Death Sentence

[Brave27heart]

Ok so i know you guys in the States have it already, but over here in Britain over the last week in light of the recent murder trials there has been a lot of media focus on bringing back the death penalty. One poll had 99% of people who took part, well over 100,000 people, voting in favour of it. I was wondering what you guys thought of it? Are you in favour of the death penalty or against it? Do you think the death penalty helps prevent crimes from taking place?

Personally i would be against it, for the simple reason that most of the people who commit the brutal crimes that deserve the death penalty would welcome the release that death brings. I would much rather they were locked up for life and made to suffer in hardship. For people like Ian Huntley, who has tried to commit suicide on several occasions, death is too good for them.
The problem in this country is that prisoners often live in moderate luxury or get released early to reoffend. Britain is a soft touch on crime.

[Devious]

http://forums.finalfantasy-xiii.net/showthread.php?t=1620

Repost.

That aside, yes, I'm all for the death sentence. Some people just deserve to die.

[Neal]

That's closed, sherlock. :cookie:

I'd rather someone who did something like murdered my family cos they felt like it or something to die a horrible painful Death, like torture or something. Some truly fucked up people find it lulzy about what they did and wouldn't feel bad about guilt.

Didn't some other prisoner throw some boiling water over Ian Huntley or something? :lol: That made me lol.

[Devious]

That's closed, sherlock. :cookie:

I'd rather someone who did something like murdered my family cos they felt like it or something to die a horrible painful Death, like torture or something. Some truly fucked up people find it lulzy about what they did and wouldn't feel bad about guilt.

Didn't some other prisoner throw some boiling water over Ian Huntley or something? :lol: That made me lol.
My bad.

Well wouldn't it make you feel better to do it yourself? I even think the government should allow people most affected by the convicted crimes to kill him. THAT'S pure justice. Of course we can't, because we'd be pretty much training serial killers.

[Neal]

No I think that's quite fucked up. :lol: Yeah I'd probably want to kill them, but letting people kill other people would turn out society into an even more fucked up place.

[Devious]

No I think that's quite fucked up. :lol: Yeah I'd probably want to kill them, but letting people kill other people would turn out society into an even more fucked up place.
Yeah, well let the government deal with that.

[steeld]

death sentence.... i guess i never really thought about that i guess im for it...

[Halfmetal]

Sometimes death is the best option. But not primarily because they deserve it but because they are just too much of a threat to society.

[Brave27heart]

Sorry, didnt realise it was a repost.

The problem with locking them up for life is the cost, which us the taxpayer have to foot the bill for. Plus the fact that its so cosy for them. Cable tv, dvd players, nice curtains, playstations, cosmetics. It beggars belief the luxury some killers live in at our expense. But i dont know how much of a deterrent the death penalty actually is. Look at the murder rate in America.

[Hitoshura]

Like I said in my old post long ago, depends on what the person did.

[Halfmetal]

Ha, we had a school debate today about the Death Penalty. Those for the motion won. The only reason they gave was because it was easier. lol.

[Misschoco]

Sorry, didnt realise it was a repost.

The problem with locking them up for life is the cost, which us the taxpayer have to foot the bill for. Plus the fact that its so cosy for them. Cable tv, dvd players, nice curtains, playstations, cosmetics. It beggars belief the luxury some killers live in at our expense. But i dont know how much of a deterrent the death penalty actually is. Look at the murder rate in America.
I would also be opposing against locking a criminal up-not for the sake of the taxpayer but say for example a murderer is given a 30 year sentence-The life lost in other terms is being valued at 30 years or however long the sentence is.My question is would any of you value your life at 30 years?But at the same time using the death sentence to kill someone in exchange for the person they've killed your still valuing that lost life as the same as someone else's-the point here is that a life is priceless and nothing can amount to that value-hell I hope I made some sense :aldo:

[Halfmetal]

I would also be opposing against locking a criminal up-not for the sake of the taxpayer but say for example a murderer is given a 30 year sentence-The life lost in other terms is being valued at 30 years or however long the sentence is.My question is would any of you value your life at 30 years?But at the same time using the death sentence to kill someone in exchange for the person they've killed your still valuing that lost life as the same as someone else's-the point here is that a life is priceless and nothing can amount to that value-hell I hope I made some sense :aldo:


I lost you when you asked the question.

What about those with life-setences anyway? Surely a Death penalty would be better. Well I guess it depends on whether a prisoner values his life in a prison.

[Brave27heart]

I would also be opposing against locking a criminal up-not for the sake of the taxpayer but say for example a murderer is given a 30 year sentence-The life lost in other terms is being valued at 30 years or however long the sentence is.My question is would any of you value your life at 30 years?But at the same time using the death sentence to kill someone in exchange for the person they've killed your still valuing that lost life as the same as someone else's-the point here is that a life is priceless and nothing can amount to that value-hell I hope I made some sense :aldo:


I think i get what you're saying.

I dont get how someone can commit one murder and get 15 years, and someone else can commit 2 or 3 murders and still only get 15 years. Eh? Explain that one to me mister judge.

If you give someone the death sentence it doesn't bring back the person they killed, nor does one life equal the value of another. I suppose it makes the families of the victims feel better and i it was one of my loved ones i'd want to do it myself, but it doesn't make it right.

