Prove it Wrong: Christianity

[Gilgamesh Remix]

I've been doing a lot of research into Christianity and I feel myself having to believe it because it's simply true.

Please prove me and it wrong so I can masturbate again.

[Kätharina]

GOD?
Now i know thats bullshit :wtf:

[Teggles]

...you can't prove it wrong. That doesn't mean I should follow it. It's up to you to prove it right. Be a Christian all you want, I couldn't care less. Just don't bug me about it, and for crying out loud, leave your religion out of lawmaking.

[Neal]

It's pretty easy. The bible contradicts itself over and over. There's also things like indisputable fossil evidence that things evolved which the bible oposes. They also prove that the earth is 4 billion years old, not 6,000 or whatever christians believe :wtf:

[JOLENE]

I've been doing a lot of research into Christianity and I feel myself having to believe it because it's simply true.

Please prove me and it wrong so I can masturbate again.
Christianity isn't a fact so it can't be proved wrong.
What things of Christianity are you relating of? Jesus walking in water or what?

[Little Miss Scarlett]

The people that wrote it were drunk all the time, among other things. It's true, people drank beer all the time because water wasn't safe. They were probably high, too.

Well, that's all I ever get from reading it.

Ooh, y'know what this reminds me of? In a Spanish test I had last week, one of the questions was whether or not Jesus's opinion on people towers was positive or negative :wtf:

[Teggles]

It's pretty easy. The bible contradicts itself over and over. There's also things like indisputable fossil evidence that things evolved which the bible oposes. They also prove that the earth is 4 billion years old, not 6,000 or whatever christians believe :wtf:

A lot of Christian denominations - most of them - consider a lot of the bible to be allegorical, metaphorical, and filled with errors due to hearsay and translation. I'm an atheist (i.e. I don't believe in any god(s)), but just because some of the bible is incorrect doesn't mean Christianity is "wrong".

[Little Miss Scarlett]

^ Well, it kinda does, actually. If it's supposedly the word of God, then it should be right about everything, shouldn't it?

[Teggles]

Simple refutation: it's not the word of God

[Kitmitsu]

Put your faith in a belief or listen to facts. It's as easy as that.

Please prove me and it wrong so I can masturbate again.

Become a protestant.

[Phoenix117]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/azloah/Christianity.jpg

Need I say more?

[Wacka14]

The Bible does not contradict itself. People always say this but never elaborate. however, it is misinterpreted often

[Little Miss Scarlett]

Simple refutation: it's not the word of God

Believing in God doesn't make you a Christian, dear, believing in the Bible does.

[Misschoco]

Apologetics.Check it up.

[Kitmitsu]

The Bible does not contradict itself. People always say this but never elaborate. however, it is misinterpreted often

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

Curse those misinterpreters.

[Flame_Tongue]

One thing that almost completely proves Christianity wrong is this statement, Occam's Razor, which states: "Nothing more should be presumed to exist beyond what is absolutely necessary." Why should we be lead to believe in Jesus Christ and God when there are no cold, hard facts to prove that they exist, or that they should even be presumed to exist? The agnostic belief that we cannot prove that there is god or no god is also trumped by this logical statement.

[Teggles]

Believing in God doesn't make you a Christian, dear, believing in the Bible does.

Oh, I'm sorry. Let's just condescend me and treat me like an idiot despite the fact that I've taken various university papers on philosophy and religion. Being a Christian means you believe Christ = son of God. That's it. It doesn't need to involve the bible. Denominations differ, "dear".

Christianity still propsers because it has been modified to the point where it can not be proved wrong. Do you seriously think the majority of Christians believe the bible is wholly true? It's the opposite. Really now, don't board the irrational-train just because there's no Christian to argue with you.

And Kitmitsu, from a Google search (hey, I'm an atheist, I don't have to defend a religion when I don't have one), there's an explanation for that contradiction. The two quotes are spread between the old and new testament. The new testament states that (basically) the laws from the old testament are revoked and that God is now lovey-dovey (or something).

[Flame_Tongue]

Came across this and thought we could use a bit of comic relief from this discussion. I believe it's something we can all agree on.http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=695&stc=1&d=1229834868

[Wacka14]

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

Curse those misinterpreters.


A child can take random verses from different chapters out of context. I could do the same thing to any book,movie,speech etc. Try reading the chapters those versus came from and you might learn ya sumthin^_^

[Esagan]

Oh, I'm sorry. Let's just condescend me and treat me like an idiot despite the fact that I've taken various university papers on philosophy and religion. Being a Christian means you believe Christ = son of God. That's it. It doesn't need to involve the bible. Denominations differ, "dear".

Christianity still propsers because it has been modified to the point where it can not be proved wrong. Do you seriously think the majority of Christians believe the bible is wholly true? It's the opposite. Really now, don't board the irrational-train just because there's no Christian to argue with you.

And Kitmitsu, from a Google search (hey, I'm an atheist, I don't have to defend a religion when I don't have one), there's an explanation for that contradiction. The two quotes are spread between the old and new testament. The new testament states that (basically) the laws from the old testament are revoked and that God is now lovey-dovey (or something).

First of all, just because you've gone to university doesn't mean you're clever so it's pretty much pointless arguing that one. Not saying you're stupid, just saying using that to prove intelligence doesn't work.

Secondly, I believe that if a religious person of any faith doesn't take the book written by THEIR GOD word for word, then they are fakes who can't be arsed to follow a set of rules set by something they apparently worship.

If a Christian for example, doesn't take the bible and follow it to the letter, the they should go straight to hell just like us Atheists. That's why pieces of the bible keep getting deleted or "modernised" as they like to call it.

So, anyone got any idea's on how Christians aren't made to follow every word and how a humans are apparently allowed to change the words of a book set by a GOD just to make it modern?

