Dark and sad

[Yin&Yang]

Someone said (joking) that Versus will be so sad and dark you would cry a week after finishing it:'( Wonder what will make it so sad - kill the main charackter in the end or something worse...

[Enedok]

We have dicussed that this could be a much darker game then any other FF, but I cant see any hint that it will be sad.

But we can't say that the main caracter dies and it's sad. Its not sad befor we have played with him for hours and heard his story, loved ones, childhood etc.

Then it's sad if he dies.

But as I said, this would be a darker game, maby more brutal and direct one too.

[Desi]

Dark and Sad(well also change) seems to be the big draw of Mistwalker's Lost Odyssey as well.

But on topic, the main person dieing wouldn't be as sad as say a character losing all of their stats and abilities that you worked so hard on. If a moment like that was in the game I would be sad.

[Enedok]

But on topic, the main person dieing wouldn't be as sad as say a character losing all of their stats and abilities that you worked so hard on. If a moment like that was in the game I would be sad.

You're a cruel human! I treat my FF characters as semi-living people and not as a bunch of stats. While some people are writing detailed FAQ how to beat this and this boss with these skill and armours and suggests that you must be at "this" lvl, I bash may way past them :D

I can never delete a RPG game save even if I lost my CD. I protect all my memorysticks in a box even if i know i will never take them up again. Couse inside those are my namaka:crazy:

Ok I'm not such a freak, but i like to keep the old saves. And if it's a part of the game where you lose everything, it's ok. Couse it's a part of the story. I get much more angry then sad when I have a damaged savefile and have to restart from scratch. (memo to myself, always backup)

[Desi]

Well I do all the exact same things you said. But yes them losing all their stats would be much worst then death.

[Kitmitsu]

I'm sorta with both of you :P If i lost my saves i'd be like "NOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY DIED!" then the slow realisation of reality would come back to me and then "NOOOOOOOOOOO THE PAST 49 HOURS WORK!"

Anyway back on topic. Techniquly Every single FF (I've played anyway :unsure:) has had a sad story and if we're suggesting the main character dying at the end FFX does come to mind. I think i heard someone say the "cry for a week" thing too though. I dare to think what could cause that.

[Desi]

Well I do all the exact same things you said. But yes them losing all their stats would be much worst then death.
Yes Desi i totally understand. Like if they became handicap and lost their legs. All that work and time bonding to have them near useless. Even worst it has the character sink in a form of depression that you can but only feel sorry for.

[Enedok]

Huh? Did you just quote, confirm and agree with yourself?:huh:

[Mikao]

Wow... quoting yourself for the sake of conversation... xD

Anyways all Final Fantasies have deep, dark stories that really get you involved and force you to develop a relationship with the characters. That relationship often effects how much you enjoy the game. I think that with Versus there are just going to be much more plot changes and an actual dark heir about the game itself.

[Yin&Yang]

But what do you think would make it more emotional and darker than the other FF's have allready been?

[Enedok]

First of all, we need a hash beginning. More violent then ever. Something like the childhood to sasuke in naruto. (to those who know naruto)

Then we need him see his friends die in an accident, then two years later all his new friends die too. :P

So he is all alone in this world. (the dark part)

The emotional part would be that after 10-12 years in exile (or in the undreground world) he will meet "someone". Big chance it is his future girlfriend

[Yin&Yang]

They said they won't put the main emphasis on romance this time but on frienship instead. But we'll never know...

[Desi]

i still say someone needs to become handicap!!! Break their fingers or something like archers caught in war or something....

[Enedok]

They said they won't put the main emphasis on romance this time but on frienship instead. But we'll never know...

Where did you read that?

Hmm, reads wikipedia

The protagonist, a mysterious young man with dark blue hair and crimson eyes. The last heir to a dynasty ruling the only remaining city in the world to control crystals, he protects his home from marauders that would conquer the city and take the crystals as their own. He wields a number of different weapons, including swords, spears, and lances, and can even induce them (telepathically or otherwise) to move in the air independently of him and form a whirling barrier around himself.


So he is royal blood then. And have a misson to protect crystals

[Kitmitsu]

So he is royal blood then. And have a misson to protect crystals

http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/crystallis/ffversusxiii/characters.php ;)

I would have thought it would involve love of some kind like every other game but then again its kind of opposite to the others isnt it.

I'd hate for one of my characters to become handicaped >_< Would feel sorry for them for the rest of the game. Hmmmm wonder if there will be a sort of emotional song for the game too.

[Enedok]

http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/crystallis/ffversusxiii/characters.php ;)

Ooohh, sorry, busted>_< I have a "bad" habit to go to wiki for everything.

