Ending of FFVSXIII is a tragedy??

[jenny_kumiko]

Nomura said the FFVSXIII is a tragic...is it a tragedy in the end????maybe the main character will die..it confused me...i hope the character dont die but Nomura said after playing the game..we can cry for 1 week..is it true???What u guys think about it???:(:(

[Khaos]

I love tragedys!
And if it's a tragedy story, the end must the culmination of tragedy. :)

[Whiplash]

Nomura has compared the game to a Shakespearean tragedy so I imagine the main character will die at the end because that's one of the recurring themes of Shakespeare's tragedies. Whether it upsets anyone enough for them to cry at all, let alone for a week, remains to be seen. He'll also probably start out being noble but will be a really weasley bastard by the end of it, then regain some sort of nobility before dying.

[Sundance Kid]

Yeah I heard it would be a sad game and all
I hope it is tragic because it seems the tragic stories have the best plot...

[Cilvia]

WTF! there always are tragedic endings in FF!
for example FF7.
Aaaaaaaaaah, i want Versy to be happy after all :((((

[Whiplash]

FFVIII had a happy ending and I always felt that VII did as well. In fact X is the only recent FF I can think of that didn't have a really happy ending (I haven't played IX though so feel free to correct me on that point). And personally I felt that X's ending was the best of all the games that I've just mentioned so I personally don't object to this game being a tragedy so long as it's done well (i.e., like the best Shakespearean tragedies that it claims to be like and not like some whingy emo moan-fest that many of their characters have embodied).

[Cilvia]

Ff7 had happy ending? i dont think so. They have only defeated their enemys, but still they havent found their hapiness- vincent- all girles he liked have died, but i hope he will hang out with uffie but just fan's thoughts :)))) Cloud- zack has died, aerith too. his ideal Sephiroth became a mad maniac, so he's dream was crushed. In the end of AC he only smiled when understood that he is not alone. But i can't imagine he smiles/laughs after that. Nothing changed.
FF7 is really cruel for nervs, when you think about every character as well.
so omg, give us a shadow,dark,mysterious game with unecxpected happy end!
I think that will be really great.

[Hitoshura]

FF7 hasn't actually ended yet since the compilation is not finished.

I wouldn't mind a sad story for FFv13 because it would make the plot a bit more emotional....

[Neal]

^ Yeah, a bit of an emotional plot makes games/movies good. :cunning:

Except that bit in the shaw shank redemption when the old man hangs himself. :(

[Cilvia]

Kira: as i know, there is no Final Fantasy 7 planned yet, which will continue the story after DoC.
Dante: it is too boring, all filmes and games are that planned:
if game is mysterious, dark- sad ending.
If it is shining and happy- all are happy as well.
hmm maybe, the player will have a choice- which ending he will play to- maybe there will be two or more avaliable? well, nomura said that the game will use all PS3 abillities,why not :)

[Rade]

I thought that FFVII had a happy ending... just because bad things have happened doesn't mean there can't be happiness in the future. Sure everyone lost people they loved, but they still managed to save the world and at least still have the friends that remain. It's a happy ending, but a bittersweet one.

I like happy endings but I can like tragedies if it's done right. As long as the conflict is resolved and the world is saved or made into a better place for everyone, then it's ok in my book, even if the main character or someone very close to the main character has to die.

[Whiplash]

Dante: it is too boring, all filmes and games are that planned:
if game is mysterious, dark- sad ending.
If it is shining and happy- all are happy as well.


I think I disagree with this but I may have missed your point. Take the film Muriel's Wedding for example (which I doubt many here have seen but I'll continue anyway). This film has a bright, happy atmosphere, largely due to the use of ABBA songs and moments of comedy but, by your definition of a sad ending, it has one. Sure Muriel has learnt her lesson and we can see that she's going to lead a better, more fulfilling life and not make the same mistakes she has in the past but her mother has died, her friend is still paralysed and her siblings are still miserable. This is why I would argue that FFVII has a happy ending (and I'm going by the end of the game here, screw the spin-offs); the losses of the characters doesn't make the ending sad, it makes the game realistic. No major character actually dies during the ending as with X and there is a sense of hope and newness (I think I'll actually redefine the ending of FFX as 'bittersweet' rather than outright tragic, it's both terribly beautiful and terribly sad, even though I didn't actually really like Tidus). The ending of Othello is much more sad than the end of Macbeth because Macbeth has that hope of restoration of the kingdom, whereas at the end of Othello there is only death and the silence of Iago - no consolation.

What was I talking about?

[Terros]

Tragic could mean a lot of things, it doesn't necessarily mean the character will die at the end. It wouldn't be wise to make it too much like Shakespeare anyway. But it's not out of the question.

[jenny_kumiko]

A good movie need a good plot...tragedy maybe is a good point fo FFVSXIII...

[Timi]

Surely,tragic .
SE says that everyone that have played this game will certainly be crying for the character for whole a week!
Oh, my god.
If my eyes get anything wrong,SE will be to blame for it.

[Hitoshura]

Kira: as i know, there is no Final Fantasy 7 planned yet, which will continue the story after DoC.


There obviously is going to be one. And FF7 ending wasn't necessarily a sad ending because yes, Cloud was sad over Zack and Aerith... but he has Tifa :cunning:

[Whiplash]

But if we go by AC then she's obviously had some breast reduction surgery so she's just not the same.

[Hitoshura]

Opinions^ :cookie:

Where does it say the v13 will be sad?

[Kitmitsu]

Where does it say the v13 will be sad?

