Only one main series title this generation?

[Josh]

A console generation usually lasts somewhere between four or five years, with exceptions of course. The Xbox 360 was released in 2005, with the PlayStation 3's release following a year later in 2006.

With that in mind, we're already between two and three years into the current generation of gaming; we're already starting to see the next generation starting to creep upon us. Nintendo have recently announced that they are looking into developing a new, next generation console; whilst Microsoft have been working on the "Xbox 720" for a while now.

Prior to the PlayStation 3's European release, Sony also stated that they'd like to have their next generation console released sometime around 2010. Saying that, the next generation is really starting to close in on us.

Final Fantasy XIII will be coming out in presumabley late 2009, probably 2010 in North America and Europe. So what do you think, will Final Fantasy XIII be the only main series title to hit the current generation of consoles?

Will Final Fantasy XIV be heading to the PS4 or Xbox 720?

[Ukoku]

So what do you think, will Final Fantasy XIII be the only main series title to hit the current generation of consoles?
If you're excluding Versus XIII when you say that, then no. And even if Sony releases a new console in 2010(which I kinda doubt), they could still produce FF games for the PS3 or 360.

[Xion]

I think your looking into the past a bit too much..Microsoft says they want to extend this Cycle as far as possible, and Sony has a 10 year plan..this doesnt mean they wont be releasing their next console in the meantime tho..but remember, Final Fantasy X didnt release until about as far into the PS3 life cycle as it is now, and yet there was still FFX-2, FFXI and FFXII in additon to a number of other Final Fantasy titles and Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2...Square took on alot of projects and the pickings have been slim, but ist all about to change very soon, Games are going to start rolling out, so i would expect that the next main installment will be this gen and i would expect to have it announced perhaps in 2010..i wouldnt expect the next generation to begin yet..maybe around 2012 or 2013 the next gen consoles will be announced, but they still wont launch until later. Plenty of time to release an addtional 2 titles

[Josh]

Yeah, I don't really count Final Fantasy Versus XIII as a main series title. I count it as part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis compilation, only XIII is a main series title imo.

I'm a little doubtful that Sony will release a new console in 2010, but after the PS3's poor launch back in 2007; they said that it was their plan. Considering sales are picking up, that plan has most likely been thrown out of the window.

I don't see why Square Enix would do that though, that would be like Square Enix deciding to release Final Fantasy XIII on the PS2 during the current generation.

[Xion]

I don't see why Square Enix would do that though, that would be like Square Enix deciding to release Final Fantasy XIII on the PS2 during the current generation.


except that's exactly what they were going to do...FFXIII was being developed for the PS2 originally with complete knowledge that the 360 was releasing very soon and the PS3 soon after that

[Josh]

except that's exactly what they were going to do...FFXIII was being developed for the PS2 originally with complete knowledge that the 360 was releasing very soon and the PS3 soon after that
I know that, but in the end Square Enix did chose to make the jump to the PlayStation 3. At that stage in the console market, it was impossible to predict the PlayStation 3's success; I think that everyone - including Square Enix and Sony believed that the console would share in the PS2's glory.

Due to this, I don't even think that Square Enix took a FFXIII/Xbox 360 release into account. At that point in time, it was most likely a "Why break the habit of a lifetime?" situation.

[Xion]

Yes they made the jump to PS3..but it doesnt negate the fact that they started development on PS2 despite knowing the next gen was right around the corner..that shows that it was the advent of possibilites on next gen hardware that led them to move development over, and not the desire to do so. They were obviously just as content in making it for PS2 with the experience they had and raking in the cash from the humongous install base.

[Adam Blade]

Versus isn't the Core game. Not a spin-off either. XIII is the core game. Total BS on the Game Spot article (That's not happening). I think there will be only 2.. XIII and XIV for the PS3.. or they could just continue developing games for PS3 even after PS4 is out.

[-Solid_Rain-]

i honestly think the ps3 will be around for a while longer. even if the xbox "720" comes out, it will still probably only be on par with the ps3's hardware anyway. no one need more that 1080p and 7 processors, at least for few more years(6?).

[Xion]

i honestly think the ps3 will be around for a while longer. even if the xbox "720" comes out, it will still probably only be on par with the ps3's hardware anyway. no one need more that 1080p and 7 processors, at least for few more years(6?).


you underestimate the Speed in which technology advances..if a new Gen Xbox were to be released withing the next 2 years, it would no doubt be far more powerful than the PS3.

[-Solid_Rain-]

you underestimate the Speed in which technology advances..if a new Gen Xbox were to be released withing the next 2 years, it would no doubt be far more powerful than the PS3.

"IF" microsoft decides to spend as much time and money as Sony did when creating the ps3. but i also think we are going to be coming up on a plateau soon. i mean how much better can games or consoles get, without starting a new era of gaming. ie virtual or something like it.

[Xion]

"IF" microsoft decides to spend as much time and money as Sony did when creating the ps3. but i also think we are going to be coming up on a plateau soon. i mean how much better can games or consoles get, without starting a new era of gaming. ie virtual or something like it.


you overestimate the power of the PS3..the PS3 has 2 main factors that put it ahead of the 360, that's Blu Ray, and a standard Hard Drive..other than that, the 2 consoles are comporable in power..Today, it really wouldnt take much from Microsoft to create a console that is far more powerful than the PS3. I could Build a PC right now that could trounce the PS3 in every way. Microsoft could decide to be really ambitious and create a monster machine, they wont ofcourse, they are more interesting in creating something a little bit more short term and profitable.

[-Solid_Rain-]

you overestimate the power of the PS3..the PS3 has 2 main factors that put it ahead of the 360, that's Blu Ray, and a standard Hard Drive..other than that, the 2 consoles are comporable in power..Today, it really wouldnt take much from Microsoft to create a console that is far more powerful than the PS3. I could Build a PC right now that could trounce the PS3 in every way. Microsoft could decide to be really ambitious and create a monster machine, they wont ofcourse, they are more interesting in creating something a little bit more short term and profitable.

first off, if you look at everything based off of "i could make my pc way better than a console", than its always gonna be better. even if a next gen comes out right now, in a couple months you could make a better pc.
I don't like to battle facts about consoles, but doesn't the cell processor and all its bandwidth make it a better system for future games? like ones of greater gameplay and graphics than the ones we have now.

im not trying to be a fanboy. i actually own a 360. don't like it much though.

