Life on other Planets

[Allen Walker]

Do you think there are othe life forms besides us out there? Its hard to say because if God made earth, why can't he do the same thing far away? I supposed that if he did, it would have stated it in the bible, but it doesn't. Those are my opinions, yours?

[Lifrasthir]

No. I don't believe in "extra terrestial beings". If God wanted life elsewhere He would have said so in the Bible.

[Fenristh]

Isnt there bacteria on mars or something? Thats life, technically.

I think there is life elsewhere. Theyve proven how big the universe is so just having one planet of billions having life on just doesnt make sense.

[Tidus]

I'm not buying into it. I agree that it probably would have been mentioned in the Bible.

[Fenristh]

So things cant exist or be discovered unless they're written in the bible?

[Allen Walker]

Its hard to change someones opinions. :X

Believe what you want to, whatever it takes to make you happy.

Ya I know that was a line from FF12^

[Lifrasthir]

We're not saying that Dante.

Edit: If ET did exist; how did they get where they live? And how come we're not having a War of the Worlds right now? I'm just asking questions. Answer them if you want. Or say "What the hell? I dunno."

[Fenristh]

If ET did exist; how did they get where they live?

How am i supposed to know how life starts?

And how come we're not having a War of the Worlds right now?

Are you asking why Aliens aren't coming and killing us? O_o Im saying they probably exist, not want to kill everything for no reason. Bacterias cant hold machine guns either which might be something to do with it.

Does the bible even mention other planets to begin with?

[Lifrasthir]

How am i supposed to know how life starts?

I dunno...

Are you asking why Aliens aren't coming and killing us? O_o Im saying they probably exist, not want to kill everything for no reason. Bacterias cant hold machine guns either which might be something to do with it.
Bacteria can't hold machine guns...or so you say. :shifty: Kidding.

Well, yeah that's true. But then why isn't there communication? Wait-I'll stop asking questions...

Does the bible even mention other planets to begin with?

Not that I know of..then again I've only read the book of Luke.

[N O C T E]

I have to say that I don't really have an opinion on this. I could side either way. I do think that if there was other life it would have been in the Bible but then again I could see how there still might be other life in the universe because it is so....massive.

[Tidus]

How am i supposed to know how life starts?



Are you asking why Aliens aren't coming and killing us? O_o Im saying they probably exist, not want to kill everything for no reason. Bacterias cant hold machine guns either which might be something to do with it.

Does the bible even mention other planets to begin with?

I know you're a strong atheist bro....but strong believers of the Bible and God are probably not going to buy into the way you think. The Bible tells me how life started....I trust in God....thats all I need to know. I don't need anything extra. In my opinion, mankind is getting too smart for its own good. We continue to question and think into realms that our brains will never truly be able to comprehend.

I also understand that a strong believer will probably never be able to sway you into their way of believing. Remember that other end of the spectrum thing. I think we've hit that yet again lol.....I just don't believe there is other life out there. I think people want to believe it though.

The same way you question God and the Bible's ways is the same way I can question yours. Do you just believe everything people tell you? Have you actually seen this bacteria? or ya.....or is it just heresay? We all listen to people all the time. Our country tells us Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon....Despite none of us actually seeing it or witnessing it in person, we take for granted that we are being told the truth. We here alot of things from the news, the papers, and our superiors. We take for granted that what they say is true because we inhibit faith in them.....just like us believers inhibit faith in God.

So I ask you that same question......So things can't exist or be discovered unless a scientist tells you they've been?

[Fenristh]

I know you're a strong atheist bro....but strong believers of the Bible and God are probably not going to buy into the way you think.

Im not asking them to, Im giving on opinion. :)

Do you just believe everything people tell you? Have you actually seen this bacteria? or ya.....or is it just heresay? We all listen to people all the time. Our country tells us Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon....Despite none of us actually seeing it or witnessing it in person, we take for granted that we are being told the truth.

This has already been said before, but someone has. I very much doubt its a conspiracy, the government aren't tricking us into thinking that someone went on the moon or life is on mars, thats stupid they would get nothing out of it. Someone has seen and done those things and proven it. Videos, pictures, the lot.

So I ask you that same question......So things can't exist or be discovered unless a scientist tells you they've been?

Thats not what I meant at all. Things can be discovered which no one knows about. Someone implied before that only if something, like life on other planets, isnt written in the bible then it cant be, right? Does the bible mention space travel? Planets? CARS? Playstation 3? :lmao: Just because its not written in the bible it doesnt mean it can't be possible.

I'd believe something a scientist tells me over a book which was written back when they thought the world was flat.

[N O C T E]

I dunno about the man on the moon thing. Back then were we not in race with Russia?

If so then that could be entirely possible and if I am correct then I think a couple of years ago NASA said that they "lost" the original recording of the whole incident.<_<

[Tidus]

Im not asking them to, Im giving on opinion. :)


This has already been said before, but someone has. I very much doubt its a conspiracy, the government aren't tricking us into thinking that someone went on the moon or life is on mars, thats stupid they would get nothing out of it. Someone has seen and done those things and proven it. Videos, pictures, the lot.



Thats not what I meant at all. Things can be discovered which no one knows about. Someone implied before that only if something, like life on other planets, isnt written in the bible then it cant be, right? Does the bible mention space travel? Planets? CARS? Playstation 3? :lmao: Just because its not written in the bible it doesnt mean it can't be possible.

I'd believe something a scientist tells me over a book which was written back when they thought the world was flat.

I'm not saying its a conspiracy.....I was just using it as an example. I would rather put my trust in a perfect being over sinners anyday. Seeing as we all sin, that would be all humans. Its awesome how I could get a degree....slap on a white coat and spectacles....tell you something and you would probably eat it up like a fat kid in front of a birthday cake. Thats your perogative. Just like its mine to eat up things written in the Bible just the same as the analogy that was just used. You can say what you want....I'm not buying it....and I never will.....I can say what I want.....and I'm sure you'll never buy into it. In the end, we'll all know. Nothing can be 100% proven or disproven. I think I'll take my chances with the "book which was written back when they thought the world was flat".....over spending an eternity in hell....but hey....you may be right....and you could just luck out afterall...In my opinion, burning forever and ever isn't worth that gamble.

Or hell....maybe we'll get aliens flying down here and blowing up stuff sci-fi style right? Bacteria, aliens, E.T.........Life isn't a movie......I'm just not buying it. We'll see though.

[Alphonse]

I really do think ther is life in other planets! Makes me want to be an astranaut.

[Fenristh]

You can say what you want....I'm not buying it....and I never will.....I can say what I want.....and I'm sure you'll never buy into it. In the end, we'll all know. Nothing can be 100% proven or disproven. I think I'll take my chances with the "book which was written back when they thought the world was flat".....over spending an eternity in hell....but hey....you may be right....and you could just luck out afterall...In my opinion, burning forever and ever isn't worth that gamble.


Ugh, let me get one thing straight that you dont seem to be understanding. Im giving an opinion. Im not trying to convince you to believe anything.