Page one of how to be an FFXIII forum admin. Dengeki Interview, E3 2006:

At the press conference you mentioned that a theme in the project was "pain", can you explain what that meant?

Nomura: The current plot is truly very sad. It can be said that pain is from not having any bonds, but it is also the feeling that comes from a tragic story. There will likely not be a love relationship in the story, and it there is it is not what you will imagine. (laughs) You are probably thinking that instead of love it is friendship, but that is not to say there are no female characters. Simply that the main drive of the start is bonds and the pain that accompany them. That is the true nature of pain.

Kitase: Just now you mentioned that "FFVersusXIII" faces the challenge of being identified with the numbering. It is adventurous isn't it. It is something that I've been wanting to do but has not been possible until now. With a game it is often thought to create a conclusion which can be continued. On the other hand we seldom think of how refreshing it can be to have a climax that will remain concluded.

Nomura: After the announcement, there were many questions about the dark hero characteristic of the story, but it is not something so cool. It is not the case where the entire story and all the characters are completely dark. The story contains pain, but that is a realistic part of the expression between the characters and the hero as part of friendship. The story tells of companions who spend time together and the happiness they share each day as well as the heavy responsibilities they carry.

Kitase: Even thought it is a tragedy, there should be some hope somewhere.

Nomura: We'll talk about that next time.

From the Engrish interview it seems there won't be much love there.

[Rade]

Well there might not be love as in romance, but there'll certainly be love between friends. But we have to remember that they're going for realism with Versus, which I think is great. Just because they use the word 'tragedy' doesn't mean it's going to be filled with loss and pain and nothing else. Life is filled with tragedy every day but it's also filled with hope. I think this game will help to teach that even if we lose people who we love, there's always hope.

[Terros]

Well there might not be love as in romance, but there'll certainly be love between friends. But we have to remember that they're going for realism with Versus, which I think is great. Just because they use the word 'tragedy' doesn't mean it's going to be filled with loss and pain and nothing else. Life is filled with tragedy every day but it's also filled with hope. I think this game will help to teach that even if we lose people who we love, there's always hope.
I agree, tragedy doesn't mean anyone has to die, the situation itself could be tragic. You can still be alive and be a tragic person.

[Squall Lionheart]

ffVII~IX had happy endings. even X had a happy ending if you played its sequel (X-2) some bad things happen in all of them. I cant say i think XIII will a happy or sad ending none the less the game will be good. also zack didnt die in XII he died 2 years before it took place i hope some knew that and if not play crisis core, comes out at the end of march.

[Naunen]

Well, he did say something like "Not really but it'll be tragic anyway and not take away from the replay value."

[Terros]

Again this is a question we just can't answer yet, we hardly know anything about the beginning of the game let alone the end. Darn Square, can't even tell us the prologue.

[terek]

Nomura said the FFVSXIII is a tragic...is it a tragedy in the end????maybe the main character will die..it confused me...i hope the character dont die but Nomura said after playing the game..we can cry for 1 week..is it true???What u guys think about it???:(:(


i totally agree with tragic game plot!! it really has an effect on the player!! Not only that, tragic game plot tends to make us remember the character forever like it stuck in your memories...

such as the death of Aeris in ff7 and Tidus dramatic ending in ff10 and also the ff7 crisis core of zack ending .... i think those three title games have really great storyline and great impact on player all over the world... although ff12 also have dramatic scene but the ending really does dissappoint me...

but i really want a romance to happen!! the only reason i played the FF series is the romance plot. PLEASE LET IT HAVE ROMANCE!!! i dun wanna another plot story like ff12...

p/s: agree with terros, there should be some prologue atleast... OR GIVE US A FULL TRAILER OF ALL THE CHARACTER!!!!(so we can make more conclusion on the game ending) why the hell they need to be so secretive about it.

[SinGabrynth]

As long as I don't start cutting myself, I will play it.

[Neal]

A game hasn't made me cry so far. :cookie: MGS4 will probably beat Versus too it, I don't wanna see Snake die. :'(

[Maiya]

Haha, there hasn't been a game that makes me cry either. I hope they can pull it off to make Versus a really sad/tragic game. Can't form off what the heck that would make it so tragic yet, because of the lack of information. BUT, the mood is pretty down there so I think they're starting off well, hell more than well, great.

[XwingsofaresX]

I agree, tragedy doesn't mean anyone has to die, the situation itself could be tragic. You can still be alive and be a tragic person.
yeah like Oedipus the King. oedipus became ashamed at the end, but was mentioned as dead in Antigone. Only thing i want is for the prince to not die.

[Terros]

Exactly, there are examples of tragic people who didn't die, but their circumstances made them tragic.

[Spinel]

Nomura: After the announcement, there were many questions about the dark hero characteristic of the story, but it is not something so cool. It is not the case where the entire story and all the characters are completely dark. The story contains pain, but that is a realistic part of the expression between the characters and the hero as part of friendship. The story tells of companions who spend time together and the happiness they share each day as well as the heavy responsibilities they carry.
Somehow, I have a bad feeling about this words....

A pain about friendships? maybe it's about betrayal.
I've ever think about the last trailer of versus that contains fight of the protagonist and the girl. Could it be something about lost trust friendships?

And talk about the friendships... I guess there will be some yaoi doujinshi about this.... =_=
maybe....

[Maiya]

Somehow, I have a bad feeling about this words....

A pain about friendships? maybe it's about betrayal.
I've ever think about the last trailer of versus that contains fight of the protagonist and the girl. Could it be something about lost trust friendships?

