Versus main character and plot/story

[Terros]

I think logically it would make more sense for the solidiers to have been hired from within, that or they got in somehow undetected until the reached the castle, that would imply that someone on the inside, and probabaly of high standing helped them.

[Cilvia]

^ I've had that sig forever. =| Got it off a site.....sorry I'll make a new one in Photoshop then if it angers you so much.
hahah, np, i wasnt in in anger just joking :) It is just not interesting if all will be same, right? :)

[Ringlets]

What's the point of even having them if he's strong enough to take care of himself?

Decorative corpses?

Im thinking...that the guards are hereditary. I mean like whoever the last king or whatever wasn't very strong so he had a bunch o' guards and taxi services, but this new guy doesn't need them but keeps them anyway for show.

[Rade]

Ok I just had a theory. There's been some talk about how a theme for the game could be Sleep or Dreams. At several points in the new trailer the character's eyes seem to droop as if he's about to drop off, and I'm not sure why but the symbols on his shirt remind me of something dream-like. Plus at the end of the trailer it shows him sitting down seemingly sleeping, and also dreaming since we see his eye twitch slightly. I know this is a shot we see at the start of the previous trailer before he goes outside, but the way its cut here makes it look like this is also happening after the battle.

Someone in another topic already said that he could be dreaming the whole fight, which got me to thinking. What if your time playing as this character is all in a dream-world that he's unable to wake from? An everlasting night, as the trailer lyrics themselves say. I know it sounds a bit like Eternal Sonata right now but there could be another element to it.

There's supposed to be a female heroin parallel to the male hero. Thinking about 'parallel', it means these two characters are both as important as each other; they're both the main character. Couldn't that mean we would get to play as them both? What if we play as the male in his dream-world, and the female out in the real world, as she attempts to do something to try and awaken him?

I could be totally wrong of course but I think it's as solid a theory as any right now.

[Dark Remnant]

Ok I just had a theory. There's been some talk about how a theme for the game could be Sleep or Dreams. At several points in the new trailer the character's eyes seem to droop as if he's about to drop off, and I'm not sure why but the symbols on his shirt remind me of something dream-like. Plus at the end of the trailer it shows him sitting down seemingly sleeping, and also dreaming since we see his eye twitch slightly. I know this is a shot we see at the start of the previous trailer before he goes outside, but the way its cut here makes it look like this is also happening after the battle.

Someone in another topic already said that he could be dreaming the whole fight, which got me to thinking. What if your time playing as this character is all in a dream-world that he's unable to wake from? An everlasting night, as the trailer lyrics themselves say. I know it sounds a bit like Eternal Sonata right now but there could be another element to it.

There's supposed to be a female heroin parallel to the male hero. Thinking about 'parallel', it means these two characters are both as important as each other; they're both the main character. Couldn't that mean we would get to play as them both? What if we play as the male in his dream-world, and the female out in the real world, as she attempts to do something to try and awaken him?

I could be totally wrong of course but I think it's as solid a theory as any right now.

There's one thing that doesn't fit though, if he only fights when he's dreaming it then why at the end of the trailer does he go back to sleep? he's already dreaming so sleeping in a dream would be pointless, no?

[Rade]

My theory was that he doesn't go back to sleep, that bit at the end is actually showing him sleeping out in the real world, while in his head he's fighting. Hence the slight eye-twitch.

[Naunen]

I however don't think it's logical. Who in the city would hire soldiers in crappy armour? How would that tie into the story where this isolated nation is struggling against the heretic order of the outer world? It still doesn't explain how they got there. We know it has to do with the Crystal. Unless you're saying some other badass mofo in the city wants the Crystal. That would then defeat the purpose of a world map.
@Rade: I wonder about the text at the end of that other trailer that reads as either "He is still not awake" or "It is still not awake." :blink:

[Dark Vincent]

My theory was that he doesn't go back to sleep, that bit at the end is actually showing him sleeping out in the real world, while in his head he's fighting. Hence the slight eye-twitch.Yeah that's what I have been saying all along, not sure on the female protagonist thing and all other stuff you mentioned, but I strongly believe the whole battle is a dream and the bit showing him sleeping is just him in the real world. The hints are all so subtle and everything makes sense that I just can't believe on anything else until they give us the details themselves.

[Dark Remnant]

I'm personally not going to speculate yet, I doubt half of the stuff we've seen from trailers will appear in the final product anyway.

Good theorie though. :cookie:

[Terros]

Exactly we shouldn't get to hung up until we have more conclusive info.

[Naunen]

I'm curious as to the saying in the CLOUD magazine: "there is basically no right or wrong in things" as the title description for Versus XIII. For all we know, he's probably the "bad" guy. :blink: Squeenix rules for using that quote. xD

[Terros]

I'm starting to side with this whole idea of him possibly dreaming. Though I'm not gonna get to attached to the idea.

[Lifrasthir]

Rade's theory reminds me of The Circle Trilogy by Ted Dekker. Because whenever Thomas Hunter goes to sleep on Earth, he always wakes up on a different Earth. And vice versa...Ahem..

I like your theory Rade. But I do agree with you it's about as solid as any other theory there is out there. Good theory though..

[Naunen]

I wonder how it will be "tragic" to us.

[Terros]

Perhaps we'll be able to take a guess when we see some more characters, and how they interacts as well as when we get a some info on the situation in general.

[Naunen]

Heh heh... I wanna see this guy get headlocked. And of course, we all wanna see if anyone will be able to hurt him. O.o *violent thoughts*

[Dark Vincent]

The whole "tragic" and "there is no evil or good on this one" idea can be just something they are pulling on us to try and impress too, really. Look at Xenogears, they said the same thing, but in the end somebody is trying to destroy the world for whatever reason and that's not good for anybody alive :P

[DarkCoffin]

If he's royalty, where are his soldiers and servants? Are those his sentries lying dead outside?

Hmm you would think someone as strong as this guy would at least have some bodyguards that can put up a fight.

[Naunen]

Hmm you would think someone as strong as this guy would at least have some bodyguards that can put up a fight.

----That or he was sleepfighting and killed his own people earlier and never knew. :shifty: *ridiculous thoughts*

[Maiya]

Lol. Or he was too lazy to clean up the dead bodies from a previous fight so he just left them there on the stairs. Lazy arse... Probably just went back to sleep after killing everyone.

[Dark Vincent]

Or maybe they are corpses from another enemy force that tried to attack before and he was too lazy to clean (or wanted to scare people away)

[Naunen]

That or he's expecting someone to clean up such a mess.

[Cilvia]

hmm, do you think that there many strange things (excpect bodyguards and servants) - if he is the last heir, and he is that young, where are his parents- queen and king? Maybe something happend with them too, and it will have some place in story? i guess there will be some info about royalty as well

[Naunen]

And usually, people like him would have siblings. O_o

[Neal]

What, because he's royal? No necessarily. He the last anyway, so something obviously happened to the parents like Cilvia says. :cookie:

[Naunen]

Or something happened to family at least.

[ukillwegrill]

There's one thing that doesn't fit though, if he only fights when he's dreaming it then why at the end of the trailer does he go back to sleep? he's already dreaming so sleeping in a dream would be pointless, no?


In the new trailer not yet in english he is fighting in the day time

[Naunen]

Now that oughtta be interesting. When we ever see these trailers though which is probably not soon.

[Spinel]

if the latest trailer of last year just appear late recently, maybe I guessed the new trailer would take another time to be distributed....

erm... I'm new here...

I guess people like him has some friends and guardians, according to the review of the latest trailer. There seems to be a lot of new characters appear.

well...

[Maiya]

if the latest trailer of last year just appear late recently, maybe I guessed the new trailer would take another time to be distributed....

erm... I'm new here...

I guess people like him has some friends and guardians, according to the review of the latest trailer. There seems to be a lot of new characters appear.

well...

