The Classic God Paradox

[Demon Eyes]

How is it possible for a God of the universe to exist? Unless of course our definition of universe is faulted. How does existence suddenly begin. Is God an accident, or result of a chemical reaction? I simply cannot grasp this concept of always existing. I t had to of started at some point. Sort of a chicken and egg type thing.

[Lifrasthir]

How is it possible for a God of the universe to exist? Unless of course our definition of universe is faulted. How does existence suddenly begin. Is God an accident, or result of a chemical reaction? I simply cannot grasp this concept of always existing. I t had to of started at some point. Sort of a chicken and egg type thing.

God has always been here. You and I can't wrap our minds around that concept because we're in time. But God is outside of time.

[Hitoshura]

God was there in the beginning. Thats basically it.

[Lifrasthir]

God was there in the beginning. Thats basically it.

That's being kinda vague and really doesn't help answer his question...:|

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

It's different for every culture/religion. Like the Greek think that even Gaia (Mother Nature) and the Sky wasn't there in the very beginning. They somehow appeared out of nowhere... :blink:

[Lifrasthir]

It's different for every culture/religion. Like the Greek think that even Gaia (Mother Nature) and the Sky wasn't there in the very beginning. They somehow appeared out of nowhere... :blink:

Well what you're talking about is Greek Mythology. There's a difference between religion and mythology. (At least I think so.)

[Devious]

I thought the God paradox was "can God create a being greater than himself?"

Oh well. If you want the atheist answer, God was created out of necessity by humans when they started to question where they came from, and couldn't find a logical explination at the time, so they went with what made the most sense, and raised the least questions. An all-mighty being that's always been there made them.

If you want a religious answer I suppose God has been there for eternity. He is not bound by the restrictions of time, and therefore can be both present at both the beginning and end of everything and all that's in between simultaneously.

[Demon Eyes]

God was there in the beginning. Thats basically it.

This is exactly my point. How can there be a beginning, that would mean it had to of started at some point.

God's outside of time? Does that mean he can break the speed of light?!>_< Sorry Einstein!

According to the bible we should be able to wrap our minds around this concept. As when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of wisdom they became as gods. If they would have eaten from the tree of life as well, then we would have become gods. That's what I get out of Genesis chapter 3 anyway.

[Halfmetal]

I'm not sure we should bother understanding how could could have alwsy existed. God, it is believed, created our laws of nature and so therefore should be outside the laws if he wishes. That would include a beginning.

[Lifrasthir]

God's outside of time? Does that mean he can break the speed of light?!>_< Sorry Einstein!

I don't think it matters if he can break the speed of light or not...And yes, God is outside of time. If you think about it logically, it makes sense. Since we are in time (as we describe it), God must be outside of time. It also helps explain that when you die, you go to Heaven or to Hell for eternity.

According to the bible we should be able to wrap our minds around this concept. As when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of wisdom they became as gods. If they would have eaten from the tree of life as well, then we would have become gods. That's what I get out of Genesis chapter 3 anyway.

But Adam and Eve are dead....:| I mean, unless they're hiding somewhere in a dense jungle....

[Pixel]

That's being kinda vague and really doesn't help answer his question...:|

But thats just it isn't it? There is no answer.

If your an Atheist, god does not exist, so the question cannot be answered, if you are a Christian, he was and is just THERE.

So, really, there is no real explanation or way to answer the question. You almost have to be vague, there is no other way to TRY and explain it.:|

[Lifrasthir]

But thats just it isn't it? There is no answer.

If your an Atheist, god does not exist, so the question cannot be answered, if you are a Christian, he was and is just THERE.

So, really, there is no real explanation or way to answer the question. You almost have to be vague, there is no other way to TRY and explain it.:|

Acutally, if you're Atheist, "God does not exist" = answer. If you're theist, "God is always there" = answer. What you believe is your answer because it is what you believe....if that makes any sense...

You don't have to be vague. Like stated earlier, your belief is your answer. I can't explain it scientifically to an Atheist because God cannot be described by science...(at least somewhat...I think.)