Its awesome how I could get a degree....slap on a white coat and spectacles....tell you something and you would probably eat it up like a fat kid in front of a birthday cake. Thats your perogative. J

I dont just believe any random. Things have to have meaning and logic to be believable. They have to have evidence and proof to back them up. Stop trying to twist my words.

Just like its mine to eat up things written in the Bible just the same as the analogy that was just used.Well you did pretty much say that God doesn't mention life elsewhere so it can't be true. :rolleyes:

Or hell....maybe we'll get aliens flying down here and blowing up stuff sci-fi style right? Bacteria, aliens, E.T.........Life isn't a movie......I'm just not buying it. We'll see though.

When did i suggest aliens were going to come and kill everyone? I dont know the facts because im not a scientist but I can believe in what I want.

[Tidus]

Ugh, let me get one thing straight that you dont seem to be understanding. Im giving an opinion. Im not trying to convince you to believe anything.



I dont just believe any random. Things have to have meaning and logic to be believable. They have to have evidence and proof to back them up. Stop trying to twist my words.

Well you did pretty much say that God doesn't mention life elsewhere so it can't be true. :rolleyes:



When did i suggest aliens were going to come and kill everyone? I dont know the facts because im not a scientist but I can believe in what I want.

I'm not twisting your words....you're doing that yourself. It doesn't even matter anyways....You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want...End of story...

[Devious]

I'm not twisting your words....you're doing that yourself. It doesn't even matter anyways....You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want...End of story...
You can't twist your own words. To twist someone's words would be exploiting it in a way the original speaker did not intend. It's pretty hard to exploit your own words in a way you didn't intend.

I believe there is life out there. The chances of there being life in a universe of infinity is infinitely greater than there being no life.

Besides, the Bible was written by 2000 year old people, sinners, as you put it. If sinners wrote the bible, what's to stop them from sinning yet again and making it a complete lie? I don't see how you can trust 2 millenia old people no one was even sure existed over people who are still alive. "Faith" is the only proof that the Bible isn't a lie, and it's not too solid of an evidence.

The ones who wrote the Bible had no idea about most of the universe, and the earth for that matter. It's hardly sensible to disbelieve aliens because a 2000 year old group of people who didn't know that the world was round didn't mention them.

I know some people may find this difficult, but what would your opinion be, if religion had no part in it?

[Tidus]

You can't twist your own words. To twist someone's words would be exploiting it in a way the original speaker did not intend. It's pretty hard to exploit your own words in a way you didn't intend.

I believe there is life out there. The chances of there being life in a universe of infinity is infinitely greater than there being no life.

Besides, the Bible was written by 2000 year old people, sinners, as you put it. If sinners wrote the bible, what's to stop them from sinning yet again and making it a complete lie? I don't see how you can trust 2 millenia old people no one was even sure existed over people who are still alive. "Faith" is the only proof that the Bible isn't a lie, and it's not too solid of an evidence.

The ones who wrote the Bible had no idea about most of the universe, and the earth for that matter. It's hardly sensible to disbelieve aliens because a 2000 year old group of people who didn't know that the world was round didn't mention them.

I know some people may find this difficult, but what would your opinion be, if religion had no part in it?

Thanks for that truly insightful translation of twisting words??.......:crazy:.......you sounded like one of my friends ......we call him Ryan The Science Guy because he's so dorky. I'm definitely not calling you dorky so don't take it the wrong way....I just thought that was funny because thats EXACTLY something he would say.

What may not be sensible to you is to others. Saying what I believe or disbelieve in is "hardly sensible" sorta seems like an attack on my religion. I know you probably didn't mean it that way.....but when it comes to religion....you can throw logic and sensibility out the window. Many people have different beliefs. I believe that not believing in aliens due to my religion is very sensible. I could say that you believing in aliens and not what the Bible says is complete nonsense. I'm not going to though.....that would be a personal attack on your beliefs. You can believe whatever you wanna believe.

[Devious]

Thanks for that truly insightful translation of twisting words??.......:crazy:.......you sounded like one of my friends ......we call him Ryan The Science Guy because he's so dorky. I'm definitely not calling you dorky so don't take it the wrong way....I just thought that was funny because thats EXACTLY something he would say.

What may not be sensible to you is to others. Saying what I believe or disbelieve in is "hardly sensible" sorta seems like an attack on my religion. I know you probably didn't mean it that way.....but when it comes to religion....you can throw logic and sensibility out the window. Many people have different beliefs. I believe that not believing in aliens due to my religion is very sensible. I could say that you believing in aliens and not what the Bible says is complete nonsense. I'm not going to though.....that would be a personal attack on your beliefs. You can believe whatever you wanna believe.
I suppose that is true. It's nearly impossible to prove or disprove religion, and the world will always be like that. Sorry if I offended you.

[Rikku]

Besides, the Bible was written by 2000 year old people, sinners, as you put it. If sinners wrote the bible, what's to stop them from sinning yet again and making it a complete lie? I don't see how you can trust 2 millenia old people no one was even sure existed over people who are still alive. "Faith" is the only proof that the Bible isn't a lie, and it's not too solid of an evidence.

Actually, there is evidence in concern to the validity of the Bible... I could easily start shooting it off, but it'd be slightly off topic.

The ones who wrote the Bible had no idea about most of the universe, and the earth for that matter. It's hardly sensible to disbelieve aliens because a 2000 year old group of people who didn't know that the world was round didn't mention them.

Yes, and for some reason, a 2000 year old group of people knew that the Earth was spherical when the scientists of those days believed it was flat (yes, Jason -- the Bible states that Earth is a globe)?
And the 2000 year old group of people just so happened to connect the link between sanitation and health when nobody else did?

Tsk, do your research first.

Anyway, for atheists/agnostics like me -- it's almost impossible for life not to exist on at least some other planets. The universe is constantly expanding and inconceivably large at the moment to the point where we may as well consider it infinite anyway. The chances of some type of life being on other planets is, well, pretty damn high.

And for whoever made the War of the Worlds comment, the life could be as simple as aforementioned bacteria or as retarded as us and unable to venture into other galaxies. And if they were smart enough to find a way to get to us, why would they lack the logic to randomly start destroying our planet?

Fiction is a totally accurate portrayal of ET life, eh?

For Christians and other people who believe in the Bible: just because the Bible doesn't mention ET life doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It's true that it doesn't leave a lot of room open for speculation, but it still does, nonetheless. I mean...

Logically thinking...

... the Bible concerns mankind. The Bible is basically a way for God to inform us of his existence, of his laws, our origins, and of our future. So why would you randomy put in something about a race that will probably never make contact with us anyway?

(That is, a race that will probably never make contact with us anyway so long as God isn't involved XD)

[Devious]

Actually, there is evidence in concern to the validity of the Bible... I could easily start shooting it off, but it'd be slightly off topic.



Yes, and for some reason, a 2000 year old group of people knew that the Earth was spherical when the scientists of those days believed it was flat (yes, Jason -- the Bible states that Earth is a globe)?
And the 2000 year old group of people just so happened to connect the link between sanitation and health when nobody else did?

Tsk, do your research first.

