Take your god and shove him

[Neal]

http://cdn2.libsyn.com/patcondell/045_-_Take_your_god_and_shove_him.mp3?nvb=2008102109305 3&nva=20081022093053&t=0e80916cdd8ad3413d7e3

Epic. I love this guy. :wtf:

http://patcondell.libsyn.com/

[Esagan]

Pat <3


http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/JesusBlewMeOnce/1224207984268.jpg

[Kitmitsu]

Pat Condell does actually seem to be a pretty level headed atheist who comes from a religious background. It only seems to be when people throw scriptures at him and tell him he's going to hell when he actually starts to take the piss.

[Esagan]

I think he's like a lot of us tbh, he just plain hates religon and what it represents, and especially what it has represented over the past centuries which is child abuse and wars.

[Neal]

I dont hate religion, I just hate when people try to push their beliefs onto someone like me who doesn't give a fuck. People can believe whatever they want as long as it doesn't involve me. I also hate when they try to force you to respect a religion that creates such madness in countries like Saudi :wtf:

I liked his car analogy. :wtf: If someone tries to sell you a car and you don't want it, then they come back and try to sell you it again the next day then you still don't give a shit about their stupid car, but they keep wanting you to buy it anyway :wtf:

[-Tidus4]

Couldn't have put it any better. Spot on.

[Esagan]

I dont hate religion, I just hate when people try to push their beliefs onto someone like me who doesn't give a fuck. People can believe whatever they want as long as it doesn't involve me. I also hate when they try to force you to respect a religion that creates such madness in countries like Saudi :wtf:

I liked his car analogy. :wtf: If someone tries to sell you a car and you don't want it, then they come back and try to sell you it again the next day then you still don't give a shit about their stupid car, but they keep wanting you to buy it anyway :wtf:

That's the problem though, even religons that shouldn't effect you still do. All this money which goes to the christian church in England could go to much better purposes.

I just can't think of one good thing religon brings apart from people who annoy me. Every single fucking christian I know annoys me in some way or another, every single one XD

[Pixel]

That's the problem though, even religons that shouldn't effect you still do. All this money which goes to the christian church in England could go to much better purposes.

I just can't think of one good thing religon brings apart from people who annoy me. Every single fucking christian I know annoys me in some way or another, every single one XD

Well, I can't possibly annoy you. :aldo:

I am with Neal on this one. Even though I have religion, I hate it when I see other people of any religion trying to push it off on others. In a way if you push it off on them it its not the "personal revelation" that it is supposed to be. Its more like an agreement for that person to fuck off. :wtf:

If anything, religion does bring people together and (sometimes) give them hope, even if it is false (depends on your point of view though). So, kudos to it for that. Particularly when the US economy is toasted.

EDIT: And if you are so obsessed and devoted to your religion in such a way to not even consider everyone else's opinion, your a idiot anyway. :aldo:

I also love it when half of the people at my school get confronted by Atheists which totally annihilate their religion and their response is "Well, your still going to burn in hell." Thats just pathetic.

[Misschoco]

roffle.

'whenever im exposed to religion I feel dirty'

this is orgasmicly refreshing to hear :aldo:.I love circular belief systems.Morons who disprove of anything which doesnt fit in with their beliefs.Where all pretty much fucked to an eternity of hell and satanic rape.gtfo.
I don't care if God tells people to suffer the little children, or feed the poor. If that's the only reason someones got for doing those things, you're a shitty person.

[Esagan]

If anything, religion does bring people together

No it seperates them. Always has and always will. Yes it may not have been intended to, or it may have who knows, but people find reasons to hate each other and 9 times out of 10 it's because "the bible tells them to".

Whether or not the bible was meant to cause hate to certain groups, I don't know, but it certainly has turned out that way.

[Wacka14]

No it seperates them. Always has and always will. Yes it may not have been intended to, or it may have who knows, but people find reasons to hate each other and 9 times out of 10 it's because "the bible tells them to".

It's called faith. I don't understand why having it is so looked down upon

From experience I can say that Religion can do both, but I have seen a GREAT many people brought closer together, and a lead more joyful lives because of it.


The Bible wasn't made to please everybody and I can understand where that would be troubling.I'm Christian and it makes me grow weary to see others doing ridiculous things in the name of God. Misinterpretation happens all the time

I don't need someone to be Christian to be my friend, and alot of my friends tell me the reason they disapprove of the idea is because they don't like the idea of something bigger than they are, and they're having too much fun to be limited by "rules and regulations"

I've never "forced my believes" on anyone but all my friends are perfectly aware of where I stand and why. I'm not here to judge people so I don't waist my time doing so.

[Esagan]

It's called faith. I don't understand why having it is so looked down upon

From experience I can say that Religion can do both, but I have seen a GREAT many people brought closer together, and a lead more joyful lives because of it.


The Bible wasn't made to please everybody and I can understand where that would be troubling.I'm Christian and it makes me grow weary to see others doing ridiculous things in the name of God. Misinterpretation happens all the time

I don't need someone to be Christian to be my friend, and alot of my friends tell me the reason they disapprove of the idea is because they don't like the idea of something bigger than they are, and they're having too much fun to be limited by "rules and regulations"

I've never "forced my believes" on anyone but all my friends are perfectly aware of where I stand and why. I'm not here to judge people so I don't waist my time doing so.

I'm not judging you. I'm simply saying Religon is a farce, something to control the population in terms of law, war, morales and money. There's just as much proof bullshit like scientology existed than that of christianity

And how muich proof is that? :wub:

I don't think the people you talk to can be all there if they don't like the idea of something bigger than them. That's really quite pathetic. Of course there's thing out there bigger than us. ask them if they've ever heard of the universe.

And yes it may bring people together, people who aren't strong enough to come to terms with the fact that we are human and there's no perfect being floating down looking after us all.

And considering you're implying that I'm judging you, is quite ironic since the religous comunity are the most judgemental people on Earth, and that's not deniable.

