Nobodies and Heartless N > < H

[Ixion]

I don't know if anyone has pondered on this yet ( as I have been for a while now) but has anyone ever thought about if KH3 or 358/2 days would revolve around a story about Riku's nobody ( since he has become a heartless before) or the Heartless entities of Oganization XIII? I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this. Also, has anyone ever noticed that the emblem for the Nobodies is the upside down ver. of the Heartless's enblem?

[Pain Clone]

not really, iv not thought of rikus nobody.

[FANTASY-BOSS]

I THINK THEY WILL TELL US MORE ABOUT RIKU'S NOBODY IN KH3 ALONG WHITH THOSE OTHER NEW CHARECTERS


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[Ixion]

Does anyone notice that the Nobodies seem to be more heartless than Heartless do ( at the very least it's more emphasized that way with the Nobodies). (~_*)

[andrewonmars]

i be Look forward to new games of kingdom hearts the keyblade wars soon

[Rade]

Ok first of all, when did Riku ever become a Heartless? Second of all, Heartless ARE the hearts, but the darkness within them, Nobodies are the bodies left behind when the heart is taken from it. Therefore Nobodies have no hearts.

[Pain Clone]

well i dont remember riku ever being a heart less either, unless i missed somthing?

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

I think they're confusing the part when Ansem took over Riku's body or something.

[Ixion]

I think they're confusing the part when Ansem took over Riku's body or something.

Riku is able to become HEARTLESS Riku from Ansem(Xehanorts Heartless)& in KHCoM. Notice that, like a Heartless, he has a Heartless emblem on his chest(thus being a Heartless). I already know about Heartless being the darkside one's heart. What I meant about Nobodies being more heartless was a figure o speach. Also, Riku changed into Ansem(Heartless), thus changing into a true heartless.

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

No. The Heartless emblem is a representation of Ansem, (who is a heartless) not Riku's heartless. Ansem simply took over Riku's body, he didn't turn him into heartless.

[Pain Clone]

he had control over darkness but that doesnt mean he was a heartless himself and wasn't it ansem that took control of riku through the power of darkness so when u though riku it was really ansem and not riku in hreatless form. I guess some of the dark power was left with riku after ansems heartless was killed and with this power riku changed his apearence to infiltrate the organisation.

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

^Exactly. :^D Though I don't know about the last part.

[Ixion]

But what about KHCoM when he could change into the same form that he was in ( when Xehanort's Heartless first took control over his body) at will? Can't that mean that he has ( or should I had) the power to change into a real Heartless since Ansem didn't take control over him that time ( at least had no sign of influence from him)? -_^

[Pain Clone]

But what about KHCoM when he could change into the same form that he was in ( when Xehanort's Heartless first took control over his body) at will? Can't that mean that he has ( or should I had) the power to change into a real Heartless since Ansem didn't take control over him that time ( at least had no sign of influence from him)? -_^


Well u got me their as i havn't got to the riku part of com yet.

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

But what about KHCoM when he could change into the same form that he was in ( when Xehanort's Heartless first took control over his body) at will? Can't that mean that he has ( or should I had) the power to change into a real Heartless since Ansem didn't take control over him that time ( at least had no sign of influence from him)? -_^
Wasn't the Riku in CoM just a puppet? Or something along those lines? I half-heartedly watched the Re:CoM on KH-Vids, though I haven't finished the GBA game myself, much less the Riku story (whatever the frag it was called). So I don't have anything particularly valid to say in regards to CoM. I will say though, that if he kept Ansem's form it's only because he was using his power - but that does not mean the power itself took over his heart.

Also, your logic of Riku becoming a Heartless out of Ansem doesn't make sense. You don't change into a Heartless at will, a heartless is a Heart taken over by darkness - it's not a power, lol. Riku had a strong heart, and could therefore resist from being overcome completely by darkness.

But anyway yeah, Riku did have the power of darkness from Ansem still within him. (within him! but it didn't overcome him) However the only moment I recall him using it again was when he went to fight Roxas.

I see what you're trying to say, but I think you're confusing a few details. :B

[Ixion]

No. The Heartless emblem is a representation of Ansem, (who is a heartless) not Riku's heartless. Ansem simply took over Riku's body, he didn't turn him into heartless.

Ansem isn't a leader of the Heartless(since he became who he is AFTER Heartless were known to exist), so it can't really represent Ansem if the emblm existed before him. Still, the Heartless side w/whoevers the strong, so he may been a leader to them(not anymore since he's gone & isnt the strongest).

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

When I said he was the representation of the Heartless emblem, I was specifically talking about the emblem on Riku's chest, the very same one you were talking about earlier. I meant to say that the "sign of Riku being a heartless" was actually that of Ansem's.

[Rade]

For once Clone is actually right. Riku gave himself over to the darkness, giving him dark powers but not making him into a Heartless. Ansem took over Riku's body, and when he was defeated he remained locked away inside Riku's heart.

In CoM, Riku fought the Organisation as well as Ansem who was talking to him from within his heart, until he finally confronted him and defeated him. I'm not sure if this banished Ansem completely from Riku's heart or just pushed him back further into the depths of his heart, but needless to say, Riku could still use his dark powers. There was also a Riku replica in CoM, but he was used to mess with Sora's mind.

In KH2, in order to defeat Roxas, Riku had to give himself completely over to the darkness, and it made him take on the form of the darkest thing he had in his heart; Ansem. By the end of the game the darkness in his heart was banished completely. So basically, Riku was never a heartless, he simply used the power of darkness and was possessed by Ansem for a time.

[andrewonmars]

that was awesome men

[Passion]

Christ KH got confusing after II. XD

[Ixion]

Oooooooohhhhh, now I understand what Rade and others were saying. So basically, it was as if Riku was possessed by a Heartless but never really changed into one because he has a strong heart. And later on he had only been using the power of darkness and Ansem's influence deep down in his heart but never became a Hbecause of his strong heart. And the H's emblem on his chest was there only to show a H's influence. Boy, that was a real head scatcher. On to the nex subject: Oganization XIII's Heartless side.

[Ixion]

Double Posting just to bring this thread back. So, any thoughts of a Heartless side to Organization XIII.

[Rade]

Clearly not if you had to bump it.

[Sundance Kid]

Ixion this is stupid, if we all wanted to double post to bring thread back to life we would it's against the rules for a reason
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[Kitmitsu]

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