Anyway, for atheists/agnostics like me -- it's almost impossible for life not to exist on at least some other planets. The universe is constantly expanding and inconceivably large at the moment to the point where we may as well consider it infinite anyway. The chances of some type of life being on other planets is, well, pretty damn high.

And for whoever made the War of the Worlds comment, the life could be as simple as aforementioned bacteria or as retarded as us and unable to venture into other galaxies. And if they were smart enough to find a way to get to us, why would they lack the logic to randomly start destroying our planet?

Fiction is a totally accurate portrayal of ET life, eh?

For Christians and other people who believe in the Bible: just because the Bible doesn't mention ET life doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It's true that it doesn't leave a lot of room open for speculation, but it still does, nonetheless. I mean...

Logically thinking...

... the Bible concerns mankind. The Bible is basically a way for God to inform us of his existence, of his laws, our origins, and of our future. So why would you randomy put in something about a race that will probably never make contact with us anyway?

(That is, a race that will probably never make contact with us anyway so long as God isn't involved XD)
Alright, alright. But don't expect me to read the bible.

[Tidus]

Alright, alright. But don't expect me to read the bible.

Np bro! I guess in the end.....we'll all know.....Its sorta scary to me....Death is the true answer. Good luck in life to both of us :)....Peace Bro!

[Ultima Star]

I don't really know...I don't have very strong opinions on this...
I'd believe it the day scientists say:" Y'ALL we've found ET" XD..lol...

[Rekhyt]

I do believe that there are some form of life elsewhere. However as the universe is so large we will probably never actually find sentient life unless some kind of new technology is invented allowing us to find them i.e. a new from of transport of telescope, communications etc.

Oh and if you believe in everything in the bible there are some major contradictions in it. E.g. "Eye for an eye" and "turn the other cheek". At one point it says that to have a beard is an affront against the lord. When thinking about the western depiction of Jesus that's a bit of a problem.

[Alphonse]

I still think that ther is life out ther in other planets we havent discovered.

[Ringlets]

As i've said in countless other discussions, of the billions of planets, two of them must have created the right pattern of nuclei to create bacteria, and for evolution to process the bacteria into self-conscious beings.

[Alphonse]

Yeah yeah. Calm down! Yeah! Okay!

[Shinshoku]

I think Trent put it nicely in his NIN song "Heresy":

"He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see
He tries to tell me what I put inside of me
Hes got the answers to ease my curiosity
He dreamed up a God and called it Christianity

Your God is dead and no one cares
If there is a hell I will see you there!"

Catchy aye? Basicially, your opinions are so scripture-bound its unbelievable.. well actually mind-numbingly idiotic! The idea that the Bible is true in all respects is wrong, I know Christians who say that - its ADAPTED to modern life etc.. use the stories to apply to modern life, WAIT NO 2000yr BOOK BEATS 21th CENTURY SCIENCE.

lol.. doubt you have even read the Bible.. seriaz

With love xxxx

[Allen Walker]

Ok mister "I know everything about the universe" Why dont you post down why you think that way instead of just using another persons opinion and give facts to support them please instead of being a hypocrite.

[N O C T E]

Ok mister "I know everything about the universe" Why dont you post down why you think that way instead of just using another persons opinion and give facts to support them please instead of being a hypocrite.

I agree, if you actually read half of these posts, you would know that some of us have and do read the bible.

[Shinshoku]

My reason is the fact that our Christianity was invented by:

http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/HenryVIII12.jpg

so he could get more action!

[Allen Walker]

*reports to a admin*

[N O C T E]

*reports to a admin*

Hopefully your serious....

[Allen Walker]

Thats 2 people I've had to report because of idiotness.

[Shinshoku]

I'm actually serious..!

But come on wheres the love :(

[Kitmitsu]

#1 Your opinion is valid however you shouldn't give it in such an anti-religious way. You gave it in a discriminating fashion which obviously isn't gonna be taken seriously in this discussion.

#2 This topic is about the existence of life on other planets not a religion bash.

#3 This discussion is beginning to get out of hand. This shouldn't have turned into a religious debate in any case. We have plenty of other topics to discuss religion in (thanks to Kira).

Now here is my opinion. Extra terrestrial life is being investigated purely scientifically. There has been huge breakthroughs in finding ice on places like Mars and Europa which is one of the only things life needs to survive. Recently there has been proof of actual flowing water found on Mars' surface which is nothing anyone would have thought existed several years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars

What looks like bacteria has even been found on meteorite fragments which have landed on Earth:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/ALH84001_structures.jpg

Now on the religious point of view you have the bible which says that all life was created by God on Earth. There is no mention of life on other planets in the bible but surely that can't say it doesn't exist. It's only one book, they surely can't talk about everything.

Its awesome how I could get a degree....slap on a white coat and spectacles....tell you something and you would probably eat it up like a fat kid in front of a birthday cake.Like you say you buy into anything the bible says. Science is the future, it's how we're sitting here right now and talking about all this. Though I don't believe in it, the bible possibly has some truth to it but there are parts which are flawed...just like science. The difference is science progresses to understand the world and space and correct mistakes while the bible dictates one belief which hasn't changed for thousands of years.

The bible doesn't mention the existence of life on other planets but that doesn't mean the bible is saying there isn't. Science is the only way we'll find out the answer.

[N O C T E]

#1 Your opinion is valid however you shouldn't give it in such an anti-religious way. You gave it in a discriminating fashion which obviously isn't gonna be taken seriously in this discussion.

#2 This topic is about the existence of life on other planets not a religion bash.

#3 This discussion is beginning to get out of hand. This shouldn't have turned into a religious debate in any case. We have plenty of other topics to discuss religion in (thanks to Kira).

Now here is my opinion. Extra terrestrial life is being investigated purely scientifically. There has been huge breakthroughs in finding ice on places like Mars and Europa which is one of the only things life needs to survive. Recently there has been proof of actual flowing water found on Mars' surface which is nothing anyone would have thought existed several years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars

What looks like bacteria has even been found on meteorite fragments which have landed on Earth:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/ALH84001_structures.jpg

Now on the religious point of view you have the bible which says that all life was created by God on Earth. There is no mention of life on other planets in the bible but surely that can't say it doesn't exist. It's only one book, they surely can't talk about everything.



Like you say you buy into anything the bible says. Science is the future, it's how we're sitting here right now and talking about all this. Though I don't believe in it the bible possible has some truth to it but there are parts which are flawed...just like science. The difference is science progresses to understand the world and space and correct mistakes while the bible dictates one belief which hasn't changed for thousands of years.

The bible doesn't mention the existence of life on other planets but that doesn't mean the bible is saying there isn't. Science is the only way we'll find out the answer.

Very well said Kitmitsu. I think that you totally explained my opinion in a better way than I did. And thanks for the link, very interesting.;)

[Lifrasthir]

Science can't prove the answer sometimes.

[Kitmitsu]

Science can't prove the answer sometimes.

Sorry but the bible can?

[N O C T E]

Well, unless a miracle happens or I die and go to heaven and ask God, then science is the only thing that can tell us the answer at this point in time.