Brb gay marriage.

[Neal]

It's not the idea of something being "bigger", its the idea that just because a book says something doesn't make it true.

[Little Miss Scarlett]

Ahaha, I think I'm in love <33

Religion's out of date now, in my opinion. Hundreds of years ago, I can understand it being used as a form of law, but we have guns now.

Edit: You know how people now have Jedi religion or whatever, in hundreds of years people might not know it's from a film. Maybe Jesus was a popular play or something :wtf:

[Neal]

I can understand it being used as a form of law, but we have guns now.

rofl ilu <3

[Aimen]

Religion just seems to be an excuse to start a war atm :aldo:

[Esagan]

Ahaha, I think I'm in love <33

Religion's out of date now, in my opinion. Hundreds of years ago, I can understand it being used as a form of law, but we have guns now.

Edit: You know how people now have Jedi religion or whatever, in hundreds of years people might not know it's from a film. Maybe Jesus was a popular play or something :wtf:

LMAO, I think we have a perfect edition for SHFL right here XD

I gotta say I can understand it being used as a form of law, but we have guns now. is the best quote ever! XD Awesome.

and yeah it wouldn't suprise me if something like that Jedi religon got big. Not much suprises me with people today.

Religion just seems to be an excuse to start a war atm :aldo:

Yep :aldo: It has been for hundreds of years, why stop when they're on a roll ^_^

[Aimen]

INFIDEL :cathryn:

[Wacka14]

I'm not judging you. I'm simply saying Religon is a farce, something to control the population in terms of law, war, morales and money. There's just as much proof bullshit like scientology existed than that of christianity

And how muich proof is that? :wub:

I don't think the people you talk to can be all there if they don't like the idea of something bigger than them. That's really quite pathetic. Of course there's thing out there bigger than us. ask them if they've ever heard of the universe.

And yes it may bring people together, people who aren't strong enough to come to terms with the fact that we are human and there's no perfect being floating down looking after us all.

And considering you're implying that I'm judging you, is quite ironic since the religous comunity are the most judgemental people on Earth, and that's not deniable.

Brb gay marriage.


??? I wasn't implining that you were judging me, I wasn't even thinking about you (or anyone here) when I typed that. I was just making a statement about myself

I'm not going to argue with you on Gods existance because I know he's there...I guess the same way you know he's not there. Maybe the same way I have faith that he is you have faith that he isn't


And no, Science(if you're going of our worldy ways) supports the bible. Not Scientology:lol:. Scientology has no proof of anything

[Esagan]

??? I wasn't implining that you were judging me, I wasn't even thinking about you (or anyone here) when I typed that. I was just making a statement about myself

I'm not going to argue with you on Gods existance because I know he's there...I guess the same way you know he's not there. Maybe the same way I have faith that he is you have faith that he isn't


And no, Science(if you're going of our worldy ways) supports the bible. Not Scientology:lol:. Scientology has no proof of anything

And no, Science(if you're going of our worldy ways) supports the bible. Not Scientology:lol:. Scientology has no proof of anything

No offense but you are a beautiful example of christianity.

First of all, you have no proof that God exists just like Tom Cruise has no proof Xenu exists. I don't KNOW god isn't there, I don't believe he's there because THERE IS NO PROOF.

People don't need proof that someone isn't there, they need proof that he ISSSS there.

[Wacka14]

No offense but you are a beautiful example of christianity.


Thank you

First of all, you have no proof that God exists just like Tom Cruise has no proof Xenu exists. I don't KNOW god isn't there, I don't believe he's there because THERE IS NO PROOF.


I was talking about the bible and how science supports it, unlike scientology. i know what your saying and yeah, I believe in sonething I can't see. i'm fully aware of how that seems...but I don't care in the least.



People don't need proof that someone isn't there, they need proof that he ISSSS there.

:)I think you took my statement the wrong way... I was joking. and I didn't say "Proof" I said "Faith", Like I have faith that he is there. I understand hat it doesn't add up to you, and that's fine.

[Pixel]

No it seperates them. Always has and always will. Yes it may not have been intended to, or it may have who knows, but people find reasons to hate each other and 9 times out of 10 it's because "the bible tells them to".

Whether or not the bible was meant to cause hate to certain groups, I don't know, but it certainly has turned out that way.

It brings the people of the religion together, thats what I meant. I should edit that....

If anything, it brings those who don't believe together as well. And if you seriously think that if there was no religions, and everyone was Atheist, we would all be united, your insane. But, we are talking specifically about religion. So, back on to topic. :wtf:

It's not the idea of something being "bigger", its the idea that just because a book says something doesn't make it true.

Well, that is the whole point of Christianity or any other faith. Its the fact that you can trust in what's not there, without seeing the effects of what it can do. We all know the wind is there, because we can see the leaves blow, so we believe it. Religion takes it a step farther and makes you believe in what (is supposedly there) and trust it regardless if you see the effects or not.

I mean, you can say that if you prayed for something for a long period of time, it was God, or you could say it was luck, or the medicine. It all boils down to faith.

As for the whole, I need proof he is there, well, Christians use the Bible for that. Which we all know most Atheists think is a pile of shit (Well, the ones I know anyway). So, no reason to continue bashing the guys faith into the dirt. :wtf:

To be honest, I don't believe fully either way. I don't think that all the ideals of Christianity are good ones, or truth to be honest. And I suppose once I move out and am not forced to go to Church everyday I will finally make a choice to go on one side or the other.

And I agree that most religious people are judgmental, I live in the heart of all that shit, I live in the south, FIRE AND BRIMSTONE.

I try and not be judgmental kthx. :aldo:

Oh my god, I wrote a book. fkdlhfdjslfhsj

[Esagan]

It brings the people of the religion together, thats what I meant. I should edit that....