And talk about the friendships... I guess there will be some yaoi doujinshi about this.... =_=
maybe....

Betrayal is something nice to work on I suppose... But I'm used to seeing lots on betryals, broken relationships, etc in stories and such. I'm hoping that they'll somehow find a way to make it new. I doubt it, but I suppose they could do something like betrayal and add twists on it so it doesn't become cliche.

Ahaha. I actually support yaoi, but I don't think I'd like yaoi with the characters of this game. Probably not until I see shotgun guy, but that's not the point.

[Terros]

Perhaps his bond to the crystal causes him pain? What if the last crystal is dying? Despite his efforts he may not be able to help the crystal, who may be a close friend. What if his life and the crystal are connected, that bond could be very troubling for the prince.

[XwingsofaresX]

maybe what we've seen in the trailers can be the end result. the crystal was actually human but died which led to the prince's emo-ish look and solitary sense of humanity. then the loved one he lost is in the crystal. so he protects it. seems sad now that i see it.

[SquallEX]

Maybe he lost his throne

[Mkiza]

Or maybe the prince dosen't die after all :D

Maybe he just kill his friends for some sick reason. Then at last he returns to his mansion like he did in the first trailer... The End XD

[barties]

Ya a tragic ending always have good stories. I wish they die like in a funny way that would make you laugh for a week. That would be cool but people in the gaming industry can never be imuature.

[pupucachi]

maybe what we've seen in the trailers can be the end result. the crystal was actually human but died which led to the prince's emo-ish look and solitary sense of humanity. then the loved one he lost is in the crystal. so he protects it. seems sad now that i see it.
I like that idea. It will be more tragic if he can not protect it in the end.

[Astraia]

maybe important characters will die or something. i was wondering, WHERE ARE THE PRINCE'S 'FRIENDS' in the scene shown in the trailer? why is he all alone???

[SquallEX]

Maybe they wanna show that the prince prefer being alone than hanging out with friends.

[dxgirly]

^Or that he's just like every other person and doesn't spend every waking moment with his friends *shrug*

[Naunen]

^Or that he's just like every other person and doesn't spend every waking moment with his friends *shrug*

----That or his friends just aren't in the palace 'cause, well, if they were there, they'd be freeloaders living in HIS palace. It's just trailers. You know.... The flashy kinds Square shows before scrapping it. Just 'cause they're not there doesn't mean they died or something. :whistle: Considering it looks like things just started.

[VeraAlexander]

I think and hope it will be tragic, as to how i can't really say for sure. I have cried on previous games and i hope FFVXIII will do that to me again, it's only happpened 3 times and 4 is my favorite number, so i want FFVXIII to be the fourth one lol.

[Adam Blade]

If it's Shakespeare like then I'll laugh. Nothing pissed me off more than Shakespeare... fuck him. Over kill.

[Naunen]

If it's Shakespeare like then I'll laugh. Nothing pissed me off more than Shakespeare... fuck him. Over kill.

----If you don't like Shakespeare, then don't post things like this in a thread about Shakespeare references.

[Yuuko-Hime]

I like sheakspeare so it would be awesome if it ends like a sheakspeare tragedy :P

Maybe the prince in the end will loose everything ( his throne, his friends ...) it's not necessery for him to die !

[CaptainCortez]

Hmm, to be honest, I'm kinda going along witht he whole Romeo and Juliet idea.

I think either the girl will die, or they may die both together. Either way I think one of them will die, possibly trying to save the other.

There's going to be a love interest there between skirtgirl and the Prince. ;)

First post anyway, so hey everyone.

[redmotman]

Tragic could mean a lot of things, it doesn't necessarily mean the character will die at the end. It wouldn't be wise to make it too much like Shakespeare anyway. But it's not out of the question

[topgunffx]

yea tragic could mean that the ending doesn't go as the main party planned for it to go....

[-Tidus4]

ofcourse there's going to be a tragic ending... This game is ment to have a "dark" plot, so i don't see a wedding or such happening at the end.

I just want to be surprised really, I doubt Nomura is going to do the obvious and kill the main character so people can say "this game made me cry". I recon there'll be alot of back stabbing and twists in the story. And also it would be better if some of the side characters or skirt girl died and then at the end you have the prince pissed off with his red eyes seeking revenge all in one huge pre-rendered cutscene. This way we can cry and experience a badass pissed off to his limits.

[CaptainCortez]

I pretty much agree with you above. ;)

I reckon he'll lose almost everything, some of, if not all of his friends will die, and his love interest may also die........turning him into the darkened character he seems to be portrayed as.

Backstabbing and plot twists are pretty much a given in my opinion.

[Theaxe999]

Hmm, to be honest, I'm kinda going along witht he whole Romeo and Juliet idea.

I think either the girl will die, or they may die both together. Either way I think one of them will die, possibly trying to save the other.

There's going to be a love interest there between skirtgirl and the Prince. ;)

First post anyway, so hey everyone.

ahh no. No love interest between the goddamn skirtgirl and prince DX (btw he's prettier than her)

[Misschoco]

Sounds too emo for his death or his friends death to be tragic.*slits* :wtf:

Bleh this might be a little twisted but what if he like lost his sanity which in turn cost him everything he appreciated due to immense psychological disturbances.

[iThe Princei]

if this were true, I hope it is good. I have to admit I would like it to be more of an impact than kingdom hearts games and or the long ending of metal gear solid 4. Those made me have a tear every time played them.