[Neal]

The two quotes are spread between the old and new testament. The new testament states that (basically) the laws from the old testament are revoked and that God is now lovey-dovey (or something).

So the two different versions say complete opposites? Wow, that makes it even more believable. That's a huge contradiction. The original saying something completely different to the "new" version means the whole thing is just broken, surely.

Secondly, I believe that if a religious person of any faith doesn't take the book written by THEIR GOD word for word, then they are fakes who can't be arsed to follow a set of rules set by something they apparently worship.

Exactly. You can't pick and choose what to believe or the whole thing is just pointless.

[Zezlar]

There is no way to prove it wrong, but also there is no way to prove it right either. This is why I believe in a "God" but I don't believe in anything that is wrote in all them books. I just can't simply grasp reading a book about some shit that a guy out in the middle of nowhere could have wrote for fun one day.

[Esagan]

There is no way to prove it wrong, but also there is no way to prove it right either. This is why I believe in a "God" but I don't believe in anything that is wrote in all them books. I just can't simply grasp reading a book about some shit that a guy out in the middle of nowhere could have wrote for fun one day.

So you believe in a higher intelligence not a God.

In my opinion, if you believe that there is a "God", yet you don't actually follow a religion, then your believing in a higher intelligence and or a force beyond our understanding.

[Misschoco]

There is no way to prove it wrong, but also there is no way to prove it right either. This is why I believe in a "God" but I don't believe in anything that is wrote in all them books. I just can't simply grasp reading a book about some shit that a guy out in the middle of nowhere could have wrote for fun one day.
It just seemed like you contridicted yourself a bit here.You state that you believe in god yet you also state that he is just 'some guy' who couldnt possible have written the bible or whatever and you call this 'shit'.Could you clarify that more.As in what you really do believe.

[Zezlar]

Sorry meant to say "Higher Intelligence."

[Luriana]

YouTube - Deus - O Juiz Imoral [1/3]

Sorry for the Portuguese subtitles :aldo:

But the audio is in English.

[Teggles]

Ah forget it, I don't even know why I'm posting in this topic. It looks like I'm arguing with everyone despite the fact that I agree with the views. I was just trying to clear up a few misconceptions, but obviously people still want to argue with that :P

atheism 4 lief, bai bai

[Esagan]

Ah forget it, I don't even know why I'm posting in this topic. It looks like I'm arguing with everyone despite the fact that I agree with the views. I was just trying to clear up a few misconceptions, but obviously people still want to argue with that :P

atheism 4 lief, bai bai

Running away again. Maybe one day, at least one person might actually be able to stand and argue and not break down in tears when thing's get even a little heated.

Don't get so sensitive.

And referring to your pre-edited post, you know, the one saying the Bible is "inspired by" is by no means a fact. In all reality, Christians themselves don't know whether it's the word of God or not and there are quite a few debates about it. with a simple search on the topic, it says :

“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away” (Mark 13:31)."

That by itself says that God's words, will not pass away and God's words are found in the Bible so that must mean, The Bible is the word of God.

Now, that surely means, you either follow the word of God, or you don't. If you only follow some of the rules, then surely you're disobeying the others thus disobeying the word of God which means you're gonna burn just like us Atheists.

[Teggles]

I'm not running away, I'm simply avoiding entering a pointless debate with people who don't understand the simplest concepts of Christianity.

Your post is completely illogical. If they believe the bible is prone to errors, and that's it not the word of God, you can't use the fucking bible to prove that it's not prone to errors. Wow.

[Esagan]

I'm not running away, I'm simply avoiding entering a pointless debate with people who don't understand the simplest concepts of Christianity.

Your post is completely illogical. If they believe the bible is prone to errors, and that's it not the word of God, you can't use the fucking bible to prove that it's not prone to errors. Wow.

1) Who decides what the errors are? XD
2) They obviously can't be religious themselves as changing the words of a God is missing the point entirely.
3) If they believe IT IS the word of God, then how are they allowed to change it?
4) And I do understand the simplest concept, which is, "believe without proof". ^^

[Purple]

It can't be proven wrong nor could it be proven right. In the end, people would believe what they want to believe. Some people take the story of Adam and Eve and the creation as fact, despite the evidence that we evolved from primates. Some think it's a myth, a metaphor etc.

Personally, I believe that there is a God, but I don't believe everything that's written in the bible.

So, this whole thread would just go around in circles.

[Esagan]

It can't be proven wrong nor could it be proven right. In the end, people would believe what they want to believe. Some people take the story of Adam and Eve and the creation as fact, despite the evidence that we evolved from primates. Some think it's a myth, a metaphor etc.

Personally, I believe that there is a God, but I don't believe everything that's written in the bible.

So, this whole thread would just go around in circles.

Do you classify yourself as dedicated to a single religion or do you just believe that there is a God in existence?

If you consider yourself Christian, then surely it would be like ignoring words directly from God if you didn't follow them 100%. That's where I've always been stumped by the Bible. If it is a set of rules from the highest power in existence, then surely as a believer you should follow them word for word or else it becomes a selective religion.

For example, the general law in countries is picked and chosen. Someone breaks even a single substantial law, they get punished by jail.

Wouldn't it count the same as only listening to parts of the bible?

[Purple]

Do you classify yourself as dedicated to a single religion or do you just believe that there is a God in existence?

If you consider yourself Christian, then surely it would be like ignoring words directly from God if you didn't follow them 100%. That's where I've always been stumped by the Bible. If it is a set of rules from the highest power in existence, then surely as a believer you should follow them word for word or else it becomes a selective religion.

For example, the general law in countries is picked and chosen. Someone breaks even a single substantial law, they get punished by jail.

Wouldn't it count the same as only listening to parts of the bible?

It's hard to say. I'm a Catholic, but I'm not religious, and I don't believe it's necessary to go to church every Sunday. I don't believe that everything in the Bible is the word of God, that I'd be punished if I don't follow them.