[-Tidus4]

i recon the next xbox is going to be the one dominating in first place. however i don't really know what to expect from sony anymore since they didn't do the best this gen. Ofcourse i could always be surprised but i recon i'll be getting the next xbox.

The ps3's cell processor is better. But i'm sure if they released a new xbox anytime soon it will be superior to the ps3.

FFvs13 isn't a core game? Why because it's called "versus 13" or because It's being created by Nomura? Core or not i'm simply happy with just having the 2 ff13 games for this gen, even though i recon there will be a ff14.
PS i actually recon vs13 looks more of a core FF than FF13.

[Xion]

first off, if you look at everything based off of "i could make my pc way better than a console", than its always gonna be better. even if a next gen comes out right now, in a couple months you could make a better pc.
I don't like to battle facts about consoles, but doesn't the cell processor and all its bandwidth make it a better system for future games? like ones of greater gameplay and graphics than the ones we have now.

im not trying to be a fanboy. i actually own a 360. don't like it much though.


im certainly not trying to battle you tho, but like i said, If microsoft were to make a new console now, it would be beyond the PS3, thats really the only point i was trying to make. and im shure you got that.

as for the PS3, its advantage is Blu-ray, like i said. The hardware itself is not in fact superior to the 360, but its ability to read Blu Ray discs is what gives it the capability to do things that would be more difficult than worth on the 360..but keep in mind, the most powerful console is not guaranteed to be the winner of the console war, just look at the last gen..the xbox was FAR more powerful and capable than the PS2, yet that meant absolutely nothing.

[-Solid_Rain-]

okay. i guess we could stare off into the distance at wii as well.
i only thought that the processor and graphics "were" actually better. but then again, i don't exactly know whats in the 360. also the fact of 1080p vs 720p, but it doesn't make a seeable diff unless you have a 60+ inch tv.

is there any chance you have the info on the hardware of these two.

[Adam Blade]

i recon the next xbox is going to be the one dominating in first place. however i don't really know what to expect from sony anymore since they didn't do the best this gen. Ofcourse i could always be surprised but i recon i'll be getting the next xbox.

The ps3's cell processor is better. But i'm sure if they released a new xbox anytime soon it will be superior to the ps3.

FFvs13 isn't a core game? Why because it's called "versus 13" or because It's being created by Nomura? Core or not i'm simply happy with just having the 2 ff13 games for this gen, even though i recon there will be a ff14.
PS i actually recon vs13 looks more of a core FF than FF13.

PS3's still got lots of time. It's only it's 2nd year.

Versus isn't the Core game but it's not a spin-off either. It's just a game in FNC. XIII is the Core game but yeah the 2 games are fine this gen.

[Xion]

okay. i guess we could stare off into the distance at wii as well.
i only thought that the processor and graphics "were" actually better. but then again, i don't exactly know whats in the 360. also the fact of 1080p vs 720p, but it doesn't make a seeable diff unless you have a 60+ inch tv.

is there any chance you have the info on the hardware of these two.

perhaps you dont know this, but both the PS3 and the 360 are capable of 1080P display and both have HDMI ports.

Ill put it as simply as possible..The PS3 is very different from the norm, the 360 is very much the norm..If you were to dedicate yourself to the PS3 and make something designed specifically for it, you could create something of grander scale..To do the same on 360 would require slight sacrifice. However, such "Scale" is still beyond the ambitions of most developers who only have a finite amount of time to actually make a game, so they find the 360 is more than capable for them. This leads into my second interpretation. The PS3 would require much more hard work and dedication to do something that would be fairly easy in comparison on 360. thats really the main jist of it.

This guy is an expert on this, just watch the interview, he discusses the consoles and their differences

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112

[-Solid_Rain-]

okay, i see what you get at, and agree.
only one thing that i have to say that will hopefully keep your mind open. he obviously likes programing a game for 360 more. which means he is used to and is a master in c++ and variations of it. who wouldn't like the "normal" structure better if they know it so well.
now what about the plp who have spent these past couple years mastering the programing(name?) of ps3. i don't have an article or video, i read somewhere that those guys like the ps3 format better, it just took time to learn and get used to.

i do understand what you were saying, and agree. but there is always another side to a story.

[Xion]

okay, i see what you get at, and agree.
only one thing that i have to say that will hopefully keep your mind open. he obviously likes programing a game for 360 more. which means he is used to and is a master in c++ and variations of it. who wouldn't like the "normal" structure better if they know it so well.
now what about the plp who have spent these past couple years mastering the programing(name?) of ps3. i don't have an article or video, i read somewhere that those guys like the ps3 format better, it just took time to learn and get used to.

i do understand what you were saying, and agree. but there is always another side to a story.


certainly, and i am shurely not one to look at things through only one eye...like i said

"If you were to dedicate yourself to the PS3 and make something designed specifically for it, you could create something of grander scale..To do the same on 360 would require slight sacrifice"

it stands to reason that if you were to create a game specifically for one hardware, you could take into account its advantages and do things that you may not have been able to do on other hardware..and thats true for people working on both 360 and ps3, both have advantages and disadvantages...people just need to stop arguing over which is better, and just enjoy their games :P

[-Solid_Rain-]

sorry, i didn't mean you were keeping to one side. i was saying the programmer had a bias. and i was just trying to keep an open mind.

back to what i forgot to include earlier. i merely meant/thought that a ps3 game at full potential vs a 360 game at full potential, should be better. but it doesn't matter anyway, since is what should make a game great is its story line and development. thats y some ps1 and ps2 games are still better than most stuff out now.
or nintendo, or xbox.


people just need to stop arguing over which is better, and just enjoy their games :P

agreed.