EDIT: Comma needs to go after Sorry Kit.......I just noticed....

[Lifrasthir]

Sorry but the bible can?

No, I never said that.

[Kitmitsu]

*Lucifers-Assasin banned for being an ass* Nah I'll let you off because you appreciated my long essay :P.

Well obviously not every answer in the universe can be solved by any means. I'm just saying science is one of the only ways we can understand our universe further. The only other way religion can answer the life on other planets question is if there is a second coming of Jesus or a new testament.

[Lifrasthir]

*Lucifers-Assasin banned for being an ass* Nah I'll let you off because you appreciated my long essay :P.

Well obviously not every answer in the universe can be solved by any means. I'm just saying science is one of the only ways we can understand our universe further. The only other way religion can answer the life on other planets question is if there is a second coming of Jesus or a new testament.

Yeah I know. ;) Science has opened many doors, yes, but it can't open all. And neither will the Bible.

[N O C T E]

*Lucifers-Assasin banned for being an ass* Nah I'll let you off because you appreciated my long essay :P.

Thanks Kit.:P

Anyway, I don't think everything will be answered by religion or by science. I think that there will be a balance in some one's life who has a religion, and for the rest of the populous, they will believe whatever they think sounds right in their own mind. i thik that eventually science will hit a brick wall though, there is only so much the human race can comprehend....

EDIT: Damn, TF beat me.........

[Allen Walker]

Whats sad about this is that some people are torn between science and religion.

[Lifrasthir]

Thanks Kit.:P

Anyway, I don't think everything will be answered by religion or by science. I think that there will be a balance in some one's life who has a religion, and for the rest of the populous, they will believe whatever they think sounds right in their own mind. i thik that eventually science will hit a brick wall though, there is only so much the human race can comprehend....

EDIT: Damn, TF beat me.........

:D Hehehe. :P

"Search along the wall, until you find a door." Science will revolutionize this world for as long as the world still exists. But it won't find every answer. (As we've stated maybe three times before.)

I've heard all the ET stories...but I just don't know what to think about them. It's hard to sort truth from fiction, regardless of your beliefs.

[N O C T E]

Yeah, I feel sorry for the people who have this little chess game in their head and the two players are science and religion.....ones gotta win eventually.

[Devious]

Yeah, I feel sorry for the people who have this little chess game in their head and the two players are science and religion.....ones gotta win eventually.
Unless it's a draw. =/

I believe in science much more than religion. Science can explain loads more stuff than religion can, where most of the explanations revolve around God or faith.

[Fenristh]

Science can't prove the answer sometimes.

It seems it has this time...

I think saying things like "its not in the bible so its not true" is pretty ignorant and close minded.

[Rekhyt]

It seems [science] has this time...

And every other time, over and over and over and over and over and...

[Rikku]

It seems it has this time...

I think saying things like "its not in the bible so its not true" is pretty ignorant and close minded.

I could also say that dismissing the Bible is pretty ignorant from a Christian's point of view.

And Jason, religion can explain quite the pleasant amount, especially to the people in the era in which the Bible was written. Hell, it seems to explain a lot of Christians, too.

I could say, though, in turn that the Bible is extremely flawed thanks to contradictions as somebody's already pointed out. The same applies for science, though.

I am not a mod, admin, or anything, but I personally think that this is the most ridiculous excuse of a serious discussion ever. Not only is it off-topic, but almost nobody is attempting to speak neutrally (except for Kitmitsu) or giving substantial evidence once challenged (also with the exception of Kitmitsu) from what I've skimmed. No wonder people are acting irate (name-calling, in-your-face attitudes... :/ ).

In fact, I was just being a total hypocrite right then and there. I bet I'm going to end up getting warned or banned or something.

TF, for all those accounts about aliens and such... I don't believe them at all. Crop circles and the like are pretty hard to explain once you rule out the possibility of a hoax (which has to be ruled out in some occurences)... Mostly, though, I'm really skeptical. Aliens bothering to visit us could not possibly be that frequent, and I bet that if they did, we'd detect their presence entering the atmosphere at least half the time.

EDIT: Sorry for the rant. Sorry if I offended anybody. I just got kind of set off by a lot of comments. ._.

[Devious]

The discussion is on whether life exists on other plantets, not whether aliens have already landed on earth. I don't believe they have, personally.

The Bible does explain a good amount, I never said otherwise. Honestly, though, science explains a lot more, with solid proof. I mean, Eve being created from Adam's ribs?

...

[Rikku]

When we talk about life on other planets, we're also talking about life from other planets -- therefore, aliens. And the topic of aliens visiting us touches on that. Obviously, with the validity of alien sightings, we can deduct that aliens exist. So, yes, it does sort of matter since it counts as evidence. :/

Sure, if God existed, that could work. :/ And there is a surprising lack of solid proof when it comes to science. Evolution has indisputable holes in it as well as many other theories. It's why you get so much friggen' dispute amongst scientists.

[Fenristh]

I could also say that dismissing the Bible is pretty ignorant from a Christian's point of view.

lol I knew someone would say that. Kitmitsu gave hard evidence, you have to look at that and at least think "Hmmm, maybe."

Not only is it off-topic, but almost nobody is attempting to speak neutrally

Its an opinion, I can't be neutral about it. O_o I respect both sides, if I didnt I would have said pretty much what Nick said.

This was obviously going to turn into a religious debate, just like every other thread in the serious forum. We have alot of religious people here.

[Devious]

When we talk about life on other planets, we're also talking about life from other planets -- therefore, aliens. And the topic of aliens visiting us touches on that. Obviously, with the validity of alien sightings, we can deduct that aliens exist. So, yes, it does sort of matter since it counts as evidence. :/

Sure, if God existed, that could work. :/ And there is a surprising lack of solid proof when it comes to science. Evolution has indisputable holes in it as well as many other theories. It's why you get so much friggen' dispute amongst scientists.
Sure, but the theory of evolution is more plausible than a woman emerging from a man's ribs. There's no evidence at all.

[Fenristh]

Should someone just make a General religion discussion thread so it keeps out of the other threads?

Obviously its a huge influence on peoples lives and therefore opinions but it keeps turning out to be religious talk and not on topic, like Rikku said. ;p

[Devious]

Should someone just make a General religion discussion thread so it keeps out of the other threads?

Obviously its a huge influence on peoples lives and therefore opinions but it keeps turning out to be religious talk and not on topic, like Rikku said. ;p
Yeah, I'll stop. This should all belong in the religion topic anyway.

[Lifrasthir]

Honestly, all these kinds of threads give us is a lot of controversy between beliefs.

I believe it would just be best if we never have these kinds of discussions.

[N O C T E]

This was obviously going to turn into a religious debate, just like every other thread in the serious forum. We have alot of religious people here.

But I think that there is more non-religious people who post then religious.....

[Tidus]

It seems it has this time...

I think saying things like "its not in the bible so its not true" is pretty ignorant and close minded.

