i couldn't have scanned Re: and CLOUD: Message i couldn't of sat there and cleaned all the fucking pages just for the viewing pleasure of others who do not have to pay.
I couldn't have paid fucking 26 pounds for a 790 yen magazine, then scanned and also cleaned them. You fucking bitch about the fans having to PAY, please only the Japanese pay only because 1,500 yen is not a bad payment for a book.
Barely anybody are willing to pay for things like this to be shipped over sea's, and the Japanese are extremely reluctant in scanning anything because of copyright laws. I only do it because I am willing to scan and share everything FOR FREE, i don't ask Kitmitsu for any payment to fund what i have paid for the magazines. I fucking get whatever money i have in my bank account and pay for these damn magazines myself. Your not paying no. Because you are able to view anything for god damn free.

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

... I'm... not going to lie to you. What was the original question? Never mind. Sunshine and smiles for all-- Oh god, something's wrong with me...
Details about the CMT or something. It's on the third page...

But the SE discussion is actually interesting, it shouldn't die. I just felt bad when you guys started bitching at Nex for being one of your generic whiny fantards when he was only elaborating what he originally answered to me. :wtf:

Please, some people buy it. But like myself and others who are willing to part with their money for books and demos etc.. Along with the fucking import bill, we actually bother to share the god damn information.
Fuck i couldn't have scanned Re: and CLOUD: Message i couldn't of sat there and cleaned all the fucking pages just for the viewing pleasure of others who do not have to pay.
I couldn't have paid fucking 26 pounds for a 790 yen magazine, then scanned and also cleaned them. You fucking bitch about the fans having to PAY, please only the Japanese pay only because 1,500 yen is not a bad payment for a book.
Barely anybody are willing to pay for things like this to be shipped over sea's, and the Japanese are extremely reluctant in scanning anything because of copyright laws. I only do it because I am willing to scan and share everything FOR FREE, i don't ask Kitmitsu for any payment to fund what i have paid for the magazines. I fucking get whatever money i have in my bank account and pay for these damn magazines myself. Your not paying no. Because you are able to view anything for god damn free.
Look I think you're misunderstanding his post.

I don't think he's undermining all your, and other people's awesome efforts in providing for the cheap folks that the rest of us are because technically, we're all supposed to be buying the trailers if we wanted to see them. But like you said - we get it for free! Thanks, internet! Thanks, providers!

However this is entirely regardless.

His initial point was just stressing on the idea that SE makes their fans pay for their trailers, rather than just releasing their demos and trailers for download. Whenever they DO release trailers for the public, they're making them pay as opposed to other gaming industries who just dump it for free. As a fan who pays for this exclusive information, you're concerend. He's saying that rather than having you and others dish out cash for this, everyone, yourself included, should just have it for free anyway. Now whether the statement regarding SE being special cashcows is true is left for the discussion that's already going on to establish. I'll personally say that some other important points were brought up to question the statement.

Seriously guys, stop pissing on Nex like he's your next raging fanbrat that needs to be shot. I asked for details regarding the CMT and he gave them, although the credibility was another discussion. The discussion regarding Wada/SE/everwhut was great until people started bitching at Nex when he was only expanding on what he originally answered.

[Nex]

THANK YOU Buttcheekies, I'm really glad you understand what I'm saying. =)

I actually find it kind of funny that they keep saying I'm bitching when it's pretty friggin obvious they're the ones bitching at me. There are too many self-proclaimed assholes on this forum.

Square Enix didn't release the CLOUD DVD or the Re: DVD. They were published by Mediaworks and Enterbrain respectively. ONOZ. I have to pay for something that costs money to get published by unaffiliated companies! THAT'S WRONG!

Hype isn't that important anyway. Square Enix still have a massive fanbase who are going to buy the game anyway. God forbid I lose interest for the game while other games are coming out that I can actually get my hands on, right? I mean, I should blindly put my faith in one company, shouldn't I? That makes total sense.

I don't understand why you, personally, are bitching anyway. You don't pay for the magazines. You don't pay for the info. Don't you just come here like the rest of us and get it for free? Oh wait, I can actually read that underneath you now... soap...box... Okay, it all makes sense now.

I believe this (http://www.google.com.au/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENAU262&=&q=just+shut+the+fuck+up%2C+no+one+cares&btnG=Google+Search&meta=lr%3D) will help you understand MY point.

Your point is that you don't like me making a point? Grow up.

Do you seriously think SE received no money for the DVDs because they were published by seperate companies? :huh: Do you really think that "hype doesn't matter"? :huh: Shuyu, I've told you the reason I'm saying all this three or four times now, and you just said you still don't understand. Why don't you try paying attention to what I'm saying? :huh:

I'm sick of this discussion anyway.

@Cathryn- You missed my point, like Buttcheekies said. I have a lot of respect for the people that buy the magazines/DVDs and spread the info. I don't have a lot of respect for SE for doing it.