So in a sense, I'm a Catholic because I was baptized as one but I don't believe everything the priests and nuns stuff down my throat and I do believe there's a God.

[Esagan]

It's hard to say. I'm a Catholic, but I'm not religious, and I don't believe it's necessary to go to church every Sunday. I don't believe that everything in the Bible is the word of God, that I'd be punished if I don't follow them.

So in a sense, I'm a Catholic because I was baptized as one but I don't believe everything the priests and nuns stuff down my throat and I do believe there's a God.

Fair enough. I just personally, think that's losing the point you know?

I've always seen religion as something to either dedicate yourself completely or not bother with at all.

That's why I generally see people who don't take the Bible word for word as slightly Agnostic rather than completely religious as they still have doubt in their mind.

[Purple]

Fair enough. I just personally, think that's losing the point you know?

I've always seen religion as something to either dedicate yourself completely or not bother with at all.

That's why I generally see people who don't take the Bible word for word as slightly Agnostic rather than completely religious as they still have doubt in their mind.

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from.

Too much religion is a bad thing. That's what my dad always says.

[Teggles]

Esagan, you can call this what you want, but I simply don't want to continue "arguing". It's not because the argument got heated - I've argued about things for hours, and could argue this till the sun goes down - but because when I argue, I start acting like a smartass and an asshole. That's not how I am, but it comes out in me, so I don't want to argue. But arguing is like crack, especially when people provoke me, so I did get carried away. lol.

Anyway, as I said, you can call this want you want. "Running away", "chickening out", I don't mind. The truth is simply that I don't want to continue being an asshole, nor arguing something people far smarter than us have already argued for thousands of years.

Edit: the last picture in your sig got some weird comments from my dad hahahaha

[Misschoco]

Esagan, you can call this what you want, but I simply don't want to continue "arguing". It's not because the argument got heated - I've argued about things for hours, and could argue this till the sun goes down - but because when I argue, I start acting like a smartass and an asshole. That's not how I am, but it comes out in me, so I don't want to argue. But arguing is like crack, especially when people provoke me, so I did get carried away. lol.

You have a point.Most of us just have a circular believe system where any evidence that doesnt point to X is ignored and we'd just keep going in circles like someone mentioned if we continued arguing.Although our views may be slightly faltered we're still to stubborn to fully accept an opposite view and take it on board weighing etc.If we argued for years 'I doubt' That it'd make any complete difference unless someone was willing to concur for peaces sake.

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About following god and not completely following a religion>As in believing in god and not following the bible/teachings 100%.Like esagan said...arent you being selective?Maybe your right in saying that you dont fully trust the interpretations.But if you believe in god and follow no religion for example wouldnt it be the same as not believing in the true creator who reveals himself in the pages of the Bible to humanity.

If you dont believe in the bible then you cant literally say you 'Believe in God' but you believe in the 'Concept' of god....So i'd rather you phrased it as 'A higher intellegence' Then your agnostic seing as you dont believe in a Dogma.

[Anglachel]

If you only look at things like the ten commandments and other moral positions the christian church takes then you will find that they are indeed mostly correct. Why? Because they should be adopted by everyone no matter who they are or where they are from even without religion. Most people don't need Christianity to tell them that stealing is wrong, most of us already now that. I'm sure christianity had it's values in it's own time, but I believe it's usefulness in the modern day West has about come to an end.

[chaosblade77]

First of all, the Bible was written and compiled by man. Christians believe it was simply "inspired" by God. This is the first contradiction I'll bring up, since some denominations believe the Bible is the absolute truth. The Bible itself states man is imperfect, therefore if they wrote and selected the writings that are in the Bible, it too is imperfect.

Second would be predestination. God all knowing, but one of the foundations of Christianity is that a person can choose whether or not they want to reside with God in Heaven or not. So if God already knows before a person even exists that they are going to end up in Heaven or Hell, where is the choice?

Third would be sin itself. If sin cannot abide in the presence of God as the Bible says, doesn't that mean sin can't exist in the first place? The original sin was not by man, it was by Lucifer, who was cast into Hell and eventually resulted in the "original sin" of man. Sin, or the will to do something against God, had to exist before Satan, meaning God had to create it. If the ability or option to do something against God's will did not exist, the angel Lucifer would not have been able to try to gain the glory of God in the first place.

Those are some of the main contradictions I have, but as a whole the Bible and science don't really overlap much. When one side tries to prove the other wrong, it usually includes a fallacy of some sort, for example trying to use what isn't written as proof that creation as described in the Bible is incorrect. Also, translation isn't considered, since the entire Bible has been translated at least once, the original writings are what you have to go by - ie. Genesis is written in a very poetic manner that is full of metaphors and similes that cannot be taken literally (refer back to my first point as well). "Days" of creation are a good example.

[Nagase]

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/JesusBlewMeOnce/1229917204931.jpg

[Saki Liu]

To tell you the truth, I think religion was something people made up back in the day to keep themsleves busy. Think about it what else could you have done in those days? Make up games with rocks?... wait, I think they did!!!

[Luriana]

To tell you the truth, I think religion was something people made up back in the day to keep themsleves busy. Think about it what else could you have done in those days? Make up games with rocks?... wait, I think they did!!!

Well, it's a point anyway. GOD FOR FUNZ LAWL.

They must've been pretty bored to have a need to create religion as leisure. asfsdfa.

[Saki Liu]

Well, it's a point anyway. GOD FOR FUNZ LAWL.

They must've been pretty bored to have a need to create religion as leisure. asfsdfa.

Lol, what? it was just a thought!! you never know!!!

[Luriana]

Lol, what? it was just a thought!! you never know!!!