[Shock]

In my opinion PS3 has a 10 year plan, so I think they will probably stick to that plan because what is the point of building a new console if this one didn't even have that much games coming out yet. I highly doubt that Sony will release another console until at least 2013 (having in mind the PS2 which lasted for 6 years). Even if Wii releases it's next gen console who knows if the graphics will be as good as the PS3 an the Xbox 360. They all need time to replenish themselves.

[Zeroedged]

Just to throw my opinion on the whole 360 vs ps3 nonsense.

I agree that they are basicly equally powerful. The only game I know that looks better on the PS3 for sure is elder scrolls oblivion which is pretty old now so I'm not even sure if it counts. I also think bluray give its alittle bit of an improvement but not that much cause the people who made that ratchet and clank game for the ps3 said they went over the space limit for a bluray disc (which is silly to me).

Really at this point the deciding factor should be the kinds of games you play and which interface you like more (or if you watch a lot of bluray movies). I personally prefer the PS3 more because it's interface is smoother, easier to navigate, and looks cooler.

If a game comes out on both just buy it for whatever system you play most, it's not that hard.

back on topic!

Hell no this will not be the only core game for the ps3. They're starting to develop a way to improve the hardware and system software through downloads anyway (although that will take a long time). PS3 will be a 10 year system if not longer, if you think about it what took them so long to make these games was partly because they developed their own engine from scratch. Plus the ps2 is still getting games made.

I do think vsXIII is a core game, because it isn't a sequal, it's not a spin off, so what the hell is it. It's a core game (they could have easily just as called it 14 the only similarity it has is the whole crystal mythology, and every final fantasy has crystals in one form or another). The could have just said the whole FNC compilation was games ex. 13-16 or something they don't have to have the same name to be a compilation.

[-Solid_Rain-]

sorry its off-topic,
i have the R&C game, there is no way they went over the limit. i mean the game is sweet and all, but its not that long. and the level "that" huge. if they went over, then im already sorely disappointed in the new ff game. i would say even XII had more storage used up than R&C, not to mention MGS IV. My guess is they used it as an excuse for not finishing the whole story in the first game. so it wouldn't be delayed.
sorry about being off-topic, i just had to say somethin about ratchet and the storage thing.

[Zeroedged]

No the final game didn't use all of it (they decided to take stuff out, or had too). Also you have to remember that it was one of the first games for PS3 which means they didn't know what the hell they were doing. So it's no surprise they probably wasted space when they didn't need too. I think they said something along the lines of still working out the coding so it ended up taking more space than needed. Now that games are being made using the correct coding format and not taking up space things will improve (it's not like developers keep secrets from each other).

[Josh]

In my opinion PS3 has a 10 year plan, so I think they will probably stick to that plan because what is the point of building a new console if this one didn't even have that much games coming out yet. I highly doubt that Sony will release another console until at least 2013 (having in mind the PS2 which lasted for 6 years).
http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/08/04/rumour-looming-ps4-cycle-was-real-reason-for-harrisons-departure-from-sony/

O Rly? ^_^

[-Tidus4]

Josh those kinda of rumours are always around. You believe anything anyone says?

Doesn't matter if they start development for ps4 now or later. it still doesn't mean the ps3 won't have a 10 year plan.

[Josh]

The chances are that it's true, if Nintendo and Microsoft have already started developing their next generation consoles; then it only makes sence that Sony would do the same.

I believe something if there is a credible reason for it to be believed, and in this case there is.

[Zeroedged]

Even if they all started making new systems already. They are just in the planning stages it isn't like they just start making it. The PS3 will be out for at least as long as the PS2 so it will have more than one core game (and whether people think it is or not versus is technically it's own core game).

I get the feeling that the way you see it is that if they start making the PS4 now the PS3 is already gone. Which doesn't make sense, it will take years to make a system that's big enough of an improvement to be called next gen again, and then years to release it. The earliest we'll even see a new system is probably 2012.

[Josh]

Even if they all started making new systems already. They are just in the planning stages it isn't like they just start making it. The PS3 will be out for at least as long as the PS2 so it will have more than one core game (and whether people think it is or not versus is technically it's own core game).
If Versus was a core game, then it wouldn't be part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis compilation.

If Versus was a core game, it would be called Final Fantasy XIV.

[Zeroedged]

like I said earlier they could of just as easily said FNC compilation was games 13-16 they don't have to have the same number to be a compilation. If versus isn't it's own core game then you could just as easily say XIII isn't because it is also part of said compilation. Versus has nothing to do with XIII except for a number.

I'm gonna make this simple and say Fabula Nova Crystallis in general is the core Game(s). Seriously Just because Versus and Agito aren't called 14 and 15 doesn't mean they aren't core. They are both part of the normal Final Fantasy line, They just decided to put the games into a compilation. or something...

[Josh]

like I said earlier they could of just as easily said FNC compilation was games 13-16 they don't have to have the same number to be a compilation. If versus isn't it's own core game then you could just as easily say XIII isn't because it is also part of said compilation. Versus has nothing to do with XIII except for a number.

I'm gonna make this simple and say Fabula Nova Crystallis in general is the core Game(s). Seriously Just because Versus and Agito aren't called 14 and 15 doesn't mean they aren't core. They are both part of the normal Final Fantasy line, They just decided to put the games into a compilation. or something...
So are Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII, Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus core games? I think not.

[Zeroedged]

no they aren't because they are sequels and spin offs >_> I really don't see what you're not getting. The FF7 compilation has one core game 7. That is only because the others have to do directly with 7.

The FNC compilation I see it as every game is it's own core game, because they have nothing to do with each other except for a number and a mythology. Plus it can't be a spin off unless uhh something came before it to spin off of. Since 13 and vs13 were announced I think at the same time it can't be a spin off.

[-Solid_Rain-]

zero is right on this one. think of the FNC series as a core series. each game was made to be an original FF game, just tied together with a myth.
going by your reasoning, FF XII would be a "spin-off" of I and (what was it?)tactics. "ivalice"

[Zeroedged]

Thank you I was just about to use that example.