Actually, I've wanted to talk about the new trailers that have been reviewed, but haven't been released to the public. Maybe I should start a thread for that or something. But anyway, I don't think they're really considered friends since well, Veruko (blonde girl in the trailers) attacked him (somewhat).

The other guys we don't know about, though the robed person also attacks the prince. I think the only one that can be considered a friend is the Shotgun guy... Also, I don't even think the prince needs guardians. You know, the whole beating the crap out of the soldiers and all without a scratch.

[Terros]

May I ask where you got the name for the girl from?

[Naunen]

Veruko is a nickname Maiki gave the girl. Veru as in Verusasu and ko as in an affectionate nickname for a girl. BlankChocobo mentioned in another thread.

[Maiya]

Ah, thanks Naunen. I guess I should've stated that it was a nickname given by Maiki. I tend to use her nicknames frequently. So, yeah I called the blande haired girl from Versus Veruko.

[Spinel]

Actually, I've wanted to talk about the new trailers that have been reviewed, but haven't been released to the public. Maybe I should start a thread for that or something. But anyway, I don't think they're really considered friends since well, Veruko (blonde girl in the trailers) attacked him (somewhat).

The other guys we don't know about, though the robed person also attacks the prince. I think the only one that can be considered a friend is the Shotgun guy... Also, I don't even think the prince needs guardians. You know, the whole beating the crap out of the soldiers and all without a scratch.
I ever consider Veruko as an antogonist/betrayer....
According to the new trailer... isn't there any other guys that came with him in the same car? The shotgun, the scar eye, and the driver.

If I'm not wrong, Veruko's clothes is white, isn't it? Could that be mean that there's a connection between her and the robed one?

[ukillwegrill]

Ive just noticed at the end of the trailer were he sits on his throne their is light streaming throught the walls

[Spinel]

Ive just noticed at the end of the trailer were he sits on his throne their is light streaming throught the walls
Aren't those lights were neon light? because it was tube shaped and has a steel like end at the lights.

[ukillwegrill]

[quote=Spinel;59573]Aren't those lights were neon light? because it was tube shaped and has a steel like end at the lights.[/Im not sure as it seemd to be Flooding through like a gap in a church window, Neon dosent have that effect it glows

[Maiya]

I ever consider Veruko as an antogonist/betrayer....
According to the new trailer... isn't there any other guys that came with him in the same car? The shotgun, the scar eye, and the driver.

If I'm not wrong, Veruko's clothes is white, isn't it? Could that be mean that there's a connection between her and the robed one?

Veruko could be the betrayer... But... In the recent trailer showed, Veruko was seen walking and talking with Shotgun guy. The prince had also been talking and walking with Shotgun Guy at one point in one of the trailers. But Veruko attacked the prince... I don't know... It could be a love/hate relationship between the prince and Veruko.

Haha, and Shotgun Guy could just be trying to keep the peace. Ummmm... Veruko's clothing's top is white, her skirt and shirt underneath are black. Though, she maybe be related to the robed person. I'm so glad there adding new characters too!

[Terros]

She could be the heroine, though still think it's the woman on the logo. Any as for the guy with the gun, he could be a friend who has two friends that hate each other...

[Naunen]

I wonder if he's a loner of sorts. The Versus guy don't look much like the talkative type. Very real indeed. If someone opens up to another, it calls for a risk of getting hurt.

[Terros]

just cause he's not talkative doesn't mean he doesn't have friends.

[Naunen]

Doesn't mean he does have friends either. I wonder if the girl was a childhood friend of sorts. It said he had a look of despair when she decided to attack him.

[Dark Remnant]

Or an old flame maybe?

[Naunen]

Perhaps that as well. I wonder why she'd attack him.

[Terros]

He must have done something that ticked her off...

[Naunen]

That or he has something she wants.

[James Dean]

I bet they're related. I have a feeling the protagonist will be fighting members of his family.

[Naunen]

Now that's something. The girl wields fire and a red rapier, right? I wonder if there was another Crystal recently. Maybe the Crystal bearers have to seize each others' Crystals. That brings up another question though: What happened to the other Crystals if the hero's defending the last Crystal? From those words, you'd think the other Crystals were broken.

[James Dean]

That's why I'm thinking they're related. The city possesses the last crystal. If the villains are related to the protagonist, they would have access to the crystal, which would explain their abilities. The plot itself will probably be about a power struggle within the family over the crystal. "...based on reality" = family issues:cookie:

[Naunen]

If it were family, wouldn't relatives bear some kind of resemblence? Just some kind, significant or not. Maybe it's a survival of the fittest among kingdoms. After all, what happens if the last Crystal was taken? What would that do to the Prince? Also, we've only heard of one advanced kingdom. Perhaps there had been others that have been laid to ruins with royalty wandering about.

[James Dean]

Well I think the crystal is much more sophisticated, I don't think it's something that can just be easily taken. And, family members don't necessarily have to look alike...I look nothing like my cousins or my uncle for that matter. So far, we know the power comes from the crystals...there maybe other royal families out there, but they wouldn't have any power without the crystals. Plus, the similarities of the girl's or the white robed man's powers when compared to those of the protagonist...kinda give it away.

[Naunen]

Knowing Square-Enix, they do weird things with family and resemblance (as if Grimoire needed a cloak in Dirge of Cerberus, dear gods!). Even so, would one Crystal, particularly the last one, be of all elements?

[Maiya]

@Naunen Where did it say that he had a look of despair when she attacked him? That's new info to me.

Well, they don't technically have to be considered friends do they? I mean, just using this as an example, there are some people at my school who like to hang around me at school even though I make it known that I don't like them and usually don't respond to them because of that reason. So, in the prince's case, it could be as so. I know there are people who hang out with quiet people just because... And maybe the prince just tolerates the presence of the other characters, except maybe Veruko's (Egghhhh... I'm just going to call her Veruko, because it's easier for me).

Also, I don't think that they are related. It's a chance they could be, but then again who knows? Actually, I think they just belong to different kingdoms or something of the sort. I mean, I think that just because the prince, Veruko, and robed person have 'similar' powers due to the fact maybe that they're all royalty or something along the lines.

I don't think that a person technically has to lose they're powers even if the crystal is lost. Seeing as there is only one crystal. But I do think that the crystal plays a role in power.

[Terros]

I think so as as well, and it is possible the woman and the protagonist are related. I honestly think if we knew more about the crystal or even saw what it looked like we could speculate more on how it works.

[Maiya]

Speaking about how it works--Do we even know what it does? Also, about the whole being related thing, has SE really ever used related characters in their games that much? I know once in a while maybe like in FFXII with Basch (sp?) and his twin brother (Ummm.. Excuse me if I am completely wrong, didn't play the game due to bad reviews and comments on it), but other than a few times it hasn't really been used I think. Plus, I'm used to seeing similarities.

I think maybe the prince and Veruko could've been engaged or something...And the prince decided to break it off for some reason. But then again, this is my mind running wild so yeah... Maybe that's why she attacked him? Because you know a woman could get reeeally angry for something like that. Grudge like mad, sort of like the hell hath no fury like a heavenly maiden crack. Errr... Sorry if I'm offending anybody.

[BlankChocobo]

Speaking about how it works--Do we even know what it does? Also, about the whole being related thing, has SE really ever used related characters in their games that much? I know once in a while maybe like in FFXII with Basch (sp?) and his twin brother (Ummm.. Excuse me if I am completely wrong, didn't play the game due to bad reviews and comments on it), but other than a few times it hasn't really been used I think. Plus, I'm used to seeing similarities.

I think maybe the prince and Veruko could've been engaged or something...And the prince decided to break it off for some reason. But then again, this is my mind running wild so yeah... Maybe that's why she attacked him? Because you know a woman could get reeeally angry for something like that. Grudge like mad, sort of like the hell hath no fury like a heavenly maiden crack. Errr... Sorry if I'm offending anybody.

I think related characters are quite important in Final Fantasy games, if not directly blood-related, at least by physical traits, race, nationality, personal history, social status or some other aspect. Lots of times characters linked by these things have to face their look-alikes'/predecessors' decisions and methods. Kuja and Zidane were something of "brothers." The issue of Garnet and her adoptive mother. There is the FF12 thing with Basch and his twin, also Vaan and his older brother (sort of?). Also the little kid and his creepy brother the major villain, whose names I can't remember in FF12. FF4, with Cecil being a Lunarian. Yuna and her father, Tidus and his father in FF10, refusing to repeat a pattern perpetuated by the previous generation. Tidus and Shuyin in FFX-2 were obviously supposed to be opposite reactions to human violence. SE loves to have protagonist and antagonist related in some way to help line up their philosophical points as opposed but related. At least I think so.

I don't know what I think about the enemies being blood relatives of the protagonist though. I think at least some of them are not, and for some reason, I think the main ones won't be, but maybe some relatives/close aquaintances are dragged into the enemy's ranks? That's pretty common, with Kain in FF4, Seifer in FF8, Garland in FF1, Kuja of FF9, etc. Seems like the closely related one is usually a pawn. Well, actually, most SE antagonists are pawns, but that's okay...

I don't have any basis for it, but I also don't think the girl was engaged to him, or at least I don't think she is attacking him for a mundane reason like that. I don't think it suits Square's style to make a powerful enemy an enemy over something like that. Possible though. I don't see why not...

[Terros]

I agree with blank chocobo on this.

@ Maiya: no we don't know we haven't been told what it does, every thing we have is speculations. Srry.

[Rade]

Having the protagonist and the antagonist related in someway generally makes the conflict all the more greater and conflicted in the mind of the protagonist; it makes things more personal. It's also the reason why the protagonist and his/her group are out trying to stop the antagonist in the first place.

Let's not forget though that Versus is supposed to be breaking away from the traditional rules of good and evil. Could be that V and Veruko were friends once upon a time, maybe lovers, but they're from two opposing sides of a war. Both are good to their side's eyes, and evil to the opposing side, it's all a matter of opinion really. Maybe both V and Veruko are good people, just trying to protect their own people, but to the opposing side they're the enemy, and so they're automatically labelled as bad. But there are some things that are evil, but are justified as being something good, such as the killing of innocent people in the name of a god.

Maybe Versus is a modern reimagining of Romeo and Juliet? Or at least has some of those themes.

[Terros]

I think this is what lies at the heart of the game:

The prince must deal with both internal and external conflicts.

Internal:
In his mind
In his home
In his kingdom
In his personal and public life
The people around him

External:
The outside world
The Heretic Order

[Rade]

Yeah, I think it will deal with some of the realistic issues that would come with being a hero.

The weight of the responsibility; having to deal with it even though it might not be what he wants, his duty to protect his people; having to put them before himself, and possibly meeting someone he might fall in love with, only to find that she is the enemy, and then having to decide what's more important, his love for her, or his duty to his people? It may also deal with how people treat him, either positively or negatively; having the adoration of the public but hostility from people who were once close to him but he had to push away for the sake of the people.

[Terros]

Ah, a lot of the same issues which befell Hamlet, what Nomura said is starting to become clearer.

[Rade]

Really? I'm not as familiar with Hamlet as I am with some of Shakespeare's other stuff. I'll have to read up on it :)

[BlankChocobo]

Having the protagonist and the antagonist related in someway generally makes the conflict all the more greater and conflicted in the mind of the protagonist; it makes things more personal. It's also the reason why the protagonist and his/her group are out trying to stop the antagonist in the first place.

Let's not forget though that Versus is supposed to be breaking away from the traditional rules of good and evil. Could be that V and Veruko were friends once upon a time, maybe lovers, but they're from two opposing sides of a war. Both are good to their side's eyes, and evil to the opposing side, it's all a matter of opinion really. Maybe both V and Veruko are good people, just trying to protect their own people, but to the opposing side they're the enemy, and so they're automatically labelled as bad. But there are some things that are evil, but are justified as being something good, such as the killing of innocent people in the name of a god.

Maybe Versus is a modern reimagining of Romeo and Juliet? Or at least has some of those themes.

Haha, I hope it's not Romeo and Juliet. I hate Shakespeare, as a general policy. I think the once upon a time friends thing sounds pretty appealing though. I can really see that as an SE storyline. Very gritty and painful.

I think making the characters related in some way is sometimes a tool for depicting mental conflict. You often have two different philosophies, one advocating peace and faith in mankind and the other advocating violence and seizing control of a situation. By having the two opposed characters reflect each other in some way, you can bring the two ideas they personify together to clash as what the audience can reasonably imagine to be two opposite reactions to the same problem.

I think Rage might be on the right track with the responsibility that falls on a hero and such. ^^

[Terros]

Well for example Hamlet had girl-friend who he later thought was betraying him. Though it was really Hamlet himself who had the problem.

[Naunen]

Who knows? It could be as deep as Final Fantasy Tactics where Ramza and Delita (brotherly friends) have to fight each other in order to see who emerges correct with the church covering Ramza's side of the story. Ramza grew up a fine gentleman living the Beoulve way while the other "Beoulves" thought him to be the heretic and he struggled against the church's unethical ways trying to clear his name and expose the church's purposes and rescue his sister who was part of the church. If I remember, Tactics had wars within one royal family. I highly doubt the girl and the main character are family-related but it could be a kingdom kind of struggle or as aforementioned survival of the fittest.

Meh, too many spoiler tags.

[BlankChocobo]

Who knows? It could be as deep as Final Fantasy Tactics where Ramza and Delita (brotherly friends) have to fight each other in order to see who emerges correct with the church covering Ramza's side of the story. Ramza grew up a fine gentleman living the Beoulve way while the other "Beoulves" thought him to be the heretic and he struggled against the church's unethical ways trying to clear his name and expose the church's purposes and rescue his sister who was part of the church. If I remember, Tactics had wars within one royal family. I highly doubt the girl and the main character are family-related but it could be a kingdom kind of struggle or as aforementioned survival of the fittest.

Meh, too many spoiler tags.

Oh, I totally forgot about Tactics. I never got to play it all the way through. Lion Wars is next on my to-play list for PSP. >.<; Must get to it... Good job thinking that one up. ^^

[Naunen]

Or it could be a thing similar to Agito XIII from what my aunt read. Crystal-bearing kingdoms who are struggling to overcome some kind of negative force within their own domains and to overcome it, they need more power so they attack the other Crystal-bearing kingdoms to seize the Crystals. O.o Related to some kind of myth my aunt remembered. I dunno what but she mentioned something similar was in Yu Yu Hakusho (which I don't know about) about the guardians of the four corners of the world. :blink:

o.o There'd be lots of conspiracies if this is so considering how there's only one Crystal left and we don't know what happened to the others.

[BlankChocobo]

Or it could be a thing similar to Agito XIII from what my aunt read. Crystal-bearing kingdoms who are struggling to overcome some kind of negative force within their own domains and to overcome it, they need more power so they attack the other Crystal-bearing kingdoms to seize the Crystals. O.o Related to some kind of myth my aunt remembered. I dunno what but she mentioned something similar was in Yu Yu Hakusho (which I don't know about) about the guardians of the four corners of the world. :blink:

o.o There'd be lots of conspiracies if this is so considering how there's only one Crystal left and we don't know what happened to the others.

I think the myth your grandmother was talking about may be the borrowed myth of Suzaku, Seiryu, Genbu and Byakko? That's the only four guardian myth I know in Yu Yu Hakusho, but I don't know the actual story. They just come up in 324956234875632489765234 anime and manga... I don't have any more information on it though T_T

[Naunen]

Ahh, I see. That's the myth she spoke of.

[James Dean]

Ah, a lot of the same issues which befell Hamlet, what Nomura said is starting to become clearer.

Agreed. That's where I'm drawing my conclusions from.

[pupucachi]

Engage? Don't think so. I think the girl is his friend in the beginning, but for some reasons, she becomes the enemy. And like Nomura said, there won't be love in Vs XIII

[Naunen]

Nomura did say that?

[BlankChocobo]

Nomura did say that?

I'm pretty sure I've something like this too, but I have no specific sources to point to. ^^; I think it would make sense though that love wouldn't be a big point.

[Naunen]

That'd be great! Dunno how sick I am seeing lovey-dovey themes. >.>

[BlankChocobo]

That'd be great! Dunno how sick I am seeing lovey-dovey themes. >.>

Hahaha... me too, a little. Although I actually liked FFX and FFX-2 (._.); I think it'll be a nice change to have a colder story. Give some other ideas a chance to play out as a main focus.

[Naunen]

I wonder how real the emotions can get and the drama. IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY!!!!!

[BlankChocobo]

I wonder how real the emotions can get and the drama. IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY!!!!!

What is this conspiracy you speak of!? I have seen you talk about it twice now! D:

I bet they really go for the evil dark and negative, but also make it seem a bit inevitable. The protagonist doesn't seem particularly surprised by all his(I think they are his based on the clothes ^^;) guards dead all over the place on the steps or the invading soldiers. I think he probably knew this was coming for a while.

[Naunen]

I was thinking it could involve loads of conspiring antagonists. I'm not sure yet but since the whole meeting of black-suited people I've been yelling that; on here and in real life. :D

[BlankChocobo]

I was thinking it could involve loads of conspiring antagonists. I'm not sure yet but since the whole meeting of black-suited people I've been yelling that; on here and in real life. :D

Oooo... I totally forgot about them. So many good ideas, Naunen. >.< I'm going to be disappointed with the real story if I keep listening to people's theories.

Conspiring antagonists, huh...? Trying to think if I can recall anything from the Dengeki article, but it was mostly just game dynamics analysis and stuff. =.=; Kanae certainly seemed to agree with you. She's always talking about the mafia and apparent power relationships in her description of the new trailer.

[Naunen]

Though we can only wonder if they are conspiring something. It could be an important meeting. Say, world peace important. :blink:

[BlankChocobo]

Though we can only wonder if they are conspiring something. It could be an important meeting. Say, world peace important. :blink:

Considering she compared it to a meeting of the mafia and contrasted it to a meeting of a senate, and described all the members as looking like mafia members, I'm not thinking this is a peaceful meeting. XD

[Naunen]

xD Hmmm... Maybe similar to meetings in FF Tactics. :blink: They shanked an imitation of Thundergod Cid at a meeting in order to fool the public about something going down. They always did conspire. Those antagonists in FF Tactics.

[pupucachi]

Even if u say that, I still hope that there will be love in this game.... or friendship thing. If not, I'll be crazy X____x. About the meeting, maybe it is the same with the meeting in FFXII

[pupucachi]

Mafia? O.o

[Naunen]

I still don't know who the Senate in FFXII are. @.@

[BlankChocobo]

I still don't know who the Senate in FFXII are. @.@

The senators in Archadia, who Vayne has arrested, I believe?

Kanae said she got a completely different feel from FFXII's Senate, but that's just her impression, of course. She thought it felt more Shinra-like.

[Naunen]

Ahh... Shinra-like would be evil. I wonder how secret of a meeting it may have been and who or what they may have spoken of.

[pupucachi]

About the cold war, the crystal, the next king.... eh

[Maiya]

Nyeh... The engagement thing was something I made up on the spot and something I doubt will happen, but hey I made it up. Lol, and it's something to work on I guess, I'm giving up altogether on what the prince's and Veruko's relationship is. Well, about the mafia like group... Seems like there are about four different teams in this game so far to me. The mafia like group, the prince and co, the robed person, and Veruko. I think that some may be working together, but I sort of wonder what all there motives are.

As for the mafia like group, man, I wish there was a screenshot of them or something to work on what kind of appearance they give. From what I read, I thought they work as sort of a senate or group in the government that help cancel out the power of the prince if needed kind of like today. Though, now I'm thinking that they may just totally be working against the prince.

[Naunen]

o.o Maybe someone's trying to dethrone him!!! Drakengard-style!!

[Maiya]

Haha! Well, they were talking about the next prince or something on the radio... Maybe he's getting kicked from power?

[BlankChocobo]

Nyeh... The engagement thing was something I made up on the spot and something I doubt will happen, but hey I made it up. Lol, and it's something to work on I guess, I'm giving up altogether on what the prince's and Veruko's relationship is. Well, about the mafia like group... Seems like there are about four different teams in this game so far to me. The mafia like group, the prince and co, the robed person, and Veruko. I think that some may be working together, but I sort of wonder what all there motives are.

As for the mafia like group, man, I wish there was a screenshot of them or something to work on what kind of appearance they give. From what I read, I thought they work as sort of a senate or group in the government that help cancel out the power of the prince if needed kind of like today. Though, now I'm thinking that they may just totally be working against the prince.

Let's not forget whoever the soldiers who storm the palace stairs belong to. I don't think we can establish who they are associated with, if they're even associated with one of the four parties you mentioned.

[Maiya]

Oh right, the soldiers. Forgot about them. Yeah... No real informations or footage on who they belong to if they belong to any party at all. I guessed that they were on the side of the robed figure since he ambushed the prince inside the throne room after the prince went back inside. Sort of a crappy distraction though if the prince just left them out there though.

[BlankChocobo]

Oh right, the soldiers. Forgot about them. Yeah... No real informations or footage on who they belong to if they belong to any party at all. I guessed that they were on the side of the robed figure since he ambushed the prince inside the throne room after the prince went back inside. Sort of a crappy distraction though if the prince just left them out there though.

Hahahaha... the soldiers are like the only thing we Americans have actually seen with our own eyes XD

I have no idea who they belong to, though, other than most likely being that good old "heretic order." Who knows where the other parties fall in the "heretic order"/"lone kingdom" dichotomy, though?

Square... please release new trailers soon. Pleeeeease T_T

[Maiya]

Ughhh... Just wait another whole year Blank. We'll get another trailer... From TGS2007.... LOL, they would do it too. Not the trailers that are coming out now at jump festa, but old trailers. Yeesh... Dangit Square, I love you and will always be loyal to you, but why must you torture all of your fans?

Say... What is the heretic order?

[BlankChocobo]

Ughhh... Just wait another whole year Blank. We'll get another trailer... From TGS2007.... LOL, they would do it too. Not the trailers that are coming out now at jump festa, but old trailers. Yeesh... Dangit Square, I love you and will always be loyal to you, but why must you torture all of your fans?

Say... What is the heretic order?

First trailer released, the writing spaced into it reads in full:

"An isolated nation protected by an ancient line of kings.
A modern civilization alive with
the Crystal's songs of swords and sorcery."
"A lone kingdom fighting to forestall
the outer world from imposing its heretic order.
The struggle for the final Crystal is
merely a prologue to the chronicles of a new era."

That heretic order. We don't have more information than that, really...

[Maiya]

Ohhhh... So wait... Now, that I read that again. The game after all the fighting for the crystal is done and over with? It's not the end? Geh... Wish we had more info on the heretic order.

[Naunen]

Ughhh... Just wait another whole year Blank. We'll get another trailer... From TGS2007.... LOL, they would do it too. Not the trailers that are coming out now at jump festa, but old trailers. Yeesh... Dangit Square, I love you and will always be loyal to you, but why must you torture all of your fans?

Say... What is the heretic order?

----It's said that war is all the outer world (anywhere outside of the city) ever wants and that they will never advance except in weaponry. In human nature, it's heresy to not advance. :blink:

[BlankChocobo]

Ohhhh... So wait... Now, that I read that again. The game after all the fighting for the crystal is done and over with? It's not the end? Geh... Wish we had more info on the heretic order.

I'm not sure.... now that I think about it, the order I give everything doesn't make entire sense. I originally thought that the soldier fight must be near the beginning of the game, but I think it's already been declared in an interview that the protagonist won't START OUT with powers like that, therefore it can't be the beginning, yeah? =.=;

If that was the struggle it's talking about, though, that could easily be the beginning, with a greater problem emerging on the protagonist's travels?

Now I'm REALLY pushing the theories though. Again, no proof.

Whoever said that war is all the outer world wants? o.o I have not heard this.

[Naunen]

Dunno. I read that in a biased review based on the observation of the soldiers in crappy armour and modern weapons.

[BlankChocobo]

Dunno. I read that in a biased review based on the observation of the soldiers in crappy armour and modern weapons.

Ohhh... I took that to be because the Crystal has allowed the protagonist's kingdom to advance rapidly, while everybody else was stuck screwing around without the extra help. I don't think the Crystal is necessarily a weapon of war. I think it helps all around somehow, not that I have a clue how.

600th post? XD Daaaamn.....

[Naunen]

I wonder about the Crystal now.

[Maiya]

Well... It did say that the prince wouldn't start out with powers like that. And in the trailer he has all those powers and is protecting the crystal. And that's not even the beginning supposedly the beginning is when the battle for the crystal is over... Sounds like a looooong game.

Well, yeah I remember the interview about other countries advancing in only weaponry and military. I guess... The prince is advancing everything moderately and equally. Doesn't look like he needs to advance military wise seeing as he beat all those soldiers up even though they're supposedly advance in weaponry.

So, everyone is still advancing one way or another. Just more or less in some areas. While the prince is doing something that is outdoing all of the others. Though, I could imagine some areas not advancing at all causing some turmoil.

[BlankChocobo]

Well... It did say that the prince wouldn't start out with powers like that. And in the trailer he has all those powers and is protecting the crystal. And that's not even the beginning supposedly the beginning is when the battle for the crystal is over... Sounds like a looooong game.

Well, yeah I remember the interview about other countries advancing in only weaponry and military. I guess... The prince is advancing everything moderately and equally. Doesn't look like he needs to advance military wise seeing as he beat all those soldiers up even though they're supposedly advance in weaponry.

So, everyone is still advancing one way or another. Just more or less in some areas. While the prince is doing something that is outdoing all of the others. Though, I could imagine some areas not advancing at all causing some turmoil.

Ohhh... I totally missed this interview. I want to read it now. T_T

And if you have kickass magic crystal powers like he does, what would you really need modern weaponry for? Maybe the crystal is mostly a military weapon, then...

Also, I may have my game events totally out of order =.=;

[Naunen]

Who knows? Maybe someone wiped out his powers. Like in Chaos Legion where the main guy starts out with the most ultimate Legion and the bad guy broke that crest after the first boss. If I remember, it was only a tutorial stage and still held importance to the story. It could be like that.

[BlankChocobo]

Who knows? Maybe someone wiped out his powers. Like in Chaos Legion where the main guy starts out with the most ultimate Legion and the bad guy broke that crest after the first boss. If I remember, it was only a tutorial stage and still held importance to the story. It could be like that.

This is possible... very possible? Maybe very possible... maybe just possible... anyway.

If you lose your powers when you lose association with the crystal somehow, that might make sense. I don't know how to explain how white-hooded man and the "veruko" girl are associated with the crystal though.

[Naunen]

Maybe the Crystal's been taken in the beginning. :blink: I can't imagine the guy taking around the Crystal unless he's able to do it a la Warrior of Light-style which is just wear it as a necklace.

[Maiya]

This is possible... very possible? Maybe very possible... maybe just possible... anyway.

If you lose your powers when you lose association with the crystal somehow, that might make sense. I don't know how to explain how white-hooded man and the "veruko" girl are associated with the crystal though.

I don't think you lose your powers when you lose the crystal or anything. Because I mean well, Veruko and robed guy have powers just like the prince. And the prince had the last crystal, so they couldn't have crystals to be associated with. I think the crystal works more on the civilizations and tech than actual powers like the powers used by the prince or Veruko.

[Naunen]

It could be that the powers stand as long as the Crystal isn't destroyed. Who knows? Now I wanna see the Crystal.

[BlankChocobo]

It could be that the powers stand as long as the Crystal isn't destroyed. Who knows? Now I wanna see the Crystal.

I do believe the crystal is in the giant black column behind the throne in the first trailer released. I thought I read that somewhere it had been confirmed to be housed there... but maybe it was just confirmed to be housed in the palace... in any case, that's not what the crystal looks like, I don't believe. I have a feeling you can't carry it around on a string around your neck though >.>;

And I have no idea where the hooded man and girl get their powers. Maybe it doesn't have anything to do with the Crystal at all, and the royal line just guards the crystal because they HAVE the powers and can therefore keep control of the crystal, which provides other magical benefits.

[Maiya]

I do believe the crystal is in the giant black column behind the throne in the first trailer released. I thought I read that somewhere it had been confirmed to be housed there... but maybe it was just confirmed to be housed in the palace... in any case, that's not what the crystal looks like, I don't believe. I have a feeling you can't carry it around on a string around your neck though >.>;

And I have no idea where the hooded man and girl get their powers. Maybe it doesn't have anything to do with the Crystal at all, and the royal line just guards the crystal because they HAVE the powers and can therefore keep control of the crystal, which provides other magical benefits.

Yeah, it is said the crystal is inside of the big pillar behind the throne. What could be kept inside a big pillar like that I have no idea. When I look at the pillar... I think 'Big shiny, sparkly blue crystal rock that floats'... It's just what I'm used to thinking whenever a crystal in a game is involved.... Geh.

Yeah, I think it's the royal blood that gives them powers, too. I believe the crystals are used for other purposes such as advancing civilization.

[Naunen]

I find it interesting that when he wields a weapon, the air seems to shatter and look like droplets of water. Then there's water in the throne room. It could be that his power comes from the Crystal. Dunno about the others. Maybe some group or organisation have them captive and not destroyed or something. :blink: Element of water for the last Crystal perhaps.

[Maiya]

I find it interesting that when he wields a weapon, the air seems to shatter and look like droplets of water. Then there's water in the throne room. It could be that his power comes from the Crystal. Dunno about the others. Maybe some group or organisation have them captive and not destroyed or something. :blink:

Yeah, I always thought they just did that to make it look pretty. You know? Like how when Sephiroth and Cloud's swords clash, there are sparkly... streams? And stuff which totally kills the fighting in a sense, but it's just there for looks I assume.

As for the water in the throne room... Maybe a toilet flooded and he's too lazy to clean up? But all joking aside, I thought that was also for looks. Maybe it's due to the crystal. Might need a dampish environment?

Well... Maybe, I suppose the last crystal doesn't mean it has to be the last one that EXIST or something.

[BlankChocobo]

I find it interesting that when he wields a weapon, the air seems to shatter and look like droplets of water. Then there's water in the throne room. It could be that his power comes from the Crystal. Dunno about the others. Maybe some group or organisation have them captive and not destroyed or something. :blink:


I think I read somewhere that this is the last Crystal in existence in the Versus universe.

And magic makes amazing sounds in the Versus trailers... somewhere between shattering glass and divine bells. I always thought powerful magic should sound like that ^^

I was also wondering what the water in the throne room is for... I don't think they had a plumbing leak >.>; Hahahahaha Maiya, I totally posted before I read your post XD

[Naunen]

I wonder what happened to the others.

[Maiya]

I think I read somewhere that this is the last Crystal in existence in the Versus universe.

And magic makes amazing sounds in the Versus trailers... somewhere between shattering glass and divine bells. I always thought powerful magic should sound like that ^^

I was also wondering what the water in the throne room is for... I don't think they had a plumbing leak >.>; Hahahahaha Maiya, I totally posted before I read your post XD

Pfft. Yeah, I know, just read your post. GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE!!! Even if it is crack like plumbing problems.

So far, the sounds in Versus sound good. Except for when he breaks the guys neck... I don't know what it sounds like when a neck is broken, but it sounded weird.

I wonder what happened to the others.

That's the thing everyone seems to be stuck on at the moment. We have no idea what happened to the other crystals or other royal members that protected the other crystals if there were any guardians.

[Naunen]

Heh heh, he snapped someone's neck. Awesome move. >.>; I wanna see him punch someone though.

[Maiya]

Heh heh, he snapped someone's neck. Awesome move. >.>; I wanna see him punch someone though.

Aha! I wanna see him punch Shotgun Guy! Yeah, loved when he snapped the guys neck. Too bad that's basically all the hand-to-hand action we got to see. Well, more of foot-to-neck, but same thing.^_^

[Naunen]

Argh... I should add more to my sig.

[BlankChocobo]

Aha! I wanna see him punch Shotgun Guy! Yeah, loved when he snapped the guys neck. Too bad that's basically all the hand-to-hand action we got to see. Well, more of foot-to-neck, but same thing.^_^

Why do you want to see him punch Shotgun Guy? Poor Shotgun Guy has already gotten manhandled by Suit Man, hasn't he? I think that's probably revenge-mauling for grabbing the protagonist XD At least he seems to have a somewhat healthy relationship with his servants(?).

[Naunen]

Damn, now I wanna see these headlocks.

[Maiya]

Why do you want to see him punch Shotgun Guy? Poor Shotgun Guy has already gotten manhandled by Suit Man, hasn't he? I think that's probably revenge-mauling for grabbing the protagonist XD At least he seems to have a somewhat healthy relationship with his servants(?).

Yeah, I wanna see him punch Shotgun Guy for the headlock. xD Servants? More like, guys who want to hang out with him just to bug the hell out of him. It happens all the time... xD

Damn, now I wanna see these headlocks.

-pats on shoulder- You're not alone on that.

[BlankChocobo]

Yeah, I wanna see him punch Shotgun Guy for the headlock. xD Servants? More like, guys who want to hang out with him just to bug the hell out of him. It happens all the time... xD



-pats on shoulder- You're not alone on that.

haha.

Naunen stop bleeding topics XD You're talking about the servants in the other thread now. Just kidding, bleed away~

I took them to be servants because they seem to be escorting him in kanae's description of the JF trailer.

[Maiya]

Well, I think the glasses guy who drives the car was more of a servant... Is there another word for servant that actually sounds right?!?!

And well, this is about the versus main character and plot/story... So, I think all of his topic bleeding falls into this thread. Lol.

[BlankChocobo]

Well, I think the glasses guy who drives the car was more of a servant... Is there another word for servant that actually sounds right?!?!

And well, this is about the versus main character and plot/story... So, I think all of his topic bleeding falls into this thread. Lol.

Retainer sounds better to me... sort of seems to encompass both servant and bodyguard aspects. Maybe I'll start calling them his retainers. Oops, somewhere in these posts, I mixed up Suit Man and Big Guy, I think... or maybe I didn't say it, but I was thinking that it was Suit Man who put Shotgun Man in a headlock, but it was actually Big Guy.... I think... =.=; *goes back to review her own translation*

[Maiya]

Haha... Another word besides retainer? I think of the thing that you put in your mouth after you remove your braces. Urg...

Why not call them Glasses Guy and Big Foot?

[Naunen]

o.o I wonder if the main guy knew these guys to begin with.

[Maiya]

This is supposed to be somewhat inbetween the game. Since it looks like he's collected all of the swords. I figure he met them along the way or something. Like how you pick up characters throughout the game.

[BlankChocobo]

o.o I wonder if the main guy knew these guys to begin with.

I would assume from the description that he's known them for a while... unless he somehow picked them up on his travels, but he's watching a building burn with them, which I take to be the last scene before he starts out on whatever journey he's taking with at least Shotgun Man, and probably the others(maybe?).

Oh, Maiya, you beat me to posting again. XD I think the scenes occur at different times, so part of the trailer may be much much earlier than other parts.

[Naunen]

o.o I can't wait till more info's been let out.

[Maiya]

I would assume from the description that he's known them for a while... unless he somehow picked them up on his travels, but he's watching a building burn with them, which I take to be the last scene before he starts out on whatever journey he's taking with at least Shotgun Man, and probably the others(maybe?).

Oh, Maiya, you beat me to posting again. XD I think the scenes occur at different times, so part of the trailer may be much much earlier than other parts.

Wait... The building was burning? I remember that smoke was coming from it, but I didn't know it meant the building was burning. Just thought it had a smokestack (SP?) or something. Pfft... A fireplace...

Aha, didn't mean to! Honestly! Hmmm... Perhaps they did happen at different times... SE does do that after all..,

o.o I can't wait till more info's been let out.

When do you think that'll be? Aside from reviews?

[BlankChocobo]

Wait... The building was burning? I remember that smoke was coming from it, but I didn't know it meant the building was burning. Just thought it had a smokestack (SP?) or something. Pfft... A fireplace...

Aha, didn't mean to! Honestly! Hmmm... Perhaps they did happen at different times... SE does do that after all..,



When do you think that'll be? Aside from reviews?
I have no idea when there will be new info. There is hope for a New Years' Blessing from Our Lords, the Almighty and All Merciful Square - Enix Incorporated, but we cannot demand from Our Lords. It's all a part of their grand design, you see. It's... some kind of test..... I'm sure of it! >_<

I interpreted it to mean the building was burning, because the fire was coming from within the building, so I didn't think it could be a smokestack. Possible that it was a fireplace, but in my experience, fireplaces don't spew smoke out the windows that's extremely visible from outside.

[pupucachi]

Do you think that the soliders take orders from the "mafia group"?

[BlankChocobo]

Do you think that the soliders take orders from the "mafia group"?

I was sort of thinking so, but I have absolutely no basis for it, other than the thought that mafia meeting = evil planning = soldiers slaughtering palace guards and coming to seize crystal?

[Maiya]

I have no idea when there will be new info. There is hope for a New Years' Blessing from Our Lords, the Almighty and All Merciful Square - Enix Incorporated, but we cannot demand from Our Lords. It's all a part of their grand design, you see. It's... some kind of test..... I'm sure of it! >_<

I interpreted it to mean the building was burning, because the fire was coming from within the building, so I didn't think it could be a smokestack. Possible that it was a fireplace, but in my experience, fireplaces don't spew smoke out the windows that's extremely visible from outside.

UGGGGHHHH!!! Damn you Square!!! But... I guess beggars cannot be choosers. They did, afterall, supply us with the beautiful piece that is still being created, Final Fantasy XIII Versus. -sighs-

Oh, god. Let's pray they give us something after New Years. A release of the trailers would be nice...

Ahahaha, I wonder who was responsible for the burning building. At first, when I read your translation, I believed that Veruko did it even though the prince and co were watching. But now it seems that they were probably responsible rather than it being Veruko's fault.

Do you think that the soliders take orders from the "mafia group"?

Well, I'm not sure... They would be working for Veruko, the mafia group, or even the robed guy. There's just too little info...

[Naunen]

Maybe some other outer world people were hired by that mafia-like group. Seems kinda like a sneaky thing to do if so but not impossible.

[BlankChocobo]

UGGGGHHHH!!! Damn you Square!!! But... I guess beggars cannot be choosers. They did, afterall, supply us with the beautiful piece that is still being created, Final Fantasy XIII Versus. -sighs-

Oh, god. Let's pray they give us something after New Years. A release of the trailers would be nice...

Ahahaha, I wonder who was responsible for the burning building. At first, when I read your translation, I believed that Veruko did it even though the prince and co were watching. But now it seems that they were probably responsible rather than it being Veruko's fault.


Well, I'm not sure... They would be working for Veruko, the mafia group, or even the robed guy. There's just too little info...

I thought that the protagonist and his crew were fleeing from the destruction, which included the attack on the palace and that building, and that burning building belonged to them/was associated with them somehow. This is also why I thought he started out his journey with his retainer people, but I don't really know.

Maybe some other outer world people were hired by that mafia-like group. Seems kinda like a sneaky thing to do if so but not impossible.

Oh... this is quite possible, and would mean that the mafia-people are part of the inside, although what does that do to our "heretic order" from the outside quote?

[Maiya]

True... They could've hired people from the outside... Or used their own men? But wouldn't they know that they wouldn't stand a chance against the prince...? Seeing as it's about halfway through the game?

Why would they send useless soldiers to stand up against the prince that they know will beat them without any effort?

[pupucachi]

They seem evil...

[Maiya]

They seem evil...

The mafia group? Well, I just thought they were just... A group... Talking... About what kind of coffee they were going to have...

No, no. Just kidding, anyway, I didn't/don't think they're necessarily evil. We still don't know whether they sent the soldiers or not. But when we focus on the mafia like group and speculate, it seems in a sense that they are evil.

Though, I think we have to remember that Veruko or the robed guy could've sent the soldiers and could all be behind this as well.

[BlankChocobo]

They seem evil...

Evil, but organized evil. They appear to have a leader, it seems... and at least do a lot of discussing. I don't think we have anything that definitively tells us that they're evil though.

[pupucachi]

Snep, now it's getting more and more complex about this T___T

[Maiya]

Evil, but organized evil. They appear to have a leader, it seems... and at least do a lot of discussing. I don't think we have anything that definitively tells us that they're evil though.

Aha... Finally, some organized evil. Most of the time it seems that evil is always so very unorganized. Watch, they always discuss and never get anything done. That'd be a pity.

Yeah, we're all just speculating on whether or not they're good or bad. Heck, I still think that they're on the prince's side. I mean they're dressed like the dead guys on the prince's floor right? So, I assumed that they are working for the prince or something along the lines. Like a senate or house of reps that restrict the prince's powers sort of like today how they restrict the presidents power.

[BlankChocobo]

Yeah, I agree with Maiya.. it's entirely possible that the mafia dudes aren't evil... maybe they're just very serious and practical about affairs of power and politics to the point of appearing cold-blooded. They might not necessarily be like Muhahaha We Shall Rule Teh Worldz. @_@

They're dressed in black business suits, not the same outfits as the prince.

[Maiya]

Yeah, I agree with Maiya.. it's entirely possible that the mafia dudes aren't evil... maybe they're just very serious and practical about affairs of power and politics to the point of appearing cold-blooded. They might not necessarily be like Muhahaha We Shall Rule Teh Worldz. @_@

They're dressed in black business suits, not the same outfits as the prince.

Well, not like the prince, but the guys who were laying dead on the prince's floor. Who were also wearing business suits. Heck, in this game the prince could be the evil one. Though, due to the whole having his floor getting destroyed and lights getting shot out, I don;t really care. I feel bad for the poor man and his stairs.

How sad. xD I don't know, I think the robed figure and Veruko are more of the bad people in this story. Then again, the quote of there is no such thing as good and evil keeps playing in my head...

[BlankChocobo]

Well, not like the prince, but the guys who were laying dead on the prince's floor. Who were also wearing business suits. Heck, in this game the prince could be the evil one. Though, due to the whole having his floor getting destroyed and lights getting shot out, I don;t really care. I feel bad for the poor man and his stairs.

How sad. xD I don't know, I think the robed figure and Veruko are more of the bad people in this story. Then again, the quote of there is no such thing as good and evil keeps playing in my head...


Holy crap. Are they actually wearing suits!? I totally thought they were wearing the same kind of black outfit as the protagonist... now I have to rewatch the trailer 1000 times! XD

That makes me think all sorts of different things... I can't actually tell if they're suits or not, though >.<;

[Maiya]

Holy crap. Are they actually wearing suits!? I totally thought they were wearing the same kind of black outfit as the protagonist... now I have to rewatch the trailer 1000 times! XD

That makes me think all sorts of different things... I can't actually tell if they're suits or not, though >.<;

Aha! Watch it in slow motion or something. That'll help -thumbs up- Well, I looked at it and I thought they looked like suits. xD

Oh, the possibilities now...

Off topic I guess, but ummm, Blank, how is it you know how to translate so well?

[BlankChocobo]

Aha! Watch it in slow motion or something. That'll help -thumbs up- Well, I looked at it and I thought they looked like suits. xD

Oh, the possibilities now...

Off topic I guess, but ummm, Blank, how is it you know how to translate so well?

I translated a 200 page manga, the topic of which I will not discuss. XD Unfortunately, I do believe the scanlation has been distributed with this name stamped on it, though. Oh well. >_>; I also obsess when I translate, which helps smooth everything out.

I'm looking at it and they do seem to be wearing suits... so weird o.O I'm hoping for new screenshots from SE for New Years'. Anything would do.....

[Maiya]

I translated a 200 page manga, the topic of which I will not discuss. XD Unfortunately, I do believe the scanlation has been distributed with this name stamped on it, though. Oh well. >_>; I also obsess when I translate, which helps smooth everything out.

I'm looking at it and they do seem to be wearing suits... so weird o.O I'm hoping for new screenshots from SE for New Years'. Anything would do.....

Oh, so you translate other things too? Haha, they are wearing suits! That's what makes me assume that they are on the princes side. Well, screenshots are all good and well, but that would just kill us to see the actual trailer. Though a pic of the new characters would be oh so much better.

By the way, a bit more off topicness, when do you plan on logging out? Seeing as Naunen ditched us xD And it's late over here, and I don't like ditching people without making it known, though I doubt it's common for people to do that in forums.

[BlankChocobo]

Oh, so you translate other things too? Haha, they are wearing suits! That's what makes me assume that they are on the princes side. Well, screenshots are all good and well, but that would just kill us to see the actual trailer. Though a pic of the new characters would be oh so much better.

By the way, a bit more off topicness, when do you plan on logging out? Seeing as Naunen ditched us xD And it's late over here, and I don't like ditching people without making it known, though I doubt it's common for people to do that in forums.

oh... I'm ready to go ^^; I'm just gunna look at your other reply. Let's make it our last soon ^^;

[Maiya]

Alright, I'm off! Exhausted all my ideas!

[Thimien]

some reason i can see a connection with the Holly Caracter Gilgamesh... all the swords... equiping them must be crasy lol Wouldnt be suprised if your gona be able to obtain legendery swords like Xcalibor, and sometimes when i look closely i see a sword that reminds me of Clouds sword in FF7 advent Children.

[Misschoco]

Haha, they are wearing suits! That's what makes me assume that they are on the princes side.
it could be possible that their the ones delegating the peace treaty mentioned when the subject of war in this game is mentioned :rolleyes:

[Maiya]

The ones dead on the stairs or the ones who are talking the the meeting room? It sucks if the ones on the stairs were the ones who were supposed to delegate the peace treaty. Gunned down =_=

[BlankChocobo]

The ones dead on the stairs or the ones who are talking the the meeting room? It sucks if the ones on the stairs were the ones who were supposed to delegate the peace treaty. Gunned down =_=

Very possible, though. XD I was wondering if the ones dead on the stairs were the ones talking in the meeting room, but I don't think they are.

[Maiya]

Actually, it makes me wonder how they died. I guess they could have been shot down or something, but I think the stairs were all intact when he came out. And while they shot at the Prince, his stairs were torn to shreds. Weird. I would also expect them to be able to fight or something. Also, I don't understand why all the suit people were all dead on the stairs while the soldiers were below them? Wouldn't they have advanced in after they killed the suit men? Or perhaps have charged in while killing the men? It sort of doesn't make sense. But then again. this is final fantasy. I may just be over analyzing.

[BlankChocobo]

Actually, it makes me wonder how they died. I guess they could have been shot down or something, but I think the stairs were all intact when he came out. And while they shot at the Prince, his stairs were torn to shreds. Weird.

I was wondering about this too >_>; Maybe it was easier to shoot the dumb black suit guys cause they couldn't fight back?

Also, I don't understand why all the suit people were all dead on the stairs while the soldiers were below them? Wouldn't they have advanced in after they killed the suit men? Or perhaps have charged in while killing the men? It sort of doesn't make sense. But then again. this is final fantasy. I may just be over analyzing.

They're scared crapless of the protagonist. XD

No, really, I think the white-hooded dude sets up to ambush the protagonist while he's fighting the soldiers, so they're just a distraction/feeble attempt to draw him out and defeat him with the white-hooded guy in reserve @__@

[Misschoco]

Actually, it makes me wonder how they died. I guess they could have been shot down or something, but I think the stairs were all intact when he came out. And while they shot at the Prince, his stairs were torn to shreds. Weird. I would also expect them to be able to fight or something. Also, I don't understand why all the suit people were all dead on the stairs while the soldiers were below them? Wouldn't they have advanced in after they killed the suit men? Or perhaps have charged in while killing the men? It sort of doesn't make sense. But then again. this is final fantasy. I may just be over analyzing.
or maybe the dark suit guys were also in a leigence with the soilders??they may be similar to the dark suit guys but may not be them-the main character could have killed them then retreated back-then soon after the soldiers arrived realizing that a few men cant handle the main character-i mean the main character didnt show any emotion towards the bodies on the steps

[pupucachi]

Yeah, the dead men could have connection with the soliders and the robbed man. But I dont think the Prince killed them. The way he looked at the dead bodies outside the palace when he walked out... well he didnt kill them. But somehow I think that he knew that they had been killed. May be he doesn't like the them after all.

[BlankChocobo]

Yeah, the dead men could have connection with the soliders and the robbed man. But I dont think the Prince killed them. The way he looked at the dead bodies outside the palace when he walked out... well he didnt kill them. But somehow I think that he knew that they had been killed. May be he doesn't like the them after all.

I agree that the protagonist didn't kill them~ He kind of "notices" them when he first walks out. I don't think he would have if he had killed them himself.

Whether or not he knew for sure they were dead beforehand, I don't know, but he sure wasn't surprised to see them lying there.~

[pupucachi]

Of couse he didn't kill them. You think he is that bad :'(?

[BlankChocobo]

Of couse he didn't kill them. You think he is that bad :'(?

I don't think he's bad at all. :D I think we'll find Nomura is a bit of a liar with the "there is no good or evil" thing. FF games kind of demand that morality enters in. I think we'll end up with a protagonist who has to make hard choices, but we'll find his choices are morally justifiable in some way.~ I can't see an FF where there is simply no moral element.

There's never been one, and I wouldn't want one >___>; That would take away a lot of the emotional element too.

[Misschoco]

I agree that the protagonist didn't kill them~ He kind of "notices" them when he first walks out. I don't think he would have if he had killed them himself.

i guess that was one thing i missed-if he had killed them then i dont think he would have looked at them the way he did he sort of only just noticed them-it was a bit like 'who did this?'

[Cilvia]

KKguyzz, found a cool theme to discuss about- the ending. It has been promised to be very sad and hard for our hearts :P
okay, what do you think it can be?
i have a few theories:
1) The prince dies in the end ( the % of this opinion is very small, just because its too simple)
2) The prince dies because of traitor who,lets say,was his best friend- and this death will be really cruel,horrible and just shock.
3) Prince fails his mission,the people of his city die and city gets destroyed.
4) The villian becomes a friend of prince,and dies- the main character gets hes mind crushed,he gets really sad and miserable, and he loses a battle to someone another, who has killed that *good* villian. (IMO that's theory is a really good idea, thats why that says in the beginning- There is nothing good or bad-because there is no absolutely evil, and there is no absolutely good-everything can change and you never know when,who...)

[Misschoco]

4) The villian becomes a friend of prince,and dies- the main character gets hes mind crushed,he gets really sad and miserable, and he loses a battle to someone another, who has killed that *good* villian. (IMO that's theory is a really good idea, thats why that says in the beginning- There is nothing good or bad-because there is no absolutely evil, and there is no absolutely good-everything can change and you never know when,who...)
im putting my money onto the last theory-its seems realistic,plausible,and incorporates some complexity-him just dieing is blatantly simple-plus a tragic story should incorporate some irony caused by a change of direction i.e the 'versus' in the game title which can be translated from latin as a 'change in direction'

[BlankChocobo]

im putting my money onto the last theory-its seems realistic,plausible,and incorporates some complexity-him just dieing is blatantly simple-plus a tragic story should incorporate some irony caused by a change of direction i.e the 'versus' in the game title which can be translated from latin as a 'change in direction'

I won't put my money on it, but it could happen~

You people are so depressing >__>;

I don't think the main character can die. Actually I do think the main character can die, but I don't think Nomura can write a really tragic tragedy, where it actually ends terribly. Sadly, but not badly, I guess? Something good has to happen at the end. It's a video game. >_> If you win, you have to have accomplished something, so I say he can't fail whatever it is he's doing. I think that one is the most unlikely~ Even more than the protagonist dying at the end.

[Cilvia]

and what do you think we can cry on along 3 weeks after completed the game? :)

[BlankChocobo]

and what do you think we can cry on along 3 weeks after completed the game? :)


I think it was one week. XD I don't have tears enough for three weeks.

And... uh....

Prince is forced to kill his (non-defecting) best friend. It's more tragic when he's still your friend. XD

No, I don't know. I try to stay away from guessing endings because I like to be shocked~

And I don't want to compete with Nomura for making up the saddest ending. It will make the real one less sad >_<; I was so surprised by the end of FFX cause I just picked up the game and didn't know anything about it at the time~

[Naunen]

I choose other. Got my own speculations to think about. O_O Maybe write out too.

[Misschoco]

Prince is forced to kill his (non-defecting) best friend. It's more tragic when he's still your friend. XD


well the prince dieing is enough to get my tears flowing for months onwards-fangirlism

the enemy supress his friends mind and overwhelm it with-feelings of malice,rage,they remove his conscience,and overall he becomes a sadistic lunatic with all human emotions disintegrated into nothing...the original mind of his friend is no more-and his friend savagely attacks the protagonist and his comrades-the protagonist is grief stricken which causes his fighting to be a little phased-his friend is attacking him with all malice and in a desperate bid to defend himself and his comrades he ends up sticking one of his uber cool swords into his friend although the initial move was to deflect an attack and not produce an offense move the phased prince accidentally stabs his friend

i think i made the prince a bit to emotionally delicate-but thats far-fetched speculation

[Naunen]

Far-fetched indeed. O_o *thinks*

[Misschoco]

Far-fetched indeed. O_o *thinks*
far-fetched with a hint of realism-isnt that what fantasy is really about??

[Pixel]

far-fetched with a hint of realism-isnt that what fantasy is really about??

In my opinion yes, but someone will say no....

[Naunen]

I wonder how the theme of sleep will tie into that speculation.

[Cilvia]

hmm, lets say this
if i see prince dieing in the end- i won't cry.
If i see scene when prince cant do anything to save himself from death,he stands still, maybe,if it is traitor-friend fault, (for example-blond girl) watching him with tears and shouting something like-dont do this,please!- prince just standing cold staring at her, and then we see his awful death- much blood,cruelty and merciless- then i should cry.
Depends on how scene wil be itself.

[Misschoco]

hmm, lets say this
if i see prince dieing in the end- i won't cry.
If i see scene when prince cant do anything to save himself from death,he stands still, maybe,if it is traitor-friend fault, (for example-blond girl) watching him with tears and shouting something like-dont do this,please!- prince just standing cold staring at her, and then we see his awful death- much blood,cruelty and merciless- then i should cry.
Depends on how scene wil be itself.
prince just dieing-like i said before-blatantly simple-like some Disney film.

you've got to incorporate some irony,personal conflict,the likeliness that that tragedy could of been avoided,and an end with NO reconciliation whatsoever exchanged between characters and repressed-it sums up a composite tragic end which one cant comprehend-now thats what a good ending is.Exactly what you mentioned cilvia :rolleyes:

[Cilvia]

i just feel things like that ^_^
thanks for agreeing with me <3