Who knows what happened in the jolly good ol' Jesus Christ/Mohammad/Buddha/Zeus/Kratos/Smurf times. If they actually existed. Not that I give a shite about it, anyway. :aldo:

[Neal]

THEY'RE FIRING..........THEY'RE FIRING.

I THINK THE TRUTH BEHIND A GOD THAT CREATED EVERYTHING IN EXISTANCE REQUIRES A BIT MORE THOUGHT THAN "MAYBE THEY GOT BORED" LLLLLLLLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[Nagase]

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/JesusBlewMeOnce/1225677296946-1.jpg

[Luriana]

THEY'RE FIRING..........THEY'RE FIRING.

I THINK THE TRUTH BEHIND A GOD THAT CREATED EVERYTHING IN EXISTANCE REQUIRES A BIT MORE THOUGHT THAN "MAYBE THEY GOT BORED" LLLLLLLLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Maybe, Neal. But you see, how can we imperfect human beings discuss about a god that created everything? A being whose powers exceed our so-called limited conscience? Even if a damn God existed, it wouldn't be possible to discuss about it, since its apparent metaphysical nature doesn't allows us to.

[3FinalGamer3]

I'm supposed to be a Christian but I gotta say, that for a ''perfect'' example for people, God is AWFULLY mean sometimes!(at least it seems). Besides if there is a God, Christianity and other religions are wrong, they say you don't go to heaven if you don't believe in heaven and you have to do this or that but if God's in everyone and he/she loves everyone and is only up to good, then why doesn't he let them go to heaven even if they don't believe, if you ask me contradictions people! They should make up a believe-able religion..

[Nagase]

That's a Valkyrie. The righteous dead. Valkyries fly over the battlefield. They reward the people who die in violence.

http://www.screamstress.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/fear-itself-nbc-thumb.jpg

[Mogi]

As much as I despise religion it is a necessity to humankind. Without religion (the believe in a greater being, making humans seem less worthy) who would set the boundaries of right and wrong? how would the government of any country show their character to their people? how would people live together?

Nothing in life is perfect and for every "good" there is "evil" (quotations because what we consider good or evil may not be so). So I am just saying that when a person says religion is stupid so are they.

Mostly everyone in this form seams to be intelligent enough to question life, that is why we are lucky(and few in the world) to be so open-minded and see life for what it is.

[Luriana]

As much as I despise religion it is a necessity to humankind. Without religion (the believe in a greater being, making humans seem less worthy) who would set the boundaries of right and wrong? how would the government of any country show their character to their people? how would people live together?

Nothing in life is perfect and for every "good" there is "evil" (quotations because what we consider good or evil may not be so). So I am just saying that when a person says religion is stupid so are they.

Mostly everyone in this form seams to be intelligent enough to question life, that is why we are lucky(and few in the world) to be so open-minded and see life for what it is.

First of all, humankind needs no religion to set boundaries of right and wrong. Like Richard Dawkins once said, every human has their own sense of morality, thus making religion irrelevant.

Good and evil are concepts that change depending on one's point of view. But when you say that when a person says "religion is stupid" it makes that person stupid as well, sorry, you're being stupid here. Religion has brought many suffering to development of science, human relationship, freedom of speech etc. for many years, and even nowadays it is dampering some little thingies here and there. But I won't go on with this, as it will bring endless discussions. I'm an atheist, but I don't want to go on an anti-religious crusade throughout Earth, and that's how the majority of atheists think. If you want to live with your religion, that's your loss, but don't bring harm to anyone or anything because of it. But seeing as this is virtually impossible, due to the existance of fanatics/extremists, we do what we can to alert people of the nonsenseness of religion. But again, only alert. We won't bugger religious people with our ideas as they keep buggering us with theirs.

[Azure Presul]

Here's my opinion, All religions are wrong. Deal with it.

I believe in a God. Keyword: a. I believe in whatever God/s or Goddess/s made the Universe. It can't have been formed by a reaction, unless God let one rip after eating some Chilli.

[sobchack]

no way to disprove it, just like there is no way to disprove it if i tell you the universe exists inside a huge turtle's stomach

[sobchack]

also mogi religion has been used to fuck shit up just as much as it's been used to preserve peace and order

[Nagase]

no way to disprove it, just like there is no way to disprove it if i tell you the universe exists inside a huge turtle's stomach

You don't need to disprove something faith based because believing in it is "faith". You need to prove it exists.

My point is, I could tell you this delightfully chilled glass of Strongbow is God, but then nobody in any religion would believe me unless i had.....:O....proof.

http://mirelle.freeblog.hu/files/Család/strongbow.jpg

:rolleyes:

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/JesusBlewMeOnce/1225683316676.jpg

[sobchack]

that's what i said genius

[Neal]

It can't have been formed by a reaction, unless God let one rip after eating some Chilli.

Humans werent formed by "a reaction" :wtf:

[Nagase]

that's what i said genius

I'm saying you shouldn't have to try and disprove something not just you can't disprove it....genius :rolleyes:

[vakrotyr]

You are gay. *CLOSED*

[●S.K.Y●]

Seems only 2 things you can start the wars with friends are Politics and Religions.

In general, Politics is more fit to start the wars with , but Religions is not more essential to make the conflict. And you know why the Religions is the main complement to start the wars with ??? , actually it's because they use the Religions as the tools in order to gain more powers , and naturally humans need something to hold or rely on , and the thing must be 'Abstraction'. Therefore someone knows how to use the people's faith as the tools to climb up for power.

In addition , I don't agree with Nagase at the picture of conventional/religious logics. There are some religions that are 'Real ones' and there are some religions that are 'Fake ones'. There are something more than the basic science, that humans still can't search for. The universe is very big, but it has the limit of its size for sure , there's something more complex than atom and there's something too complex for scientists or ordinary people to understand. It's something that we can't see. Even nowadays the science already reaches high-tech/further modernization. But it does not mean humans discover everything. You know about material object/natural form , which is practical way , but there're something more than this in the form of invisible phenomenon or called abstraction which you cannot touch or see.

Jesus has true existence , and the dharmic truths in Christianity is true , but you can't find the proof because it's abstraction. It's the complexity, and the thing you can prove is the philosophy that everyone should love each other with mercy , if there'no mercy in this world , so now we will face the worst epic fail. There're 2 forces , one is bright , one is dark , same as people that there are somes who are Angel and somes who are Satan , it depends on their action. If you watch Constantine, you can see the "Half" right? which it means every human have both forces (goodness and badness) , it's like the coin that has 2 faces. The people who act pure goodness , so they will go to heaven or receive the good thing as reflection , but you can't see the heaven with your eyes because there're many complex things that humans still cannot discover. It has the'depth' , and the dimensions , that science in nowadays cannot prove it. If you see in practical ways , so you always argue that it's no proof , no evidence. You don't need to prove that God has real existence or not,or whatever about the history of Jesus. But it has brought the 'foundation' to people to pursue and this has been proved that it's real that love&mercy is the thing humans need to have to avoid the destruction in the world. But there's religion wars because they can't understand what is the real dharmic truth, what is the real foundation that God gave to people , but they use religion as the keys for more power. God or Jesus do not involve with this thing , but the fault is humans who don't understand the real theory and still greedy for power.

And in Da Vinci Code , there's the argument between two sides , one said Jesus does not have wife and child , one said Jesus has wife and child. I mean like why we have to debate with this silly thing like this , no matter what Jesus has or has not ........it's not the substance matter. Same as
French Wars of Religion , they splited up with Catholic and Protestant , who not belong to whom had to be killed , whatever punishment...... it's about human's matter , God doesn't involve. And there's religion wars because they use religion as the tools.

If you surprise or something like that you said "God! it's great" , if ya wanna condemn someone so ya said "God , ya're fucking..." ......... it seems God is the silent sulking Martyr.

God not involve with this kind of thing at all , he brings the the foundation of dharmic truth and the philosophy to humans. But it depends on humans to be gonna use it in proper way or not.

I agree with some facts that being the bible addictor or that kind of thing does not mean you're good , even you know all histories , all angels , history of Lucifer , all pages of bible or about Jesus married or not..... but if you not pursue by the dharmic truths which the major key is "Love and Compassion" so you are not defines as goodness. God does not want you to be his slave , but he wants you to follow the true theory and perform it in right way. Therefore , it means Christianity is right and true , but some religions are not true , in this case i would not like to say it.


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[sobchack]

wow that was a lot of nonsense. i mean that looked like it had been translated from italian with babelfish or something

[●S.K.Y●]

wow that was a lot of nonsense. i mean that looked like it had been translated from italian with babelfish or something

voulez vous coucher avec moi , ce soir :wub:

And i think you post in wrong topic , if you have nothing to say , better to STFU , sorry for that but i can't stand for this kind of thing anymore , it's in serious discussion. Please put yourself in tension.

Plus , it's not from italian translated with babelfish. I wrote it , sorry for that. But if you don't feel satisfied for that , just ignore it , it's gonna waste time for both of us.

[Xiyng]

Who could tell if God exists or not? I believe it's the simplest thing to believe in the truth, whatever it might be. That said, I don't know what the truth is. It's very hard to get proof either for or against the existence of God. Thus I'd rather not take either of the two traditional sides here. Besides, they can both be too fanatical about their cause.

This thread is actually pretty clever; it pretends to be about Christianity but it's actually about the existence of God. Well, it'd be pretty hard to do it any other way.

[Nagase]

wow that was a lot of nonsense. i mean that looked like it had been translated from italian with babelfish or something

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[●S.K.Y●]

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[3FinalGamer3]

Seems only 2 things you can start the wars with friends are Politics and Religions.

In general, Politics is more fit to start the wars with , but Religions is not more essential to make the conflict. And you know why the Religions is the main complement to start the wars with ??? , actually it's because they use the Religions as the tools in order to gain more powers , and naturally humans need something to hold or rely on , and the thing must be 'Abstraction'. Therefore someone knows how to use the people's faith as the tools to climb up for power.

In addition , I don't agree with Nagase at the picture of conventional/religious logics. There are some religions that are 'Real ones' and there are some religions that are 'Fake ones'. There are something more than the basic science, that humans still can't search for. The universe is very big, but it has the limit of its size for sure , there's something more complex than atom and there's something too complex for scientists or ordinary people to understand. It's something that we can't see. Even nowadays the science already reaches high-tech/further modernization. But it does not mean humans discover everything. You know about material object/natural form , which is practical way , but there're something more than this in the form of invisible phenomenon or called abstraction which you cannot touch or see.

Jesus has true existence , and the dharmic truths in Christianity is true , but you can't find the proof because it's abstraction. It's the complexity, and the thing you can prove is the philosophy that everyone should love each other with mercy , if there'no mercy in this world , so now we will face the worst epic fail. There're 2 forces , one is bright , one is dark , same as people that there are somes who are Angel and somes who are Satan , it depends on their action. If you watch Constantine, you can see the "Half" right? which it means every human have both forces (goodness and badness) , it's like the coin that has 2 faces. The people who act pure goodness , so they will go to heaven or receive the good thing as reflection , but you can't see the heaven with your eyes because there're many complex things that humans still cannot discover. It has the'depth' , and the dimensions , that science in nowadays cannot prove it. If you see in practical ways , so you always argue that it's no proof , no evidence. You don't need to prove that God has real existence or not,or whatever about the history of Jesus. But it has brought the 'foundation' to people to pursue and this has been proved that it's real that love&mercy is the thing humans need to have to avoid the destruction in the world. But there's religion wars because they can't understand what is the real dharmic truth, what is the real foundation that God gave to people , but they use religion as the keys for more power. God or Jesus do not involve with this thing , but the fault is humans who don't understand the real theory and still greedy for power.

And in Da Vinci Code , there's the argument between two sides , one said Jesus does not have wife and child , one said Jesus has wife and child. I mean like why we have to debate with this silly thing like this , no matter what Jesus has or has not ........it's not the substance matter. Same as
French Wars of Religion , they splited up with Catholic and Protestant , who not belong to whom had to be killed , whatever punishment...... it's about human's matter , God doesn't involve. And there's religion wars because they use religion as the tools.

If you surprise or something like that you said "God! it's great" , if ya wanna condemn someone so ya said "God , ya're fucking..." ......... it seems God is the silent sulking Martyr.

God not involve with this kind of thing at all , he brings the the foundation of dharmic truth and the philosophy to humans. But it depends on humans to be gonna use it in proper way or not.

I agree with some facts that being the bible addictor or that kind of thing does not mean you're good , even you know all histories , all angels , history of Lucifer , all pages of bible or about Jesus married or not..... but if you not pursue by the dharmic truths which the major key is "Love and Compassion" so you are not defines as goodness. God does not want you to be his slave , but he wants you to follow the true theory and perform it in right way. Therefore , it means Christianity is right and true , but some religions are not true , in this case i would not like to say it.


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It could be just me but I feel a slight disinterest for reading this :wtf:

[Ventus]

Ok, this response is based on the general view point of religion, not specifically Christianity. I do believe in a God, a 'Higher Intelligence' as you call it and yes in Heaven. However I find it hard to trust any religion for that matter. I'm a Catholic, or at least born into a Catholic family. If I were to ask my priest what is the 'truth' to God, I would get a response that would keep me a 'dedicated' Catholic (which I'm not). If I sought an answer from another religion I would get a response that would try to convert my belief. Since they dont have another understanding beyond their own religion.

I dont believe in the Bible either, centuries ago the Bible was distorted. Divided and branched of into other religions with their own set of beliefs and standards. How can I know which religion holds the 'true' path to believing and praying to God. Because the Bible was obviously 'misinterpreted' and so, how can I know that what I'm doing is what God wants. The Bible was altered to suit the needs of different people, depending on what community they live in. I know that some religions have different practices for example some Buddhism practices may differ from those who live in the US than of those who live in a foreign country. Why is that? Who knows.

Religion is such a sensitive topic, and everything about it is so complex. Sometimes, it makes me wonder if knowing the 'truth' is forbidden. Perhaps what we were forced to believed in was a lie to maintain balance and order. If we discovered the 'truth', what if it causes chaos, confusion and disbelief? So many questions, so many changes, so many variations since then. How can I know what is the true path to believing in God. If I learned anything its that most if not all religions believe in a single deity. They just worship it differently than others.

Sometimes I even wonder, what if this God was never really a God. But since it was back then, we just mistakened it for a God. Those people of old probably tweaked the stories. I just dont know anymore. My faith wavers in disarray.

[AT23]

I gotta say, I've been staying away from this thread for a reason but I just had to say something.

"voulez vous coucher avec moi , ce soir"

That's French, not Italian.

After reading a lot of mind-wrenching, disillusioned, convolluted responses to this thread, I've come to the conclusion that except for a handful of people who posted, you all... don't make any sense. Zero, zilch, nada, nothing.

There is no god. And I got a free entertaining read compared to stupid TV shows from this, watching a lot of people taking this discussion seriously when the OP really was screwing around. Honestly, someone wanting to prove christianity wrong so he can masturbate is serious discussion? lol.

En core, please keep this going. Fun read. Really.

[Neal]

I gotta say, I've been staying away from this thread for a reason but I just had to say something.

"voulez vous coucher avec moi , ce soir"

That's French, not Italian.

After reading a lot of mind-wrenching, disillusioned, convolluted responses to this thread, I've come to the conclusion that except for a handful of people who posted, you all... don't make any sense. Zero, zilch, nada, nothing.

There is no god. And I got a free entertaining read compared to stupid TV shows from this, watching a lot of people taking this discussion seriously when the OP really was screwing around. Honestly, someone wanting to prove christianity wrong so he can masturbate is serious discussion? lol.

En core, please keep this going. Fun read. Really.
Do you know what she did, your cunting daughter?

[Luriana]

Do you know what she did, your cunting daughter?

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There's no god, for god's sake. :aldo:

[●S.K.Y●]

I gotta say, I've been staying away from this thread for a reason but I just had to say something.

"voulez vous coucher avec moi , ce soir"

That's French, not Italian.

After reading a lot of mind-wrenching, disillusioned, convolluted responses to this thread, I've come to the conclusion that except for a handful of people who posted, you all... don't make any sense. Zero, zilch, nada, nothing.

There is no god. And I got a free entertaining read compared to stupid TV shows from this, watching a lot of people taking this discussion seriously when the OP really was screwing around. Honestly, someone wanting to prove christianity wrong so he can masturbate is serious discussion? lol.

En core, please keep this going. Fun read. Really.


Yes , it's French , i can speak French a bit.

But i agree with you that there's no need to prove Christianity that it's right or wrong , because it's originally right.

Existence of God , ummmmm i think it depends on how individual thinks .

But for me God has true existence.

Even you look that people who faith in God are crazy and retards , but at least they can have something to rely which can make they feel happy , it's ok.

[Nagase]

Even you look that people who faith in God are crazy and retards , but at least they can have something to rely which can make they feel happy , it's ok

Like alcoholics rely on alcohol, and junkies rely on drugs?:rolleyes:

[●S.K.Y●]

Like alcoholics rely on alcohol, and junkies rely on drugs?:rolleyes:

Yes , i'm strong with 10 Swings and 10 Black Labels.