If anything, it brings those who don't believe together as well. And if you seriously think that if there was no religions, and everyone was Atheist, we would all be united, your insane. But, we are talking specifically about religion. So, back on to topic. :wtf:



Well, that is the whole point of Christianity or any other faith. Its the fact that you can trust in what's not there, without seeing the effects of what it can do. We all know the wind is there, because we can see the leaves blow, so we believe it. Religion takes it a step farther and makes you believe in what (is supposedly there) and trust it regardless if you see the effects or not.

I mean, you can say that if you prayed for something for a long period of time, it was God, or you could say it was luck, or the medicine. It all boils down to faith.

As for the whole, I need proof he is there, well, Christians use the Bible for that. Which we all know most Atheists think is a pile of shit (Well, the ones I know anyway). So, no reason to continue bashing the guys faith into the dirt. :wtf:

To be honest, I don't believe fully either way. I don't think that all the ideals of Christianity are good ones, or truth to be honest. And I suppose once I move out and am not forced to go to Church everyday I will finally make a choice to go on one side or the other.

And I agree that most religious people are judgmental, I live in the heart of all that shit, I live in the south, FIRE AND BRIMSTONE.

I try and not be judgmental kthx. :aldo:

Oh my god, I wrote a book. fkdlhfdjslfhsj

And if you seriously think that if there was no religions, and everyone was Atheist, we would all be united, your insane.

I never said that, I'm just saying it would make one hell of a difference.

So, no reason to continue bashing the guys faith into the dirt. :wtf:

Where's the fun in a debate without some form of bashing? EH EH?

I was talking about the bible and how science supports it

Where?

[Pixel]

I never said that, I'm just staying it would make one hell of a difference.

TRUE.

Where's the fun in a debate without some form of bashing? EH EH?

Ah, your right, there is none. This reminds me of the old days.

BURN IT WITH FIRE ////

[Wacka14]

As for the whole, I need proof he is there, well, Christians use the Bible for that. Which we all know most Atheists think is a pile of shit (Well, the ones I know anyway). So, no reason to continue bashing the guys faith into the dirt. :wtf:


It's ok. I'm not offended:D

Where's the fun in a debate without some form of bashing? EH EH?

It's true:lol:

[Esagan]

This reminds me of the old days.

BURN IT WITH FIRE ////

They sure were fun ;; xD

SOMEBODY GET KIRA, WE NEED TO EVEN THE TEAMS. >:/ :kira:

[Little Miss Scarlett]

I'm flattered :aldo:

Gotta say though, I do think Christianity gets a lot of unfair stick, Islam is by far worse. They're both very similar but one would include me having to wear a tablecloth and being stoned to death. And this,

YouTube - Saudi Cleric: Why Women Should Obey Men

I swear he is SO a eunuch, listen to that voice. The beard is obviously fake.

[Esagan]

That's pretty fucked up right there ;D

But yes Christianity is wayyyy less fucked than it used to be. However in the medieval times, the two were very much alike. Torture, inquisitions and the whole cuddly affair of warm feelings to neighbouring countries.

Islam is only fucked up because the people make it that way. I imagine, if people didn't misinterprate it, it wouldn't be quite so creepy.

[Devious]

How does your God explain nipples on men?

[Pyramid Head]

Wacka14, science and the Bible are pretty much mutually exclusive of each other. When God is worried that a bunch of people are going to be able to build a tower high enough to reach him with their primitive technology, there's something a little off. When a virgin gives birth to someone who later ends up dying and gets resurrected...science doesn't exactly support something like that.

Esagan, the Islam extremists aren't really misinterpreting anything...the Qu'ran says quite a few times to kill non-believers and that men are better than women. Of course, the Bible is also sexist and extremely violent but most modern Christians just ignore those little facts, which is a very good thing.

[Neal]

Kind of elminates the point really, if they're going to selectively choose what part of the bible to follow rofl

[Pyramid Head]

I completely agree, but I'd rather have someone cherry pick and be a decent person rather than someone that takes every word literally and is a nutjob! Lesser of the two evils.

[Wacka14]

Kind of elminates the point really, if they're going to selectively choose what part of the bible to follow rofl


very much so. I don't weed through the bible and obey/take to heart the parts that fit in with my idea of how things should work. That completely defies the purpous. I might as well find a book on "How to be nice and not offend people" if I'm trying to be that secular:lol:

Wacka14, science and the Bible are pretty much mutually exclusive of each other. When God is worried that a bunch of people are going to be able to build a tower high enough to reach him with their primitive technology, there's something a little off. When a virgin gives birth to someone who later ends up dying and gets resurrected...science doesn't exactly support something like that.

Science has proven many events in the bible to have happened. Although I don't need that to believe, I just stated it when Christianity was compared to Scientology.

[Pyramid Head]

Science has proven many events in the bible to have happened. Although I don't need that to believe, I just stated it when Christianity was compared to Scientology.

I would ask you for examples, but it's a moot point since it is irrelevant to your beliefs. Are events in the Bible that can be proven FALSE with science irrelevant to your beliefs as well?

[Esagan]

Wacka14, science and the Bible are pretty much mutually exclusive of each other. When God is worried that a bunch of people are going to be able to build a tower high enough to reach him with their primitive technology, there's something a little off. When a virgin gives birth to someone who later ends up dying and gets resurrected...science doesn't exactly support something like that.

Esagan, the Islam extremists aren't really misinterpreting anything...the Qu'ran says quite a few times to kill non-believers and that men are better than women. Of course, the Bible is also sexist and extremely violent but most modern Christians just ignore those little facts, which is a very good thing.

Ah right! Didn't know it was fucked up that bad :aldo: And they want us to believe in it. Crazeh :aldo:

[Wacka14]

:lol: Don't get me wrong. It's great that it is proven. And yeah it's hard to believe in something you can't hear see or touch, But that's what faith be for

in other news: Click here for an account of how science has proven the parting of the red sea (http://www.eons.com/blogs/entry/674811-Science-Proves-Bible-Accuracy)

I don't have all this stuff written down but it's been shown to me and it's not hard to find either online, or a book store, or library, or even(gasp) a church if you wanna go and ask some Pastors.