[Misschoco]

if this were true, I hope it is good. I have to admit I would like it to be more of an impact than kingdom hearts games and or the long ending of metal gear solid 4. Those made me have a tear every time played them.
Kingdom hearts was plain cute thats why it had a sweet somewhat sad impact.FFvsxii being sweet-rofl lulz :wtf:

Metal gear solid would've bought tears to someone eyes due to the fact that it was a long running series,snake was fuking epic,and the series which felt as though it still had to continue came to an end.

Im anticipating to see how much more of an impact it will make then the above games.

[dxgirly]

Does anyone know where they stand on a possible multi-ending? "Good", "Bad", etc, based on how you play or the choices they make?

I love multiple endings personally and they add to the replay value. IMO. That way I could get a tragic ending and happy ending

[Misschoco]

Does anyone know where they stand on a possible multi-ending? "Good", "Bad", etc, based on how you play or the choices they make?

I love multiple endings personally and they add to the replay value. IMO. That way I could get a tragic ending and happy ending
I personally think that that would be quite *shit*

1.A multiple ending would be too confusing,incomplete and inconsistent.
2.A real solid ending would create a better closure.
3.*if* a sequel were to be released it'd be inconsistent with the previous game.
4.I dont want two sides of the story being explained to me on wikipedia.

[iThe Princei]

Kingdom hearts was plain cute thats why it had a sweet somewhat sad impact.FFvsxii being sweet-rofl lulz :wtf:

Metal gear solid would've bought tears to someone eyes due to the fact that it was a long running series,snake was fuking epic,and the series which felt as though it still had to continue came to an end.

Im anticipating to see how much more of an impact it will make then the above games.

I think they both had an huge impact on me after playing them. I feel that the song dearly beloved in kingdom hearts is one of the saddest songs I have heard. They both made me sad PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS =(

[dxgirly]

I personally think that that would be quite *shit*

1.A multiple ending would be too confusing,incomplete and inconsistent.
2.A real solid ending would create a better closure.
3.*if* a sequel were to be released it'd be inconsistent with the previous game.
4.I dont want two sides of the story being explained to me on wikipedia.

Good points. I think I really just like that they add to replay value and give me extra things to work towards. I dunno. I can definitely see what you're saying though. Especially since SE has gone a bit sequel/prequel crazy

[ZenTzen]

For a game that's supposed to be based on current world events I think it'll be a tragic game, even though too much tragedy pisses me a little

[xkeyblademasterx07]

WTF! there always are tragedic endings in FF!
for example FF7.
Aaaaaaaaaah, i want Versy to be happy after all :((((

lol its actually named versus becuase in latin versus means like "counter"
this final fantasy will be like a counter to the other ones as in it will be sadder, most final fantasys are not continuly sad throughout the storyline and maybe this one will be

[CrossX5]

I like this topic.

Indeed Nomura did note to us that Versus is going to be a bit of a tragic. And I love a good tragedy story. But I don't want Prince dying... I want him to live on. But I get this strong feeling that Versus is going to have an awsome storyline to it. Hope that story won't include Prince dying or anything.

[ArxTheHero]

I really would like to see a sad ending. No FF has really made me really sad. Most likely the Prince and Skirt Girl will die.

[KimRaiHyun]

Tragedy !!!
Maybe the ending will be similiar to Romeo and Juliet...=)

[Naunen]

Tragedy !!!
Maybe the ending will be similiar to Romeo and Juliet...=)

----Do you have any idea of how many people think the same?

[Nox Noctis Consuasor]

I thought Nomura said that the story was inspired by Hamlet... Or something.
Buuut, I imagine that the ending will be something like... Noctis dies a horrible, bloody, gun-related death- along with Stella, not before his friends die. *coughscarguycoughshotgunguycoughwhoeverelsecough*
=_=
I can just see it.

[7 of Hope]

I dont really like storys that end with some one dieing or anything like that. I hope no one dies, but i have a feeling someone will. But, somehow i think the story wouldn't be as good if it ended happy. Some storys are just meant to be sad.

[Nox Noctis Consuasor]

Well, they have said that it would probably be the darkest Final Fantasy yet.
And that means alot, when compared to some of the others.

[Versia]

I don't think it will end like Romeo and Juliet, because there is no lovestory in Versus. I believe that the prince will die. If the story has any similarities with Shakespear's Hamlet, then it will be so.
I like tragedys, but relating to Versus I feel depressed by now.

[Stella Nox Fleuret]

I'd like something sad, because FF series has a happy ending...
Maybe Noctis dies... Like Yuri in Shadow Hearts II--Love that game.
But we don't know about romance at all, the relationship between Noctis and Stella.
I mean they were saying FFXII won't have romance, but you could tell the Rasler x Ashe, or even Balthier I mean.
I hope Square-Enix surprise us.

[KimRaiHyun]

----Do you have any idea of how many people think the same?


So is it wrong to give my opinion just like that ? why so serious ?
Lol.
Forgive Me If I Was Wrong...:)
Then another prediction..
How about an ending like Itachi and sasuke ?
Noctis fought Stella.Stella died and Noctis found out her real intentions with the fight earlier..
And then...
THE END.Hahaha..:lol:

If you keep saying "Do you have any idea of how many people think the same?"
Then i will answer..




"No, i don't !" :rolleyes:

J.K

Like Stella said...
"hope square enix surprise us"

[Naunen]

So is it wrong to give my opinion just like that ? why so serious ?
Lol.
Forgive Me If I Was Wrong...:)
Then another prediction..
How about an ending like Itachi and sasuke ?
Noctis fought Stella.Stella died and Noctis found out her real intentions with the fight earlier..
And then...
THE END.Hahaha..:lol:

If you keep saying "Do you have any idea of how many people think the same?"
Then i will answer..