[Josh]

no they aren't because they are sequels and spin offs >_> I really don't see what you're not getting. The FF7 compilation has one core game 7. That is only because the others have to do directly with 7.
That's a fair point, I chose a bad example. I suppose we'll just have to leave it down to opinion, I definitely; by no means consider Final Fantasy Agito XIII as a main series title.

Fabula Nova Crystallis is basically the "Compilation of Final Fantasy XIII", and because of this I can't say that any title other than Final Fantasy XIII is a main series title. Like I said though, that's just my opinion.

To get back on topic, excluding any other FNC titles; do you think they'll be another main series title (Final Fantasy XIV) during the current generation?

[-Solid_Rain-]

well no one could know for sure. but with any knowledge of consoles and the new crystal tools engine, they wouldn't spend all that time and money on an engine to not use in in the next 5-6 years. depending how many titles are in the FNC series, there should deff be a XIV.

[Zeroedged]

yes yes I do the new system won't be out for a long time, at least long enough for 14 to come out. then again, since FNC is supposed to have more than 3 games one of the other games (if there not movies or something) could come out on the PS3. So I say just wait and see I'm sure another final fantasy game will come out but who knows.

[-Tidus4]

All three of them are core games... It doesn't make sense, are you trying to say FF13 will be the main and the other two are just going to be a spin off of ff13? or like half has long? because that's not how it's going to be.

[Josh]

well no one could know for sure. but with any knowledge of consoles and the new crystal tools engine, they wouldn't spend all that time and money on an engine to not use in in the next 5-6 years. depending how many titles are in the FNC series, there should deff be a XIV.
Well, Square Enix originally stated that they would like the Fabula Nova Crystallis compilation to last for the next ten years - so it definitely wouldn't be going to waste. Furthermore, there's nothing to suggest that Square Enix are only going to use Crystal Tools on the FNC compilation; it could be used for Final Fantasy XIV.

yes yes I do the new system won't be out for a long time, at least long enough for 14 to come out. then again, since FNC is supposed to have more than 3 games one of the other games (if there not movies or something) could come out on the PS3. So I say just wait and see I'm sure another final fantasy game will come out but who knows.
If FFXII and FFXIII's development processes are anything to go by, we could be waiting at least another five years before we see another Final Fantasy title that isn't part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis compilation.

All three of them are core games... It doesn't make sense, are you trying to say FF13 will be the main and the other two are just going to be a spin off of ff13? or like half has long? because that's not how it's going to be.
Yes, I am trying to say that Final Fantasy XIII will be the main title in the FNC compilation.

I know that, it's a compilation though. Final Fantasy Versus XIII and Final Fantasy Agito XIII are spin-offs of Final Fantasy XIII.

They will be using the same themes that are prodominent in Final Fantasy XIII, just not the same characters or world. Imo, that's a spin-off.

I suppose you could say that Fabula Nova Crystallis is the thirteenth "core" title, but I'm defintely not going to agree with the opinion that Final Fantasy Versus XIII is Final Fantasy XIV; because it's not. Otherwise they would've called it that, there is a reason Square Enix named it XIII.

[-Solid_Rain-]

All three of them are core games... It doesn't make sense, are you trying to say FF13 will be the main and the other two are just going to be a spin off of ff13? or like half has long? because that's not how it's going to be.

i don't understand what side your on? "was the all three of them are core games" supposed to be quote?

i like to think of this FNC series as a new step in FF games. something new and not done before. so who's to say what core games are anymore? unless you only use a constant, ie its a spin-off if it was announced and came out after one with a similar name. or its only core if it has the exact FF # name and thats it.

we should make up soem rules. maybe i'll start a thread on it.

[Xion]

Versus XIII is not a core Series title..Nomura has been taking liberties with the game for exactly this fact..a "Core" series title is the one with the next numeral in the title, this being X, XI, XII, XIII, ect..Versus XIII is considered a spin off..you also have to take into accout the fact that Versus XIII is not an RPG, but an Action RPG..meaning it is more remanicent of Kingdom Hearts or Mass Effect than Final Fantasy itself..they can take any liberty they want, dont even have to have summons and airships (although technically they dont have to in a core game either) but there is allways a different expectation from the core series..

its really not a difficult thing to understand..anything thats not Final Fantasy XIII is not one of the core series but a spin off or expansion...im not saying that other XIII games are any less than XIII itself, im simply stating that FFXIII is the next direct "Final Fantasy" and the othere titles are not seen in the same light.

[-Solid_Rain-]

Well, Square Enix originally stated that they would like the Fabula Nova Crystallis compilation to last for the next ten years - so it definitely wouldn't be going to waste. Furthermore, there's nothing to suggest that Square Enix are only going to use Crystal Tools on the FNC compilation; it could be used for Final Fantasy XIV.


i didn't say anywhere that it was only for FF, i was saying they would put all the effort and money into and engine that they are not going to use "fully" for (x#?)years to come. nothing about "only FF".


Xion-Expansion is a very good word for it. but like i said earlier, then wouldn't tactics and XII count as extensions to FF I? even if XII has "core" name. has any Square employee said that its only a core game if the name is FF (#)?

[Josh]

i didn't say anywhere that it was only for FF, i was saying they would put all the effort and money into and engine that they are not going to use "fully" for (x#?)years to come. nothing about "only FF".
I think you misunderstood me, what I meant it that Square Enix could easily use the Crystal Tools engine on games that are totally unrelated to Final Fantasy XIII. Just because it's named Crystal Tools, it can still be used with other titles meaning that Square Enix will be able to fully use it in the future.

Xion-Expansion is a very good word for it. but like i said earlier, then wouldn't tactics and XII count as extensions to FF I?
I don't see the relation between Final Fantasy XII, Tactics and Final Fantasy I... I know that the FFXII and Tactics are set in Ivalice, but how do they count as expansions of Final Fantasy I?