[Pixel]

Acutally, if you're Atheist, "God does not exist" = answer. If you're theist, "God is always there" = answer. What you believe is your answer because it is what you believe....if that makes any sense...

That did make sense.

[Sundance Kid]

Question (s):

If god existed from the beginning of time?
Then who created god???

Or did god create himself??

And is there anyway to to decipher whether or not he/she exists without involving religion????

Sorry if these question have been asked already -.-;

[Lifrasthir]

Question (s):

1. If god existed from the beginning of time?
Then who created god???

2. Or did god create himself??

3. And is there anyway to to decipher whether or not he/she exists without involving religion????

Sorry if these question have been asked already -.-;

Don't worry about it. ^^

It's confusing, yes. I can't exactly wrap my mind around the "God being here forever" concept, which is why I normally don't think about it. But here are my answers to your questions.

1. God was always here. No one created God.
2. This one is hard to answer. I don't believe he "created" himself.
3. Hm..not really. Since God is a main part of religion.

[Sundance Kid]

Okay from an agnostic point of view:

Not following any religion but still wondering how we got here and IF there really is a god or a higher being

Trying someway to prove god's or whatever's existence without following any religion, it seems kind of impossible, but to me I find it easier to wonder while not following any religion, since many religions (no offense to anyone) seem to have downfalls and unexplainable or believable stories

(Am I making sense?? :| )

[James Dean]

I'm not really going to state my own opinion on this, but this is what I got from the Bible. God has told us what we need to know, and nothing more. When it's said that God has been in existence for all eternity. "Eternity" refers to our universe, and it's laws. He created the universe, so he was there at the beginning, he is here now, and will be here at the end. So, he will be here for as long as time exists, which equals "Eternity".

[Pixel]

I'm not really going to state my own opinion on this, but this is what I got from the Bible. God has told us what we need to know, and nothing more. When it's said that God has been in existence for all eternity. "Eternity" refers to our universe, and it's laws. He created the universe, so he was there at the beginning, he is here now, and will be here at the end. So, he will be here for as long as time exists, which equals "Eternity".

That was a really good explanation.:D

[Demon Eyes]

I don't think it matters if he can break the speed of light or not...And yes, God is outside of time. If you think about it logically, it makes sense. Since we are in time (as we describe it), God must be outside of time. It also helps explain that when you die, you go to Heaven or to Hell for eternity.



But Adam and Eve are dead....:| I mean, unless they're hiding somewhere in a dense jungle....


Ya speed of light was a joke, if you read the time travel thread...

But we are supposedly the offspring of Adam and Eve. They were the building blocks of the human. So we are them.

[Halfmetal]

I'm not really going to state my own opinion on this, but this is what I got from the Bible. God has told us what we need to know, and nothing more. When it's said that God has been in existence for all eternity. "Eternity" refers to our universe, and it's laws. He created the universe, so he was there at the beginning, he is here now, and will be here at the end. So, he will be here for as long as time exists, which equals "Eternity".

Ah, now here's an interesting question. You said that as long as time exists then so will God. Does that mean God is dependant on time? Or did he create time also?

[Thefutureisnow]

Weve unraveled virtually every mystery of the universe, we have a scientific answer for how old the universe itself is but as for origin dont hold your breath for an answer

[Neal]

Every time they discover something more it opens more questions. Nothing can exist without originating from somewhere, its an endless circle.

I hate how religion has stupid answers to that or avoids the question entirely.

[Lifrasthir]

Every time they discover something more it opens more questions. Nothing can exist without originating from somewhere, its an endless circle.

I hate how religion has stupid answers to that or avoids the question entirely.

Stupid answers? As in what?

[Neal]

Stupid answers? As in what?
God has always been here. You and I can't wrap our minds around that concept because we're in time. But God is outside of time.
That .

[Rekhyt]

Stupid answers? As in what?

"What caused the creation of the Universe?"
"GOD"

"What happens when you die?"
"That's up to GOD."