Are events in the Bible that can be proven FALSE with science irrelevant to your beliefs as well? I'd like to know what your getting at, or what you've seen proven false. But to answer your question simply, I do not believe there is any false information in the Bible.

the Islam extremists aren't really misinterpreting anything...the Qu'ran says quite a few times to kill non-believers and that men are better than women. Of course, the Bible is also sexist and extremely violent but most modern Christians just ignore those little facts, which is a very good thing.

I disagree with the bible being sexist but yeah, there is violence in the bible...what's your point? I don't know any Christians who ignore/deny that.

[Neal]

When a virgin gives birth to someone who later ends up dying and gets resurrected...science doesn't exactly support something like that.You can only make that statement if a virgin giving birth is proven. Supporting a theory with no evidence is pretty much... religion.

[Pyramid Head]

:lol: Don't get me wrong. It's great that it is proven. And yeah it's hard to believe in something you can't hear see or touch, But that's what faith be for

in other news: Click here for an account of how science has proven the parting of the red sea (http://www.eons.com/blogs/entry/674811-Science-Proves-Bible-Accuracy)

I don't have all this stuff written down but it's been shown to me and it's not hard to find either online, or a book store, or library, or even(gasp) a church if you wanna go and ask some Pastors.

LOL, all the info in that link was dug up by Ron Wyatt, the same guy that claimed to have found the ark of the covenant. Hell, even the president of Wyatt Archaeological Research said the following:

"All kinds of people are finding coral and calling it chariot parts," says Richard Rives, president of Wyatt Archaeological Research in Tennessee. "It's most likely coral covered with coral. ... Opportunists are combining false things with the true things that are found. These people are making it up as they go to be TV stars."

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=19382

It's true that info like this is not hard to find, but most of it is simply not reliable.

I'd like to know what your getting at, or what you've seen proven false. But to answer your question simply, I do not believe there is any false information in the Bible.

If you read the Bible with the predisposition that there is no false information contained in it, of course there will be no false information.

I disagree with the bible being sexist but yeah, there is violence in the bible...what's your point? I don't know any Christians who ignore/deny that.

As for the violence comment, I meant to say that people that read the Bible completely literally would be more prone to violent behavior.

[Pyramid Head]

You can only make that statement if a virgin giving birth is proven. Supporting a theory with no evidence is pretty much... religion.

Heh, there's plenty of evidence...the Bible says it so it has to be true!:P That's all the evidence some people need. I used to be like that, actually.

[Neal]

Well, being an undergraduate Geologist I need a little more than that, rofl. I see evolution. I can see how a specturm of species slowly change until the most recent one has the most logical and best anatomy. For example, fish that mouths underneath their face so they can suck onto a rock and eat the algae or whatever while being completely aware of their surroundings while in the same group, older species have to be looking at their food to eat it, exposing themselves..

I don't KNOW god isn't there, I don't believe he's there because THERE IS NO PROOF.My view entirely. Much love. <3

[Wacka14]

I just posted that link to show you some of what was there. If you wanna delve deeper into it please do, but if one doesn't want to believe something than it's not hard t find reasons not to. I'm not Christian to win popularity contests and I'm not a robot who blindly follows just because, but explaining it any further wouldn't make a difference over here and I've had this convo like 5 times this week with a ludicrous amount of people:D I've said my piece here :thumbsup: thanks for listening^_^

[Esagan]

:lol: Don't get me wrong. It's great that it is proven. And yeah it's hard to believe in something you can't hear see or touch, But that's what faith be for

in other news: Click here for an account of how science has proven the parting of the red sea (http://www.eons.com/blogs/entry/674811-Science-Proves-Bible-Accuracy)

Don't get me wrong. It's great that it is proven. And yeah it's hard to believe in something you can't hear see or touch, But that's what faith be for

For people who want hope and are scared of nothing after death. Weak people.

Loads of people believein shit they don't see but grow out of it around 8 years old.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/find-santa-claus-10.jpg


I don't have all this stuff written down but it's been shown to me and it's not hard to find either online, or a book store, or library, or even(gasp) a church if you wanna go and ask some Pastors.


A church? I've never been somewhere where people are os short sighted. I once had to go to a chistining (sp?). They thanked God for toothpaste....

I'd like to know what your getting at, or what you've seen proven false. But to answer your question simply, I do not believe there is any false information in the Bible.

I heard that somewhere in the bible it says you shouldn't pray in public. That God asks you to prayer on your own.


I disagree with the bible being sexist but yeah, there is violence in the bible...what's your point? I don't know any Christians who ignore/deny that.[/QUOTE]

Point is, what would a book from a god who show's nothing but love preach violence for?

Well, being an undergraduate Geologist I need a little more than that, rofl. I see evolution. I can see how a specturm of species slowly change until the most recent one has the most logical and best anatomy. For example, fish that mouths underneath their face so they can suck onto a rock and eat the algae or whatever while being completely aware of their surroundings while in the same group, older species have to be looking at their food to eat it, exposing themselves.

Same.

Faith = Brainwashing and false hope.

Agnostic/Atheism = Realistic and open minded. Yes , we're the open minded ones.

[Little Miss Scarlett]

There's scientific proof that the world came about milions of years ago rather than the (what is it?) 10,000 - ish years ago it says in the Bible. It obviously isn't right about everything, and if it was wrong about something pretty major like that, what's stopping everything else from being incorrect?

I still say Islam is worse. It used to just be dislike, but after reading some of the stories on this (http://www.rawa.org/index.php) website, I'm incapable of feeling anything other than pure hatred. The worst of it comes from when they take the Qu'ran word for word. It's all rather sick to be honest.

Christianity's worst has been and gone, for the most part people put their own morals before taking what the Bible says word for word.


God this is so annoying, I used to know off the top of my head all the worst things said in the Bible and the Qu'ran. I can only remember one now.