Oh and, Final Fantasy XII is the main series title in the Ivalice Alliance. Tactics and Vagrant Story are spin-offs that are part of the Ivalice Alliance.

[-Solid_Rain-]

I think you misunderstood me, what I meant it that Square Enix could easily use the Crystal Tools engine on games that are totally unrelated to Final Fantasy XIII. Just because it's named Crystal Tools, it can still be used with other titles meaning that Square Enix will be able to fully use it in the future.


I don't see the relation between Final Fantasy XII, Tactics and Final Fantasy I... I know that the FFXII and Tactics are set in Ivalice, but how do they count as expansions of Final Fantasy I?

Oh and, Final Fantasy XII is the main series title in the Ivalice Alliance. Tactics and Vagrant Story are spin-offs that are part of the Ivalice Alliance.


First Quote: No Shit. thats common knowledge and i didn't limit any of it in my post.

Second: all i was trying to point out was just because a game has similarities in, world, myth, etc. doesn't mean it can't be a core game. and as ask before; has any employee stated that a "core game has to have that same type of name? vs? some plp don't call XI a core game and that has the same name.

[Zeroedged]

... how can tactics be a spin off of 12 when 12 came out after if anything 12 is a spin off of all the ivalice games before it.

[Xion]

XI is part of the main series,. it shouldnt be, but Square just had to give it the XI title....look, there is nothing saying that a related game cant be one of the core series..as you said, Tactics and FFXII both take place in Ivalice and have similar themes and characters..the difference is Tactics is not part of the main series, and FFXII is. Its not about timeline worlds or plots, its completely depandant on the title,,if its just a numerical title, its one of the main series. if its not, then its a spin off title.

[Josh]

... how can tactics be a spin off of 12 when 12 came out after if anything 12 is a spin off of all the ivalice games before it.
That's why I said that they're a spin-off of the Ivalice Alliance. ;) Read the post before you reply.

Final Fantasy XII is a core title, Tactics isn't. It's set in the same world, it's just not the figure head of the compilation like Final Fantasy XII is. Therefore it's a spin-off.

[-Tidus4]

Like solid rain stated how are you so sure that just because it isn't FF14 it's a spin off? did SE say something i missed?

[Xion]

lets put it this way, if you were to creat a line out of this, like a familiy tree..Final Fantasy I-XII would be one after the other in a direct line, Tactics, Crystal Chronicles, and others like X-2, Versus and Agito, Advent Children, Revenant Wings, The after ect would be on the side.

[-Solid_Rain-]

That's why I said that they're a spin-off of the Ivalice Alliance. ;) Read the post before you reply.

Final Fantasy XII is a core title, Tactics isn't. It's set in the same world, it's just not the figure head of the compilation like Final Fantasy XII is. Therefore it's a spin-off.


okay, i understand what is being said. also remember FF I when writing though. that was my main point, tactics was just part of the ex. so like versus is basically the same as XII when compared to XIII. it just has a VS in the title. all im saying is the fact that a "vs" is in the title shouldn't make it "some spin-off or expansion" that isn't a part of the Final Fantasy "original series".

[Josh]

Like solid rain stated how are you so sure that just because it isn't FF14 it's a spin off? did SE say something i missed?
If it's not Final Fantasy XIV then it's a spin-off.

If you honestly believe that Final Fantasy Versus XIII is Final Fantasy XIV, then you'll have to believe that once Square Enix are done with Fabula Nova Crystallis compilation; that they'll skip out Final Fantasy XIV and go straight to releasing Final Fantasy XVI.

Somehow I doubt that, eventually Square Enix will make a Final Fantasy titled Final Fantasy XIV. You'll see. ;)

[Zeroedged]

I think the tree would be more like this 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-(FNC)-so on... the 7 spin offs can go out of 7 but in no way are the FNC games spin offs of each other you have to have something before to spin off of. Also 12 and the other ivalice can go together but I guess I would consider 12 the core game if all were saying is that it has a number (which in my opinion is stupid).

I think it would just be easy to say the whole FNC compilation is the core game, who knows they might even just keep doing compilations for each game.

[-Solid_Rain-]

lets put it this way, if you were to creat a line out of this, like a familiy tree..Final Fantasy I-XII would be one after the other in a direct line, Tactics, Crystal Chronicles, and others like X-2, Versus and Agito, Advent Children, Revenant Wings, The after ect would be on the side.


and i said that it seems square is trying something new. not like the the previous 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,etc. line. so the tree part is a good example, but new factors have been added.



ha, he got to it before me.

[Zeroedged]

I think we should just agree that it isn't a core game, but it isn't a spin off either. It's some new form of game XD. Plus it is way closer to being a core game than a spin off any way.

[-Tidus4]

josh just because it's not called FFXIV doesn't make it a spin off. you were telling me about Not stating my opinion as a fact when you're here doing the exact same thing. It's your opinion that you think FFvs13 is a Spin off since it's not called FFXIV.

[Xion]

okay FFV XIII and Agito are not Spin offs of FFXIII., because they are NOT RELATED..the thing is i cant find another apropriate word for them..

FNC is not "Final Fantasy XIII" the entire compilation is not a series title, just like "Compilation of Final Fantasy VII" is a compilation of games/products under the Final Fantasy VII banner..the same is true with Fabula Nova Crystallis..i wish it was easier to explain, and you can blame Square for their crazy ideas..but Final Fantasy XIII is the next main series installment, and then it will be Final Fantasy XIV, folowed by Final Fantasy XV...the other XIII games are part of the FNC Compilation, not the main final fantasy series.

[-Solid_Rain-]

you had a good word for it before

Expansion.

i was just putting in the fact that it hasn't been publicly stated that versus counts or doesn't count as a core game.
if anyone has that article, i will agree with you. im sure its out there, it always is.

[Xion]

you had a good word for it before

Expansion.

i was just putting in the fact that it hasn't been publicly stated that versus counts or doesn't count as a core game.
if anyone has that article, i will agree with you. im sure its out there, it always is.


well the thing is Expansion isnt the right word either..the correct word is Compilation but no one seems to understand what that means either...the fact remains, Final Fantasy XIII is the main series game, it should be implied by the title, i dont see why anyone would even need an explenation..but alas, its allways refered to as the "Main" game.