"No, i don't !" :rolleyes:

J.K

Like Stella said...
"hope square enix surprise us"

----I meant, use your own thoughts to form an opinion rather than have something so generic like "Maybe the ending will be similiar to Romeo and Juliet..." Not much of an opinion in itself.

Yes, that Itachi vs. Sasuke speculation would be fucking epic in a game like that. I'd think it'd be more so if the Prince were the one dying. :cunning: I'd love to have a main guy die.

[GarnetxNoctis]

i believe...(thinking very dark)
Since Stella and Noctis seems to be enemies but they hesitate to hurt each other means that they care for each other. IN MY OPINION
i think in the end Stella may try to act bad..then when she sees that noctis is in danger she will run and try to protect him in the last minute
Thus, giving up her own life. and she dies in noctis's arms saying everything she always wanted to say to him. (THATS SAD)
Then Storm snapps and the crystals TRUE power wil lbe revealed and he becomes more stronger.(sorry im a story writer lmao)
then in the end he will say what ever he wanted to her to himself..
..what if he cries!!! what if he breaks down and blames the crystals for all of the bad in his life and cries. i think more then one person will die
when i mean cry i dont mean like a baby..out of anger and his pain
yes so what do you think of my ideas?

I like this topic.

Indeed Nomura did note to us that Versus is going to be a bit of a tragic. And I love a good tragedy story. But I don't want Prince dying... I want him to live on. But I get this strong feeling that Versus is going to have an awsome storyline to it. Hope that story won't include Prince dying or anything.


OMG I DONT WANT HIM TO DIE EITHER
anything but that

[Luriana]

HELL YEAH, I want them to die. I want a sad ending for Final Fantasy.

But in the end, I think it'll be like Zelda: Majora's Mask... it's the darkest game ever on the Zelda franchise and still, there's a happy ending.

Unless the character development throughout the game is excellent, which will make me care about them :aldo:, their death would be awesome. Finally a stabbing end.

@Naunen: Yeah, an Itachi vs. Sasuke speculation would be cosmically awesome.

:cookie:

[Bluewing]

I wouldn't mind it being a sad ending, but for a game like this, I really want it to be a good one.
Noctis and Stella both seems so unique to die. If that's what will happen. If another person dies, or something else happens, I'll probably accept it.. Noctis and Stella just HAS to live. :'(

[GarnetxNoctis]

I wouldn't mind it being a sad ending, but for a game like this, I really want it to be a good one.
Noctis and Stella both seems so unique to die. If that's what will happen. If another person dies, or something else happens, I'll probably accept it.. Noctis and Stella just HAS to live. :'(


AWW I THINK some of noctis's friends will die saving him or somin
but stella seems most likely to get hurt really bad ot die

[Luriana]

Despite being a dark game, I don't think the ending will be tragic. Seriously, I don't picture Noctis dying... perhaps Stella, but not Noctis.

[Thunder]

I wouldn't mind it being a sad ending, but for a game like this, I really want it to be a good one.
Noctis and Stella both seems so unique to die. If that's what will happen. If another person dies, or something else happens, I'll probably accept it.. Noctis and Stella just HAS to live. :'(
I think she deserves to die just because she did that stupid twist on one foot whit the hands behind her back :wtf:

[Purple]

I really would like to see a sad ending. No FF has really made me really sad. Most likely the Prince and Skirt Girl will die.

Me too. A change of phase would be nice. FFX kinda had a sad ending...until FFX-2 came along.

[Bluewing]

I think she deserves to die just because she did that stupid twist on one foot whit the hands behind her back :wtf:

oh you are evil :|

[Luriana]

Drama Queen Vs XIII.

[Naunen]

I hope we're still on topic here. -_- Sounds like we're gonna veer off soon so I thought to say that.

[OujiMakaSan]

I mean i like tragedies BUT WTF!! NOOOO he cant die..its going to break all the fans heart b/c we had begun to adore him [well i adored him since the 1st trailer came out] thats will be messed up. Also i would be crying probably more than a week. Hopefully he doesnt die.!

[Luriana]

His character is going to get better and better as the game progresses and as we expect a happy ending... BOOM SHAKABOOM, he dies. Like in every game where the main character gains my utter respect.

[Nox Noctis Consuasor]

^
@
You are absolutely right, mate.
It always happens.
Er.. Usualy happens.

[GarnetxNoctis]

i still think that somin had to make stella and noctis enemies even though they might not
have wanted it that way
and in the end one will save another
and one has to die
that would be sad. you guys are saying sad LIKE FF7 Aeris's death
yes it was sad but not tragic. she just stood there and was stabbed
to die cause your saving someone and that someone didnt know you even cared
is tragic and heartbreaking
but really..i cant think of anything else that would make us cry for weeks
cept her dying or noctis in a bloody aftermath
OR Stella dies Noctis snaps and turns like ultra strong to kill the enemie. then noctis thinks he killed him but then the enemy kills him in the end.or maybe if the crystal IS Noctis's life
then in the end Noctis will destroy the crystal along with his life to save the world...MAYBE

OR Noctis will HAVE to KILL Stella himself even though he doesnt want to

[Wacka14]

I still say one of his friends is bound to betray him. It's gotta be Glasses Guy...never trust a guy with glasses:shifty:


Stella dying might be sad., but Noct loosing his childhood friends would be tragic. Bro's before strange light see'n blonde chicks you met at a party:D

[Naunen]

I still say one of his friends is bound to betray him. It's gotta be Glasses Guy...never trust a guy with glasses:shifty:


Stella dying might be sad., but Noct loosing his childhood friends would be tragic. Bro's before strange light see'n blonde chicks you met at a party:D

----Childhood friends? Where does it say that? o.o;

[Wacka14]

Nomura: That’s right. They have not banded together for any purpose or destiny. This lot, who are always horsing around find themselves at the heart of the story by chance.