Exodus. 22:18
Though shalt not suffer a witch to live

Advocating violence :cookie:

[Neal]

That article is written by a clearly strongly religious viewpoint and doesn't leave a source of any information.

If you could provide an article with some scientific basis, i.e. from a journal or at least sourcing something, then ill read more than two paragraphs. Even if this is all true, it doesn't really prove that the sea was parted by a divine force. An earthquake or a volcano could have cracked the seabed in that way.

As I've said before, I think the accounts in the bible are down to natural forces that people of that time didn't understand. Obviously I have no evidence or proof of this but it's my own personal thoughts on it. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were running away from the Egyptians something like an earthquake happened and killed them all. If they didnt understand what the earthquake was and had never seen or even heard of one I'd totally understand them thinking it was something supernatural.

[Esagan]

There's scientific proof that the world came about milions of years ago rather than the (what is it?) 10,000 - ish years ago it says in the Bible. It obviously isn't right about everything, and if it was wrong about something pretty major like that, what's stopping everything else from being incorrect?

I still say Islam is worse. It used to just be dislike, but after reading some of the stories on this (http://www.rawa.org/index.php) website, I'm incapable of feeling anything other than pure hatred. The worst of it comes from when they take the Qu'ran word for word. It's all rather sick to be honest.

Christianity's worst has been and gone, for the most part people put their own morals before taking what the Bible says word for word.


God this is so annoying, I used to know off the top of my head all the worst things said in the Bible and the Qu'ran. I can only remember one now.

Exodus. 22:18
Though shalt not suffer a witch to live

Advocating violence :cookie:

I believe this schoolkid fuck up talks about the Earth being 6000 years old. Quiote frankly he makes me bleed with anger, just because he thinks he's so clever and fuck is he cocky.

YouTube - 6000 year old earth

And yeah, things like witches and stuff. Come on! Even if there were people with "gifts", who got perceived as witches, why the shit should we burn them?

Not as fucked up as Islam, but atleast Islam believe in their rleigon instead of just saying they do. You don't see them changing the quran to what suits them.

FUUUUUUUUUUUU-

[Pixel]

As I've said before, I think the accounts in the bible are down to natural forces that people of that time didn't understand. Obviously I have no evidence or proof of this but it's my own personal thoughts on it. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were running away from the Egyptians something like an earthquake happened and killed them all. If they didnt understand what the earthquake was and had never seen or even heard of one I'd totally understand them thinking it was something supernatural.

So, basically, the Bible is a slightly more credible source of explaining natural events than say, Zeus?

Honestly, When I think of a sea PARTING, I do not think a earthquake could cause that. Well, no. It could, but a giant rift would be there sucking all of the water in it. So, it would be more of a... hole. Not a part IMO.

Anyway, I missed a lot of stuff. So, from what I've read I will say that anyone who take ANY religious material WORD FOR WORD is an idiot. :wtf:

Even some the bible's stories within the story are parables. Not meant to be taken seriously kthx. Only to convey a message.

[Neal]

I dont mean there was an earthquake which made the sea water go up, I mean it left a crack and made a underwater valley kind of thing which is what they're describing in that article if you looked at it. Cracks like that are formed by earthquakes, how would an earthquake cause a hole? That doesn't even make sense.

The bible verses are meant to be accounts of actual events as far as I was told. Otherwise that makes it even less believable!


Anyway, I missed a lot of stuff. So, from what I've read I will say that anyone who take ANY religious material WORD FOR WORD is an idiot. :wtf:

But why shouldnt they? Isnt it the word of god?

[Pixel]

I dont mean there was an earthquake which made the sea water go up, I mean it left a crack and made a underwater valley kind of thing which is what they're describing in that article if you looked at it. Cracks like that are formed by earthquakes, how would an earthquake cause a hole? That doesn't even make sense.

The bible verses are meant to be accounts of actual events as far as I was told. Otherwise that makes it even less believable!



But why shouldnt they? Isnt it the word of god?

And dies the bible not say the water was formed in like, two massive walls, like, upwards? So they kinda rules out proving it ever happened.

And no, all the words in the bible are not the word of God. Only the words in red. Although, those are Jesus's word, but you know, the Trinity and all that Jazz makes them God's words. Everything else is written by people in the Bible. Like the Gospels. What they wrote was god either A) telling them to as in visions and such. Or B) Their experiences with the Religion and Jesus. And what they learned.

For Instance, Revelation is just a massive vision I think it was... Paul had and wrote about.

[Neal]

So what you're saying is it's someones account of what may or may not have actually happened... sometimes? rofl

And dies the bible not say the water was formed in like, two massive walls, like, upwards? So they kinda rules out proving it ever happened.

Stop thinking about the movement of the water, I don't think that ever happened. It's this so-called evidence they've found that I'm talking about.

[Pixel]

Well, yes and no. All the people who wrote the books that are in it are heavily religious and had God as the inspiration and all of it points out that God is the best, helps you follow the moral code etc, etc. But yes, all of it is not strait from the mouth of God.

Or at least thats my interpretation of it.

[Esagan]

Well, yes and no. All the people who wrote the books that are in it are heavily religious and had God as the inspiration and all of it points out that God is the best, helps you follow the moral code etc, etc. But yes, all of it is not strait from the mouth of God.

Or at least thats my interpretation of it.

Nah I don't believe Religon helps anyone follow a moral code.

It's when people tell me I'm leading a "Christian lifestyle" that i get fucked off. Just because I'm not an asshole, it doesn't mean I lead the life style of any religon. That properly rages me. FUUUUUUUUU-

That's the biggest shit heap with God. No matter how nice you are, you still get fucked in the ass for not believing in him. All forgiving my ass.

[Neal]

For Instance, Revelation is just a massive vision I think it was... Paul had and wrote about.LOL so people are believing 2,000 years worth of religion, basing their whole lifestyles, ideals etc on a vision someone had? AHAHAHA. OH SHIT :wtf: I wouldn't usually laugh at other's beliefs to their face, but that is pathetic. We all know what drugs can do to you, what if he was walking through the woods and popped a mushroom he found then had his vision?