I think saying people's personal beliefs is ignorant and close-minded makes you come off as ignorant and close-minded yourself. The Bible is everything to some people's religion (including mine).....I'm Church of Christ....so we hold veryyyyyyyyyy traditional views toward religion. I take what you said very personally. I think its pretty messed up of you to say what you just said. Even if its an opinion....you coulda left it out of the equation....You could have just said....I disagree with people who say things like "its not in the bible so its not true"

We're all grown-ups here (well most of us anyway)....If I told you what I truly thought about you, I don't think you would like it too well. I'm not going to call you ignorant for believing in aliens though. If thats what you wanna believe, then go on and believe it. Its your pergoative....Whether you meant it the way I'm taking it or not, I think that your statement was a shitty one to make.....or thats the way its coming off as to me.

Threads where religion is factored in are usually bad news. Its a VERY sensitive subject to both believers and non-believers.

[Fenristh]

If I told you what I truly thought about you, I don't think you would like it too well. I'm not going to call you ignorant for believing in aliens though. If thats what you wanna believe, then go on and believe it. Its your pergoative....Whether you meant it the way I'm taking it or not, I think that your statement was a shitty one to make.....or thats the way its coming off as to me.Say what you want, I'm hardly going to cry over an internet forum. :rolleyes: I didnt say you were ignorant for believing in the bible, I said it was stupid to ignore hard evidence.


Threads where religion is factored in are usually bad news. Its a VERY sensitive subject to both believers and non-believers.Then its obvious that at least one person would say something you don't like, isnt it? Someone did say "its not in the bible so its not true" and I thought that opinion was pretty stupid. Am I not allowed the right to an opinion now incase someone cries?

[Alphonse]

So people say ther isent life out ther because of being religios? Never heard of that.

[Tidus]

Say what you want, I'm hardly going to cry over an internet forum. :rolleyes: I didnt say you were ignorant for believing in the bible, I said it was stupid to ignore hard evidence.

Then its obvious that at least one person would say something you don't like, isnt it? Someone did say "its not in the bible so its not true" and I thought that opinion was pretty stupid. Am I not allowed the right to an opinion now incase someone cries?

I believe its stupid to start believing in evidence that isn't even well-endowed yet. You said there is hard evidence.....but why no confirmation yet? Until its 100% confirmed....I guess you should probably continue watching Independence Day and War of the Worlds....because I don't see much coming outta this. Peace!

[Fenristh]

You make it out like I expect little green men from Mars Attacks to come and turn everyone into skeletons. Read the rest of the thread because thats not what im talking about.

[Cathryn]

Dey cumin to getcha dante :rolleyes:

[Rikku]

Ah, 'neutral' wasn't the best word. Maybe 'civil' and 'not offensive' fit better.. wait, they do. :] Calling somebody's opinion 'stupid' no matter how ridiculous it may seem to you is pushing it already since it's a valid opinion. Name-calling ain't much better (addressing posters in general).

Tidus, you're correct in saying that the evidence isn't 100% sure yet... but keep in mind that War of the Worlds is entirely fiction. The chances of something like that happen are slim to none. VERY slim to none. Actually, it's just never gonna happen.

Anyway, the chances of Mars sustaining any sort of life currently? Sort of slim. Really slim. Eh, there's no life on it currently. Maybe in the past. Titan and Europa, especially with Europa and its liquefied hydrocarbons and opportunity for unearthly biochemistry, are both intriguing, but I don't think that it's that plausible at all. In the long run though, there are still an endless amount of planets to explore, at least one of them having some other sort of life form on them.

P.S. I think a rule should be put up to like... ban religious debate from all topics except for maybe a subforum or a certain topic. :/

[N O C T E]

http://www.sassansanei.com/blogpictures/farside.jpg

I had too. This thread needs to lighten up and become a thread where peoples opinions are valued, even if you think that it is not valuable at all....

[Kitmitsu]

P.S. I think a rule should be put up to like... ban religious debate from all topics except for maybe a subforum or a certain topic. :/

Nice idea. This topic really shouldn't have had anything to do with religion in the first place, we have plenty of other topics for that. However if someone believes god is responsible for all life in the universe I suppose it has some place in this discussion. In any case it shouldn't have turned into a flame contest and if I see any further flaming (by anyone at all) I'll simply delete them. I'm not closing the thread because some people have spoiled it.

The chances of actual intelligent life in our own solar system is obviously nil and small celled organisms on mars if there are any are most likely long dead and being preserved in ice or fossils. There can't only be one planet in the universe just like ours so I suppose it's possible there could be intelligent life billions of light years away however unlikely it is we'd meet. I think if we ever meet anything it's not gonna have the capacity to talk :P

[Alphonse]

Well I think ther might be life forms out ther that we might see in the future.

[Kadaj]

We'll since they've proven there isnt much to discuss is there?

[Devious]

We'll since they've proven there isnt much to discuss is there?
Proven what?

[lathandien]

I'm not buying into it. I agree that it probably would have been mentioned in the Bible.

im not christian (im of jewish origin, please dont hate us) and i dont know the bible. BUT I do know that unless you believe in the darwin theory of evolution that i have absolutely no power over what you believe. however, consider this. if there was life on one planet, and according to scientists, the universe is probably quadrillions of lightyears apart, and it is STILL getting bigger, and water is the source of all life (for all we know currently) how unlikely are the circumstances on another planet in our universe to not have the same circumstances we have today for water to not be frozen, or boiled? how UNLIKELY is that if the universe is big. I know i can argue this 6 ways to sunday and won't get you to face the facts (or what our most prized theories tell us) because things have been this way for centuries. :/:unsure:

No. I don't believe in "extra terrestial beings". If God wanted life elsewhere He would have said so in the Bible.

see the above explanation

[007vader]

I don't really think that there is life on other planets. I also think the bible probably would have mentioned it. But without that reason I can see that it would be really easy to think otherwise, I probably would. It's a fun concept to believe, so I don't see what the point of arguing about it. If someone believes in aliens mo powr to ya. I don't see the point in getting worked up about it either way.

[Devious]

God didn't write the Bible, did he? That is, assuming he exists. The Bible was written by humans, none of whom are free of sin. So, they could've easily added whatever they thought was convienient over the years, made up a good reason, and told everybody it was the word of God. And if that is true, then it might also be true that the guys didn't know about aliens?

Even if the Bible was the true word of God, even God can't hope to get humans to fit every little detail of the universe into a few thousands pieces of paper. Maybe he just thought aliens were irrelevant. The computer had a huge impact on the world, as did electricity, and I doubt either were mentioned in the Bible.

[N O C T E]

You know, the bible was written for its time. They did not have electricity and Computers back then. You can still take the core values instilled in the word of God and put them to modern use.

Based on that statement, the human race did not even think about "Aliens" back then, or if it did, it really was a far fetched tale. Also, maybe God did not have "Aliens" put in the Bible because they will never come to play. Maybe the world will already be in chaos because of the rapture. After the rapture, I doubt the inhabitants of the planet will be concerned about finding "Aliens."

[xClimhazzard]

I'm to lazy to read through all 8 pages so I read through 2.. Sorry If this doesn't make sense at the moment, but... I believe that there just may be extra-terrestrial life forms somewhere. Although like most of you said. "The Bible would have mentioned if there were Aliens/Extra-Terrestrial lifeforms and whatnot* I'm a Catholic, too. Interficio just mentioned that the Bible was written for it's time. I'm thinking that it means God didn't know us humans would get so far in life. Get this much Technology. That's what I think. :o

[N O C T E]

Well, that can't work.....God knows the future of mankind before it even happens so...I think that armegeddon is just aproaching, and fast. That is why he did not put it in the Bible, 'cause we will never know until we go to Heaven, that is if your going, or if they just do not exist at all.

[xClimhazzard]

Well, that can't work.....God knows the future of mankind before it even happens so...I think that armegeddon is just aproaching, and fast. That is why he did not put it in the Bible, 'cause we will never know until we go to Heaven, that is if your going, or if they just do not exist at all.

I'm not going against God or anything, and I know people say to not question God.. But.. I've been thinking about this for quite a long time now... In the Creation Story, God told Adam and Eve not to eat from the Apple Tree in the middle, or something.. Adam and Eve did it, anyways.. Shouldn't he have known that..? He should've but.. ... Do you get the point..? I'm a bit confused right now.:wacko:

[Devious]

Yeah, I mean why would God put a forbidden fruit tree there in the first place? And why the hell did He create the snake if he knew that it was gonna entice Eve into eating the apple? I mean, no matter how you look at it God is playing with us. Like He makes evil people and blasphamous bastards like me just so He can send them to hell. @_@

[Allen Walker]

Like He makes evil people and blasphamous bastards like me just so He can send them to hell. @_@

That is an ignorant statement. The Bible says that God made Hell for fallen angels (evil, in other words) but the world became so bad, that humans had to go there to. Think before typing stuff like that.

[Devious]

That is an ignorant statement. The Bible says that God made Hell for fallen angels (evil, in other words) but the world became so bad, that humans had to go there to. Think before typing stuff like that.
Then stop making us. @_@ If the world gets this bad, destroy us already. Don't wait and send all of us to hell.

[N O C T E]

Yeah, I mean why would God put a forbidden fruit tree there in the first place? And why the hell did He create the snake if he knew that it was gonna entice Eve into eating the apple? I mean, no matter how you look at it God is playing with us. Like He makes evil people and blasphamous bastards like me just so He can send them to hell. @_@

Yeah, Kira is right. God did not even create Satan. He was a fallen angel as well. Why do you think that in the Bible Satan has to ask God for permission to tempt Job?

@Hazzard: Sometimes I think God lets us fall so that we will learn from our mistakes and learn to trust in God with our problems, just my opinion though.

[xClimhazzard]

@Hazzard: Sometimes I think God lets us fall so that we will learn from our mistakes and learn to trust in God with our problems, just my opinion though.

Hmmm... That's a good opinion :O .. Since no one's perfect.. God would make it so that we will do mistakes in our lifetime and learn from it, hopefully.

[Allen Walker]

Ayo, theres a reason why he shed his blood for us, so we can be forgiven of those mistakes.

[N O C T E]

Ayo, theres a reason why he shed his blood for us, so we can be forgiven of those mistakes.

Ayo?:blink:

Anyway, Yeah, God is not stupid. He lets you make the mistakes to learn from them and then lets you be forgiven for the mistakes because he sacrificed his son.

It's all a divine system.:nod:

[Devious]

Yeah, I'm obviously outnumbered here.

But God did create Satan, didn't he? Satan was once an angel, right?

[N O C T E]

Satan was once an angel but he got jealous of god and wanted more power so God banished him, thus Satan was created.

[Slim__Cognito]

i dont think it would be mentioned in the bible ..if we knew there was other life out there we would be obssesed with finding it and would probably go crazy in the process...but i do think there are other sentient beings out there seeing as this whole galaxy isnt ours

[007vader]

Wow :blink: you guys just turned a forum about aliens into a religious debate.

[Devious]

Wow :blink: you guys just turned a forum about aliens into a religious debate.
Read all of the large Serious Discussion threads. You'll notice two things. One: Kira made almost all of them, and Two: pretty much all of them have turned into a religious debate.

[Allen Walker]

Two: pretty much all of them have turned into a religious debate.

And who was it that turned it into that? It certainly wasnt me.

[Dream Machine]

I'm shocked when people don't believe in aliens to be honest. Consider exactly how vast the universe is. You can't even imagine it, countless stars, many of them with solar systems. Some of those solar systems must have planets with water (if we are to assume water is the common factor for life). Some of those planets must be able to support life, some of those must have life. Some of those must have sentient life.

The universe is way too big for there to be nothing besides us! Don't want to seem like I'm attacking anyone, but please don't take everything from the bible. I mean the universe is NOT 5,000 years old as some evangelists believe. I mean thats easily disproved by something as simple as Egyptian history goes back 7,000 years! Some small tribes can trace back over 11,000. Humans did not live in harmony with dinosaurs!

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I'm shocked when people don't believe in aliens to be honest. Consider exactly how vast the universe is. You can't even imagine it, countless stars, many of them with solar systems. Some of those solar systems must have planets with water (if we are to assume water is the common factor for life). Some of those planets must be able to support life, some of those must have life. Some of those must have sentient life.

The universe is way too big for there to be nothing besides us! Don't want to seem like I'm attacking anyone, but please don't take everything from the bible. I mean the universe is NOT 5,000 years old as some evangelists believe. I mean thats easily disproved by something as simple as Egyptian history goes back 7,000 years! Some small tribes can trace back over 11,000. Humans did not live in harmony with dinosaurs!

I believe in aliens....a little ^_^ There's several sightings of UFOs in history

[Devious]

http://atinyglimpse.ytmnd.com/
http://thefutureofourworld.ytmnd.com/

Yeah... I love that site.

[Cloud Strife]

you guys.... there has been things on the news that people are saying that theuy have seen UFOs... do you guys believe in them??

[Ringlets]

The M.O.D recently released all the reported UFO sightings around the UK, most of which sound an awful lot like scenes from Signs.

Moving on, i've just started re-reading Dan Brown's Deception Point, which in short is another "don't trust no one" novel with the basic story being NASA finding a rock with an alien fossil on it and planning on using it to help the president win the election. Basically, throughout the science crap i came across this - "Panspermia is the theory that life was seeded here from another planet".

They go on to talk about how this theory is extremely likely, and thus proving that life has to exist somewhere else in the universe for this theory to take place.

[IBeatSephiroth]

I do believe there's life on other planets. It would be a bit weird if there wasn't. There's billions of planets out there, and we, on this tiny grain of a planet, have only 'found' a fragment of them. There may be dozens of other planets out there that support life, but there's a chance we may never find them, or they find us--although, an alien race may have found some neighbours in the form of our planet, but are too shy to say hello? If so, maybe they know that the human race is a dangerous, albeit primitive, one.