"How can you say the Bible is fact when compared to undeniable contradicting evidence?"
"... er ... GOD?"

That would be a super simplified version of stupid answers which are annoying prevalent in religion.

[Lifrasthir]

That .

Is that a stupid answer because it doesn't make sense?

[Sundance Kid]

It seems time and space play a big role in this God Paradox
Has anyone actually seen God???
(I mean no disrespect to anyone either :/)
I mean how do you TRULY know God exists???
Rather then following the text Bible???

[Neal]

Is that a stupid answer because it doesn't make sense?
The sense I made of it didn't really answer the question and it also makes a pretty bold statement which has no proof or backup whatsoever.

[S-r-ex]

Atheistic author Douglas Adams wrote something kinda like this in the HHGTTG article about the Babel fish, a small yellow fish that translates anything when you put it in your ear:

The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man "the Babel fish is dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

By Adam's words, God does not exist. I don't believe in this dude or Allah, or Thor or Ra or whatever other gods...Meaning they don't exist (at least not to me).


To the God Paradox, or Omnipotence Paradox, is, say, an omnipotent being could make a stone so heavy that not even the creator could lift it. If so, this so-called omnipotent being would lose it's omnipotency, or it would not be omnipotent to begin with. Such, omnipotence could not exist. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_paradox

[Lifrasthir]

It seems time and space play a big role in this God Paradox
Has anyone actually seen God???
(I mean no disrespect to anyone either :/)
I mean how do you TRULY know God exists???
Rather then following the text Bible???



No I haven't actually seen God. But I doubt you've actually seen your brain either. I mean, actually see your brain, in the flesh, no x-rays.

I know God exists because of my faith. Which may seem like a stupid answer but that's most likely because one who thinks the answer is stupid has not really had faith. I believe God exists. Belief takes a certain amount of faith.

The sense I made of it didn't really answer the question and it also makes a pretty bold statement which has no proof or backup whatsoever.

So then it was a stupid answer. But just because it's irrelevant to one question doesn't mean it's irrelevant to a different question.

[007vader]

Ok I'm not sure if anyone has said this yet since I didn't feel like reading all of this (not that there's ton yet)
The best way to understand how god could have existed forever is "time", or what we think of as time, didn't exist until god created the earth. Before that "time" and "forever" didn't exist. It was god and that was it. But our whole notion of time didn't exist so there was no "beginning" for him to start from. The idea of "beginning" started when god created time and before that there was no "time" Now of course that's hard to think about but in the end it's no harder to think about than the Big Bang hypothesis.
I mean where did the "speck" come from. Did it exist forever or did it start too? And if it did start then what caused it to start and why did it decide to start? And since we're on the subject of beginnings then we should ask how did time and existence start in the first place from your point of view?
Have they always exist? And if so then try to imagine that then talk to me about how God existing forever doesn't make sense. The big bang hypothesis and really the beginning in general are impossible for humans to imagine so why would God be any different? At least I have some sort of explanation on how it could work.
It seems time and space play a big role in this God Paradox
Has anyone actually seen God???
(I mean no disrespect to anyone either :/)
I mean how do you TRULY know God exists???
Rather then following the text Bible???

It's called faith. How do you TRULY know that evolution is true? You have faith that it is true. The simple fact is is that no one in the world has anyway of knowing if their world view or religion is true. There's just no proof for any of it. So none of us KNOW our religion is true but we have great faith in it and that's all we can do, so we can't expect more.

[Sundance Kid]

I'm not saying God doesn't exsist
I just wonder will there ever be proof in your living life of His/Her exsistence??
Or must we wait till our life is over to truly know??

[Rekhyt]

It's called faith. How do you TRULY know that evolution is true? You have faith that it is true. The simple fact is is that no one in the world has anyway of knowing if their world view or religion is true. There's just no proof for any of it. So none of us KNOW our religion is true but we have great faith in it and that's all we can do, so we can't expect more.

People know that evolution is true because there is evidence for it. The same goes for the Big Bang. It's not faith; it has evidence to back it up.

