jehovah's witness

[Nagase]

Wow, these guys are sure are a nice example of religon. Can't be certain of the not so Jehovah following ones, but the true believers don't allow blood transfers of any kind for any reason.

So....say a family of them get into a car crash, 3 kids, mum and dad. The dad somehow climbs out without too many injuries but the rest of the family are all serisouly injured and need blood.

According to the religon, and what I have seen in alot of both reality and fictional TV shows, they would rather let all of them die rather than let them have blood and live.

Lovely :rolleyes:

[Dream Machine]

Its their beliefs! We must never stand in the way of indivisual beliefs, no matter how stupid and backwards they are.

I'm joking, seriously when it comes to things like this people need saving from themselves, not only is a stupid belief, its taken completly out of context from the text they are getting it from, cant rmember it exactly but it can be read in a lot of different ways.

Its like christians basing thier hatred of homosexuals on one passage that can be read in many ways (and the morality of which can be disputed, I mean the guy banged both his daughters afterwards). And muslims self-enforcing strict clothing rules against women when the whole women being covered thing can be interpreted in a lot of ways. In the times of Mohammed women had a lot more freedom and respect then they do in many muslim theocracys today.

[aleksunder]

I have a close friend who is a Jehovah's Witness. She's amazingly kind, and her family is very much into their religion, but they don't force feed it down peoples' throats. But, from what I hear, the majority of them go door to door and preach like there's no tomorrow.

I'm not so sure your interpretation of Jehovah's Witnesses is entirely accurate. They're a much more modern theocratic sect now, at least in my area. Times change.

Now the mormons....ugh
mormonism is totally something I could go off on.

[Halfmetal]

I think we should respect their views. It's their belief that they would be dying a moral way. Is that loigcally incorrect? No. Is it morally wrong? Only by our different set of opinions.

If they want to go door to door...yeah fine I can tolerate that too. I might even let them in for a lovely discussion and find out more about their beliefs. Just as long as they don't act like jackasses or anything.

[Whiplash]

As long as they stop knocking on my door at 8 am on a Saturday morning they can do what they wish.


Whiplash promotes tolerance :cookie:

[Halfmetal]

But only after 8am. :)

[Whiplash]

There's no such thing as before 8am as far as I'm concerned, and other religions can respect my belief :cunning:

[Neal]

As long as they stop knocking on my door at 8 am on a Saturday morning they can do what they wish.


Whiplash promotes tolerance :cookie:
Well said, my friend. :cookie:

[Nagase]

Back to my orignal post, lets just say that the two kids and mother were unconscious and the dad had to make the choice. Who says at such a close time to death, that any one of them might choose life over their religon. That Dad imo has effecitvly murdered them.

[Alice]

^ I have to agree with you on that Nagase. If that dad is more for his religion than saving his family then he should have never had a family in the first place. I would consider him wrong if sat back and watched his family die just because his religion said it was the right thing to do. I could never be a part of such a religion.

A for Jehova's Witness, I would hear what they have to say, but that doesn't mean I would agree. They also don't celebrate birthdays or holidays...only the death of Christ. I mean...what?

[Ringlets]

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/060625.jpg
Totally relevant.

[Hitoshura]

They have the right to have their own beliefs, just like I have mine. I shall say no more...

[Neal]

They sure have a right to their own, but they have no right to try and force it on everyone else.

[Hitoshura]

Since when was I forcing on anyone?

[Rekhyt]

They sure have a right to their own, but they have no right to try and force it on everyone else.

Seconded. Of course all religions do it, Jehovah’s Witnesses are just more active in how they do it. While they are irritating in there way to try and convert you at least they don't actually accomplish anything. How many people have had there lives changed by what is essentially an obnoxious, religious telemarketer selling happiness and fulfillment ¬¬.

What's worse are those who try and convert you when you are feeling weak i.e. if a family member was dying and they convince you to pray for them when you're feeling hopeless. (Example shamelessly stolen from an episode of Studio 60).


