Piracy

[olorin818]

ok so now days piracy become a major problem, to save money people download music, movies, games etc. from sites like Pirate Bay, Mininova and others, Its a good way to get whatever you want, becasue you dont have to pay for it. I myself download a lot. If I want to get a something, but I know that is not worth of spending money on it then I just use pirate bay. But every time I do that I fell like commiting a crime, I know that in some ways its illegal, but not always I had the money. When If its about games I like to have nice collections, I like to have games in nice original boxes with some extras inside, its look really nice on shelf. But I wouldnt spend 20 pounds on game I just want to try it, and I know I wont even complete it. So whether I can I prefer go cineam to see movie, or whatever instead of using torrent sites. But as always its not possible.
So how about you guys, are you pirates? Are you often use torrent sites, do you care that about it, or are you always pay for original stuff?

[VeraAlexander]

I pirate alot of stuff, games being my number one, yeah i prefer to have them on a disc in my collection somewhere but how do i know i am going to like the game?. Same with songs whats the point of buying a whole cd when there may only be two songs you like? I do the same with movies, i know it is illegal, but you know how many movies or games i have bought just turn out to be crap, it's a waste, yes i feel bad sometimes, but overall it has saved me a ton a money and i have discovered new games i like and new genres if i really love the game or movie, then i'll buy it. So yes i am a pirate.

[Dream Machine]

Digital Piracy is a very new concept and businesses don't know how to deal with it.

The argument that piracy is theft is a bit weak when it comes to digital piracy (in opposition to making fake brand clothes or something) mainly because it doesn't involve taking a physical object. Digital information can be copied indefinitely, its not like stealing an apple or an ipod, where someone has made that specific object.

A counter to that could be that people had to put money into making the original song/film/etc. This is a bit of a grey area, with films and games I'd agree and I try not to download them too much for this reason. Music on the other hand is totally different as artists and their labels make most of their money off of live shows and publishing rights for TV shows/films/adverts/etc nowadays.

[VeraAlexander]

thats why i don't care too much about downloading songs, 98% of the games i download are from the dreamcast and back, and movies i rarely download.

[Gaia]

Back when I was a kid I used to buy the original stuff. But now you can say that i 'pirate' music onto my ipod. When I'm watching anime I download it or watch it online- totally free.
I know its illegal but I don't feel guilty when I'm downloading music or feel like I'm comitting a crime. I guess its because people are so used to piracy these things that I don't see anything wrong with it -_- But it doesn't really matter because the people who create the stuff originally still get paid alot of money for their creations. And people still buy CD's and pay for the stuff either way, I don't think piracy is that big of an issue right now.

[Zezlar]

I pirate, Saves me cash and I dont feel like paying for lets say a CD for like one song.

[Ringlets]

I only download games that i bought ages ago then lost the CD. I bought it once, why should i do it again?

[hentai_]

I pirate too.It will be always the world's problem. People make game.They want money for the game.People don't have money for the game.They downloaded it from pirate bay. [Oh,isn't it sounds great for my new song?xD]
Until people will get at least 10k pounds per month or games will cost about 10 pounds piracy won't dissapear.

[olorin818]

I pirate too.It will be always the world's problem. People make game.They want money for the game.People don't have money for the game.They downloaded it from pirate bay. [Oh,isn't it sounds great for my new song?xD]
Until people will get at least 10k pounds per month or games will cost about 10 pounds piracy won't dissapear.

games are quite cheap, at least here in UK, usually its not more then 20 something pounds for a games, same with movies and music, but I can imagine that in east europe cauntries the cost in much higher, and this actually prevent people from buying the orignal ones. In poland PS3 original game may cost even up to one-fifht of average salary, Hentai you could have say somthing about it, since you leaving in poland currently.

[hentai_]

What should i say? A prize for new Xbox360/PS3 game is about 249pln which gives 73euro/60pounds/110$ .Nice huh? Playstation 3-1400pln (about 400euro/300pounds/680$)
xbox360 arcade - 800pln (250 euro/200pounds/400$)
Statistic pole earns about 1200-2000 pln[400-700 euro].Great? Nothing more than a beautiful country when rivers are filled with milk and honey...
That is why my father works in Germany...