[Demon Eyes]

Ya people need to realize on a universal scale we are as small if not smaller than sub-atomic particles. We don't even know what we are. For all we know our universe is one giant peice of mold (maybe small to anything outside it). We are merely microscopic organisms. As for life, I think people are expecting too much, I wouldn't doubt there being intelligent life on many planets, as we are 1 in tens of thousands of galaxies. But who's to say an alien can't just be a microscopic organism living and evolving on some alien soil. I could go on for days with my crazy thoughts, but I don't wanna bore you anymore.

[Halfmetal]

Well, most scientists, all of the most renown scientists, nowadays have faith in the existence of Intelligent life, so that should tell you something.

[Demon Eyes]

Science IS just another belief system though.:wacko:

[Mirrain]

Considering we've only just barely been able to see things outside of our solar system in our own galaxy is hardly anything. The next telescope being prepared to be launched in 15 or so years will see more but even then scientists are just hopeful but realistic it's still small scale.

There are millions of galaxies in space none of which we can really get a good snap shot of. They can see stars but not the planets that are near them. I am pretty sure in all that area, life exists out there. Maybe it's bacteria or other things and not UFO's and space aliens landing on our planet but I doubt we're the 1 in 50 billion. Especially if life has happened on earth alone twice.

[James Dean]

God wouldn't have said so in the Bible...since it doesn't concern us. And...that's only if you believe in God. If your a human being, and can reason, you know that it's mathematically impossible for us to be the only lifeforms in the Universe. There are hundreds of thousands of galaxies(that we can see), each having billions of stars. So the number of planets in the universe should go into the trillions. To say that we're the only ones....is just ignorance, or you're just lying to yourself.

[Synesis]

Science IS just another belief system though.:wacko:


Yeah but at least with science you can prove things with actual fact.

[Demon Eyes]

And then there was Physics...

[Synesis]

My answer is 'no' simply because experts say that significant oxygen in the air and oceans is essential for the evolution of multicellular organisms, and that on Earth the time required for oxygen levels to reach a point where animals could evolve was almost four billion years. Since four billion years is almost half the anticipated life-time of our Sun, life on other planets orbiting short-lived suns may not have enough time to evolve into complex forms.
This is because levels of oxygen will not have had time to develop sufficiently to support complex life, before the sun dies.

[Demon Eyes]

Well of course there isn't gonna be Earthly organisms living on alien planets. Wouldn't it make sense that a planet rich in some other gas besides oxygen will develop organisms adapted to it? We are the offspring of oxygen. We just haven't encountered our chemical cousins yet.:lol:

[Synesis]

Yeah but the point was that other sun's are not around long enough for life to evolve enough to take any intelligent life-form and that's what people associate with aliens.

[James Dean]

Yes, but there are other suns/stars in the universe that do sustain their life as long if not longer than our sun. On our planet, intelligent life has only been around during the past 35,000 years. If Science is correct, the universe has been around for 14 billion years. Imagine a society of intelligent life that has been around for a million years. Just because there is intelligent life out there, it doesn't mean they would have found us already, they could be in the same predicament that we're in when it comes to space travel.

There are more than one hundred billion galaxies in the Universe, each containing hundreds of billions of stars. There is bound to be one star out there like ours. Intelligent life does exist. People tend to think there's not, because it gives life on earth some type of purpose, it makes us special. And it does, we are a product of our planet. We are the finger prints of our planet, unique among all intelligent life in the universe. But life can be formed in many other ways. There is a theory of life existing on dead stars, formed from the negative charges of the planet, so they would be electrical beings living without oxygen. Intelligent life, just comes with time.

[Cloud Strife]

LMAO. This could mean anything.Who knows there might be life in other planets. They could be discussing the samething we are discussing right now. Man this is funny. All I can tell you is this.

A month ago, on the news probably and in the news papers there was a 3 page article about alien abductions. People saw UFO's. They thought it was a Military Aitcraft testing, but no. The speed was far too fast for it. It doesn't even detect on the radars. 1 lady was going back home from the beach at 11 pm i think, and there saw a bright light ahead. They got out of their car and crept closer. Sooner they got the brighter the light went and there was this buzzing noise,. They went abit closer. Close enough to see these men. It was too bright to tell what it was. But, something was drainig their energy. Tehy were getting tired. So they fainted. But they were lucky that the UFO shifted. They woke up and drove back home. When they got home, they heard funny noises and saw the same bright light. There are heaps of victims who have been abducted. But people think it is bullshit. And now there is a Alien UFO thingy company thingy. And this time, I think they are serious. And the attacks have been in New Zealand where I live now.

[Synesis]

Life is heritable genetic information. It undergoes metabolism, possess a capacity to grow, respond to stimuli, reproduce and, through natural selection, adapt to their environment in successive generations. Electricity is not life. The sun is the oldest thing in our galaxy and is the star at the center of the Solar System. The Earth and other matter (including other planets, asteriods, metoerites, comets and dust) orbit the Sun, which by itself accounts for about 99.8% of the solar systems's mass. Energy from the Sun—in the form of sunlight—supports almost all life on Earth via photosynthesis, and drives the Earth's climate and weather. Experts say that for any other planet to sustain life must be the exact or near enough the same distance we are from the sun, plus the sun would have to be of a similar size. Your using the term life too loosely. Life is very complex. Also Cloud if intelligent life did exist it would take 130 years travelling at the speed of light to get to earth if they were any further away then Pluto, unless they travelled faster then that (which is impossible and would break all laws of physics) then I doubt they'd ever bother visiting Earth as much as people say they do just to probe people and then leave, people just want to see aliens not the other way around.

Yes, but there are other suns/stars in the universe that do sustain their life as long if not longer than our sun.
But they're not as big and if they are much older, they wont be as useful for life as our sun.

[Demon Eyes]

I disagree with that sun theory, there are suns that are like thousands or billions times the size of our sun. As for the distance I think it could be proportional, a bigger sun is obviously going to obtain a bigger orbit, so for every time our suns size is increased by two, just increase the distance of life to exist from that bigger sun. It's all probable.

[Cloud Strife]

hm... Even though I don't think it is that impossible to travel around galaxies. People say aliens are out of our planet... I was wondering if they can't survive out there... what if they were made in here?? It's just a fact that I was thinking last night. if we can't prove that they are out there... Then, the chances are they were either produced in our planet or They don't even exist. Do you believe in Fairies and Gnomes and Dawrves and Trolls??

[Demon Eyes]

For all we know, we could be the aliens from some other place.. As for trolls and fairies, not on this planet, unless they live in the ocean.:P

[Cloud Strife]

hm... So... we are aliens ourselves then. lol.

[Nagase]

Do you think there are othe life forms besides us out there? Its hard to say because if God made earth, why can't he do the same thing far away? I supposed that if he did, it would have stated it in the bible, but it doesn't. Those are my opinions, yours?

Well, first of all, atleast there has been sightings of Extra terrestrial ships, even if they are fake or prototype ships, what proof has religon had? Well there's been Jesus' face on a cookie, and

http://xo.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/jesusfish_2.jpg

That....

Seriously ridiculous.

[Allen Walker]

Well, first of all, atleast there has been sightings of Extra terrestrial ships, even if they are fake or prototype ships, what proof has religon had? Well there's been Jesus' face on a cookie, and

http://xo.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/jesusfish_2.jpg

That....

Seriously ridiculous.

lolz, bumping a 2 month old thread to post a pic thats unoriginal.

Fission Mailed

[Nagase]

Oh.....oh....dear.....Have I got a basher all worked up or is that the best answer you could come up with?

[Allen Walker]

Youre free to believe what you want to believe. But just because I believe in something you dont doesn't mean you have to poke fun at it. Thats very childish and immature.

[Nagase]

Coming from the person thats been banned over and over?

[Allen Walker]

Listen, I got suspended for homophobicy at around June. Thats half a year ago. I got banned for 'discrimination.' But im not racist, it was for lulz. Now here you are requested a ban to me...... coming from someone thats been here for 1 day while Ive been here for 9 months........ I dont who you are but you have some nerve.

[Nagase]

Actually I didn't request your ban....Might wanna get that bit right first.

doesn't mean you have to poke fun at it.

No?

im not racist, it was for lulz

According to you, it does.

[Allen Walker]

I said I wasn't racist. I have black friends...... I guess you could I'm racist towards blasphemers...

[Nagase]

your not racist (not what ive heard) but you still poked fun at it which is exactly what you told me not to do.

I have some religous friends too. So don't try that one either

[Allen Walker]

Poked fun at what?

[Nagase]

I got banned for 'discrimination.' But im not racist, it was for lulz.

You poked fun at race, yet you tell me not to poke fun at religon? Now I don't take race jokes offensivly, so I'm not really bothered but it's still very hipocritical of you.

[Allen Walker]

Stop accusing me of stuff that isn't true. I said I AM NOT RACIST (for the third time)

[Nagase]

Oh....my....god.....FINE WHATERVER BUT YOU STILL MADE JOKES ABOUT IT, YOU EVEN ADMITTED IT AND THEN TOLD ME NOT TO MAKE JOKES ABOUT RELIGON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got banned for 'discrimination.' But im not racist, it was for lulz.it was for lulzit was for lulzit was for lulz

[Allen Walker]

I give up. I'm done arguing, believe what you want, I dont care.

[Nagase]

Fine, I'll go back to my corner and try to figure out why your 'God' let this happen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1942339,00.html

[Fenristh]

I think the point that he's trying to make is the fact that you "Did it for the lulz" doesn't take away the fact that it might offend someone whether you're joking or not. :cookie: You can still make a racist comment without hating all black people or whatever.

[Allen Walker]

Fine, I'll go back to my corner and try to figure out why your 'God' let this happen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1942339,00.html

I wont be doing that. I'll pray for you instead.

[Fenristh]

I find that rather creepy. :cookie:

[Nagase]

I wont be doing that. I'll pray for you instead.

don't you dare >:/

[Lifrasthir]

Fine, I'll go back to my corner and try to figure out why your 'God' let this happen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Sto...942339,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1942339,00.html)

When did this happen??

I don't understand why God let this happen. But children do get killed every day.

[Nagase]

When did this happen??

I don't understand why God let this happen. But children do get killed every day.

That's what I love, if he does exist, he just sits there and watches it all happen, yet you all still worship him.

[Fenristh]

Im sure there's another thread for rants in this category somewhere. :cookie:

Keep to life on other planetz discussion plz :cunning:

[Allen Walker]

Thats another one my threads ruined by Nagase D:

[Lifrasthir]

That's what I love, if he does exist, he just sits there and watches it all happen, yet you all still worship him.

If He did just sit and watch, yes I'd still worship Him. To you, He might just sit there and watch all of our seemingly pointless lives from His throne but to me He's always working in the world. Whether we notice it or not.

[Nagase]

That's what I love, if he does exist, he just sits there and watches it all happen, yet you all still worship him.


Doing? Seem's like a small number of pointless lives for such an almighty force to look over.

[Allen Walker]

Have you even tried following the Christain path Nagase? It actually works, but since youre not gonna listen, I'll stop here because its a waste of my time.

[Jive Turkey]

Honestly I hope there is life on other planets, because it would be a bit lonely if we were the only living things in a never ending universe :/

[Nagase]

Have you even tried following the Christain path Nagase? It actually works, but since youre not gonna listen, I'll stop here because its a waste of my time.

I know people that do, and have, and they do the same things I do, just feel like they are better than everyone else.

And how does it work? What works? I lead a good life thanks, and I don't need some sci fi book telling me what I can and can't do.

[Lifrasthir]

Doing? Seem's like a small number of pointless lives for such an almighty force to look over.

Pointless lives? Sorry, was that in reference to this?
To you, He might just sit there and watch all of our seemingly pointless lives from His throne
I'ma little slow today..

[Allen Walker]

Ever had that feeling of 'I wish that could happen to me.'? Its because youre not with Christ.

[Fenristh]

Have you even tried following the Christain path Nagase? It actually works, but since youre not gonna listen, I'll stop here because its a waste of my time.
Who wouldn't want to aspire to the be a racist homophobe such as yourself? :cookie: I find it fairly hyporcritical that you're here trying to make everyone respect your life style, a religious one, when you can even respect others for being gay.

Now PLZ post in the appropriate thread. D:

[Nagase]

Ever had that feeling of 'I wish that could happen to me.'? Its because youre not with Christ.Hmm, now, Im sure your everything you want to be, Im sure you have achieved your dreams at your age. Im 18 you moron, it's not like I've got no hope. There's thousands if not millions of people who don't follow religon and they have got to where they want in life. Your delusional.

[Lifrasthir]

Now PLZ post in the appropriate thread. D:

Sorry sir. -__-Eh...Which thread would that be?

[Fenristh]

Sorry sir. -__-Eh...Which thread would that be?
http://finalfantasyversusxiii.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2329 I guess that's probably more appropriate for this kind of... "discussion" than life on other planets D:

[Jive Turkey]

Okay so if there is life on other planets, what does that mean for us? Communication?? I think we'd fail in that category seeing as we can hardly communicate with ourselves :/

[Allen Walker]

Okay so if there is life on other planets, what does that mean for us? Communication?? I think we'd fail in that category seeing as we can hardly communicate with ourselves :/

Its because retardedness has corrupted the world.

[Fenristh]

Okay so if there is life on other planets, what does that mean for us? Communication?? I think we'd fail in that category seeing as we can hardly communicate with ourselves :/
There's bound to have been contact by now. If there has been the government would obviously cover it if. Remember what happened when The War of The Worlds was release? People went nutz. :cookie:

People would obviously go mad if contact was announced.

[Jive Turkey]

Yeah I agree, we are to much of a fucked up race to even wrap our minds around coming into contact with aliens, that or they'll invade us and destroy us

[Nagase]

And it would piss on the bible, so religous nuts would start saying it was Gods wrath or something -_-.

If an alien was to be shown to the public, some holy redneck would probably shoot it with a .22 rimfire winchester or something. Then we'd be fucked because the aliens are probably alot more advanced than us.

[Kitmitsu]

*Closed*

It seems after several months of being told not to, people can't keep religious ranting out of threads to do with space. Well done guys.