And I think Dante was referring to Jehovah’s witnesses not you Kira.

[Neal]

Wtf. :lol: I'm not saying you. Re read my post PLZ.

Are you a Jehovah's Witness? Do you go door to door preaching your religion? :aldo:

[Halfmetal]

Back to my orignal post, lets just say that the two kids and mother were unconscious and the dad had to make the choice. Who says at such a close time to death, that any one of them might choose life over their religon. That Dad imo has effecitvly murdered them.

Murdering means unlawful killing. The dad will not have believed he has done anything unlawful. You do. Do we know which one of you is right? No. All we can say is that we have differing opinions. If that family of his weren't Jehova's witnesses then that's another matter. He would have definately been wrong. If that is not the case. Then we can't say they were wrong.

Jehovah’s witnesses do not, as far as I'm aware of, force anyone into their religion. They are merely evangelical.

[Neal]

They put their foot into Luc's door when he tried to shut the door on them after he told them he wasn't interested. :lol: That's a bit more than innocently preaching. :aldo:

[Sundance Kid]

Yeah it's like how the Army kept calling me and trying to recruit me

There are those who are forceful, and it's fuckin annoying

[Halfmetal]

They put their foot into Luc's door when he tried to shut the door on them after he told them he wasn't interested. :lol: That's a bit more than innocently preaching. :aldo:

They? Are we so easily going to stereotype all Jehova's Witnesses? Perhaps in that case they were being persistent. And that was wrong. But it was not forceful.

[Neal]

They? Are we so easily going to stereotype all Jehova's Witnesses?

Oh don't be so petty, you know what I mean. That's not the first or the last time that Jehova's Witnesses have been so persistent. It's not technically forcing you but it's bastard annoying and I don't think they have any right to go round and behave like that. :cookie:

[Sundance Kid]

I think sticking your foot in the door is forceful in a way..it's like these particular witnesses were desperate enough to make someone listen by making them not close the door on them...

[Halfmetal]

There's no black and white line, I agree. I can agree with you that they were being annoying, but it's not like they're getting away with murder or anything. It's not a big deal. Everyone has faults. And I must still say that they're not ALL like that.

[Sundance Kid]

Oh of course, I agree with you that they are not all like that but it is kinda disrespectful when they act in desperation it seems and go to those lengths...

[Halfmetal]

Great. We've reached an agreement (unless some git comes along and ruins it).

[Sundance Kid]

There's bound to be someone to say otherwise I'm sure
:cookie:

My friend used to be a Jehova's Witness and he wasn't allowed to have the American Flag or any kind of flag in his house because it was showing a form of worship....I take it this religion/following doesn't worship anything or anyone or am I misunderstanding??

[Pixel]

I think sticking your foot in the door is forceful in a way..it's like these particular witnesses were desperate enough to make someone listen by making them not close the door on them...

One time, there was one in the parking lot of Wal-Mart and he started talking to me. I kept on walking and I said nicely, "Not Interested." He kept following me. Eventually I had to go back into the store and avoid him when I came back out.

I think that forceful.

Other than times like that, I could care less what they do.:cookie:

[Neal]

There's bound to be someone to say otherwise I'm sure
:cookie:

My friend used to be a Jehova's Witness and he wasn't allowed to have the American Flag or any kind of flag in his house because it was showing a form of worship....I take it this religion/following doesn't worship anything or anyone or am I misunderstanding??

Nope, I don't get that either. XD

[Halfmetal]

Oh great. Stories of people metting forceful christians ends up in the topic called 'Jehovas Witnesses'. Thread takes a worrying twist.

[Whiplash]

There's no black and white line, I agree. I can agree with you that they were being annoying, but it's not like they're getting away with murder or anything. It's not a big deal. Everyone has faults. And I must still say that they're not ALL like that.