[olorin818]

What should i say? A prize for new Xbox360/PS3 game is about 249pln which gives 73euro/60pounds/110$ .Nice huh? Playstation 3-1400pln (about 400euro/300pounds/680$)
xbox360 arcade - 800pln (250 euro/200pounds/400$)
Statistic pole earns about 1200-2000 pln[400-700 euro].Great? Nothing more than a beautiful country when rivers are filled with milk and honey...
That is why my father works in Germany...

that is why they create pirate bay innit? ;)

[hentai_]

Guess so ;D I buy games for my PS2 ,because they cost me at most about 30 euro.So it isn't a big deal.

[Misschoco]

but I can imagine that in east europe cauntries the cost in much higher, and this actually prevent people from buying the orignal ones. In poland PS3 original game may cost even up to one-fifht of average salary, Hentai you could have say somthing about it, since you leaving in poland currently.
Bleh true-I tore my hair out when the retail price for mgs4 in Turkey was £90.*die**fail*.

I personally do not download movies games etc from the web.Not due to my conscience but my lazy self cannot be bothered to wait for the download I also prefer original cases which sort of feel like an emblem.
Piracy has become its own sort of industry which is why its 99.9% impossible to diminish it.Piracy claims protecting creativity I.e a directors work basically their film.But its not as if the copier in question in claiming the digital work 'as their own' but in some sense distriuting it in an 'unlicensed way'.Theres also the case that Money generated by piracy is used by gangs of criminals to fund the sale of drugs and guns.Seems a little stereotypical.Its rare to even find a 'good quality'copy of a film for example.People who download illegally will never take onboard industry concerns as they could usually have the idea that the companies are already making a lot of money.People don't see it as a great problem on a social or economic level.

But yeah if someone was distrubuting my games for free I'd be pissed :aldo:

[ArxTheHero]

Piracy is fun. I got my FFVII that way. And then since they are on my laptop, I have them on the go. And if you want old school games you can get them.

[Little Miss Scarlett]

I don't think I've ever actually bought an album, before I could do it myself I'd just ask my Dad to get me it and there it was on the PC. My computer's too crap to get games or DVD's <_<

[Misschoco]

I was waiting for someone to expand on my post-for the sake of an extended debate.

I'll expand on more myself from my previous post.

Completely diminishing illegal ,downloads pirate copies etc would take time and money.If people were educated on how software was put into development then maybe the illegal downloads would be minimised.No im not against illegal downloads myself.Like I give a shit about the profit loss of microsoft.

[The_TragiC_PrincE]

I hate piracy.....I prefer original games.And no pirated machines!

[topgunffx]

me? yea i am a pirate. I pirate everything like dvds, pc games, music, even console games. I have never bought a CD or a DVD nor a PC game or Software, only DVD-Rs heh. I will go to the Movie Theater if i want to see the movie when it first comes out, but i never buy the dvd.

I sometimes feel bad about it, but it doesn't stop me. I mean i could be doing worse things.... I have been pirating stuff since i was like 12.

[karmafive0]

I'm going to go ahead and wrap some tags around this so it doesn't pop up on the internet so easily (my paranoia doesn't work well with the rest of my habits)

Yeah... I tend to steal all of my 'intellectual property'. I personally don't care. I mean, if I made some music or a movie, and there are people willing to go to jail just to see it, fine with me. It's not like they're not getting any money.

I have over 2 terabytes of movies and TV shows (movies average to about 700 MB, and a full TV series averages anywhere from 15-24 GB) and about a month's worth of music (according to iTunes) I also have a few games, however I download the least of these because

1. Macs don't have alot of games, let alone ones worth downloading (I'm still waiting for my Alienware), and
2. No one knows how to play burnt PS3 games yet!:nag:now, there are some games I wouldn't pirate, simply because they're just too good to not own a copy. (for example, GTA IV, MGS4, FF13, etc.) But with mediocre games (which I won't name), why not save a little mulah?
I honestly have no problem pirating stuff. Now when it comes to physically stealing things, that's a whole different story. But let's not get into that.