As for the cause of the Big Bang that's unknown at the moment. That does not mean that God had to do it. Theories such as the "infinitely oscillating universe" or parallel dimensions give explanations with some evidence to back them up.

[Neal]

So then it was a stupid answer. But just because it's irrelevant to one question doesn't mean it's irrelevant to a different question.

So someones asks you a question but you give them a completely random and irrelevant answer which answers a totally different question? My point.

[Lifrasthir]

So someones asks you a question but you give them a completely random and irrelevant answer which answers a totally different question? My point.

Apparently so, by what you say. I can't even remember the question. Most likely it made sense to me because I interpreted your question differently than what you implied.

I'm not saying God doesn't exsist
I just wonder will there ever be proof in your living life of His/Her exsistence??
Or must we wait till our life is over to truly know??

I never said you said God didn't exist. Yes there is proof all around you that God exists. The Bible says that the Heavens and the Earth declare that there is a God and that he is LORD. If you wait until your life is over for proof that God exists, then you're gunna be in a very unhappy place. (Hell duh!)

People know that evolution is true because there is evidence for it. The same goes for the Big Bang. It's not faith; it has evidence to back it up.

As for the cause of the Big Bang that's unknown at the moment. That does not mean that God had to do it. Theories such as the "infinitely oscillating universe" or parallel dimensions give explanations with some evidence to back them up.

So then if evolution is true, then wouldn't that mean that there would be crosses between monkeys and men out there in the world? Or did evolution just suddenly die out at one point?

[Pixel]

I'm not saying God doesn't exsist
I just wonder will there ever be proof in your living life of His/Her exsistence??
Or must we wait till our life is over to truly know??

Well, if you believe in the bible, there is evidence. If you do believe in the bible the universe and everything in it is proof of his existence.

If not, then when you die you will find out, I guess.

[Neal]

So then if evolution is true, then wouldn't that mean that there would be crosses between monkeys and men out there in the world? Or did evolution just suddenly die out at one point?You mean cavemen? Go to the natural history museum, they have about 5 skulls of "humans" all lined up that look really different. They could have died out since they were inferior to the humans in their present day? I don't know, Im not a scientist... yet D: We see examples of this across a lot of different species, however most genus' etc were wiped out by mass extinction events, so these human/monkeys could have died then.

~65 million years ago was the mass extinction even which killed out the dinosaurs. If that could have killed pretty much every land dinosaur then it clearly killed more than that, and we haven't nearly found everything yet, but they have found fossil evidence of early man which resemble monkeys/apes which is where the theory of us evolving from them came from.

[Lifrasthir]

You mean cavemen? Go to the natural history museum, they have about 5 skulls of "humans" all lined up that look really different. They could have died out since they were inferior to the humans in their present day? I don't know, Im not a scientist... yet D: We see examples of this across a lot of different species, however most genus' etc were wiped out by mass extinction events, so these human/monkeys could have died then.

~65 million years ago was the mass extinction even which killed out the dinosaurs. If that could have killed pretty much every land dinosaur then it clearly killed more than that, and we haven't nearly found everything yet, but they have found fossil evidence of early man which resemble monkeys/apes which is where the theory of us evolving from them came from.

If caveman is the technical term for monkey/human crosses then yes. Are you positive that they're human skulls and not some other kind of skull? Someone could be pulling a hoax. Hm..How many mass extinctions have been on this planet? All I know is the one that supposedly wiped out the dinosaurs.

I'm still having trouble understanding exactly how people know it's a human skull. If evolution occured, since they did not live back when they were alive, how could they possibly know what primitive skulls looked like?

[Neal]

Someone could be pulling a hoax.

AHAHAHA. Do you even know what the natural history museum is? look it up.

Hm..How many mass extinctions have been on this planet? All I know is the one that supposedly wiped out the dinosaurs.

I don't know how many, but something huge often happens every 65 million years or so.


I'm still having trouble understanding exactly how people know it's a human skull.

DNA I expect. It also looks alot like a mix between human and monkey/ape.

If evolution occured, since they did not live back when they were alive, how could they possibly know what primitive skulls looked like?

Fossils, carbon dating, DNA etc.

[Lifrasthir]

AHAHAHA. Do you even know what the natural history museum is? look it up.

Nooo, no I don't know what a natural history museum is. </sarcastic> Ahem, sorry. Yes I do know what a natural history museum is. Someone could give the museum a hoax. You don't know how greedy this world has become. ;)

I don't know how many, but something huge often happens every 65 million years or so.

M'kay....

DNA I expect. It also looks alot like a mix between human and monkey/ape. Fossils, carbon dating, DNA etc.

That doesn't exactly prove that it's a caveman though. If I'm correct, DNA between monkeys and humans only differ by 2% correct? That doesn't mean that we evolved from monkeys. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

[Whiplash]

It suggests that humans and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor at one point, not quite that we came from them.

[Pixel]

DNA I expect. It also looks alot like a mix between human and monkey/ape.

I don't know for certain if I am right or not, but I don't think you can get DNA off of something that old unless it is preserved, like the Wooly Mammoth found encased in a block of Ice. it was flash frozen.

[Lifrasthir]

It suggests that humans and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor at one point, not quite that we came from them.

S'cuse me. Yeah you're correct. I've heard elsewhere evolution states that humans evolved from monkeys.

[Whiplash]

A common oversimplification, probaby because 'monkeys' is such a fun word to say and who doesn't like 'em?

[007vader]

People know that evolution is true because there is evidence for it. The same goes for the Big Bang. It's not faith; it has evidence to back it up.

As for the cause of the Big Bang that's unknown at the moment. That does not mean that God had to do it. Theories such as the "infinitely oscillating universe" or parallel dimensions give explanations with some evidence to back them up.
Ahem, no! There is plenty of evidence for Christianity and plenty of evidence against evolution there's evidence for evolution too. The simple fact is is that evolution has no "proof" and Christianity has no "proof" it is a matter of what you choose to believe which makes it faith. Faith is not based around religion. You have faith that plants can grow though it's not a fact. you can plant a seed and have faith that it will grow but you still have no way of knowing for sure until it has happened.
SO you have faith that evolution is true. There's no "proof" that it is true you just choose to believe it. Same with religion.
And your big bang argument is pretty lame.
You mean cavemen? Go to the natural history museum, they have about 5 skulls of "humans" all lined up that look really different. They could have died out since they were inferior to the humans in their present day? I don't know, Im not a scientist... yet D: We see examples of this across a lot of different species, however most genus' etc were wiped out by mass extinction events, so these human/monkeys could have died then.

~65 million years ago was the mass extinction even which killed out the dinosaurs. If that could have killed pretty much every land dinosaur then it clearly killed more than that, and we haven't nearly found everything yet, but they have found fossil evidence of early man which resemble monkeys/apes which is where the theory of us evolving from them came from.
Five skulls huh? That's it? Do you know how many deformed humans there have been int the history of the world that looked "really" different? And besides FIVE SKULLS?!?!!? If the entire human race had been comprised of these beings at one point you'd think they'd have them by the truckload. Especially considering how many dinosaurs bones they have.

[Neal]

Nooo, no I don't know what a natural history museum is. </sarcastic> Ahem, sorry. Yes I do know what a natural history museum is. Someone could give the museum a hoax. You don't know how greedy this world has become.No, not a natural history museum, THE Natural History Museum... in London... it's very famous. :rolleyes:

Five skulls huh? That's it? Do you know how many deformed humans there have been int the history of the world that looked "really" different? And besides FIVE SKULLS?!?!!? If the entire human race had been comprised of these beings at one point you'd think they'd have them by the truckload. Especially considering how many dinosaurs bones they have.It was an exhibit about the origin of man. I don't know if any of you understand what significance the Natural History Museum has to science but it's home to so many specimens, it's world renowned.

Vader, if you're disputing scientific evidence from one of the most famous scientific museums in the world you clearly have not idea what you're talking about. They probably do have more than five, they obviously do, but we were looking at a display case, it was pointing out how head shape and such slowly adapted into human skulls today. You think they'd put EVERY specimen in cabinets? The darwin exhibit which we went too, which hasn't been finished yet, held 10s of millions of specimens alone of every animal, mammal, fossil etc from all around the world.

I don't know for certain if I am right or not, but I don't think you can get DNA off of something that old unless it is preservedYeah you can get DNA if a fossil is well preserved enough unless it's a cast or a mold which means it doesn't contain the original material. These were real fossils which weren't casts or molds, they were really well persevered and almost completely intact. Found in tar pits I believe which is one of the best sources for best preserved fossils.

The simple fact is is that evolution has no "proof" and Christianity has no "proof"You're saying theres no proof for evolution? :lol: There are SO many examples looking at other than in humans.

[Pixel]

Yeah you can get DNA if a fossil is well preserved enough unless it's a cast or a mold which means it doesn't contain the original material. These were real fossils which weren't casts or molds, they were really well persevered and almost completely intact. Found in tar pits I believe which is one of the best sources for best preserved fossils.

Mmm, gotta love those Tar Pits.:cookie:

You did say something about how something happens every 65 million years though. Did you read about the Flash Frozen Wooly Mammoth? Still had food in its mouth.:|

[Lifrasthir]

A common oversimplification, probaby because 'monkeys' is such a fun word to say and who doesn't like 'em?

Yes, who doesn't like monkeys?? xD But yes, "humans evolved from monkeys" has been pounded in my head as one of the evolutionist theories for the longest of times. And now I can't remember where I've heard it...Discovery channel?

No, not a natural history museum, THE Natural History Museum... in London... it's very famous. :rolleyes:

Nope not that one. Lemme ask my biology teacher 'bout it and I'll get back to you. It's actually kind of hard to accept facts that I haven't seen with my own eyes. Whether it be in person or on the news or in newspapers or whatever. (I don't read/watch/listen to news anymore.)

I've gotta ask, if I were to tell you that scientists have proven the evolution theory wrong, would you believe me? If I gave you their cases for a creator and their evidence as well would you believe me? I mean, you don't have to believe me but would you actually, ever so slightly, consider the possibility of something greater out there?

[Whiplash]

Of course we wouldn't believe you, just like we don't really expect you to agree with us; scientific uncertainty is FUN.

EDIT: Heyyy, 200th post. And what a deeply insightful and intelligent one it was.

[Lifrasthir]

Of course we wouldn't believe you, just like we don't really expect you to agree with us; scientific uncertainty is FUN.

EDIT: Heyyy, 200th post. And what a deeply insightful and intelligent one it was.

True. I was just curious.

[Neal]

I've gotta ask, if I were to tell you that scientists have proven the evolution theory wrong, would you believe me? If I gave you their cases for a creator and their evidence as well would you believe me? I mean, you don't have to believe me but would you actually, ever so slightly, consider the possibility of something greater out there?

If you can present more fact than "God did it" then yeah, if you have evidence and a valid argument then, yeah. But otherwise, Evolution is scientific fact so unless you have a PHD or something you're going to find it hard. xD

Nope not that one. Lemme ask my biology teacher 'bout it and I'll get back to you. It's actually kind of hard to accept facts that I haven't seen with my own eyes. Whether it be in person or on the news or in newspapers or whatever. (I don't read/watch/listen to news anymore.)So how is it so easy for you to believe the bible if you have to see things to believe them? :blink: And you've never heard of the natural history museum? Seriously?

Of course we wouldn't believe you, just like we don't really expect you to agree with us; scientific uncertainty is FUN.

EDIT: Heyyy, 200th post. And what a deeply insightful and intelligent one it was.

Certainly was. xD

[Lifrasthir]

If you can present more fact than "God did it" then yeah, if you have evidence and a valid argument then, yeah. But otherwise, Evolution is scientific fact so unless you have a PHD or something you're going to find it hard. xD

M'kay..Yes I know it'd be extremely hard to convince someone since I don't have a PHD or something like that. BUT, that doesn't mean that others haven't. They may not spefically say "God did it" but they may not entirely believe the evolution theory's right either.