This leads me to believe they have known each other for a while. Maybe I shouldn't have said childhood, but he makes it seem like they're jolly old buddys

[GarnetxNoctis]

I still say one of his friends is bound to betray him. It's gotta be Glasses Guy...never trust a guy with glasses:shifty:


Stella dying might be sad., but Noct loosing his childhood friends would be tragic. Bro's before strange light see'n blonde chicks you met at a party:D


i must agree..not just cause he wears glasses
but in the trailer he seems rather different and distant from the rest of thr group..haveing the attitude like ( i dont wanna be here with these imbeciles)
i think he is most likely the one to betray he doesnt look like he wants to be friends..rather than just work partners

[Wacka14]

more quotes from the Nomuraman him self-


-Will this be a story of male camaraderie, similar to Crisis Core?

Nomura: No, for instance, someone [important] dies, and you must take revenge, well it won't be a soppy story like that. It will adopt a more general road movie sense. As to why I chose a story about men, well, for example, among school friends, when they go traveling, its normal to see any combination of fellows in groups of all one gender. Thats all. We can look back on when we were students, and remember enjoying horsing around with our peers with no particular aim in mind.

It's weird because he makes it seem all hunky dory here. what goes wrong on the trip???...they run out of gas:'(That's the real tragedy

in all seriousness though, maybe all these friends being so close to each other will drive them apart as the game progresses. When you're stuck with nothing but your friends for an extended period of time, ugly things surface.

[Sadistic]

I like the idea of a tragic ending to Versus. It's just a question of what the tragedy will be. Now, Noctis is about to become a king, and he is surrounded by close friends/guards. Those three seem lighthearted as the typical young male would be, but Noctis understandably holds much more responsibility. I'm under the impression that Noct's father has just died from the new information that has surfaced from the radio playing in the car.
What if the tragedy is that another nation manages to destroy the crystal Noctis' family is keeping, and that causes some great calamity. Noctis is fatally injured in an explosion, killing off the last in a long line of monarchy.

^ Random, half-thought out chaos-plot-tragedy theory. >_<

[Wacka14]

BAMF*

I think about what Nomura has done in the past by focusing more on male relationships with friends rather than romantic onesI don't totally blame him for this. Being a guy who has a great many close guy friends that I've known for years, if I lost one of them it would hurt me mounds more than if I lost some chick. Guys are emotional wrecks and if I(like Sora from KH) had been searching for my friend For frikken ever(he'd already found Kairi once) and he told me he'd been hiding from me, I'd probably break down too. Plus Sora was probably trying to look cool in front of Kairi...although riu kinda screwed that up


^ I use all that to further the foundation of the idea of Nocts relationship with his friends. If you've ever seen Four Brothers with Marky Mark then you should recall the scene where they are getting attacked and one of the brothers is dying in the street as the others try to get to him. It's the saddest most heart wrenching thing in the world and I remember tearing up and thinking, if that were me and my brothers( I have 2) I'd be so desperate not to loose them

All that being said, Romance(when done right) can break the viewer down into a puddle of empathy and goo. But if they want to go a new way with this, they should make us believe this band of brothers is truly close and then take them away from us...one...by...one. And that is tragic, my friends

[SANAO]

yes a good friendship relationship is more powerful than a romance one =[

[Vtks]

well i dont know if u posted this already but i think that the tragedic ending would be something like this:

Noct and stella fell so deeply in love at a point that they both survived when they fought each other

and then the villan (maybe the white robbed guy) kills Stella and 1 or 2 of Noct's friends and that could be dont u think????



NOTE: Erase this if somone else posted it before (its just that i were bored to read every single post so i posted this without thinking)

[Kurai Warrior]

Or maybe the tragedy could be that he loses everyone he cares about, and I mean everyone. And because all this chaos and bloodshed was caused by the crystal, he becomes so angry that he destroys it, and surrenders to the enemy because he has nothing to live for, they shoot him and he dies, yet the enemy never wins because he destroyed the crystal.
Meh my depressing take on it.
Wouldn't it be funny as f*ck if the ending was actually happy :wtf:

[Whitesparkles]

i actually doubt Noctis will die, either stella or one of his buddies are highly likely, FF rarely kills off their main lead

[Vtks]

i actually doubt Noctis will die, either stella or one of his buddies are highly likely, FF rarely kills off their main lead

but this is non of a common FF

[Ikkin]

more quotes from the Nomuraman him self-


-Will this be a story of male camaraderie, similar to Crisis Core?

Nomura: No, for instance, someone [important] dies, and you must take revenge, well it won't be a soppy story like that. It will adopt a more general road movie sense. As to why I chose a story about men, well, for example, among school friends, when they go traveling, its normal to see any combination of fellows in groups of all one gender. Thats all. We can look back on when we were students, and remember enjoying horsing around with our peers with no particular aim in mind.

It's weird because he makes it seem all hunky dory here. what goes wrong on the trip???...they run out of gas:'(That's the real tragedy

in all seriousness though, maybe all these friends being so close to each other will drive them apart as the game progresses. When you're stuck with nothing but your friends for an extended period of time, ugly things surface.

I think something like this might be closer to Nomura's actual intention that the Shakespearian type of tragedy in which virtually everyone of importance dies.

This is supported by a quote that was brought up on the first page, the implications of which have been almost entirely overlooked:

Nomura: After the announcement, there were many questions about the dark hero characteristic of the story, but it is not something so cool. It is not the case where the entire story and all the characters are completely dark. The story contains pain, but that is a realistic part of the expression between the characters and the hero as part of friendship. The story tells of companions who spend time together and the happiness they share each day as well as the heavy responsibilities they carry.


Kitase: Even thought it is a tragedy, there should be some hope somewhere.


I would emphasize the important parts, but it would just end up with everything in bold anyway.

In any case, the most important point to note here is that sadness in the story is just supposed to be a "realistic part of the expression between the characters and the hero as part of friendship."

What is so important about this? Well, think about how friendships in games traditionally go - generally speaking, the characters get along with each other perfectly well, until some outside force (usually the same one which is trying to destroy the world) barges in and forces them apart. Sure, the game might say that there were latent issues that the bad guys just took advantage of... but friends in games almost never conflict when there is no direct outside interference.

Which all makes me think that the reason why Versus will be painful and tragic is because it will focus on all of the internal conflicts that usually get overlooked in order to focus on the conflict with an external evil. Rather than perfectly happy storybook friends who only come into conflict when manipulated by the Big Bad, we might get complicated, messy people who, like all people, have personalities which clash and cause problems because of who they are, rather than because of what happens to them. Or, to put it another way, we'll get active agents who are responsible for their own suffering, rather than passive characters who just have bad things happen to them through no fault of their own.

This interpretation makes the most sense out of the first Nomura quote, that Versus won't be a soppy story like someone dying and having to take revenge. It seems quite odd to think of a revenge story as "soppy," unless one thinks of it in terms of activeness vs. passivity. Stories about revenge, by necessity, require something bad to happen to a character who didn't do anything to deserve it - and in that sense, they're no different than a Lifetime movie. It also fits with the road movie reference, since road movies as a genre concentrate on internal rather than external conflicts.

It also fits the true definition of tragedy much better than simply dropping bridges on everyone - to be tragic, a character needs to be responsible for what happens. Otherwise, you've just got angsty melodrama.

This is not to say that the ending cannot involve significant casualties on the good guys' side. But, if such a thing does happen, it should flow from Noct's (or a friend's) character, rather than from sheer misfortune.

[Whitesparkles]

but this is non of a common FF

whats soo uncommon about this game?? cause it has versus in between the fantasy and XIII?:P

[Stella Nox Fleuret]

Well...
I'd like to see Noctis sacrificing himself or something.
Like in Valkyrie Profile 2, Alicia had to sacrifice herself, or in Shadow Hearts Alice had and Yuri in Shadow Hearts 2.
Or something happens and Noctis loose all of his memories, turning him into an empty vessel.

[Moffat]

:(Versus must be the tragedy conclusion?! Did the similar leading character die? Or the leading lady died?

[Naunen]

:(Versus must be the tragedy conclusion?! Did the similar leading character die? Or the leading lady died?

----The game's not even out yet. We're only GUESSING on what the ending may be like.

[Moffat]

----The game's not even out yet. We're only GUESSING on what the ending may be like.

One think being that tragedy final , I can not help thinking of right away being of great possibility is that feminine lead dies first. This condition sees comparatively much, ...TAT

[killerkira16]

Well since This games theme is dark and evil
my opinion is that the lead character is to die since
the strongest always seems to die in alot of stories i have read

[Misschoco]

Well since This games theme is dark and evil
my opinion is that the lead character is to die since
the strongest always seems to die in alot of stories i have read
Yh I'd cry like hell but I'd find it slightly cliche.I cant really explain why.It'd be interesting to see one of the characters develop a psychoscial interaction with their environment.I see a breakdown of a main player quite upsetting.

[Clerical]

hmm,in the trailer there was some transparent sort of weapons(various types as well) revolving around noc,maybe they're the weapons of the friends he has lost?

And maybe as the only survivor out the group of friends,he's using their weapons,like fighting for their cause as well

so the trailer might be showing the events that's happening during the mid storyline of the game,or near end,something like FFX whereby the opening was the whole group already at zanarkand

Just a wild guess >_<

[Luriana]

^That's a point, Clerical. But I don't think that the swords belonged to his friends, perhaps to his family, since they are the defenders of the Crystal, and Noctis is the last remnant of the Caelum family (at least so far, I have this feeling that there's still someone of the family alive, perhaps it's Stella :cookie:, the shotgunman, whatever, this would open a lengthy discussion, methinks).

[versuschick]

I hope noctis doesn't die.
he is the protagonist of versus
and zack fair the protagonist of VII crisis core.
if noctis die. it's the same end as crisis core's end.

[murasame]

Nomura said the FFVSXIII is a tragic...is it a tragedy in the end????maybe the main character will die..it confused me...i hope the character dont die but Nomura said after playing the game..we can cry for 1 week..is it true???What u guys think about it???:(:(
the main character wont die......just both of the city blown up by a uncontrolled power which is the crystal.....it was wrongly used by a man with a tattoo on his hand(bad guy)....an old man and a friend of the prince being killed by him....so far lotsa people think that the main character will die....hmmh there is a few percent of it are correct but the prince was saved by a girl named stella just before the explosion.....

[Naunen]

the main character wont die......just both of the city blown up by a uncontrolled power which is the crystal.....it was wrongly used by a man with a tattoo on his hand(bad guy)....an old man and a friend of the prince being killed by him....so far lotsa people think that the main character will die....hmmh there is a few percent of it are correct but the prince was saved by a girl named stella just before the explosion.....

----What are you talking about? Link, please. -_-

[murasame]

----What are you talking about? Link, please. -_-
Ask the guy named Ruichi....he knows everything.....

[Naunen]

Ask the guy named Ruichi....he knows everything.....

----Either proof of credible valid info or get out. -_-

[versuschick]

^^^^ i hope it ends like that

[murasame]

----Either proof of credible valid info or get out. -_-
cheh......u will see it later.....once the game is publish.....call me....or email me....
anyway....i'm going now....

[Sundance Kid]

Good now dont come back, you're wasting space
:cookie:

[Yue]

Noctis can die in the game too, it would be a sad ending too when one of his friendz die.

[murasame]

ahh...one more thing..
the main character use different weapon to kill each enemy....

.,.""''yayaya....I wont be back anyway....''"".,.

[Naunen]

cheh......u will see it later.....once the game is publish.....call me....or email me....
anyway....i'm going now....

ahh...one more thing..
the main character use different weapon to kill each enemy....

.,.""''yayaya....I wont be back anyway....''"".,.

----Get the hell out. We don't need your bullshit. I'll help you get out if you keep making up shit like this and if you can't even as easily as link to credible sources. -_-

[murasame]

push me....kick me.....block me.....do it...
ahh crap.....u r wasting my time....and all the fact that tickles....
gotta get back to work.......
remember to email me once the game is publish....
kkk....bye bye everybody....bye bye.....



p/s: Naunen, u r completely doesnt know anything.

(http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/forums/member.php?u=537)

[Naunen]

push me....kick me.....block me.....do it...
ahh crap.....u r wasting my time....and all the fact that tickles....
gotta get back to work.......
remember to email me once the game is publish....
kkk....bye bye everybody....bye bye.....



p/s: Naunen, u r completely doesnt know anything.

(http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/forums/member.php?u=537)

----And you can't even give a source. We'll be seeing you again perhaps. :aldo:

[Sundance Kid]

@mura(whatever): If you're going to attempt to bad mouth someone, do it right by not making yourself anymore of an infected penis then you already are.


On topic: I'd like versus to have the main character died, it'd make it more interesting....

[DaveyBoy]

I'm not that keen on games that have a rather bad ending as it may make me not go on it again, even though that sounds rather daft lol, but knowing me with it being final fantasy i will kepe going on it and on it.

[killerkira16]

Noctis will be killed By stella cuz he will let her....maybe..Dark

[Phoenix117]

I hope there's a tragic ending. FFX's ending was so powerfull simply because it was sad.

Given the nature of Versus it wouldn't suprise me if things dont end up happy

[_Herbal_]

I guess there will be idea of friendship trait.
Like Noctis sacrifaces himself for Stella, and gets killed by someone of his friends.
or maybe the whole group of them will die together, while fighting against sadfsgafdgs, like it was with Zack in FF7. They knew that they went to the death and so it is.
P.S. i didnt expect that opinion from myself, no , really :)

[Thunder]

I think Stella will die instead of Noctis. The main character never dies :/

[Eufonius]

i smell a GTA 4 ending lol

[Phoenix117]

I think Stella will die instead of Noctis. The main character never dies :/
What about Tidus?

[Nox]

What about Tidus?

He technically didn't die. He was part of the fayth's dream, and that dream faded...so he did, too.

Perhaps Noctis and Stella both may die, or she kills one of his friends and he kills her, or so on. Death doesn't always have to be the only tragedy, though. What if his friend's turned on him, or he turned on his friends? They would then be enemies, thus the ending would most likely be tragic.

[Phoenix117]

He technically didn't die. He was part of the fayth's dream, and that dream faded...so he did, too.
But he still ceased to exist, which is really the same thing

[Thunder]

What about Tidus?
And what about x-2's good and perfect ending? :aldo:

[Phoenix117]

And what about x-2's good and perfect ending? :aldo:
And what about the fact that X-2 was obviously just SE messing around (or atleast thats the only explanation I can think of for why it was so bad...)

:P

[Thunder]

And what about the fact that X-2 was obviously just SE messing around (or atleast thats the only explanation I can think of for why it was so bad...)

:P
I agree about the messing around of a good story :wtf: [/ot]

anyway i still doubt noct will die, otherwise the tragedy will be too obvious. i still hope stella is the one to die :)

[soyrun]

Didnt nomura compare it to shakespeare? maybe itll be like hamlet or romeo and juliette or something

[Ikkin]

Didnt nomura compare it to shakespeare? maybe itll be like hamlet or romeo and juliette or something

No. The only reference to Shakespeare that was made in anything official is the Hamlet quote that's been used since the beginning ("There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so").

Versus is probably not a Shakespearian-type tragedy, in any case. Tragic heroes, in the traditional sense, have to be better than normal people (and not just in the "he's royalty" sense) - it's supposed to draw more pity when someone who's almost too good to be a real person falls than when a normal person does, or something. So, if Versus is focusing on making the characters feel human, Noct can't be a tragic hero.

[Terros]

I think the tragedy has more to do with what is going on the FFvsXIII world, and the situations the characters are place in as a result.

[Teck]

With just how dark the game is looking to be so far and the obvious references to Shakespeare (who was known for tragedies btw if you've never read any of his work) I think we're boned here.... Which is sad because I'm already very excited about the characters in this installment....