Anyways, I actually got a call from Comcast saying I had transferred (downloaded and uploaded) over 250 GB in less than a month, and got off with a warning saying they would close our account if we did it again. They said I was in something like the top 1/10 of 1% of all Comcast users when it came to how much bandwidth and storage I used. (They also said I was actually effecting other local user's connections, but I couldn't tell if they were just exaggerating to try and scare me off)

Oh and since we're talking about piracy, a new copy of The Dark Knight just came out and it's amazing quality! (it's a screener, but the lettering is small)
Check this out (http://www.rslinks.org/movies/dark-knight-2008-dvdscr-xvid-optic/) if you can!

So... anyone else out there want to tell us how much you've downloaded?
Don't be ashamed - remember, Sharing is caring! :D

[topgunffx]

wow thanks for the new dark knight links, didn't see those yet haha, that link will probably be taken down off these forums hehe, and as far as how much have i downloaded, i don't really keep track i can tell you that i have downloaded so many things that i can't remember them all

so i would venture to say its in the TB's

[ArxTheHero]

I really only pirate games for the NES, SNES, Nintendo 64, and Gameboy. Mainly because I'm to lazy to look for Playstation.

[karmafive0]

oh. Jeez... I didn't even stop to think about that...
Oops >_<

[Misschoco]

Im still waiting for a debate......

I cant expand on my previous posts anymore.Anyone do me some justice?

[Dream Machine]

:lol: OK then.

Bleh true-I tore my hair out when the retail price for mgs4 in Turkey was £90.*die**fail*.

I personally do not download movies games etc from the web.Not due to my conscience but my lazy self cannot be bothered to wait for the download I also prefer original cases which sort of feel like an emblem.
Piracy has become its own sort of industry which is why its 99.9% impossible to diminish it.Piracy claims protecting creativity I.e a directors work basically their film.But its not as if the copier in question in claiming the digital work 'as their own' but in some sense distriuting it in an 'unlicensed way'.Theres also the case that Money generated by piracy is used by gangs of criminals to fund the sale of drugs and guns.Seems a little stereotypical.Its rare to even find a 'good quality'copy of a film for example.People who download illegally will never take onboard industry concerns as they could usually have the idea that the companies are already making a lot of money.People don't see it as a great problem on a social or economic level.

But yeah if someone was distrubuting my games for free I'd be pissed :aldo:

I think the piracy finds criminals/terrorists argument could only be used for actual physical fake DVD's, games, etc. I think downloading something from a torrent site doesn't make anyone any real money.

One point against the educating the great unwashed masses idea to stop piracy is that, many people would never have bought a game/film/album/etc in the first place. I certainly know I have quite a few albums I would never have bought myself but love now I've been given the chance to *sample* them. I prefer supporting the artists via live shows rather then albums of which most profit goes to record companies anyway.


Completely diminishing illegal ,downloads pirate copies etc would take time and money.If people were educated on how software was put into development then maybe the illegal downloads would be minimised.No im not against illegal downloads myself.Like I give a shit about the profit loss of microsoft.

I don't think illegal downloading can ever be truly stopped (unless they radically change how we use computers and the internet). Ease of downloading information and protection for the internet police may rise and fall in difficulty, but piracy will be around for the foreseeable future, media companies need to work out how to change thier business models rather then crying about it in my opinion.

[karmafive0]

...I don't think illegal downloading can ever be truly stopped (unless they radically change how we use computers and the internet). Ease of downloading information and protection for the internet police may rise and fall in difficulty, but piracy will be around for the foreseeable future, media companies need to work out how to change thier business models rather then crying about it in my opinion.