[-Tidus4]

expansion? so FFvs13 & Agito 13 are just expansions? I don't think FFvs13/Agito are going to be the carrying on version of FF13. They are very different and full games.

You make sense xion but It still cannot be a spin off because these games are totally different from each other. Don't call them core but don't call them spin offs either. Lets make a decent word for them?

[-Solid_Rain-]

well the thing is Expansion isnt the right word either..the correct word is Compilation but no one seems to understand what that means either...the fact remains, Final Fantasy XIII is the main series game, it should be implied by the title, i dont see why anyone would even need an explenation..but alas, its allways refered to as the "Main" game.


i see what you mean by compilation. but i think its just to hard to comprehend when VII is called a compilation. you have to admit that VII & XIII don't use compilation in the same context.

[Xion]

expansion? so FFvs13 & Agito 13 are just expansions? I don't think FFvs13/Agito are going to be the carrying on version of FF13. They are very different and full games.

You make sense xion but It still cannot be a spin off because these games are totally different from each other. Don't call them core but don't call them spin offs either. Lets make a decent word for them?


The word we use is "Compilation Titles"

Final Fantasy VII has a compilation thats still active today, its called "Compilation of Final Fantasy VII" and there is also a third Compilation called the "Ivalice Alliance"....Square decided to have a Compilation for FFXIII as a way to celebrate both the 20th anniversary of the series, and the fact that the series itself has reached number XIII. Again, i dont understand the confusion between having a title with the Final Fantasy name, and the Final Fantasy series itself.

There are entire Spin Off series that bear the Final Fantasy name, Final Fantasy Fables, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Final Fantasy Tactics...they are all games with the Final Fantasy Title, but are not regarded as being part of the main Final Fantasy Series, that being Final Fantasy I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII, and XIII.

anything outside of the main numbered series is either a spin off, or compilation title. And remember its not exclusively games, as there have been Anime's and Movies aswell in the Final Fantasy VII Compilation, and there will also be as part of the Fabula Nova Crystalis Compilation.

@ Solid- The VII and XIII Compilations are exactly the same thing..Games, Movies, Anime's EXT.

[-Tidus4]

yes that makes sense, the only reason i got the wrong idea was because Josh was calling them spin offs. FFvs13 and Agito arn't related story wise (as they have stated for now) and gameplay is completely different there for they can't be spin offs or Expansions. But them having "vs" and "Agito" before the thirteen shows that FF13 is the main game but it stil doesn't make the others spin offs. So compilation titles they are then.

[Zeroedged]

okay FFV XIII and Agito are not Spin offs of FFXIII., because they are NOT RELATED..the thing is i cant find another apropriate word for them..

FNC is not "Final Fantasy XIII" the entire compilation is not a series title, just like "Compilation of Final Fantasy VII" is a compilation of games/products under the Final Fantasy VII banner..the same is true with Fabula Nova Crystallis..i wish it was easier to explain, and you can blame Square for their crazy ideas..but Final Fantasy XIII is the next main series installment, and then it will be Final Fantasy XIV, folowed by Final Fantasy XV...the other XIII games are part of the FNC Compilation, not the main final fantasy series.


and FF13 is part of FNC so basiclly FF13 isn't a part of the main series or the whole compilation is apart of the main series. you can't say that FF13 isn't apart of FNC that's just stupid.

The way I look at it is the whole compilation is the new game, no one ever said the others were spin offs because they aren't. I'm just gonna call them "games" and be done with it. Core or spin off, they are just games that are apart of this compilation. I'm pretty sure everyone knows what a compilation is >_> it's a collection of similar things. Even if the only similarity is a number and a myth.

[-Solid_Rain-]

@ Solid- The VII and XIII Compilations are exactly the same thing..Games, Movies, Anime's EXT.


i meant it by the fact that VII was released and then, because it was popular, created a number of other games as snip-off's of characters and expansions to the story.

and now XIII is coming out, but at the same time and not necessarily related too(besides myth) is vsXIII, agito. maybe the unannounced FNC games will be related, but as of now i would classify vsXIII as something different than a compilation like VII.
i would lean towards it as a core game, but of possibly a new core line.

if you don't get what i mean, thats okay. its hard to say right. but i think our session has come to an end and we are now agreed on XIII being core and vsXIII not.

now we just have to argure on "what" vsXIII is in relation to compilations.



ZERO: and FF13 is part of FNC so basiclly FF13 isn't a part of the main series or the whole compilation is apart of the main series. you can't say that FF13 isn't apart of FNC that's just stupid.

what you just said doesn't make sense. no one would think that XIII isn't a part of FNC. its like saying VII isn't part of its own compilation of games. one is just a core game and one is not.

[Xion]

and FF13 is part of FNC so basiclly FF13 isn't a part of the main series or the whole compilation is apart of the main series. you can't say that FF13 isn't apart of FNC that's just stupid.


What the Manholes are you talking about? where exactly did i say FFXIII is NOT part of FNC?

Jesus Christ youre dense...Final Fantasy XIII doesnt even need to be the Centerpiece of FNC, its a COMPILATION..but when it comes to the Final Fantasy Series itself, Final Fantasy XIII is the next installment. Not Versus, not Agito, Not Haeresis or w/e else they come up with, its FFXIII. :|

@ Soild..FFXIII is pasta, and Vs XIII is sauce..who cares man..there just a bunch of games under one banner, they dont need to be related at all to be part of a compilation. They just need to have some common theme or mythos. In this case its the Crystals, and the universe.

now can we be done with this conversation? its like arguing over facts, its so retarded..

[Zeroedged]

I would agree versus is leaning more towards core...I say we just call all of them games you know thats a broad enough term XD.

[-Solid_Rain-]

I would agree versus is leaning more towards core...I say we just call all of them games you know thats a broad enough term XD.


.......Compilation?????