Of course, once, when coming home from school, I saw a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses standing outside my house. When they saw me going up to it they asked if anyone else was home, I said no, they said "okay, thanks" and left. I was 15, alone, would've been a perfect target for attempted conversion.

These I can stand because it was in the afternoon.

[Nagase]

Murdering means unlawful killing. The dad will not have believed he has done anything unlawful. You do. Do we know which one of you is right? No. All we can say is that we have differing opinions. If that family of his weren't Jehova's witnesses then that's another matter. He would have definately been wrong. If that is not the case. Then we can't say they were wrong.

Jehovah’s witnesses do not, as far as I'm aware of, force anyone into their religion. They are merely evangelical.Murdering means unlawful killing. The dad will not have believed he has done anything unlawful. You do. Do we know which one of you is right? No.If he refused himself treatment fine, but IMO, denying someone else treatment is the same as stabbing them in the surgery bed. You are still causing their lives to end. Even if the dad is 95% sure his wife or children would not want the transfer, there is still a 5% chance they could have chosen life. He caused the means of their death, and to me, that is murder.

If that is not the case. Then we can't say they were wrong.They? Re read please. I said if the dad was the only conscious one he should not be able to make the choice based on religon. The other three should make their choices for themselves and if they can't, they get a blood transfer, and that should be a law.

Just for instance one of the children have been brought up as JW's. Say he didn't really believe but he pretended to keep his/her parents happy. Now, he's unconcious, and he would gladly take the blood to save his life, but his dad assumes he/she is hardcore JW and would rather die. Now I'm sorry, but he has just ended that childs life on a religon that the child didn't even believe in. Now, there is also a chance that the child would rather die, but in a situation like that, it's too risky.

They are trying to stop the death sentence in America because so many people have been wrongly accused. Say a man gets murdered, and another man is put to death wrongly. Now, say that a child gets put to death due to his religon but couldn't verbally make his choice, now THAT is assumption and you cannot base someones like on assumption, that is not other peoples belief, that is absoute craziness.

They put their foot into Luc's door when he tried to shut the door on them after he told them he wasn't interested. :lol: That's a bit more than innocently preaching.

And the next one that puts their foot in the door is getting my air rifle pointed at them with deer rounds, I'm sure they'll learn their lesson then.

[Halfmetal]

If he refused himself treatment fine, but IMO, denying someone else treatment is the same as stabbing them in the surgery bed. You are still causing their lives to end. Even if the dad is 95% sure his wife or children would not want the transfer, there is still a 5% chance they could have chosen life. He caused the means of their death, and to me, that is murder.

To you, yes, I already acknowledged that. I can only repeat my point again. You seem to be just repeating yours i'm afraid.


They? Re read please. I said if the dad was the only conscious one he should not be able to make the choice based on religon. The other three should make their choices for themselves and if they can't, they get a blood transfer, and that should be a law.

Typo. I meant he. Sorry.


Just for instance one of the children have been brought up as JW's. Say he didn't really believe but he pretended to keep his/her parents happy. Now, he's unconcious, and he would gladly take the blood to save his life, but his dad assumes he/she is hardcore JW and would rather die. Now I'm sorry, but he has just ended that childs life on a religon that the child didn't even believe in. Now, there is also a chance that the child would rather die, but in a situation like that, it's too risky.

1) But he never knew. And neither could you. It can only be murder if he knew the child didn't want to die. If you think otherwise, then that's your opinion. Not fact.
2) So what's the other option? Allow the blood transfusion. The child lives and could go on to realise that he's only alive becuase of what he believes to be quite an immoral action. It tears him up inside and he kills himself. That's a possibility too.
3) You are only considering it from an athiests point of view. You have not considered the possibility that the Jehova's witnesses God does exist. What then? Would he really be wrong then?


They are trying to stop the death sentence in America because so many people have been wrongly accused. Say a man gets murdered, and another man is put to death wrongly. Now, say that a child gets put to death due to his religon but couldn't verbally make his choice, now THAT is assumption and you cannot base someones like on assumption, that is not other peoples belief, that is absoute craziness.

The only other option is based on another assumption.

[Nagase]

To you, yes, I already acknowledged that. I can only repeat my point again. You seem to be just repeating yours i'm afraid.

No I wasn't. I was saying that the child/mother should make the deciding choice for THEMSELVES. Thae dad should have no say based on religon.

[Halfmetal]

But...didn't you say they were in a coma or something?:|

Thae dad should have no say based on religon? Isn't that just your opinion? Anyway if he's religious then how can he not make a moral decision based on religion? Are you asking him to become a hypocrit just so that he can satisfy your own opinion of what is and isn't right? You're asking a deeply religious man not to make a decision based on religion. Don't see how absurd that sounds?

You say that the other three should make their choices for themselves and if they can't, they get a blood transfer. Isn't that based on an assumption that they want it? Quite a stupid one really considering they're more likely to not want it. When making a decision for someone you take the one they were most likely to choose when concious, not the least likely.

[Nagase]

But...didn't you say they were in a coma or something?:|

Thae dad should have no say based on religon? Isn't that just your opinion? Anyway if he's religious then how can he not make a moral decision based on religion? Are you asking him to become a hypocrit just so that he can satisfy your own opinion of what is and isn't right? You're asking a deeply religious man not to make a decision based on religion. Don't see how absurd that sounds?

You say that the other three should make their choices for themselves and if they can't, they get a blood transfer. Isn't that based on an assumption that they want it? Quite a stupid one really considering they're more likely to not want it. When making a decision for someone you take the one they were most likely to choose when concious, not the least likely.


Better to find out you were right or wrong when the person is alive than to find out you were wrong once they are dead.

[Halfmetal]

How could you possibly find out you are wrong when they're dead and can't tell you?

Anyway, you've considered the possibility of being right in first option, but not in the second. That's a little unfair don't you think?

[Misschoco]

okay....jehovahs witnesses are persistent deliquents who try and force feed you their mush.......i've had 3 jehovahs witnesses in one day-one after the other knocking on our door for a friggin 10 mins sometimes i fear they'l just break in and stuff their teachings into my mouth......

[Ringlets]

Jehovah's Witnesses always seem to be strange people. Im not saying their beliefs are wrong, but the effects they seem to have on their family are obvious and sometimes life destroying. My sister (shut up Rekhyt) has a friend (and again) whos family are Jehovah's Witnesses (the father is the main one) and his entire family are on the brink of destruction, with the daughter being all rebelious and stuff and basically trashing the house and kissing all the boys, whilst the mother has a nervous breakdown every couple of minutes and is totally ignored by the husband simply because of the way his religion has made him act and interact with his family. Again, not saying JWs are stupid, im just saying that the comitment usually required to be a JW seems to break families apart.

[Halfmetal]

The father must have been a control freak. Wow, so this is what gossiping feels like.

[Misschoco]

with the daughter being all rebelious and stuff and basically trashing the house and kissing all the boys, whilst the mother has a nervous breakdown every couple of minutes and is totally ignored by the husband simply because of the way his religion has made him act and interact with his family. Again, not saying JWs are stupid, im just saying that the comitment usually required to be a JW seems to break families apart.
soooooooo i guess family counselling is out of the question....



there was some story in the newspapers recently-well ages ago...about a woman giving birth and who happened to be a Jehovah's witness.......she needed a blood transfusion after she gave birth birth or she would die....im sorry for saying this but her stupid teachings forbade that-the refused the transfusion only for her sake-she then dies-leaving her husband and newborn twins by themselves-she had no regard for their wellbeing but only the fact she didn't want the transfusion because the rules said she couldn't-bravo...you fruit cake

[Nagase]

How could you possibly find out you are wrong when they're dead and can't tell you?

Ask one of the kids best friends if she was really religous, and if they said no, then you would know that you were wrong ;D.

Anyway, you've considered the possibility of being right in first option, but not in the second. That's a little unfair don't you think?

Don't be petty.

[Halfmetal]

OH DEAR! I honestly don't know if you're joking or if you're being serious.

[Nagase]

OH DEAR! I honestly don't know if you're joking or if you're being serious.Uhm who else would know someone better than that someones best friend? Your not telling me theres nothing you don't tell your parents. I know it's a long shot but better than throwing someones life away........

If theres a chance that kid was not religous enough to die for the name of his/her religon, then EVERY step should be used in determining what happens next and that goes past taking an assumed guess.

IF a Jehovas Witness decides to die because of his religon, let the moron do it, but he/she should not have the right to decide it for ANYONE else.

The family could easily tell each other that they would die for their religon, but when the time comes, a huge number of them could react differently. In this case, the Dad would tell the doctor to kill off his family because HE believed they would have wanted to die because of their beliefs. Maybe the kid chose differently, in which case, they should investigate by any means possible, for instance, asking close freinds.

So yeah, I'm being serious Halfmetal you sarcastic bastard, sorry I see peoples life as more than an assumption of belief.

[Neal]

IF a Jehovas Witness decides to die because of his religon, let the moron do it, but he/she should not have the right to decide it for ANYONE else.

That's it really. A summary of exactly how I feel.

[Halfmetal]

Uhm who else would know someone better than that someones best friend? Your not telling me theres nothing you don't tell your parents. I know it's a long shot but better than throwing someones life away........

1)I honestly believe that your parents will know you better than your friends. Perhaps that's not always the case.
2) It doesn't matter anyway. Asking their best friend menas that they've made the decision. A decision over someone's life. You said it yourself: "The family could easily tell each other that they would die for their religon, but when the time comes, a huge number of them could react differently." This means that the friend has no more say in it than the father.
3) Besides, what if the friend syas that yes, he would want to die. What then?



If theres a chance that kid was not religous enough to die for the name of his/her religon, then EVERY step should be used in determining what happens next and that goes past taking an assumed guess.

And what are these steps that don't lead to another assuption that could go wrong?


IF a Jehovas Witness decides to die because of his religon, let the moron do it, but he/she should not have the right to decide it for ANYONE else.

If an athiest decides to live because of his believes, let the moron do it, but he/she should not have the right to decide it for ANYONE else.


The family could easily tell each other that they would die for their religon, but when the time comes, a huge number of them could react differently. In this case, the Dad would tell the doctor to kill off his family because HE believed they would have wanted to die because of their beliefs. Maybe the kid chose differently, in which case, they should investigate by any means possible, for instance, asking close freinds.

How would they know if they would choose differently? If their close friends did tell them they would want to live, is that conclusive? Does that mean he definately wants to live? No. It's just another assumption that could go wrong. I've made this point clear to you before.


So yeah, I'm being serious Halfmetal you sarcastic bastard, sorry I see peoples life as more than an assumption of belief.

Dude, I was genuinely confused. Calm down.

[Neal]

If an athiest decides to live because of his believes, let the moron do it, but he/she should not have the right to decide it for ANYONE else.Atheists don't deny someones life being saved over something so trivial as using someone else's blood. Don't try to make it seem as though their logic is the same as Jehovas Witnesses because it is certainly NOT the same by any means.

1)I honestly believe that your parents will know you better than your friends. Perhaps that's not always the case. lol, certainly not in my case at least.

3) Besides, what if the friend says that yes, he would want to die. What then?Nothing, as far as I know Euthanasia is illegal. What kind of child WANTS to die anyway? And what kind of BULLSHIT parent could sit back and let their child suffer then die?

[Nagase]

How would they know if they would choose differently? If their close friends did tell them they would want to live, is that conclusive? Does that mean he definately wants to live? No. It's just another assumption that could go wrong. I've made this point clear to you before.

Well atleast then they wouldn't have wasted a life....ugh....Better to let someone live and have made a mistake than to let someone die and make a mistake.

[Halfmetal]

Atheists don't deny someones life being saved over something so trivial as using someone else's blood. Don't try to make it seem as though their logic is the same as Jehovas Witnesses because it is certainly NOT the same by any means.

No, it's not. It's equally valid. That's the point I was getting at.


Nothing, as far as I know Euthanasia is illegal. What kind of child WANTS to die anyway? And what kind of BULLSHIT parent could sit back and let their child suffer then die?

A Jehovas witness maybe? Do you honestly believe they think dying is such a bad thing?

Well atleast then they wouldn't have wasted a life....ugh....Better to let someone live and have made a mistake than to let someone die and make a mistake.

That's what you think, Nagase. And you only think that because you are an athiest and that a life is wasted after they die. It's not the same for everyone else.

[Neal]

No, it's not. It's equally valid. That's the point I was getting at.

"I dont want my son to die, I love him"

"He's going to have to die, other peoples blood is he devil ¬/`?¬?"

A Jehovas witness maybe? Do you honestly believe they think dying is such a bad thing?

Oh, dont be so pathetic. If I came and murdered your family i doubt you'd say "Is dying such a bad thing?"

[Nagase]

A Jehovas witness maybe? Do you honestly believe they think dying is such a bad thing?

How about you kill a family Of Jehovas witness' leavbing only one member left and see if she is pleased or upset.

[Neal]

If someone was to say that in that situation they are SERIOUSLY fucked in the head.

[Halfmetal]

"I dont want my son to die, I love him"

"He's going to have to die, other peoples blood is he devil ¬/`?¬?"

"I dont want my son to die, I love him"

"I don't want my son to live an immoral life. I love him.


Oh, dont be so pathetic. If I came and murdered your family i doubt you'd say "Is dying such a bad thing?"

How about you kill a family Of Jehovas witness' leavbing only one member left and see if she is pleased or upset.

Obviously I'd be upset but that doesn't mean dying would be bad for them.


If someone was to say that in that situation they are SERIOUSLY fucked in the head.

Both of you, please stop exaggerating my point to the point of falsehood. It's not doing you any favours.

[Neal]

Obviously I'd be upset but that doesn't mean dying would be bad for them.

Seriously...what the fuck.....THAT is weird.


"I don't want my son to live an immoral life. I love him.

If your son is dying and there is a way to save him then you do it at all costs. Thats what love is.

[Halfmetal]

Seriously...what the fuck.....THAT is weird.

:huh:. No, it's not. Yes, I've lost someone, but if they're going to a better place then it's not so bad for them is it? Explain to me how that's weird.


If your son is dying and there is a way to save him then you do it at all costs. Thats what love is.

At all costs? How about killing a thousand people? Would you do it then if you could?
What's the sense in doing an immoral act to save your son from paradise?

[Neal]

I think there's a little bit of difference between killing thousands of people and giving them some medical treatment. ;)

Anyway, you yourself said thousands of deaths is fine for the greater good ;D

What's the sense in doing an immoral act to save your son from paradise?Maybe you're wrong? Maybe paradise doesn't exist and when you die you just die?

Explain to me how that's weird.

It's weird because your life now appears to mean nothing to you and all you care about is the afterlife which might not even be real. To me thats ridiculous, you should live for now and not some unproven afterlife which might not even be real.

[Halfmetal]

I think there's a little bit of difference between killing thousands of people and giving them some medical treatment. ;)

No relevant differences. A jehovas Witness believes that both would be immoral


Anyway, you yourself said thousands of deaths is fine for the greater good ;D

Only if God does it. I also said no human can predict the future.


Maybe you're wrong? Maybe paradise doesn't exist and when you die you just die?

The Key word there was maybe. You can't just expect a Jehovas Witness to do a non-Jehovas witness act on the basis that he might be wrong. By your loigc it could work the other way round for an athiest. You are forcing someone to change their beleifs to another subjective opinion and not fact. That's irrational.


It's weird because your life now appears to mean nothing to you and all you care about is the afterlife which might not even be real. To me thats ridiculous, you should live for now and not some unproven afterlife which might not even be real.

How did you come to the conlcusion that I think life is meaningless and all i care about is the after life?
We're in this world so we can do as much good as possible. It's bad when that it stopped, but it's not the end. You're exaggerating my point.
To you, Dante. That's correct. To YOU!

[Neal]

You've got to be a Jehovas Witness yourself, right? :blink:

The Key word there was maybe. You can't just expect a Jehovas Witness to do a non-Jehovas witness act on the basis that he might be wrong. By your loigc it could work the other way round for an athiest. You are forcing someone to change their beleifs to another subjective opinion and not fact. That's irrational.rofl I dont care what they do. My point is that I think it's stupid the way they think and act about this kind of thing.

To you, Dante. That's correct. To YOU!Same answer as above, doesnt mean I think their views blood transfusions etc isnt utterly stupid, harsh and unfair.

No relevant differences. A jehovas Witness believes that both would be immoralThat is why I think it's stupid. How can you compare 1000's of deaths to HEALING someone of a DISEASE. Please, tell me, what is so wrong about it the first place? Why do they find medical treatment in that way so "immortal" as you put it.

Being racist is immoral, killing people for no reason is immoral, beating your kids is immoral, curing a disease is not. :lol:

[Halfmetal]

You've got to be a Jehovas Witness yourself, right? :blink:

No. Just someone that can't stand intolerance.


rofl I dont care what they do. My point is that I think it's stupid the way they think and act about this kind of thing.
Same answer as above, doesnt mean I think their views blood transfusions etc isnt utterly stupid, harsh and unfair.

I never asked you not to think that. But Nagase, was going about crap, like, 'it should be law' and stuff.


That is why I think it's stupid. How can you compare 1000's of deaths to HEALING someone of a DISEASE. Please, tell me, what is so wrong about it the first place? Why do they find medical treatment in that way so "immortal" as you put it


Being racist is immoral, killing people for no reason is immoral, beating your kids is immoral, curing a disease is not. :lol:

Do you know why they think blood transfussion is wrong? I don't.

[Nagase]

No. Just someone that can't stand intolerance.

Intolerance and allowing someone to die by denying medical treatment on faith alone is different.

I never asked you not to think that. But Nagase, was going about crap, like, 'it should be law' and stuff.

It should....Letting someone die due to religon in my opinion is ridiculous and should be banned. Let them kill themselves, but DO NOT let them decide on someone else's life due to a religon.

[deceptacon]

It should....Letting someone die due to religon in my opinion is ridiculous and should be banned. Let them kill themselves, but DO NOT let them decide on someone else's life due to a religon.

i actually agree with this..
i try to stay out of serious discussion, but i find that to be insane

[Halfmetal]

Intolerance and allowing someone to die by denying medical treatment on faith alone is different.

Er..okay? What's your point?



It should....Letting someone die due to religon in my opinion is ridiculous and should be banned. Let them kill themselves, but DO NOT let them decide on someone else's life due to a religon.

And I've just shown you why that is wrong. You haven't yet responded.

[Nagase]

Going round in circles with you half metal....

Meh, few hundred years in the future and religon will probably die out anyway, like it has done today since a few hundreds years in our past.

[xThexNewxPrincex]

Going round in circles with you half metal....

Meh, few hundred years in the future and religon will probably die out anyway, like it has done today since a few hundreds years in our past.

I kinda hope it does die out. That way we can have way less wars. Every war fought has been over land or religion.
I don't really believe in anything, that's just me. I don't get the point of religion ^_^ Sorry

[Halfmetal]

Going round in circles with you half metal....


Please elaborate.