I agree. But I don't think even the big industries can really do anything about it. Again, we go back to The Dark Knight. The Warner Bros. went through so much trouble to try and stop the pirating of it's movie that I thought it was a joke.
According to The First Post, an online UK magazine, Warner Bros. conducted
"a highly secretive, six-month, multi-million dollar...operation"
in order to prevent piracy.
Now you might be wondering, 'how did they do this?' Well, this is a great story for us pirates so I'd be glad to let you in on it.
Here's a list of things they did to try and prevent piracy, at least in the movie theaters:

-It recorded the details of anyone who had access to the film. (This includes the audience that viewed the screener - which I've already mentioned, has just been released)

-It varied the ways and times it delivered reels of the film to cinemas to confuse potential pirates, and even held one or two reels back until the last moment so that cinemas didn't have a complete movie from which copies could be made.

-In the weeks leading up to the film's release, tech-savvy teams tracked file-sharing sites on the internet for any evidence of pirated copies.

-When the film came out, ushers in every cinema were given night-vision goggles so they could scour the audience for people who might be using camcorders. The tactic caught a member of the audience taping the film at a 9:40am showing in Kansas.

Seriously? Night-vision goggles?? (Yeah.):shifty::ninja:

So, they spent all of that time and money on an anti-piracy campaign, and what did they get out of it?
The first pirated film didn't come out until 38 hours after release.
(whoop-dee-doo):|

If they had to go through all of that trouble just to prevent one film from hitting the internet for 38 hours, how are they going to stop piracy altogether? And that's just for the movie theaters. Once it hits shelves, bye-bye, money.

The only way they could even attempt to take on piracy seriously would be to implement all that 'big-brother' BS across the globe. I mean, remember China during the Olympics? (this had nothing to do with piracy, but...) they simply shut down various internet connections and websites. And there are plenty of ways to override those methods.(By the way, they too wanted to prevent any leaked photography of the opening ceremony, and guess what happened? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/30/leaked-video-of-beijing-o_n_115860.html))

So anyways, if 'big-brother' stepped in (especially in America), screw piracy. They have a whole new problem on their hands. (Democrats, Republicans, Hippies and Liberals United!!:lol:)

By the way, most of this was taken from this (http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/45047,features,did-an-expensive-anti-piracy-drive-guarantee-the-success-of-the-dark-knight,2) link.

[Nox]

http://markshroyer.com/files/piracy.png

^My true response to piracy. >_<

I used to download stuff, but not anymore. :|

[karmafive0]

http://markshroyer.com/files/piracy.png

^My true response to piracy. >_<

I used to download stuff, but not anymore. :|
hahaha I love it!
Oh, and by the way, the first seven minutes (http://www.rslinks.org/movies/dark-knight-prologue-2008-720p-blu-ray-x264-sif/-0) of The Dark Knight came out-on Blu-Ray!! (How? I dunno. Why are you asking me?)

[olorin818]

hahaha I love it!
Oh, and by the way, the first seven minutes (http://www.rslinks.org/movies/dark-knight-prologue-2008-720p-blu-ray-x264-sif/-0) of The Dark Knight came out-on Blu-Ray!! (How? I dunno. Why are you asking me?)

what, where, how? I want this movie on Blue Ray...?!

[dxgirly]

I pirate to preview, but if I really like a CD or a movie I will buy it because I'm such a packrat. I collect things for the sake of having them. I shouldn't be so materialistic, but I am.

I have no shame, however, downloading ridiculously expensive software. Photoshop and Rosetts Stone can kiss my ass. I have thousands of dollars worth of it on my computer, and I could never afford it otherwise

[Dream Machine]

I pirate to preview, but if I really like a CD or a movie I will buy it because I'm such a packrat. I collect things for the sake of having them. I shouldn't be so materialistic, but I am.

I have no shame, however, downloading ridiculously expensive software. Photoshop and Rosetts Stone can kiss my ass. I have thousands of dollars worth of it on my computer, and I could never afford it otherwise

Therein lies the rub. A lot of pirated material would never get bought as people don't have the cash, so are they really losing potential sales? I've heard that Photoshop doesn't mind piracy as it enables them to be the market leaders (everyone downloads Photoshop, has the biggest market share, businesses then legitimately buy the program).