Someone having a vision vs. indisputable fossil records. HMMM :wtf:

[Esagan]

I once saw my Pulp Fiction poster wink at me because I hadn't slept for 52 hours. Does this mean I should write a book on Samuel Jackson?

Thoughts plox.


YouTube - Atheists: stop taking Bible verses out of context.

[Neal]

Yep, that sounds about right. :wtf:

[Esagan]

YouTube - The Story of Adam and Eve: Explained

LAWL

[Pyramid Head]

The utterly ridiculous stories are usually brushed off as parables by casual believers. Noah's ark? Parable. Tower of Babylon? Parable. The story about God sending two bears to murder 42 children for making fun of a bald guy? Yep, must be a parable to show that making fun of people is bad (2 Kings 2:23-24). The part in the Bible where God puts a dollar value on humans and men are worth more than women? It must be a parable to show that...er...men are better than women (Leviticus 27:3-7)?

[Purple]

I agree. Even Genesis is supposed to be a myth. It's not supposed to be taken literary. I believe most things written on the Bible are just stories which aim to send a message.

[Neal]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=216_1207467783

Jusify. :wtf:

[Thimien]

i once had someone say, whats so bad about beeing good, and follow the bible, so we can have a place in the after life. Why are people so against it...?

I say ashes to ashes, dust to dust.... whats so fucking fun about that??? you live good you die, you live bad you die... may as well say fuck it... and live the life you fucking want... only live once :D

Its obvious its just a damn book..

EDIT: im gona live by the Little Red Riding Hood book.... dont go to your grans house, or youl fucking get eaten.

[Neal]

i once had someone say, whats so bad about beeing good, and follow the bible, so we can have a place in the after life. Why are people so against it...?

Go and look at the Proof of god thread. :aldo:

[ag Fuireacht]

For people who want hope and are scared of nothing after death. Weak people.

Loads of people believein shit they don't see but grow out of it around 8 years old.

Same.

Faith = Brainwashing and false hope.

Agnostic/Atheism = Realistic and open minded. Yes , we're the open minded ones.

First and foremost I'm not trying to force anything on you I'm just expressing my view ^_^.

I consider myself kinda religious but I'm also open minded. I don't force my opinions on anyone else, I'm gay and I'll try pretty much anything once ;) :lol:

How can you declare to be so open minded when you are so obviously prejudiced against religion? I mean I understand how you feel I've been an atheist, I'm open minded to your situation yet i predict a torrent of dissapproval from you already...:blink:

As Socrates once said "wisest is she who knows she does not know", you know as much about the existance of God as I do, which is nothing because we cannot know. I can't be sure he exists but I choose to believe he does.

In times of extreme pain, distress and hardship religion can help ordinary people achieve extraordinary things, I personally don't think Nelson Mandela is weak, do you?

[dilldoe]

There's only one thing I can say to this thread, other than of course, thanks for the laughs you ignorant little muffins you :wub: coooooome herre gimme a kiiiiiisss

If you Condemn preachers, if you "assign" the religious, to a "Hell" on Earth - if you Say "I Will Not believe in your GOD BUT, Neither should you" and if you say, paraphrasing of course "You are condemned to the label of malictitious Idiot, because of your beliefs" Then how, pray tell, are you ANY different, from the religious bigots? How are you any different from the people who take a way of life, be-it religious, or idealogical, or theological, or WHATEVER it is, and twist and manipulate it to their own purpose? If you say "WE are the collective Atheists, we REFUSE all belief of the Unknown, we refuse Religion" Then do you not realise, that THAT in itself is a Religion? Do you not see, that by refusing an idea, JUST because other people believe in it, and just because you can't SEE it, is JUST as bad, or worse perhaps, as ACCEPTING that idea just because someone else says it's right? That is completely absurd. If you do not believe, then so-be-it. You have a brain, it's up to you to use it. But you have no grounds, to then tell people that what THEY believe is wrong. If you remove yourself from ANY sort of affiliation or allegiance, you cannot say to people "YOU ARE WRONG". because what do you offer them, in place of their small comforts, and appreciations of life, and hope of the Unknown? WHat do you offer them in place of these? NOTHING. You offer nothing.

AT the very least, at the very very least, the religious try to get you to join their cause, out of LOVE. But it is STILL up to you, to either say "ok, your ideas speak to me, I will join you" OR "no, These are YOUR beliefs, I do not agree, be gone" Can atheists say the same? Can you honestly say you wish to get people to REJECT their entire mind-sets, and beliefs, and ideas, and philosophies, out of LOVE? or is it, as I suspect, simply to get the satisfaction of seeing them fall from their ignorant bliss? is it simply because, (not all atheists of course, i'd never be so ignorant as to suggest that, BUT most certainly the majority of sheepish followers who would, 200 years ago, be blindly following Christianity just as they follow the "non-belief" trend of today) IS IT, because, behind the sneers, behind the cheap shots, behind the cyniscism, sarcasm, and unceasing sardonicness, you are just as afraid as them? But where THEY choose a path, you hesitate. Where they pick an idea that speaks to them, you do not choose. Simply so that you protect yourself from being deemed "wrong". But by doing this, you will aslo protect yourself from any "Rightness" Because it is YOU who makes it right or wrong. It's up to you, down to you, and round and round about for you. If you say, "IT IS, my Personal Belief, That I Reject the intangible Machinationes of Imagination, I reject the unbaseable Ideas of Lunatics - I Refuse to Follow the Abrahamic Faiths, or any other which worships an unseeable Entity" If you say that, I can understand this, and I can respect this. This is your belief. Or something along those lines. But how many of the collective "Atheists", can say that? Because that's not what I hear. What I hear coming from their mouths is "REPENT REPENT THERE IS NO GOD FOLLOW US TO HELL THERE IS NO GOD YOU ARE AN IDIOT FOR BELIEVING IN GOD WHY DO YOU BELIEVE WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY?"