[AT23]

I'd expect that coming from someone like you who is gay, Fenristh. Sorry to bust your bubble but I don't have a daughter, yet. What you're basically saying is though is that all women are cunts, n'est ce pas? Gay, Lesbian, or Straight, most girls like sex just as men do anyways. In case you replied out of insecurity, you were one of the few that I actually respected in the fact that you were able to deliver a clear and logical argument on why Christianity is wrong. Maybe I should list names next time so people don't lash out at the wrong people in a brash way? *shrug* :rolleyes:

[Neal]

AHAHAHAHA. OH SHIT.

Epic - fucking - fail.

[AT23]

The only people who are failing here are the people who are contradicting themselves. There's a whole ton of epic fails around the forums that it's quite amusing. What else is new?

To be fair, I suppose God exists and is true to some people, but not for me.

[Cassette Assassin]

PROVED WRONG. (http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Genesis_1):awesome:

[Ventus]

What arrogance. I cannot stand people like that. Well, just believe in what you want to believe in. Simple as that. I personally believe in God, but just not in the ways others do it.

[Cassette Assassin]

^ It's a joke. Lighten up a little, will you? (Or do I just suck at jokes?)

[Ventus]

Lol it wasnt towards do you so dont worry about it.

[Cloud_Strife_ff7]

well, everything in the universe is so complex to understand. Like for example making final fantasy versus 13, everything is created for a reason. We have hands to be able to pick up and grab objects, if it was designed for this reason then it must have a designer IE. god :|

[●S.K.Y●]

well, everything in the universe is so complex to understand. Like for example making final fantasy versus 13, everything is created for a reason. We have hands to be able to pick up and grab objects, if it was designed for this reason then it must have a designer IE. god :|

Absolutely Agree :thumbsup:

Everything happens for a reason.

Even you can say we can choose , but actually , 'Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without.'

"We are all victims of causality"

[Neal]

The only people who are failing here are the people who are contradicting themselves. There's a whole ton of epic fails around the forums that it's quite amusing. What else is new?

To be fair, I suppose God exists and is true to some people, but not for me.
I was quoting the Exorcist you dumb shit. :lol:

[NEALBLEWMEONCE]

I think organized religion can have a very detrimental effect on people's minds (especially children).

It can lead to magical/superstitous/fanatical thinking, which can seriously screw up people's ability to deal with reality.

I think it's closely related to to tribal warfare, racism, sexism, nepotism, and all the other evolutionary baggage we carry from a time when we didn't need to rely on cerebral thinking as much.

I rest my "faith" in the belief that one day mankind will progress to a point at which this type of thinking will be considered primative.

That being said: as religions go, I think you could do far worse than Christianity.

Christian values can have a very positive influence on communities and individual's lives; which is probably more than can be said for the rampant nihilism and gloominess that many hardline atheists/agnostics often fall victim to.

Dogmatism goes both ways.

[●S.K.Y●]

I'd expect that coming from someone like you who is gay, Fenristh. Sorry to bust your bubble but I don't have a daughter, yet. What you're basically saying is though is that all women are cunts, n'est ce pas? Gay, Lesbian, or Straight, most girls like sex just as men do anyways. In case you replied out of insecurity, you were one of the few that I actually respected in the fact that you were able to deliver a clear and logical argument on why Christianity is wrong. Maybe I should list names next time so people don't lash out at the wrong people in a brash way? *shrug* :rolleyes:

He's the coolest , smartest and especially kindest administrator in here. I mean he's more relaxing compared to other admins/mods. Even he's gay or not , so you should not care in this point. I've done something wrong to him before because of my stupidity , but he don't mind at all. I never see he flames other people. I swear that I do not flatter , i tell the truth , and i should admire him earlier than this , this is my second fault.

[Nagase]

I think organized religion can have a very detrimental effect on people's minds (especially children).

It can lead to magical/superstitous/fanatical thinking, which can seriously screw up people's ability to deal with reality.

I think it's closely related to to tribal warfare, racism, sexism, nepotism, and all the other evolutionary baggage we carry from a time when we didn't need to rely on cerebral thinking as much.

I rest my "faith" in the belief that one day mankind will progress to a point at which this type of thinking will be considered primative.

That being said: as religions go, I think you could do far worse than Christianity.

Christian values can have a very positive influence on communities and individual's lives; which is probably more than can be said for the rampant nihilism and gloominess that many hardline atheists/agnostics often fall victim to.

Dogmatism goes both ways.


I think Atheists myself rely more on reality and better cope with tough situations throughout their life making them stronger people over all.

Religious people I find are people that can't cope very well about either hardships and or the thought of death so they turn to a magical being.

I can't say ANY atheists I know have any flaws that a Christian person doesn't. Most Christians I know do what most atheists do, they just push their religion and are too stuck in their ways.

Question an Atheist about God and you'll get atleast a few valid points.

Question a Christian, get scripture.

Yes Christianity isn't a violent religion like it used to be, but that's only because people somehow found it acceptable to "modernise the bible". So yeah, other religions may not be as people friendly but at least they had the guts to keep it original.

[Luriana]

At least Atheists don't blame everything that happen on the so-called "divine will". Like Luc said, they can cope better with hardships and shiz, thus making them stronger people.

Christians, on the other hands, think their fate is already sealed, bind anything to their god, can't see some stuff in a non-religious view...

Some weeks ago here in Brazil, the whole ceiling of a big church fell down and killed 9 believers. The majority of the people who used to go to that church said that it was "God's will".
Some even had the guts to say that "I was blessed. I was looking for some things in my car when the ceiling came down, the Lord protected me", "Thank God only 9 people died" or even "Nah, these people died for a cause, God wanted it!"

I won't go on anymore, it hurts my fingers writing about this.

[●S.K.Y●]

Well , im quite speechless now after seeing all of your pretty smart opinions.

[Sabin]

I'm a Christian and I think I'm very capable of dealing with hardships. Oh, wait I have dealt with hardships. That has nothing to do with religion, it's more a persons mentality/personality than anything else.

But I do agree that there are some people that just use the words "That's how God wants it to be." I do not agree with them. As a Christian I belive God gave us a free will. We're not supposed to be apathic and do nothing or accept everything.

Like the thing about the church. I can't see how they think it is the will of God, that was just very, very bad luck.

Every Christian does not act the same way.

Like when you see someone die in a car accident, they say it was the will of God, and I'll say: "No, he was driving 120km/h when the sign clearly says 50km/h. It has nothing to do with the will of God, he put his own life at stake.

Only because a person is religious doesn't mean you can't have an argument with him/her on different subjects. (Religious people and those that trust in no divine power will never agree on one subject - There is/there isn't a God.)

Most of my friends do not have faith in any higher power, we still get along well.

60% are Atheists
30% are Christians
10% are Muslims

We simply are friends because we have much in common and we have known eachother for a long time. I don't choose friends based on religion, I choose them on how they act and other things.
We barely talk religion, but we all know the faith of eachother.

I thought atheists were idiots when I was younger, but I have grown from that view - it was me who were the idiot. My best friend is an atheist and his opinions is worth a lot to me, even if I do not agree every single time.

I have learned that faith is something I keep to myself. I am not ashamed of it in anyway, but I just don't talk about it much. As long as I know for myself I trust in God, I don't need to tell every person I meet: "Trust in God or you'll die!!!". If someone asks me, I would be glad to tell them. but otherwise I don't talk about it.

Sometimes there will come someone Christian with a flyer or whatever. Even as a Christian I find that disturbing. I can't even imagine how an atheist would feel about it.

[Neal]

We simply are friends because we have much in common and we have known eachother for a long time. I don't choose friends based on religion, I choose them on how they act and other things.

I think that's the same as everyone except pushover idiots and chavs.

Sometimes there will come someone Christian with a flyer or whatever. Even as a Christian I find that disturbing. I can't even imagine how an atheist would feel about it.

Fucked off. :wtf: They can believe what they want to believe, I just really hate it when they shove it in your face like that. In Poole we get these ones that tell us we're sinners but its alright because we can be saved from hell by going to the church. That's just insulting you, not ecouraging you that its the right way to go. :lol:

If theyre going to do that they could at least promote the nice things their community do or whatever, rather than trying to trick/guilt/scare you into joining their church.

[Nagase]

I'm a Christian and I think I'm very capable of dealing with hardships. Oh, wait I have dealt with hardships. That has nothing to do with religion, it's more a persons mentality/personality than anything else.

But I do agree that there are some people that just use the words "That's how God wants it to be." I do not agree with them. As a Christian I belive God gave us a free will. We're not supposed to be apathic and do nothing or accept everything.

Like the thing about the church. I can't see how they think it is the will of God, that was just very, very bad luck.

Every Christian does not act the same way.

Like when you see someone die in a car accident, they say it was the will of God, and I'll say: "No, he was driving 120km/h when the sign clearly says 50km/h. It has nothing to do with the will of God, he put his own life at stake.

Only because a person is religious doesn't mean you can't have an argument with him/her on different subjects. (Religious people and those that trust in no divine power will never agree on one subject - There is/there isn't a God.)

Most of my friends do not have faith in any higher power, we still get along well.

60% are Atheists
30% are Christians
10% are Muslims

We simply are friends because we have much in common and we have known eachother for a long time. I don't choose friends based on religion, I choose them on how they act and other things.
We barely talk religion, but we all know the faith of eachother.

I thought atheists were idiots when I was younger, but I have grown from that view - it was me who were the idiot. My best friend is an atheist and his opinions is worth a lot to me, even if I do not agree every single time.

I have learned that faith is something I keep to myself. I am not ashamed of it in anyway, but I just don't talk about it much. As long as I know for myself I trust in God, I don't need to tell every person I meet: "Trust in God or you'll die!!!". If someone asks me, I would be glad to tell them. but otherwise I don't talk about it.

Sometimes there will come someone Christian with a flyer or whatever. Even as a Christian I find that disturbing. I can't even imagine how an atheist would feel about it.

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[Neal]

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[Sabin]

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[Dark Chaos]

If you can't believe on anything why don't you try believing in the future and yourselves for a change.

[Luriana]

Dark Chaos, smaller signature please. For the sake of them dial-ups.

:aldo:

[Dark Chaos]

I would like to do that but honestly I don't even know how I got it in the first place,I just pressed a bunch of random buttons and that came out...............I know its lame but is the truth.

[Nagase]

If you can't believe on anything why don't you try believing in the future and yourselves for a change.


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[dilldoe]

Simply said, you cannot ask for Christianity, or any Faith, or any Belief, or any THOUGHT that occurs within any individual's mind, to be proven wrong, or right, by another.

In the words of one Martin Luther, philosopher,

"...every man is responsible for his own faith, and he must see it for himself that he believes rightly. As little as another can go to hell or heaven for me, so little can he believe or disbelieve for me; and as little as he can open or shut heaven or hell for me, so little can he drive me to faith or unbelief..."

And expanding on this, to talk of the topic, of domination, and submission, and of the Iron Grips of the powers that be, I will say, that there is no manner of control, that can enslave one's mind. There is always the capacity for free thought, and free judgement, and as such, for free action. And for the freedom to assign yourself to Damnation, or to Paradise. Not neccessarily in the literal, Heaven and Hell. But most certainly, in the "Heaven" and "Hell" that you create for yourself on this Earth.

[Luriana]

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[Nagase]

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[Neal]

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[Luriana]

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