[karmafive0]

Therein lies the rub. A lot of pirated material would never get bought as people don't have the cash, so are they really losing potential sales? I've heard that Photoshop doesn't mind piracy as it enables them to be the market leaders (everyone downloads Photoshop, has the biggest market share, businesses then legitimately buy the program).

good point. and yeah i think the only things worth buying are the best of the best (fellow packrat, too, dxgirly :D) eg. GTA IV, MGS4, MGS4 soundtrack (I dl-ed it and then bought it online) Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, The Dark Knight (how many times will I mention TDK in this thread??:rolleyes:) and a few others.

[Misschoco]

:lol: OK then.

I think the piracy finds criminals/terrorists argument could only be used for actual physical fake DVD's, games, etc. I think downloading something from a torrent site doesn't make anyone any real money.

I don't think illegal downloading can ever be truly stopped (unless they radically change how we use computers and the internet). Ease of downloading information and protection for the internet police may rise and fall in difficulty, but piracy will be around for the foreseeable future, media companies need to work out how to change thier business models rather then crying about it in my opinion.
Hell yez I would kiss you as a thank you :aldo:

It seems a little unconvincing that all profits from pirates are used for organised crimes-The main exception being torrent download sites which arent really hosted by gangsters.But only a portal to exchange data-I'e music movies etc.

0.001% chance of eradicating illegal downloads-Otherwise gtfo.The cost of eradicating illegal downloads would probably outdo the amount companies loss in profits to illegal downloads.Maybe the figure im estimating is beyond the actual amount.


-It recorded the details of anyone who had access to the film. (This includes the audience that viewed the screener - which I've already mentioned, has just been released)

-It varied the ways and times it delivered reels of the film to cinemas to confuse potential pirates, and even held one or two reels back until the last moment so that cinemas didn't have a complete movie from which copies could be made.

-In the weeks leading up to the film's release, tech-savvy teams tracked file-sharing sites on the internet for any evidence of pirated copies.

-When the film came out, ushers in every cinema were given night-vision goggles so they could scour the audience for people who might be using camcorders. The tactic caught a member of the audience taping the film at a 9:40am showing in Kansas.[/spoiler]





Recording the data of the audience could pose data protection/privacy issues and shiz.'Oh noes someones stolen my name' etc.

[karmafive0]

Hell yez I would kiss you as a thank you :aldo:
Recording the data of the audience could pose data protection/privacy issues and shiz.'Oh noes someones stolen my name' etc.

Actually, they do it all the time. Remember, the screener is only viewed by a limited audience. This makes sense because these people actually get a physical copy of the movie. And those are usually the copies to hit the internet since their quality is so much better.

[iNviD]

Go down and read the article about spore, truly unbelievable how many people have pirated the game.

http://www.1up.com/do/news?ct=NEWS

[olorin818]

Go down and read the article about spore, truly unbelievable how many people have pirated the game.

http://www.1up.com/do/news?ct=NEWS

I have read a short article about SPORE in METRO dwo days ago, its riddicioulus, and I think its just the bigining, we'll be seeing more games like that soon. I hope it wont kill the PC gaming.

[ZenTzen]

PC gaming is doomed, if the company's don't find better ideas to prevent piracy it'll never stop:awesome:

[The Lightning]

I personally thing Piracy is wrong and people should just go purchase the software/video/audio content they are pirating. Look, we even have digital downloads now a days so there is no excuse for piracy being easier. I, however, do also believe that if there is no way to find the content and purchase it legally, mainly because they stopped making it, then I believe it should be allowed so that said content can be enjoyed by a newer audience.

I have downloaded a game once, but that was due to the fact that the game was from 2000/2001 and it isn't available for purchase anymore. Places that have it are actually selling "bootleg" versions of it claiming you don't need a CD which the game did require. This means they were using cracks.