You leave me be, and I'll leave you be. Walk blindly t'ward the devil if you wish. If you don't believe he exists, then good luck to you. But I will walk my own path. I will follow what I believe to be "right". I would expect no-one else to follow me, and I will follow in the shadow of no-one else. I walk my own steps; Can you say the same?

Cahil. Thats the word for it unfortunately :lol:

[Rokuro]

It's actually kind of sad that you all blindly believe that you will have your little god hold your hand all through life and you will never truly understand that it does not matter when you die because there is nothing after death! You are gone and there will not be a single soul in the universe who ever knew you existed.

Oh yeah, except for Tom Cruise

[Neal]

What makes you think no one will remember you? :wtf: No one is ever going to forget Hitler, Stalin or Tom Cruise.

[Nagase]

First and foremost I'm not trying to force anything on you I'm just expressing my view ^_^.

I consider myself kinda religious but I'm also open minded. I don't force my opinions on anyone else, I'm gay and I'll try pretty much anything once ;) :lol:

How can you declare to be so open minded when you are so obviously prejudiced against religion? I mean I understand how you feel I've been an atheist, I'm open minded to your situation yet i predict a torrent of dissapproval from you already...:blink:

As Socrates once said "wisest is she who knows she does not know", you know as much about the existance of God as I do, which is nothing because we cannot know. I can't be sure he exists but I choose to believe he does.

In times of extreme pain, distress and hardship religion can help ordinary people achieve extraordinary things, I personally don't think Nelson Mandela is weak, do you?

Because I've had that many people tell me I deserve to burn that I think I deserve to be a little antireligon. By a little I mean I hate it.

Religon can help people in extreme pain yes, but alot of the time it's the religon itself which CAUSES the extreme pain. The fact that people say God helped me through it is just a pshycological effect that something is helping them.

People study mental issues such as skitzoprenia but don't seem to study blind faith as a mental disability.

If people say they see things, monsters or demons etc, they get put in a mental asylum when there's just as much proof of that existing as there is of God. The only difference is people in mental asylums don't generally follow a belief which promted stoning and hatred ^_^

It's actually kind of sad that you all blindly believe that you will have your little god hold your hand all through life and you will never truly understand that it does not matter when you die because there is nothing after death! You are gone and there will not be a single soul in the universe who ever knew you existed.
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[Rokuro]

Thank you! I hate everyone always saying that atheists are going to hell when all the religious bastards are the ones fucking our lives up.

[Nagase]

Thank you! I hate everyone always saying that atheists are going to hell when all the religious bastards are the ones fucking our lives up.

I hate how we're always classed as the violent one's when it was them launching "holy" crusades across the world, executions for blasphemy and stoning.

It's only because the religon has pretty much been changed, by man, to fit the modern world that it still doesn't condone death in the name of a God. Saying that I wouldn't be suprised if a hell of a lot of people would change that if it was put to a vote.

[NEALBLEWMEONCE]

I hate how we're always classed as the violent one's when it was them launching "holy" crusades across the world, executions for blasphemy and stoning.

It's only because the religon has pretty much been changed, by man, to fit the modern world that it still doesn't condone death in the name of a God. Saying that I wouldn't be suprised if a hell of a lot of people would change that if it was put to a vote.

http://www.elephantjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/picture-38.png

^ Are we forgetting something?

The whole 'Religion is more violent! No, atheism is more violent!' argument is based on flawed semantics.

What we're talking about isn't theism vs. atheism, it's ideological fanaticism vs. sanity.

[LOL]

Why is it where every forum I go to there is another damn atheist vs. religious thread.:wtf:
I don't care if there is a god or not and I just ignore people who try to force their opinion on me. And today in school me and my friends were all deciding what snacks we each should bring to our party in hell.:D

[Nagase]

http://www.elephantjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/picture-38.png

^ Are we forgetting something?

The whole 'Religion is more violent! No, atheism is more violent!' argument is based on flawed semantics.

What we're talking about isn't theism vs. atheism, it's ideological fanaticism vs. sanity.

No, you might be, I'm not. I'm not talking about extremists of seperate people. I'm talking about it as a whole.

[Raidori]

Well im in the grey area and from out here all of you guys look like annoying pricks.

[Rokuro]

Hey, why can't I just agree with someone on an issue? I'm not explicity forcing my opinion on you. Telling me to shut up is you pushing you opinions on me! Your the annoying snatch who doesn't have an opinion.

(sorry about the snatch, but "thou shalt not lie" and you don't have a prick :halo:)

Edit: Sorry about the sexism (please don't beat me!)

[Nagase]

Well im in the grey area and from out here all of you guys look like annoying pricks.

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[NEALBLEWMEONCE]

No, you might be, I'm not. I'm not talking about extremists of seperate people. I'm talking about it as a whole.


"The one place in which gods and demons inarguably exist is in the human mind, where they are real in all their grandeur and monstrosity."

[Misschoco]

Thank you! I hate everyone always saying that atheists are going to hell when all the religious bastards are the ones fucking our lives up.
As much as i agree with you,you cant literally state that 'all' religious individuals fuck up our lives.There are still the majority that have sanity and respect athiests decisions etc without trying to impose their beliefs.I would start bullshitting about jehovahs witnesses right now.

[Nagase]

"The one place in which gods and demons inarguably exist is in the human mind, where they are real in all their grandeur and monstrosity."

Well done, you just quoted a comic book writer. Validity +1.

[NEALBLEWMEONCE]

Well done, you just quoted a comic book writer. Validity +1.
^ From the guy who constantly posts random image macros in serious discussion topics?

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[Nagase]

^ From the guy who constantly posts random image macros in serious discussion topics?

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/6/6b/Cup_of_stfu.JPG/423px-Cup_of_stfu.JPG

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[Rokuro]

As much as i agree with you,you cant literally state that 'all' religious individuals fuck up our lives.There are still the majority that have sanity and respect athiests decisions etc without trying to impose their beliefs.I would start bullshitting about jehovahs witnesses right now.