Hadicap character....

Maby a new class ey? Some guy in weelchair with higly developed OMG l33t phsycic pwerzz.

The, emm... Disabled Mage?

[IstvanKovacs]

Well the saddest, most emotionla scene I ever saw in a Final Fantasy game was the death of Aerith.
And I don't really think there's a way to make a game scene anymore emotional than that.
Aerith was like, the best character ever(after Nanaki of course, if he died I don't knwo what I would do:P)and Then she just goes and gets herself killed.

Unless there was a function in the game that deleted your game save right after you defeat the final boss o.O

[Yin&Yang]

-At the press conference you mentioned that a theme in the project was “pain”, can you explain what that meant?

-Nomura: The current plot is truly very sad. It can be said that pain is from not having any bonds, but it is also the feeling that comes from a tragic story. There will likely not be a love relationship in the story, and it there is it is not what you will imagine. (laughs) You are probably thinking that instead of love it is friendship, but that is not to say there are no female characters. Simply that the main drive of the start is bonds and the pain that accompany them. That is the true nature of pain...

-Kitase: Just now you mentioned that “FFVersusXIII” faces the challenge of being identified with the numbering. It is adventurous isn’t it. It is something that I’ve been wanting to do but has not been possible until now. With a game it is often thought to create a conclusion which can be continued. On the other hand we seldom think of how refreshing it can be to have a climax that will remain concluded.

-Nomura: After the announcement, there were many questions about the dark hero characteristic of the story, but it is not something so cool. It is not the case where the entire story and all the characters are completely dark. The story contains pain, but that is a realistic part of the expression between the characters and the hero as part of friendship. The story tells of companions who spend time together and the happiness they share each day as well as the heavy responsibilities they carry.

-Kitase: Even thought it is a tragedy, there should be some hope somewhere.

Full interview at http://www.final-fantasy-13.com/2006/06/06/translation-of-full-interview/

[Enedok]

Thank you :thumbsup: So he is a lonely wolf with not friends.

[Desi]

Thank you :thumbsup: So he is a lonely wolf with not friends.
Ew not another Squall!

[unknown+_+]

:'( Tragedy but with no luv only friendship thats sad don't get me wrong friendships great but weres the luv lol
anyways instead of him becoming handicaped or ect....death:ohmy:
i'm hoping it will have a happy ending

I also tink its great the whole darkness with lots of violence thing [FINALY]
the games going to be great
the main characters even betterXD so far

[XwingsofaresX]

possibly. i almost cried when i saw the trailer:'( ...but look forward to the future.^_^ i know how you feel, dude.

yeah, same here. darker storyline+character=possibly tragic ending...<_<

yeah:'(

[Kitmitsu]

Please be careful not to post more than once in a row. *merges posts* Only reply in one post until another person replies please :)

I do hope its a tragic story, it would make a change to the normal cliche of a hero saving the world in every game there ever is.

[XwingsofaresX]

there's a high chance that there can be a tragic ending in the story. It would be a first for me^_^

[Yin&Yang]

Enough with the tragic story/ending - something specific, like...
Maybe "the lone wolf" will make some friends but at the end they all die and he will be the only one to survive/he hast to kill them all...
or final battle with his best friend you spent hours getting his/her ultima weapon...
or he will be killed by his best friend...
or he understands he has fought for the wrong thing...
and so on...

[Hextan]

Yes, I agree. I would really like to play a game that is as dark and tragic as this one could turn out to be. I haven't played enough games like that. But who knows where it will go.

[Desi]

This thing better be tragic the whole way through. If not I doubt it can be more tragic then most of the FF's.

[Anima]

I think it'll might end like the Hamlet (shakespear) play did and he'll die of poisin but....thats not very exciting so maybe he'll kill his "only friend" or the crystal will blow up or something and he'll no longer wanna live and commit suicide. :/

[Enedok]

I don't want him to die, cruel people:'(

Besides, its so unoriginal and weak. They cant find a ending where he will fit after som crazy story so they kill him off. If they kill him halfway in the story and his son or something have to take over its cool, but kill him in the end? Meh!:nag:

[Hextan]

I would be on the fence with that. Living would be nice but commiting suicide would be an amazing ending to a (probably) amazing game. But it would be really sad. And I hope nobody thinks that I promote suicide.

[XwingsofaresX]

if the character were to die, it should end in the fashion like how cloud did that finisher with yazoo and loz...that would b interesting to see...^_^

what does everyone else think?

^_^

[Desi]

That was bad.
SotC:The way Wanderer died at the end of Shadow of the colossus was the best

[Jernas]

no.. if it is a friendship like someone said here like Naruto and Sasuke's friendship it will cause me a heart attack. But no romance in this game..mmmm... I think if it will be a bit romance it will be much cooler and we can see the other side of our hero! I wanna see him fall in love TT_TT

[Anima]

I don't. I wanna play a final fantasy where I don't always gotta worry about having to save the girls butt every time she gets in trouble. I just want a nice solid action game.

[Jernas]

I don't. I wanna play a final fantasy where I don't always gotta worry about having to save the girls butt every time she gets in trouble. I just want a nice solid action game.

In that one I agree! I want something action and dark no many girls around yada!

[Yin&Yang]

When FF turns into a one man show with only killing involved I'll be the one committing suicide.

[Desi]

When FF turns into a one man show with only killing involved I'll be the one committing suicide.
I'll commit mass murder if romance is involved. So that only leaves politics and religion. I vote both at once! FF: Tactics again.

SotC ending was still more depressing then any FF event

[Yin&Yang]

I didn't say I wanted to see picnics in rose gardens either. the way I see it they are forced to put a little bit of everything in. if not all kind of madness will be imagined any way. next you tell me there wont be any humor in it and chocobos are too cute for a dark game like this.

[Desi]

next you tell me there wont be any humor in it and chocobos are too cute for a dark game like this.
An FF has rarely been funny since VI. And chocobos look like awesome devil spawn in FFXI and XII. So they can be possible.

Chocobo's? meh, they lost their importance more recently except in FFXI where you can raise them and they are much faster then running. Also airships only flew to major cities.

So all I can see with chocobo's would be as a pet. Mounted combat bonus'? Maybe but i feel they may just act like horses in our world today. Just a type of status symbol(or police) or pet and not used for travel.

[Misschoco]

CLouds hair style resembles a chocobos head :lol: . none the less i still like his hair :D

I wouldnt mind romance in this game, but i dont want the girl to be too soppy,crying,emotional blaa blaa blaa not that any girl character in ff is like that

[XwingsofaresX]

i hav to agree with misschoco17-chan. it would be interesting to see a female character opposite the protagonist. if a relationship like that was real in the game, it would be very interesting to see such an intimate relationship like the relationship btw nero and kyrie from DMC4.^_^

[Desi]

Kryie is using Nero. That is all there is too it.

[XwingsofaresX]

aww...i was really looking forward to that relationship too...:'( ...oh well.^_^

[Mad_Hatter]

Commit suicide shows the weakness in humans. I don't think it suits the image of the versus King we see in the trailer (at the moment...he's kinda..cold)

I think:

He's a lone wolf and then he makes some friends. At the end he sacrifies himself for the sake of his friends and his people (if there's any)
Wait... it sounds so much like FFVIII....nah

I think... at the end, he's gonna die. He'll be killed by his enemies along with his friends. But before he dies, he has enough time to perform a some kind of seal to protect the crystals. Eventhough he's strong...that doesn't mean he can't be killed ^^

That type of ending happens a lot. I watched lots of Japanese and Chinese historical movies and the heros (and heroines) all die at the end because they're outnumbered by their enemies.

[Desi]

Commit suicide shows the weakness in humans. I don't think it suits the image of the versus King we see in the trailer (at the moment...he's kinda..cold)


That isn't always true. It depends on culture. In Aztec(i believe) killing yourself was the best way to die. It shows that you have the strength to end your own life. Think about it this way, people fight and kill each other but when it comes down to their turn they break down. Being able to take your own life is something that not everyone can do. I mean I can't even stab myself in the leg, you receive physical and emotional pain.

Even in ancient japanese culture suicide is a better way to die if given the chance.

I am not a fan of suicide but I don't want it to be ruled out.

[Mad_Hatter]

Oh... I know what you mean but that's not what I meant ^^
Commit suicide like samurai or something like that is kinda... "wow" (I mean they're brave) but just because your life is so boring or doesn't go the way you want ---> you want to commit suicide ---> that's weak!

Anyway, no more discussion about suicide ^^. I don't promote suicide

[Lucrecia]

Yeah that's what Tesuya Nomura(the director) says it's going to be like. I really don't want it to be sad, but Nomura said it was the only way to tell the story. And just by watching the trailer you can tell the main character is sad or upset about something.

[Desi]

He looked totally apathetic. Sad he was not.

[Lucrecia]

I guess you could say he looked a little apathetic when he was fighting those soldiers, but how about when he was in the car listening to the radio? Look at the images and you can tell that he looks upset about something.

[Misschoco]

I guess you could say he looked a little apathetic when he was fighting those soldiers, but how about when he was in the car listening to the radio? Look at the images and you can tell that he looks upset about something.

i kinda agree with desi he looks more apathetic.he didnt sigh of cry or nothing so we can rule out the fact he was upset. but only looking at one trailer we cant be too sure.

he displayed strong mindedness too so his emotions probably wouldnt be shrouded be sadness

[Lucrecia]

i kinda agree with desi he looks more apathetic.he didnt sigh of cry or nothing so we can rule out the fact he was upset. but only looking at one trailer we cant be too sure.

he displayed strong mindedness too so his emotions probably wouldnt be shrouded be sadness


I can agree with you there. We'll just have to see other trailers when they come out to see what really is going on. I still think he looked a little upset about something though.

[Misschoco]

I still think he looked a little upset about something though.
we dont see to much to confirm this but we'll have to see the other trailers to be sure

plus i think he looked more determined towards the end-telling from the way his eyebrows slanted in his battle stance

[Lucrecia]

we dont see to much to confirm this but we'll have to see the other trailers to be sure

plus i think he looked more determined towards the end-telling from the way his eyebrows slanted in his battle stance


True. He does look determined. From what Nomura and some of the creators are saying, he is determined to protect the last crystal from intruders, since he is the last heir of his famile and is ruling the city. So I can agree with you there too.

[Alphonse]

Yeah. Lookes dark and sad but it still lookes awesome!

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Dark and sad kinda have a grip on players because, for instance, the trailer is all laughs and giggles... wow, a-mmmmmmazing *sarcasm* <_<

[Misschoco]

Dark and sad kinda have a grip on players because, for instance, the trailer is all laughs and giggles... wow, a-mmmmmmazing *sarcasm* <_<
hehe that'd make the game something of an April fools joke

*bows down to dark and sad themes* i only like these themes if amidst it are strong characters

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

hehe that'd make the game something of an April fools joke

*bows down to dark and sad themes* i only like these themes if amidst it are strong characters

OOooo! APRIL FOOLS!!! lol yuppy-yup-yup! Dark and sad gives off shady shadows and makes everything so.... so.... *braindead*

[Ultima Star]

Dark and sad huh?..we'll just seeing the trailer..makes you think the game is awesome..seeing storm alone in his throne..makes you feel sad well at least that happens to me^_^

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Dark and sad huh?..we'll just seeing the trailer..makes you think the game is awesome..seeing storm alone in his throne..makes you feel sad well at least that happens to me^_^

He's all alone! It make you wanna cry :rolleyes:

[Ultima Star]

Well..yeah..and also the music..

[Alphonse]

Well the music makes him seem a lone that his a strong person to me and it makes me want the game more.XD

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

sh-yeah they have a good way to catch players :nod:

[Ultima Star]

Well nowadays darker games catch the people's attention more than normal games with happy stories XD

[Lucrecia]

I agree. Dark games sure catch my attention. ;)

[Pixel]

Dark and sad huh?..we'll just seeing the trailer..makes you think the game is awesome..seeing storm alone in his throne..makes you feel sad well at least that happens to me^_^

It made me want to know why he is alone and then after I saw the trailer and watched again I got excited because that meant that there was going to be a cold person in the game.:D

I think that people are buying more dark games because they are sick of the happy ones. I prefer one like KOTOR II where they have dialog trees so you can be cruel or friendly.:nod:

KOTOR II stands for: Knights Of The Old Republic II

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I agree. Dark games sure catch my attention. ;)


Ditto! It's like a fairy tale and a mystery/suspense book, which would you pick?

[Desi]

Fairy tale. That is a silly question. Why would I read a mystery book because once it is over there I know who did it. Fairy tale's just keep getting better as the years go on. Pretty much like mythology.

[Lucrecia]

What Desi said, but I'd also go for suspense. Games with a fantasy and suspense, and dark/ sad are pretty good.....well most of the time.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

What Desi said, but I'd also go for suspense. Games with a fantasy and suspense, and dark/ sad are pretty good.....well most of the time.


Yay thank you :D I love dark storylines and if I write stories, the character all end up dying :blink:

[Ultima Star]

Um..well most of the games need a good dose of suspense or else..what's going to be your motivation?:blink:

[Endless]

Happy games gets boring real fast. I like dark game because they have more suspense and mysteries to solve. I think it's great for a change that this Final Fantasy game is going into the dark realm in storyline-wise....I hope.

[Ultima Star]

Yeah I agree with that:nod:
And dark games have more story and you spend more time on them and t hey're interesting:nod:.
Well normally FF is not that dark but their stories are pretty cool:nod:

[Misschoco]

It made me want to know why he is alone and then after I saw the trailer and watched again I got excited because that meant that there was going to be a cold person in the game.:D

I think that people are buying more dark games because they are sick of the happy ones. I prefer one like KOTOR II where they have dialog trees so you can be cruel or friendly.:nod:

KOTOR II stands for: Knights Of The Old Republic II
yh happy chappy games with magical pixies and dancing lepricorns suck <_<(not that theres any games like that)

but i still cant agree with anyone saying he is cold and antisocial..........

[Ultima Star]

yh happy chappy games with magical pixies and dancing lepricorns suck <_<(not that theres any games like that)

but i still cant agree with anyone saying he is cold and antisocial..........

I don't get it neither:'(
I mean...the trailer shows that..but his personality may be something different^_^

[Endless]

He may just be an emo person instead of the cold, dark, an gloomy guy we all think. Maybe he's a little like cloud....?

[Misschoco]

He may just be an emo person instead of the cold, dark, an gloomy guy we all think. Maybe he's a little like cloud....?
grrrr..........i hate this emo crap.....i dont remember nomura going 'oh yh his an emo,is cold and is a miserable git' unless thats confirmed i dont like it when people imeditatly asume thats his character

btw:Lolz Endless i werent directing it to you in that way ^_^

[Ultima Star]

Don't call Storm EMO or else you'll feel the fangirls' rage XD
I don't like it neiather..he's just a serious person^_^

[Kätharina]

Nah.
he is an emotionally scared person who cant get out of his self loathing because he listened to My Chemical Romances new album.
Emo.

[Ultima Star]

:ohmy: he's not an emo person he just looks serious and is a mature person for his age (I think he's 18-19..lol) yeah that's it:nag:

[Alphonse]

Well he lookes cool and young and very serious. Kinda cool.

[Ultima Star]

Yeah but he isn't EMO:nag:
Anyways..as it was said before the darkness..may come from his past:nod:

[Witness]

Nomura once said that the permanance in the death of that certain character in FF7 (whom if you don't know who I'm talking about, gtfo internets) was meant to mirror death in a more realistic manner.

It's quick, out of nowhere and permanant.
It stays with you, because you think to yourself
"Oh...if only I had known, I would have done something different".

I think Nomura is going to go for that feeling again in this one, somewhere.

[Desi]

Nomura once said that the permanance in the death of that certain character in FF7 (whom if you don't know who I'm talking about, gtfo internets) was meant to mirror death in a more realistic manner.

It's quick, out of nowhere and permanant.
It stays with you, because you think to yourself
"Oh...if only I had known, I would have done something different".

I think Nomura is going to go for that feeling again in this one, somewhere.
Galuf died permanently in FFV. It felt so horrible because what he did right before was truly great.

[Witness]

Galuf died permanently in FFV. It felt so horrible because what he did right before was truly great.

That's true.
But, the difference between Galuf and Aeris, is that Galuf had an air of "O! Sweet tragedy! A sacrifice has bene made!" and he was also dying for things he cared about.

The classic tragic hero.

However, in the FFVII Ultimania book, Nomura talks about how it's pissed him off in most adventure stories how people die like that. He said something to the effect of "In the real world, people die for no reason whatsoever. They die in accidents, from disease and it's all very sudden. Is it right to set an example that people die for heroic reasons?"

Basically what he's saying, is that Aeris didn't have to die. Just as no one HAS to die at a certain time. She just did. Her death, while not meaningless, was untimely and unpredicted. It was a death closer to the real world than others.

[Desi]

That's true.
But, the difference between Galuf and Aeris, is that Galuf had an air of "O! Sweet tragedy! A sacrifice has bene made!" and he was also dying for things he cared about.Like a King and a soldier should. He died in battle trying to protect his kingdom, his world, and his granddaughter. Galuf resisted death as long as he could just enough to make sure Bartz and Co. would make it.

Anyway your reasoning of picking Aeris death was unclear until your reply. Because Galuf's was quick, came from the backyard, and he didn't come back.

Basically what he's saying, is that Aeris didn't have to die. Just as no one HAS to die at a certain time. She just did. Her death, while not meaningless, was untimely and unpredicted. It was a death closer to the real world than others.I get what you are saying but I just find the example poor. Use the death Delita's sister in FF Tactics if you need a better example. Killed in a stampade of angry merchants. Not on the battlefield, not by an assassin but by her fellow common people by accident.

[Witness]

I get what you are saying but I just find the example poor. Use the death Delita's sister in FF Tactics if you need a better example. Killed in a stampade of angry merchants. Not on the battlefield, not by an assassin but by her fellow common people by accident.


It's not my example.
It's Nomura's.