So how is it so easy for you to believe the bible if you have to see things to believe them? :blink: And you've never heard of the natural history museum? Seriously?

I don't have to see things to believe them...Ah, I see what you're saying. *slaps self* That's my bad. But I was talking specifically about the museum. I don't know what the exhibits in the museum say so it's kind of hard to take your word for it. Not that I don't trust you. (Should I? Ha.) That must sound very self-contradicting...>_<

[Neal]

BUT, that doesn't mean that others haven't. They may not spefically say "God did it" but they may not entirely believe the evolution theory's right either.

Whats your point?

Not that I don't trust you. (Should I? Ha.)

Lol, I wouldn't make random stuff up. Why would I? To win a forum discussion? XD Ha. No, I'm just saying what I believe to be true like everyone else. I'm studying for a Geology degree so evolution and such is a big part of it.

[Whiplash]

Lol, I wouldn't make random stuff up. Why would I? To win a forum discussion? XD Ha.

Never do it in an internet debate because of Google but in a real debate making random stuff up to embellish your point works very well provided you know that your opponents can't contradict you :cunning:.

Also, why are you studying evolution in a Geology degree? Shouldn't you be studying igneous rocks or something?

[Lifrasthir]

Whats your point?

I forgot. Oh right. Other people, not me, have taken the evolution theory and provided evidence against it. And those people aren't just Christians...That was my point. I think. -_-

Lol, I wouldn't make random stuff up. Why would I? To win a forum discussion? XD Ha. No, I'm just saying what I believe to be true like everyone else. I'm studying for a Geology degree so evolution and such is a big part of it.

I realize that. M'kay. Good luck with your degree.

Never do it in an internet debate because of Google but in a real debate making random stuff up to embellish your point works very well provided you know that your opponents can't contradict you :cunning:.

Also, why are you studying evolution in a Geology degree? Shouldn't you be studying igneous rocks or something?

Ha, seriously?? I should try that next time kids at my school bring up pointless debates over nothing.

[Whiplash]

Oh yes, it works brilliantly. The more official you can make your point sound the less likely someone is to contradict you, which is why my point in one debate that a study has shown that people behave differently when they're being filmed became the Schliessberg Effect.

[Neal]

Also, why are you studying evolution in a Geology degree? Shouldn't you be studying igneous rocks or something?Why not? :blink: We have to know a bit of background about common fossils to work out modeo f life and such and how stuff evolves comes as part of it. Not human evolution though. It's talked about in Palaeontology :cunning:

I realize that. M'kay. Good luck with your degree.Thanks xD

[Whiplash]

Ah, I didn't realise Palaeontology was part of your degree, I thought it would be with Archaeology (probably's with both).

[Halfmetal]

To the God Paradox, or Omnipotence Paradox, is, say, an omnipotent being could make a stone so heavy that not even the creator could lift it. If so, this so-called omnipotent being would lose it's omnipotency, or it would not be omnipotent to begin with. Such, omnipotence could not exist. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_paradox

Srex, have you actually read the WHOLE article? I urge you to do so, now. You may find a pleasant surprise.

[Nagase]

God has always been here. You and I can't wrap our minds around that concept because we're in time. But God is outside of time.

Oh, that's convenient.

[Halfmetal]

Not really. Then the problem arises of whether we can actually talk meanigfully about something so beyond us. Can anything we say about God make any sense, considering our minds can't wrap the concept?

[Neal]

This whole "We can't get our minds round the concept" sounds like an excuse to me. Using that as an answer is pretty much a way to avoid further, unanswerable or contradictory questions IMO.

[Halfmetal]

This whole "We can't get our minds round the concept" sounds like an excuse to me. Using that as an answer is pretty much a way to avoid further, unanswerable or contradictory questions IMO.

Yeah, I understand where you are coming from. But remember, You are looking at it from your point of view. A religous person would see it as a known fact written in the holy book.