[Zeroedged]

but that is what you said. or you didn't make it clear enough. you said 13 is part of the main story and the others were part of the compilation >_> you are just confusing yourself. whatever I don't really want to argue with someone who doesn't understand that a whole compilation can be part of the main series. man I've been looking at these forums for awhile and you are one stubborn, dense and annoying person no offense xion.

oh and your little comment about 13 being the next installment in the series. THE WHOLE FREAKING COMPILATION IS THE NEXT INSTALLMENT!

@solid_rain: compilation implies that you are talking about every game not just one, so I am going to stick with game.

[-Tidus4]

if FF CC, FF AC and so on are FF7 compitations then it wouldn't make sense if FFvs13 and Agito13 are compilations because FF CC and the others are all part of the FF7 story. but vs13 and agito 13 arn't part of FF13's story.

[Zeroedged]

a compilation is just a group of things that have to do with each other no matter how much or how little. So basically FNC is a weak compilation compared to the FF7 one.

@Xion: ok just to make it clear it's only a main title if it's just a number... so what if they stopped using numbers and started using subtitles. Wouldn't they still be part of the main story if it was the next main game >_>. They could just as easily call the next one Final Fantasy: enter unoriginal subtitle here, instead of 14.

[Xion]

Oh My God what is wrong with you people..i quit, honestly...

[-Solid_Rain-]

a compilation is just a group of things that have to do with each other no matter how much or how little. So basically FNC is a weak compilation compared to the FF7 one.

yes, that is sorta what i was saying. and that agito and vs seem to be like new core games in the compilation of FNC.
like they are core games for FNC that arn't spin-offs.

[Zeroedged]

what's wrong with us... the hell is wrong with you. We're just trying to say versus and agito at least lean more to core, and they aren't spin offs.

[-Tidus4]

you know what just think what you guys want okay? I'm seeing them all as core games. Fuck this no one is going to stop untill they get their own way.

[Zeroedged]

Yeah this is pointless >_>. Why the hell does it matter which ones a core game we're gonna end up getting them all anyway. Core game just makes 13 sound elitist to me haha.

[Little Miss Scarlett]

Does it really matter what you call them..?

[-Solid_Rain-]

okay, back the the topic we were on 40 posts ago.
or is this thread totally dead now?

[Xion]

what's wrong with us... the hell is wrong with you. We're just trying to say versus and agito at least lean more to core, and they aren't spin offs.


you fail to understand the logic behind a compilation..in the main Final Fantasy Series, not a single game is related to the other, they are all individual games. The same is true with Versus and Agito, they are completely individual from the other, but they are not a part of the central series, they are part of the Compilation of Final Fantasy XIII That is a number of games/and other products under that banner. You seem to understand this, but not the difference between a game in a compilation, and a game in the Central series.

back on topic, Final Fantasy XIV should be announced about a year after Final Fantasy XIII is released in japan..meaning sometimes in 2010! Unless for whatever reason Square doesnt...

[-Solid_Rain-]

you fail to understand the logic behind a compilation..in the main Final Fantasy Series, not a single game is related to the other, they are all individual games. The same is true with Versus and Agito, they are completely individual from the other, but they are not a part of the central series, they are part of the Compilation of Final Fantasy XIII That is a number of games/and other products under that banner. You seem to understand this, but not the difference between a game in a compilation, and a game in the Central series.


what happened to the Ivalice alliance? I an XII?

dammit, sorry for bringing back to off-topic.

[Xion]

what happened to the Ivalice alliance? I an XII?

dammit, sorry for bringing back to off-topic.


Final Fantasy I dont think takes place in Ivalice..Final Fantasy XII is the only game in the "Final Fantasy Series" to take place in Ivalice as far as i know..but again, that doesnt matter at all

[Zeroedged]

No I understand perfectly, but you keep denying the fact that while 13 is part of the main series it is also part of the compilation as is versus and agito so by relation the compilation is part of the main series at least a little. You're logic amazes me I'm sorry but you keep contradicting yourself. I'm done arguing with someone who can't see that a game can be part of a compilation and the compilation can in relation be part of the main series. jeez...

anyway, I don't know about 2010 if this FNC is supposed to last as long as they say they might be trying to make each thing as good as possible. I do think 14 will come out for this system though.

[-Tidus4]

To me it's simple if they arn't related then they are core games. Doesn't matter if it's called XIV, XV or FF versus the next bitch next door 13.

[Xion]

No I understand perfectly, but you keep denying the fact that while 13 is part of the main series it is also part of the compilation as is versus and agito so by relation the compilation is part of the main series at least a little. You're logic amazes me I'm sorry but you keep contradicting yourself. I'm done arguing with someone who can't see that a game can be part of a compilation and the compilation can in relation be part of the main series. jeez...

anyway, I don't know about 2010 if this FNC is supposed to last as long as they say they might be trying to make each thing as good as possible. I do think 14 will come out for this system though.


Once again you say i contradict myself, and say that FFXIII is not part of the FNC Compilation..are you actually reading my posts? because you sound like youre not....

and yes you can expect the next game in the series to be announced 1 or 2 years after FFXIII..the FNC games or w/e can continue to roll out alongside the next game in the series just like Ivalice Alliance games, and COFFVII content is released today even tho the series is aproaching XIII.

You guys seem to think that in one of these games not being the next title in the central series, that i am somehow saying that they are inferior? no...Versus XIII can be 10x better than FFXIII, the fact is that FFXIII is FFXIII and Versus XIII is Versus XIII..thats it.

[Zeroedged]

exactly as I pointed out earlier the next game might not even be called 14 it might be called FF: insert stupid subtitle here. That doesn't make it less part of the core series. Xion seems to think it has to just have a number, so if they decided to ditch the number system he/she would have to say the core series ended with 13.

That's true my only hope is that 14 is something new >_> something cool.

[Little Miss Scarlett]

Um, no. The MAIN series just have plain numbers, I somewhat doubt they'd suddenly decide to change it for no apparant reason. They aren't gonna end FF till they go broke, it's a fucking goldmine. Does it really matter?