No, not all. But the majority al least, I'm talking about the really hardcore fanatics who jump at the opportunity to prove you wrong and get into really lengthy arguments

[Luriana]

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[NEALBLEWMEONCE]

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[Nagase]

YouTube - MythBusters: Does God exist?

[●S.K.Y●]

ANGEL MAY CRY ToT

[alice-duckets]

Goddamnright.

While I respect religion and realize to a large degree how it has affected the evolution of civilization and our current day, good or bad, I don't think it is a healthy practice. I'm not sure if I just have an unnaturally sound understanding of death, but it doesn't seem healthy to cloud views with the easy answer of "someone made us when he sneezed" or what have you. I've spent a good deal of years analyzing it in comparison to primitive psychological characteristics of people, and it has generated a great understanding of where religion stemmed from.

It's the be architect of civilization, but we've reached a time where it may very well be the end of us. Culture can't survive without it, but it's required in success of our survival.

[Luriana]

Goddamnright.

While I respect religion and realize to a large degree how it has affected the evolution of civilization and our current day, good or bad, I don't think it is a healthy practice. I'm not sure if I just have an unnaturally sound understanding of death, but it doesn't seem healthy to cloud views with the easy answer of "someone made us when he sneezed" or what have you. I've spent a good deal of years analyzing it in comparison to primitive psychological characteristics of people, and it has generated a great understanding of where religion stemmed from.

It's the be architect of civilization, but we've reached a time where it may very well be the end of us. Culture can't survive without it, but it's required in success of our survival.

Putting it into a few words: DIE RELIGION. :wub:

You may be doing the shittiest task ever, it will never be as time-wasting as religion.

[NEALBLEWMEONCE]

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[LOL]

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9856/20090223reckless.png

:awesome::awesome::awesome: <3333333

[Luriana]

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lol pwned :rolleyes:

EARLIER TICKETS TO HEAVEN

[Stellise]

I don't really believe most of the teachings. I guess if i lived in earlier ages, i would've been staked to death. Anyway i don't think there's such a thing as heaven. Geez, the church even changes some of the writings when scientists discover new stuff. I seek the truth, not some hand-me-down teachings. I just wish Valhalla existed. That'd be way much cooler..my kind of afterlife.

[Renzokuken]

That's the problem though, even religons that shouldn't effect you still do. All this money which goes to the christian church in England could go to much better purposes.

I just can't think of one good thing religon brings apart from people who annoy me. Every single fucking christian I know annoys me in some way or another, every single one XD


Lol I like the last part xD

But the one thing that religion does bring is peace of mind, people who dont need it either leave it the f**k alone or hate on it.

Those who do need it uses it in their everyday lives.



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[Dystopia]

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[Subba]

When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullsh*t, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullsh*t story ever told.
Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you.
He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullsh*t story: Holy sh*t!

Oh, Carlin.
^_^

[ag Fuireacht]

When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullsh*t, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullsh*t story ever told.
Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you.
He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullsh*t story: Holy sh*t!

Oh, Carlin.
^_^

Okay... there are some strong sentiments in that post :blink:

For the record - I'm not a religious nutter! I just have a mild degree of faith.
Also I'm just presenting my opinion, not telling you what to think. :thumbsup:

I think you are mixing two very different things in that post. One is the fabrications of fallible human beings and the other is a precious resource that is of use to anyone who wants it - faith.

Humans like you and me have recorded the bible and created other such religious entities. It would be utterly futile to attempt to seperate divine intention from manipulative man-made fibs.

Forgive me if I'm wrong >_< but you seem to be condeming every aspect of faith and religion and labelling those who trust either as gullible or even stupid!
I don't believe there is a big invisible beardy man sitting on a big gold throne somewhere up in the atmosphere, I do however believe that there is a God who loves all of us. :D

OH yeh, and how do you know the promises are false? I'd love to know your secret because I'm fairly sure that I haven't a clue that they're true and you haven't any evidence to the contrary.<_<

I choose to believe in a God and I'm not preaching my opinion as fact as some religious nutters do... and atheist nutters :P

[Kätharina]

OH yeh, and how do you know the promises are false? I'd love to know your secret because I'm fairly sure that I haven't a clue that they're true and you haven't any evidence to the contrary.<_<

Because Religion is based on Astrology.

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[Nagase]

Because Religion is based on Astrology.

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LOL, good use of Bruce :cathryn:

[ag Fuireacht]

Because Religion is based on Astrology.



Haha funny you should mention that!

The last day I was looking at the horoscopes and my uber-religious granny was like:

"NOOOOOOO!!!!"
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:lol:

[Kätharina]

LOL, good use of Bruce :cathryn:

Why thank you :nagase:

[Subba]

Forgive me if I'm wrong >_< but you seem to be condeming every aspect of faith and religion and labelling those who trust either as gullible or even stupid!

That's the gist of it, yeah. ^_^

[●S.K.Y●]

From Yahoo: http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080226150903AAm9NIY

Is it okay to touch my girlfriend's boobs if I'm Catholic?

So my girlfriend and I have been going out for over 7 months and we're both Catholic. The most we've done so far is make out and I've touched her boobs on the outside of her clothing. But now she wants me to go inside her shirt. I kinda want to, and I know that it's wrong, but I'm not sure if it's considered sex. What should I do?

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[Aurelia]

You would be surprised how horrible sheltered people are.
I say he should go on wikipedia to get the answers to that question. Wiki said so, so I know it's right.
Also make him watch "Kinsey."

[●S.K.Y●]

You would be surprised how horrible sheltered people are.
I say he should go on wikipedia to get the answers to that question. Wiki said so, so I know it's right.
Also make him watch "Kinsey."

He should go suicidal........damn, right now i just know that there's still this type of people exist on Earth! I lol for that. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: