Western journalists hate SQEX. It's pretty much confirmed.

[GalvanizA]

I've finished The Last Remnant now. I swear to God the technical issues get even worse on the 2nd disc but, as I've said before, they don't make the game unplayable. IMO, I'd score the game 8.2/10.

The problem is that tech whores are taking over the world. Also westerners are beginning to feel superior to Japanese developers. It's all Wada's fault for saying, "The Japanese industry is weak and the western one is the shit. We now have to make our games adapt to what westerners like." That was the biggest bullshit I've heard from him and he says a lot of BS.

That aside, western journalists are fucking picking on SQEX because of the way they design their games. I remember back in the PS1 and PS2 era, FF was a RPG; there was none of this JRPG shit I hear everywhere now. I mean on every western The Last Remnant review I see JRPG to classify the game but back in the PS1 and PS2 era every SQEX western review said RPG? What has changed?

There's some serious segregation and prejudice going on this gen. I don't know why it started but I think it's because back in the PS1 and PS2 era Japanese made RPGs sold the most but so far in this gen western RPGs are selling more such as Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Fable II. Western journalists are now taking this, as well as the Japanese industry currently being weaker than the western one, to their heads and now Japanese developed RPGs are something else and the old shit and classified as a totally different breed of RPG, the JRPG, western RPGs are freely still called RPGs.

WTF? Is this game genre racism?

Seriously if western RPGs take over the west and SQEX stop releasing their JRPGs over here because either they won't sell or constantly get low scores then I'm moving to Japan. That's what these reviewers are aiming for, to stop people buying The Last Remnant and so SQEX will be forced to make games that play like a western RPG to better suit the western market. I mean 5.3 from IGN? Is that a joke? Some of crappest games and movie tie-in get higher than that.

[Kätharina]

Racism? GAME GENRE RACISM?
Are you suggesting that because people are selecting different region games... that it's applied racism? Jesus.
The only reason people have picked up Western RPG's is because they are good games. They have applied that of how JRPG's used to be and created their own method.
The Japanese DO have a weak market, the West are advancing more and more and making BETTER games.
Where as Japan is lagging somewhat, they are trying new method's but they aren't adapting well. It's almost likely they arn't fully taking time to bother in creating anything efficient. And The Last Remnant is a damn good example.
You wonder why their games get low scores? It's because they are not well made and are not applied to correctly, they are not targeting the Western market as a whole and finding out what THAT SPECIFIC consumer wants.

They is no fucking racism here at all.
And if FFXIII gets low scores, oh fucking well. Big deal, its a fucking game, it doesn't mean the West are applying racism on a fucking game and its genre.
Urg. Of course the west are beginning to feel Superior, its a fucking LARGER MARKET. Meaning MORE MONEY.

[Little Miss Scarlett]

I'm pretty sure back then there weren't too many popular Western RPG's so there wouldn't be any point in differentiating between them. Now there's loads and the gameplay and all that tend to be different, so it's just easier to seporate them. Race has nothing to do with it.

SE make far too much money from us to stop selling to us, I doubt that's gonna happen any time soon. Although... I went to Japan recently and we went into a few game shops, there are LOADS of RPG's (not SE) that never get released over here. Like, ten shelves full. But that'll just be because there wouldn't be enough guarranteed sales to be worth all the translating crap.

[Esagan]

I've finished The Last Remnant now. I swear to God the technical issues get even worse on the 2nd disc but, as I've said before, they don't make the game unplayable. IMO, I'd score the game 8.2/10.

The problem is that tech whores are taking over the world. Also westerners are beginning to feel superior to Japanese developers. It's all Wada's fault for saying, "The Japanese industry is weak and the western one is the shit. We now have to make our games adapt to what westerners like." That was the biggest bullshit I've heard from him and he says a lot of BS.

That aside, western journalists are fucking picking on SQEX because of the way they design their games. I remember back in the PS1 and PS2 era, FF was a RPG; there was none of this JRPG shit I hear everywhere now. I mean on every western The Last Remnant review I see JRPG to classify the game but back in the PS1 and PS2 era every SQEX western review said RPG? What the fuck has changed this gen!?

There's some serious segregation and prejudice going on this gen. I don't know why it started but I think it's because back in the PS1 and PS2 era Japanese made RPGs sold the most but so far in this gen western RPGs are selling more such as Oblivion and Fallout 3 and Fable II. Western journalists are taking this as well as the Japanese industry currently being weaker than the western one to their heads and now Japanese developed RPGs are something else and the old shit and classified as a totally different breed of RPG, the JRPG, western RPGs are freely still called RPGs.

WTF? Is this game genre racism?

Seriously if western RPGs take over the west and SQEX stop releasing their JRPGs over here because either they won't sell or constantly get low scores then I'm moving to Japan. That's what these eviews are aiming for, to stop people buying the game and so SQEX will be forced to amke games that play like a western RPG for the western market.

I won't be surprised if I see some low scores of FFXIII. I hope I don't but I won't be surprised if I do.

I'm not surpsied they're picking in Square Enix games, they genuienly suck. Just because western RPG's ARE BETTER atm than Japanese RPG's, doesn't mean they're racists nor does it mean they're being picked on you fucking retard.

Just because a country begins churning out bullshit RPG's (Japan) and the west has started to evolve their skills, doesnt mean journalists are being biased. It just means they don't like certain games.

FFS two of the games you mentioned are by the same fuckign company for god sake! Jesus, you are retarded.

If journalists were shitting on American RPGs and blowing their load of the Japs RPGS you wouldn't be complaining.

Edit: Just for a note here, I fucking hate Square Enix myself, they suck really bad. Does that make me racist for thinking they make bullshit?

[GalvanizA]

You wonder why their games get low scores? It's because they are not well made and are not applied to correctly, they are not targeting the Western market as a whole and finding out what THAT SPECIFIC consumer wants

IMO, The Last Remant is very well made and only the technical issues spoil it. And targeting the western market for their games is full of fail.

[GalvanizA]

I'm not surpsied they're picking in Square Enix games, they genuienly suck. Just because western RPG's ARE BETTER atm than Japanese RPG's, doesn't mean they're racists nor does it mean they're being picked on you fucking retard.

Just because a country begins churning out bullshit RPG's (Japan) and the west has started to evolve their skills, doesnt mean journalists are being biased. It just means they don't like certain games.

FFS two of the games you mentioned are by the same fuckign company for god sake! Jesus, you are retarded.

If journalists were shitting on American RPGs and blowing their load of the Japs RPGS you wouldn't be complaining.

Take your head out your ass.

If you read the reviews that have low scores, they start off with the JRPG this and JRPG that and all the issues they don't like about them like pretty boy leads and grinding. They already have issues with the genre before they even start reviewing the game. The ones that are ok with it like GameSpot still give it 6.5 juist for minor technical issues.

Yeah and I know Oblivion and Fallout 3 are the same company, does the shit even matter? Thy're are both still western RPGs. It's all bias, you're just to anal to see it.

[Esagan]

IMO, The Last Remant is very well made and only the technical issues spoil it. And targeting the western market for their games is full of fail.

Take your head out your ass.

If you read the reviews that have low scores, they start off with the JRPG this and JRPG that and all the issues they don't like about them like pretty boy leads and grinding. They already have issues with the genre before they even start reviewing the game. The ones that are ok with it like GameSpot still give it 6.5 juist for minor technical issues.

Yeah and I know Oblivion and Fallout 3 are the same company, does the shit even matter? Thy're are both still western RPGs. It's all bias, you're just to anal to see it.

Final Fantasy VII - IGN Score: 9.5
Final Fantasy VIII - IGN Score: 9
Final Fantasy IX - IGN Score: 9.2
Final Fantasy X - IGN Score: 9.5
Final Fantasy X-2 - IGN Score: 9.5
Final Fantasy XI - IGN Score: 8 (PC)
Final Fantasy 12 - IGN Score: 9.5 (US), 9 (UK)

Fallout 3 - IGN Score: 9.4
Oblivion - IGN Score: 9.3
Fable 2 - IGN Score: 8.8 (US), 9.5 (UK)

With all those 9's racism is cleary seen :rolleyes:

And yes, being made by the same company gives a hint at which company's are good at making games, not their country.

Get your fucking head out your ass you retard. Yes, JRPG's are full of wanked up pretty boys, I fucking hate pretty boys. They're old, boring and make shit hero characters. Now, I love JAPANESE rpg's and just because they gave your bullshit Laast Remnant a low score, doesn't mean their racists, it just means the west have heightened the standards. FUCK OFF with your racism, and just accept that some people mightn ot like the same bullshit as yourself.

The BIGGEST difference between RPG's and JRPG's that I've noticed is that the west prefers sandbox, and the Japs prefer linear storylines. Now fuck off.

[Neal]

They're not being racist you idiot. They don't like a game because it's shitty, get over it. Infinite Undiscovery was a piece of shit rushed out as well and that sold shit and got pretty shit reviews as well.

When the reviews are shit then the sales are shit that says something collective. If the game was amazing and every site happened to be racists then it would sell well anyway and you wouldn't see pretty much everyone on forums moaning about the tech issues in TLR.

The Last Remant is very well made and only the technical issues spoil it

Yeah, and that's a pretty big factor, and things like framerate drops and texture pop in really annoy some people. Framedrops really fuck me off personally, it wouldn't ruin a game but it would annoy the hell out of me which is not what I want since I play games to have fun :cookie:

[GalvanizA]

Final Fantasy VII - IGN Score: 9.5
Final Fantasy VIII - IGN Score: 9
Final Fantasy IX - IGN Score: 9.2
Final Fantasy X - IGN Score: 9.5
Final Fantasy X-2 - IGN Score: 9.5
Final Fantasy XI - IGN Score: 8 (PC)
Final Fantasy 12 - IGN Score: 9.5 (US), 9 (UK)

Fallout 3 - IGN Score: 9.4
Oblivion - IGN Score: 9.3
Fable 2 - IGN Score: 8.8 (US), 9.5 (UK)

:rolleyes:

FAIL.

1) Wada mentioned that Japanese games are going down in sales and western games are coming so they have to try abnd make their games please the western market this gen.
2) Sales of western RPGs only surpassed JRPGs this gen.
3) The JRPG definition only came into western reviewers main vocabularly this gen.

Fuck the scores of past FF games, that was before the current industry situation. Had The Last Remant come out with JRPGs still being the popular form of RPG then the scores would be higher. Western reviewrs are kncoking The Last Remnant in a way to basically say to SQEX that their shit is not liked anymore so either make stuff we like or don't bring it out. These pretty boy leads need to GTFO for a start!

I know what they're trying to do. "Western power FTW!" that's the tactic their taking. Wada should not have opened his mouth.

[Esagan]

FAIL.

1) Wada mentioned that Japanese games are going down in sales and western games are coming so they have to try abnd make their games please the western market this gen.
2) Sales of western RPGs only surpassed JRPGs this gen.
3) The JRPG definition only came into western reviewers main vocabularly this gen.

Fuck the scores of past FF games, that was before the current industry situation. Had The Last Remant come out with JRPGs still being the popular form of RPG then the scores would be higher. Western reviewrs are kncoking The Last Remnant in a way to basically say to SQEX that their shit is not liked anymore so either make stuff we like or don't bring it out. These pretty boy leads need to GTFO for a start!

I know what they're trying to do. "Western power FTW!" that's the tactic their taking. Wada should not have opened his mouth.

STFU YOU FUCKING FANBOY CUNT

Now.

The only reason you're crying is because your game sucks balls according to the west.

Now, just because they add a J to an RPG, doesn't mean they're battering it, it probably means

1) That it might suit your tastes more if you like the Japanese style
2) Some people might only buy RPG's from a Japanese company as they're reputation is high.

Stop being a whiny bitch and cut your wrists ffs. :wub:

[Little Miss Scarlett]

SE made one game that people don't like, so they're going to stop selling games abroad altogether?

And how the fuck did X-2 get more than VIII?

[Kätharina]

Fuck the scores of past FF games, that was before the current industry situation. Had The Last Remant come out with JRPGs still being the popular form of RPG then the scores would be higher. Western reviewrs are kncoking The Last Remnant in a way to basically say to SQEX that their shit is not liked anymore so either make stuff we like or don't bring it out. These pretty boy leads need to GTFO for a start!

I know what they're trying to do. "Western power FTW!" that's the tactic their taking. Wada should not have opened his mouth.

No it wouldn't have gotten a better score. IT WOULD STILL GET THE SAME FUCKING OPINION BECAUSE IT'S A RUSHED GAME WITH ISSUES.
Of course its only the Western reviewers. Because apparently... i heard we are being genre racist.

Brb gna go leech on some of that fucking Western Power tactic talk you where just spitting out of your mouth.

[GalvanizA]

If the game was amazing and every site happened to be racists then it would sell well anyway and you wouldn't see pretty much everyone on forums moaning about the tech issues in TLR.

Yeah, and that's a pretty big factor, and things like framerate drops and texture pop in really annoy some people. Framedrops really fuck me off personally, it wouldn't ruin a game but it would annoy the hell out of me which is not what I want since I play games to have fun :cookie:

Well people are buying The Last Remant even though it has low scores and liking the game so that says something, clearly. There are a few gamers that are complaining about the technical issues but others say it's not so bad and can get past it and it doesn't totally destroy their gaming experience.

Anyway, so you don't like frame rate drops in games? That sucks, you must have been pissed when it dropped during Shadow of the Colossus if you've played the game. Which reminds me, EDGE Magazine UK gave that game 8/10 and said the frame rate issue is so bothersome that you just want to give up on the game. OK, now I know shit loads of people across the internet and in real life that were not affected in the least with the frame rate issues in SotC and maybe didn't even notice them. These western reviewers are just tech whores.

In The Last Remnant's case they are using technical issues it as an excuse to give the game an average rating. Can you image Shadow of the Colossus getting 6/10 because of frame rate problems? Oh Lawd...

[Kätharina]

Of course technical issues are an excuse to give a poor rating.
THEY AFFECT THE GAMER AND THEIR EXPERIENCE. dumbfuck.

[Esagan]

Well people are buying The Last Remant even though it has low scores and liking the game so that says something, clearly. There are a few gamers that are complaining about the technical issues but others say it's not so bad and can get past it and it doesn't totally destroy their gaming experience.

Anyway, so you don't like frame rate drops in games? That sucks, you must have been pissed when it dropped during Shadow of the Colossus if you've played the game. Which reminds me, EDGE Magazine UK gave that game 8/10 and said the frame rate issue is so bothersome that you just want to give up on the game. OK, now I know shit loads of people across the internet and in real life that were not affected in the least with the frame rate issues in SotC and maybe didn't even notice them. These western reviewers are just tech whores.

In The Last Remnant's case they are using technical issues it as an excuse to give the game an average rating. Can you image Shadow of the Colossus getting 6/10 because of frame rate problems? Oh Lawd...

OMFG!! You annoy me so much

SOTC - 2006 for the Playstation 2

LR - 2008 for the Xbox 360

This is a new fucking age of gaming on NEXT GENERATION CONSOLES.

DO YOU SEE WHAT BULLSHIT YOU SPEW?

[GalvanizA]

SE made one game that people don't like, so they're going to stop selling games abroad altogether?

That's not exactly the point I'm making. You heard how they are opening an internal LA studio and are decking it out with western developers, right?

They are doing it as their shit doesn't sell here, even with good reviews. Only their main series FF and KH games sell in the west. What I see happening is JRPGs will continue to be relesed here but this new LA studio and the new IP their making will be advertised more and promoted in the west while the other JRPGs will just be released with no fanfare to a niche western fanbase.

They are throwing in the towel on their own work and instead giving in to the mass western market as they know the mass wetern market don't like their shit so they have to conform and make shit the mass wetern market will buy.

[Kätharina]

I LOVE THE FACT ON HOW YOU SEEM TO SKIP CERTAIN POSTS PEOPLE MAKE <333333

I MAY GO BUY SOME MCDONALDS LATER.

[Esagan]

Yeah haha XD Talk about ignoring people who are kicking your ass Galvan HAHAHAHA

[Kätharina]

BUT SHE MUST JUSTIFY ALL OF THE POINTS YOU SEE.

[GalvanizA]

SOTC - 2006 for the Playstation 2

LR - 2008 for the Xbox 360

This is a new fucking age of gaming on NEXT GENERATION CONSOLES.

GTFO! That don't mean shit!

Frame rate problems are frame rate problems no matter the console. If EDGE was pissed at it in SotC then it can be compared to how people are pissed with it in The Last Remnant. They're just tech whores and you're one of them.

[Kätharina]

FOR MAXIMUM POINTS

-99999

[Neal]

Well people are buying The Last Remant even though it has low scores and liking the game so that says something, clearly. There are a few gamers that are complaining about the technical issues but others say it's not so bad and can get past it and it doesn't totally destroy their gaming experience.

Anyway, so you don't like frame rate drops in games? That sucks, you must have been pissed when it dropped during Shadow of the Colossus if you've played the game. Which reminds me, EDGE Magazine UK gave that game 8/10 and said the frame rate issue is so bothersome that you just want to give up on the game. OK, now I know shit loads of people across the internet and in real life that were not affected in the least with the frame rate issues in SotC and maybe didn't even notice them. These western reviewers are just tech whores.

In The Last Remnant's case they are using technical issues it as an excuse to give the game an average rating. Can you image Shadow of the Colossus getting 6/10 because of frame rate problems? Oh Lawd...

Source data please? Not sure how you've got any numbers yet other than that first day sales which which was a medicore 78k in japan.

Yes they piss me off, and I loved Shadow of the Colossus the frame rate was choppy when you fought the Colossus' but it was playable, not that bad. Didn't grind down to about 15fps like The Last Remnant does. That game also had amazing art direction and TLR just looks pretty average in that department. Fish men...? Cmon.

No they're not. The long repetitive battles, unfair and sudden change in difficulty, the texture pop in, the shitty voice acting, the bland outdated graphics (according to IGN's video view - little story telling). Not just one factor makes a game shit unless it crashes and doesn't let you finish.

Oh yeah, and Edge is a really shit place to go for opinions.

[GalvanizA]

Of course technical issues are an excuse to give a poor rating.
THEY AFFECT THE GAMER AND THEIR EXPERIENCE.

Oh boy, there was severe slow down on 11 out of the 16 Colossi so now the ending has lost it's impact.

FAIL.

[Esagan]

GTFO! That don't mean shit!

Frame rate problems are frame rate problems no matter the console. If EDGE was pissed at it in SotC then it can be compared to how people are pissed with it in The Last Remnant. They're just tech whores and you're one of them.

Uhm if a game with pretty orgasmic graphics (Which didnt drop frames for me btw) loses them on a dated console, then it's way more acceptable than losing them on a console supposedly capable of more.

If you drove 200MPH in a 5 year old estate car with a few skids here and there, you'd find that more acceptable than if you were driving 200MPH with skids in a Ferrari. Do you see what I mean retard?

[Kätharina]

Oh boy, there was severe slow down on 11 out of the 16 Colossi so now the ending has lost it's impact.

FAIL.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/Cafryn1/IMG_1323copy.jpg

[Neal]

Uhm if a game with pretty orgasmic graphics (Which didnt drop frames for me btw) loses them on a dated console, then it's way more acceptable than losing them on a console supposedly capable of more.

If you drove 200MPH in a 5 year old estate car with a few skids here and there, you'd find that more acceptable than if you were driving 200MPH with skids in a Ferrari. Do you see what I mean retard?
Yeah exactly. SOTC was a huge scale game on the PlayStation 2. The Last Remnant can't even manage a boring bland open desert without slowing down on a console that's meant to be omfg amazen. It's shitty programming which is lazy which is why it's getting slagged off.

[GalvanizA]

Source data please? Not sure how you've got any numbers yet other than that first day sales which which was a medicore 78k in japan.

Yes they piss me off, and I loved Shadow of the Colossus the frame rate was choppy when you fought the Colossus' but it was playable, not that bad. Didn't grind down to about 15fps like The Last Remnant does. That game also had amazing art direction and TLR just looks pretty average in that department. Fish men...? Cmon.

No they're not. The long repetitive battles, unfair and sudden change in difficulty, the texture pop in, the shitty voice acting, the bland outdated graphics (according to IGN's video view - little story telling). Not just one factor makes a game shit unless it crashes and doesn't let you finish.

Oh yeah, and Edge is a really shit place to go for opinions.

My source is other forums where people have bought and are playing the game, the mainstream view is the game is good and the technical issues are not that bad. Actually, on GameFAQs a whole host of people bought the game only knowing the 7/10 it got fom Official Xbox Magazine and were critical to the tech flaws initially but as they began playing they didn't notice them anymore. Even people on this forum that are playing the game were saying similar.

You ain't played The Last Remnant yet so you haven't seen all the locations but it does have very beautiful art. I mean, it's freaking Yusuke Naora!

Still, I don't get how you can accept frame rate issues in SotC and be so critical of it in The Last Remnant. Especially seeing as SotC was internal by Sony and not the first game by the team for the PS2 so there should be no excuse for it. In the case of TLR, it was using Unreal Engine 3 by a company that has never used it before and ateam that had never developed a next-gen game. They also had acquired it at stage when bugs were still pevalent in the engine such as Dennis Dyack was complaining about with in regards Too Human which was a 360 exclusive.

[Esagan]

My source is other forums where people have bought and are playing the game, the mainstream view is the game is good and the technical issues are not that bad. Actually, on GameFAQs a whole host of people bought the game only knowing the 7/10 it got fom Official Xbox Magazine and were critical to the tech flaws initially but as they began playing they didn't notice them anymore. Even people on this forum that are playing the game were saying similar.

You ain't played The Last Remnant yet so you haven't seen all the locations but it does have very beautiful art. I mean, it's freaking Yusuke Naora!

Still, I don't get how you can accept frame rate issues in SotC and be so critical of it in The Last Remnant. Especially seeing as SotC was internal by Sony and not the first game by the team for the PS2 so there should be no excuse for it. In the case of TLR, it was using Unreal Engine 3 by a company that has never used it before and ateam that had never developed a next-gen game. They also had acquired it at stage when bugs were still pevalent in the engine such as Dennis Dyack was complaining about with in regards Too Human which was a 360 exclusive.

Ok for fuck sake.

STOP ON ABOUT SOTC.

SOTC was a game that was pretty damn big yet was made playable on a dated console. The fact that they were able to get the game running aswell as it did was one of the impressive points to it.

LR is a game with standard graphics losing frames on a console which should easily be able to run it.

Do you see how your argument is flawed? <333

Now, if your going to continue to be retarded, please go to a Square Enix fanboy forums.

[GalvanizA]

SOTC was a game that was pretty damn big yet was made playable on a dated console. The fact that they were able to get the game running aswell as it did was one of the impressive points to it.

Don't mean shit.

It's made by Sony and freaking was in development for 4 years. There's no excuse for slowdown or frame rate problems. The team knew the fucked up with the frame rate anyway as back when it came out in the USA they said in UK interviews that they were going to try and fix up the frame rate for the PAL version.

Still, I agree with you on one thing there are other online communites where I can better spend my time.

[Neal]

What Luc is saying is that SOTC was a hardware issue and TLR is just fucking lazy. They should have made an engine that worked properly, or used Crystal Tools or something. Not license an engine they clearly know nothing about. You don't see Gears of War with a shitty framerate like that. Nor do you see UT3 on PS3, Mirrors Edge and loads of other Unreal Engine games. Lost Odyssey has some framerate problems but not nearly anything like what I've seen of TLR.

But you're right, I haven't played it. I've only listened to the collective opinion and seen videos online. I'll play it then come back and complain. :aldo:

[Moklin]

Thinking abou that,I never played a western RPG.

[Selryam]

GTFO! That don't mean shit!

Frame rate problems are frame rate problems no matter the console. If EDGE was pissed at it in SotC then it can be compared to how people are pissed with it in The Last Remnant. They're just tech whores and you're one of them.

I don't see how you think you can try to convince people to see your point when all you can do is quote scores from games that existed two generations of console gaming ago, and you're comparing the graphical and technical power of two different generation consoles and claiming that works as a valid point. :wtf:

[Hitoshura]

All I here in this thread is "Blah, Blah, Blah." If a game has tech issues its gonna lose points, but stop acting like its only for JRPGs. Take a look at Fallout 3, that has technical issues on the PS3 and you see some sites (IGN, GameSpot) making the score lower than the 360 version, so please stfu.

EDIT: Do I see some SotC bashing? You can kindly gtfo please.

[Esagan]

All I here in this thread is "Blah, Blah, Blah." If a game has tech issues its gonna lose points, but stop acting like its only for JRPGs. Take a look at Fallout 3, that has technical issues on the PS3 and you see some sites (IGN, GameSpot) making the score lower than the 360 version, so please stfu.

EDIT: Do I see some SotC bashing? You can kindly gtfo please.

Hear* .

[Pixel]

I've finished The Last Remnant now. I swear to God the technical issues get even worse on the 2nd disc but, as I've said before, they don't make the game unplayable. IMO, I'd score the game 8.2/10.

The problem is that tech whores are taking over the world. Also westerners are beginning to feel superior to Japanese developers. It's all Wada's fault for saying, "The Japanese industry is weak and the western one is the shit. We now have to make our games adapt to what westerners like." That was the biggest bullshit I've heard from him and he says a lot of BS.

That aside, western journalists are fucking picking on SQEX because of the way they design their games. I remember back in the PS1 and PS2 era, FF was a RPG; there was none of this JRPG shit I hear everywhere now. I mean on every western The Last Remnant review I see JRPG to classify the game but back in the PS1 and PS2 era every SQEX western review said RPG? What has changed?

There's some serious segregation and prejudice going on this gen. I don't know why it started but I think it's because back in the PS1 and PS2 era Japanese made RPGs sold the most but so far in this gen western RPGs are selling more such as Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Fable II. Western journalists are now taking this, as well as the Japanese industry currently being weaker than the western one, to their heads and now Japanese developed RPGs are something else and the old shit and classified as a totally different breed of RPG, the JRPG, western RPGs are freely still called RPGs.

WTF? Is this game genre racism?

Seriously if western RPGs take over the west and SQEX stop releasing their JRPGs over here because either they won't sell or constantly get low scores then I'm moving to Japan. That's what these reviewers are aiming for, to stop people buying The Last Remnant and so SQEX will be forced to make games that play like a western RPG to better suit the western market. I mean 5.3 from IGN? Is that a joke? Some of crappest games and movie tie-in get higher than that.


It's not that western games are taking over, its just that most of them DON'T SHIP WITH TERRIBLe TECH ISSUES.

When a JRPG comes out with no tech issues and is actually good and innovative, it will sell. Until then, Bethesda and Bioware will rule the US.

[Xion]

all this over opinions? .......... ill stay away....

[Esagan]

all this over opinions? .......... ill stay away....

THEN WHY FUCKING POST HERE AT ALL? http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/JesusBlewMeOnce/arnold_kindergarten_cop.jpg

[Neal]

all this over opinions? .......... ill stay away....
That was hardly worth the post. Also, frame rate fuck ups aren't opinion :wtf:

[Sabin]

All JRPGs does not get bad scores. (Metacritic.)
Tales of Vesperia (8.1) haven't played
Valkyria Chronicles (8.6) great game imo
Lost Odyssey (7.8) good game imo
Blue Dragon (7.9) shit game imo
Eternal Sonata XBOX360 (7.9) shit game imo
Eternal Sonata PS3 (8.0) -
Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice (7.8) haven't played
Enchanted Arms (6.9) worst game ever

A shit game like Blue Dragon gets an average of 7.9 on metacritic. Yes I see the racism more clearly now. The worst RPG I have ever played has an average of 6.9.

Just so you know GalvanizA the Japanese reviewers does the same thing. This is nothing new.
Just look at Japanese scores on some western games and you will understand.

[Neal]

Oh shit. You're joking? Blue Dragon, 7.9?! I hated that game. Shitty style, shitty combat system, shitty concept, shitty characters and even worse voice acting. 7.9, Holy shit.

[Selryam]

I wouldn't say I'm amazed by Blue Dragon's score (Not that it was actually good), or many of the others there, but...

Enchanted Arms, 6.9? Good lord, that game didn't even deserve a 4... It was horrible.

[Esagan]

I wouldn't say I'm amazed by Blue Dragon's score (Not that it was actually good), or many of the others there, but...

Enchanted Arms, 6.9? Good lord, that game didn't even deserve a 4... It was horrible.

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[Wind]

SE made one game that people don't like, so they're going to stop selling games abroad altogether?

And how the fuck did X-2 get more than VIII?

Possibly because of the ffx vibe that everybody lieks. (let's go cyber fap to the trio in the hawt spring scene /sarcasm).

I do have the say X-2 really had a great idea going with the Dress Spheres, Mini-games and overall playability. What "murdered" it for me was the completion system which contributed to missed content and multiple endings. Otherwise I had a blast listening to the upbeat music and a different direction for the series.

But more than ff8?...

[IBeatMyMeat]

I stopped reading all the bashing after a while, but the difference in console makes a huge difference when you look at one game in particular that was released as is on the PS2 and XBOX360 with years serperation: FFXI. the Xbox version has much reduced FPS issues than the PS2 version, just like a highend computer will molest both of them for FPS. Just figure I'd destroy the FPS between consoles argument ^^.

[Xion]

with all the dumbass posts being made here, funny anyone would even bother replying to mines..if its so not worth the post in the first place.

Point is, Reviews are opinions. If you love the game, then why the hell make such a big deal over some low scores? the game runs like complete and utter shit, it does not matter how tolerable you think it is. generally speaking, a game should be more polished than this. Runs like crap = scores take a hit. But again, if you can still enjoy the game, then stop caring so much about reviews, or even thinking its some kind of conspiracy against Square or something..its retarded.

[Esagan]

with all the dumbass posts being made here, funny anyone would even bother replying to mines..if its so not worth the post in the first place..

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[Xion]

LMFAO! That made me roll

[Ikkin]

While I agree that western journalists sometimes don't treat JRPGs fairly in reviews - criticizing a game for being turn-based comes to mind - I don't think they're completely incapable of reviewing games properly. Portable JRPGs have been doing perfectly fine - to use some DS games as an example, Metacritic gives an average of 85 for FFIV DS (even being a remake), 89 for The World Ends With You, and 93 for Chrono Trigger DS (the highest-scoring DS game, and a remake to boot).

The real problem, I think, is that JRPGs tend to have the longest turn-around time in all of gaming, and the addition of the extra time needed for HD didn't help. Most of what we're seeing is "second-tier" or lower, so of course it would seem like the scores were low compared to when the PS2 and PSOne were in their glory days.

The test for this, of course, will be FFXIII.


I do want to defend the use of the term "JRPG," though. It's not, I think, intended to make JRPGs seem like a less important thing so much as it's intended to separate JRPGs from the pre-videogame western use of the term "RPG." Western RPGs really do intend to have the player "roleplay" in the Dungeons and Dragons sense, while JRPGs define the role for the player - I think it's this distinction, more than anything, which led to the saddling of JRPGs with an extra letter.

[Dart-123]

I agree, western journalists don't always like Japanese games, but that is usually a matter of "don't like the style" than "I hate the Japs" kinda thing. The same thing can be applied as to why Anime fans are discriminated against; most Americans hate the over-the-top artistic styles and the fetich for old-school-animation that Anime represents.

It's not that Americans naturally hate the Japanese, it's just that the Japanese have a totally different style and pop cultural way of making their forms of entertainment in ways that Americans cannot relate to.

Plus, it can also work in reverse, since our very own Tetsuya Nomura is openly racist towards towards the west and will never talk to western journalists. So one can say "the feeling's mutual" I suppose.

[Zeroedged]

From my understanding the topic starter is complaining that western journalist are racist because they are generalizing all RPGs that come from Japan as JRPG... So what..

Seriously is it really that surprising there are so many JRPGs that it doesn't surprise me at all. In my opinion western RPGs just only recently (maybe not really recently) started getting big on consoles, while JRPGs have always had a place.

The only reason these journalist are doing these so called racist things saying that all the characters are pretty boys and what not is because it's true. Maybe if a Japanese company took the time to make something new and not cookie cutter Japanese RPG style, then the journalist would have less to complain about.

If western RPGs surpass JRPGs this generation that's just something you are going to have to learn to live with. Have you even played Fallout or Oblivion those games are awesome, and if any Japanese company took tips from those games success maybe they would make better games (seriously how hard is it to make a non linear rpg Japan).

Oh yeah since I totally went off on a rant there I forgot to mention. It is the journalist job to tell people about the games technical issues whether it bothers people or not. It's better to warn people about potential problems than just let them get pissed off on their own.

[●S.K.Y●]

why you always make the unnecessary-complicated topic?

Seriously , we cannot rely on the charts or the percentages or any of the criticals from journalists , because it's inaccurate , there're something more deeper about this , the charts or the points the information gave is superficial and not accurate enough , actually.

The journalists often exaggerate and too nonsense criticals sometimes....but that's NOT mean when they start to shit against Square Enix games so all people will follow their thoughts and start to run away from Square Enix games , cuz they have 'brains' enough to consider.

But i agree with you in that point that they should not classify RPG and JRPG games , but this does not relate in racism at all..........but the fact is the market strategy as the western games that made by western countries and start to sell in its own western markets will get more advantages than japanese games which come from Asia absolutely , because japanese games seem exotic to their sight , and also it comes to western market which is not their own market , so it'll not prevail western games for sure.....the landlord is always superior than visitors

Plus , as i recognize , you should not condemn all , because if they don't like Square Enix games so much , it does not mean they will not like all the games from japan .... because Resident Evil games (Biohazard) from Capcom is not that bad in US (i think ^^).