[-Solid_Rain-]

Final Fantasy I dont think takes place in Ivalice..Final Fantasy XII is the only game in the "Final Fantasy Series" to take place in Ivalice as far as i know..but again, that doesnt matter at all

okay, it looks like i was wrong. the ivalice alliance is FF T, FFTA, FF XII, FFXII RW

i was totally getting confused, sorry.
i remember now, it was IX and Garland that was related to I. my mistake.

[Zeroedged]

they won't change I'm just saying by xion's reasoning if they did she would have to say the core series ended with 13. if all that matters is the title.

[Xion]

they will never ever do that man, As long as Final Fantasy is a series, and not a bunch of Random games, there will continue to be a number.

My Reasoning here doesnt matter, because its not reasoning, or opinion..its simple fact...There is a Final Fantasy Series, and it is numbered, and will continue to be unless Square decided otherwise.

[-Tidus4]

Xion it's not about which is more inferior. We're just saying FF13 shouldn't be known as the only core game. It should be known as FNC not FF13 alone.

[Zeroedged]

I know, jeez what are you people not getting. All I said was if for some reason they did you would have to say the core series ended with 13 because of the way you explained what makes a game core... I seriously don't understand how you can't tell what I'm saying.

[Xion]

I know, jeez what are you people not getting. All I said was if for some reason they did you would have to say the core series ended with 13 because of the way you explained what makes a game core... I seriously don't understand how you can't tell what I'm saying.


If by some reason Square decided to end the Final Fantasy Series as we know it, and only continue releasing games that have the name, but no number, then yes, the series would have ended with XIII.

[Zeroedged]

ok that's all I was saying XD.

anyway this topic is kind of I don't know boring, no offense but all you have to say is yes or no and why another core game will come out.

Yes, because that would just be stupid if 13 was the only one.

Actually I would almost like the FNC compilation to be the last true final fantasy games ( I know there will be spin offs). I know that is a silly Idea and it would never happen, but honestly it would just be an exciting way to go out.

[-Solid_Rain-]

If by some reason Square decided to end the Final Fantasy Series as we know it, and only continue releasing games that have the name, but no number, then yes, the series would have ended with XIII.


i agree.
there would still be final fantasy games, but the fantastical series know and FF # would no longer exists.
which brings me to a new idea, what about new side core line like FF vsIV, etc. thats sorta how i see vsXIII as.

[Xion]

the thing is you guys seem to thing that "Core" game means "the only game you should care about"...no no, i mean next installment in the Series..thats all...Versus could be way better than XIII and the next 4 games after that...thats not the point guys so just forget about it. Honestly

@ Solid- Versus XIII-2 would be making a series off off versus. like FFX-2

[Zeroedged]

actually if they ditched the number and kept making main games >_> it would still be the main series with a different title scheme you guys seem to think the title is what makes the game. I know you're not implying core means best xion.

[-Tidus4]

Solid_Rain that would be sick. "vs" being the new FF series which was all dark.

[-Solid_Rain-]

the thing is you guys seem to thing that "Core" game means "the only game you should care about"...no no, i mean next installment in the Series..thats all...Versus could be way better than XIII and the next 4 games after that...thats not the point guys so just forget about it. Honestly

@ Solid- Versus XIII-2 would be making a series off off versus. like FFX-2


i see VS as "core-LIKE" because of its difference from the origional XIII. not because i think a compilation game is inferior.

i didn't mean a vsXIII-2, i meant a vsIV. the vs part would be a darker, "opposite" compilation to IV. see what im sayin?

[Xion]

you guys seem to think the title is what makes the game..


The title is what makes the Series and in that series things like Summons and Airships you know, FF Staples are expected..outside of that, they can do anything they want, like Versus..a game that looks nothing like Final Fantasy, but is.

[Zeroedged]

I agree with solid versus is "Core-like". That is probably the best way to put it.

[-Solid_Rain-]

I agree with solid versus is "Core-like". That is probably the best way to put it.


but to make everyone happy, its still a compilation.
just different from normal.

[Xion]

okay this conversation has NO steam left..lets talk about something else now....

[-Solid_Rain-]

okay this conversation has NO steam left..lets talk about something else now....

not to sound like a douche, but if there is no steam left then you could at least agree with what i said. unless your actually that stubborn.

[Xion]

not to sound like a douche, but if there is no steam left then you could at least agree with what i said. unless your actually that stubborn.


usually if i dont reply to something you said its because i agree, or have no opinion on the subject, or anything further to add.. Or i could just be a human being and miss the reply altogether..sorry i didnt, i just missed it..im not a douche...maybe i come across that way, but im not.

-about Versus IV (thats 4 btw, not 14) then a sequel to Versus XIII would have to be under the FNC banner....right? but they could make an entire series of "Versus" games..but i think they might have to drop the "XIII" from the title, or atleast they should...

but again, this "Core-Like" doesnt mean anything ether..Square could go in completely different directions with the games if they wanted to, the style is besides the point.

[-Solid_Rain-]

sorry, i meant i was trying to not be a douche. it was all just a discussion. you right, if they have more vs games, they should have it start a 1. that would be an interesting idea though, a new FF series. based off of more modern stories.

[Xion]

sorry, i meant i was trying to not be a douche. it was all just a discussion. you right, if they have more vs games, they should have it start a 1. that would be an interesting idea though, a new FF series. based off of more modern stories.


It is interesting...but then again, they could just as easily make Final Fantasy XIV more modern in the same way....i think they should, the modern day look is really great ^_^

[-Solid_Rain-]

agree.

okay.......now the subject has lost all its steam.
well done everyone. don't know if this thread can even go on any longer.

[Xion]

Yes..as long as we continue replying saying "Shure why not" lol

[-Tidus4]

this thread lost its steam ages ago. We just changed the subject and started argueing.

[-Solid_Rain-]

this thread lost its steam ages ago. We just changed the subject and started argueing.

but we settled it, if you read a few posts back.