On the other hand a least it means someone who has committed an evil crime cant be freed to do it again. Like i said before, life doesn't always mean life, especially in this country. Just last week they announced that the prisons were all full and the government wrote to the courts asking them to give out community service sentences instead of time in jail. God that pisses me off! :nag:

[Misschoco]

On the other hand a least it means someone who has committed an evil crime cant be freed to do it again. Like i said before, life doesn't always mean life, especially in this country. Just last week they announced that the prisons were all full and the government wrote to the courts asking them to give out community service sentences instead of time in jail. God that pisses me off! :nag:
No one seems to be losing sleep over it-We have criminals still rampant on our streets..even walking to the corner shop is a fucking challenge :nag:
Life cant be given a set value.End of.If it were that simple we would all be setting a parameter to what we value our life at.

btw: Halfmetal...I knew I wasn't making sense but I always have problems articulating my views.

[Nagase]

Nah shouldn't really have the death sentence for the soul reason that if they made a mistake about the murderer, and killed the wrong person, it would be to late to do anything about it.

[Misschoco]

Nah shouldn't really have the death sentence for the soul reason that if they made a mistake about the murderer, and killed the wrong person, it would be to late to do anything about it.
Thats a major problem but if people saw it a bit more simplistically...If the murderer actually admits to the crime then an innocent life wont be sentenced.But then you have the problem that most of those sociopaths will deny it to the end and the chance of killing an innocent sentenced individual still exists.

[redrum]

For certain cases I think it is necasary to kill them, but for others maybe not

Worst problem, it could be the wrong guy

[Misschoco]

Worst problem, it could be the wrong guy
But like I mentioned above-Its best to go ahead with the sentence if the prisoner involved admits to the crime.But the pretty shocking thing is that at least 39 executions have been carried out in the U.S. in face of compelling evidence of innocence or serious doubt about guilt.

[Halfmetal]

No one seems to be losing sleep over it-We have
btw: Halfmetal...I knew I wasn't making sense but I always have problems articulating my views.

Yeah, me too.

[Misschoco]

Yeah, me too.
Oh the woes of being inarticulate :aldo:


Another issue:Many people say thay introducing capital punishment is a major crime deterence.Not necesarily true as statistics would depict.Ironically crime rates are lower in countries with no capital punishment than countries which currently have it in action (USA for example)

[Halfmetal]

Whoa, hold on a minute...

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Misschoco... are you a mod?

[Misschoco]

Whoa, hold on a minute...

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Misschoco... are you a mod?
Officially....For serious discussion :aldo:

http://forums.finalfantasy-xiii.net/showthread.php?t=3336&page=5


Death sentence discussion people <3

[Anouk]

I'm against the death penalty. Totally.
Just let those killers suffer for the rest of their lives in jail. Death is just an easy escape.

We don't have a death penalty over here, just 4 years prison when you kill somebody. I mean, come on! That's ridiculous!! ;O Not to mention the early release because of 'good behaviour'.

I knew I should have become a judge.

[SirBaron]

I think death sentence is bad because if a person is wrongfully sentenced then there is no way to correct that decision.

[Misschoco]

I'm against the death penalty. Totally.
Just let those killers suffer for the rest of their lives in jail. Death is just an easy escape.
Depends on the personal view of the prisoner themselves really.Some would consider imprisonment worse than death others would probably value their lives so much that prison seems like home.

Some people would say that a convicted murderer or many murderers are in fact insane sociopaths-so even if they were given the death sentence it still wouldn't be a punishment in some sense-If their insane then they wont have a guilty mind-It'd be like killing an empty shell of a person.

@ wrongful executions-The continuous threat of execution makes the ordeal of those wrongly convicted particularly horrible.But there are more detailed arguments of accidental executions I wont go into detail.

[BlankChocobo]

The problem with locking them up for life is the cost, which us the taxpayer have to foot the bill for. Plus the fact that its so cosy for them. Cable tv, dvd players, nice curtains, playstations, cosmetics. It beggars belief the luxury some killers live in at our expense. But i dont know how much of a deterrent the death penalty actually is. Look at the murder rate in America.

Death penalty isn't a particularly effective form of deterrant. I think maybe the presence of a death penality reflects the likelihood of murder more than it actually works as a deterrant, since people want harsher penalties when there is more crime, but that's just my opinion. No evidence for that part.

I'm all for better reform programs. I don't believe detterant value should ever go into the punishment of someone. I feel like that's the same as saying it's okay to use someone's life/health/happiness for the purpose of saving others. Give them what punishment or rehab they need to reform and nothing else~

[Misschoco]

Death penalty isn't a particularly effective form of deterrant. I think maybe the presence of a death penality reflects the likelihood of murder more than it actually works as a deterrant, since people want harsher penalties when there is more crime, but that's just my opinion. No evidence for that part.

Particularly true-I think I'v mentioned this before but the statistic show that in countries with no capital punishment the crime rate is lower than a country which puts it into practice.
Heres what a survey conducted in 1988 concludes......

...research has failed to provide scientific proof that executions have a greater deterrent effect than life imprisonment. Such proof is unlikely to be forthcoming. The evidence as a whole still gives no positive support to the deterrent hypothesis.
The key to real and true deterrence is to increase the likelihood of detection, arrest and conviction.
The death penalty is a harsh punishment, but it is not harsh on crime.
Amnesty InternationalDeterrence in fact seems to be a morally flawed concept.Even if it did act as a deterrence should the death penalty be committed to punish predicted future crimes.<This didn't make much sense but I don't know how best to articulate this.

I'm all for better reform programs. I don't believe detterant value should ever go into the punishment of someone. I feel like that's the same as saying it's okay to use someone's life/health/happiness for the purpose of saving others. Give them what punishment or rehab they need to reform and nothing else~
Im still not entirely sure on reform-Even if it can revert a minority of people,still the majority of criminals are sociopaths and the only way they can be helped is the institutionalize them etc as you would need to go to the extremes to correct them.