Clearly, female protagonists are a problem

[Agent Dunham]

WE SHALL FIX ALL THE PROBLEMS OF FINAL FANTASY XIII.


LIKE THE AMOUNT OF OESTROGEN. :cathryn:

http://i.imgur.com/E0clp.png

There. Now game will sell 50 billion copies and have a Metacritic score of 15848944147418⁵⁹.

[Ethan]

I wonder though, how long emphasis on Noel will be.

[.A²]

He might be male, but the amount of oestrogen seems unchanged.

[Moklin]

For the first time i can see why people are saying he looks like Yuna.

[Whiplash]

He has Yuna's hair, Auron's pants from his blue period and Squall's eyebrows/eyes.

[Ethan]

For the first time i can see why people are saying he looks like Yuna.

I see it now, I must have missed when everyone was saying this first. Though .A2's avatar helped me see it.

[Chat Noir]

It looks like he's just as tall as Lightning.

[Tiger Lily]

His shoes seem to have more personality than he does.

[Lymle]

I like how you all are hating on a character that we do not know anything about.

http://i51.tinypic.com/nz2l8k.gif

[Ethan]

I think Noel is perfectly fine, he just seems a little... random?

[Agent Dunham]

I like how you all are hating on a character that we do not know anything about.

http://i51.tinypic.com/nz2l8k.gif

I know what he looks like and he looks vastly unappealing. You remember how Snow looked like a douchebag jock and turned out to be a whiny douchebag jock?

Just because you didn't learn your lesson. Jeez.

[Lymle]

I know what he looks like and he looks vastly unappealing. You remember how Snow looked like a douchebag jock and turned out to be a whiny douchebag jock?

Just because you didn't learn your lesson. Jeez.

YOU'VE NEVER WATCHED BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, HAVE YOU?! ;;

[Agustazz]

For your information it's Noelia. Problem solved.

[.simon]

Noel's fine. He reminds me a bit too much of Yuna, but if we can't have Lightning as the main character, at least let it be Serah.

[Ffamran mied Bunansa]

Noel is Squall's less appealing counterpart from another universe!! Noel is Leon spelled backward (okay, that is a silly trivia). His pants looks like Aladin's, but blue! LOL. If he is going to make a big debut with Serah, I recommend that he gets better clothes. Or I might have to get used to it.

Toriyama:

while the strong female character Lighting was the draw of the previous title, XIII-2 features Noel, a cool male main character.

Respect him 'cause he is cool!

[otakumasterage]

Huh...never noticed till now the Yuna comparison. Also kinda reminds me of Tidus. I dont mind the look, just waiting to see if hell fit as a lead character.

[Death Penalty]

Let's just say they had it right the first time, when they made their female protagonist a mute.

[OnewithaBlade]

Noel is not cool to me yet. The more I look at the game, the more I think of X-2.

[Aurelia]

It's not that they aren't ready for a female protagonist. It's that the female protagonist they happened to use was an insufferable cunt.

[Ariana]

Noel is not cool to me yet. The more I look at the game, the more I think of X-2.

Until we see the inevitable pop-concert opening FMV, I think it's safe to assume you're wrong. :aldo:

[Lymle]

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmt2xdO2h41qcrp04o1_500.jpg

:wtf::wtf::wtf:

I can't even think of any witty comments about this. This is just dumb.

[Musou]

^Oh, my. How it definitely preserves it.

[Glacies]

Didn't someone here say "She'll probably get a bow or something just to keep it/her generic/feminine." or something like that?

[Tiger Lily]

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmt2xdO2h41qcrp04o1_500.jpg

:wtf::wtf::wtf:

I can't even think of any witty comments about this. This is just dumb.

Good Lord, please help Square.

[Lymle]

Fighting with a sword wouldn't make Serah any less of a woman, it would make her less of a weak stereotype.

[Ffamran mied Bunansa]

Until we see the inevitable pop-concert opening FMV, I think it's safe to assume you're wrong. :aldo:

I want Noel and Serah to do a duet. That would be fantastic.


Fighting with a sword wouldn't make Serah any less of a woman, it would make her less of a weak stereotype.

I like your argument. Any supporting material for your thesis?

[Lymle]

I like your argument. Any supporting material for your thesis?

The weakest-most fragile characters are always the ones who use a bow or some kind of long distance weapon :wtf:

[Agustazz]

^Wrong! Fran used a bow and I don't see her as a weak character.

[Lymle]

Well there are exceptions, but think about it, the "girly, fragile, sensitive princesses" always use weapons such as bows or simply magic.

[Agustazz]

^Yeah, I know. I support your thinking.
Noel's main weapon will be a lipstick. You know, because she's a princess. :aldo:

[Jake]

Noel's main weapon will be a lipstick. You know, because she's a princess. :aldo:

Youtube-Jedward-Lipstick

And this will be her theme song. :aldo:

Seriously though, S-E needs to join us in the 21st century. The fact they chose to give Serah a bow simply to preserve her femininity is ridiculous. I really just can't at their logic.

[Whiplash]

Does the bow transform into a chastity belt?


And Celes managed to remain feminine with a sword :aldo:

[Agent Dunham]

Square Enix is just sexist. I thought we all knew that by now. :aldo:

[Dora]

Youtube-Jedward-Lipstick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXouSYabDig)

And this will be her theme song. :aldo:

Seriously though, S-E needs to join us in the 21st century. The fact they chose to give Serah a bow simply to preserve her femininity is ridiculous. I really just can't at their logic.

Only in this context do I accept the existence of this song. :hoemai:

Ok, so the whole bows preserve femininity thing is just a big lol.

But bows are hard to use, people. I expect Serah to develop some muscle over the course of this game (as it would in real life), but it's SE so... :aldo:

[Whiplash]

Robin Hood was actually Maid Marion with a false beard.

[Ethan]

Until we see the inevitable pop-concert opening FMV, I think it's safe to assume you're wrong. :aldo:

PLEASE PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN.

[Agent Dunham]

I'd buy 10 copies. :aldo:

[Ffamran mied Bunansa]

Just imagine a spectacular group performance in CGI by Serah, Lightning, Vanille, and Fang. All of them will be in fancy clothes, of course, not their regular attire. Noel will be the special guest performance. The monster recruits will be the backup dancers.

Best Pop Performance by a Female Group.

Brings back memories.

YouTube - ‪final fantasy x-2 opening HD‬‏

I can't wait until some fan make a music video of XIII-2.

@ Agent Dunham - I'd buy 10 and 10 more. ^_^

[Lymle]

If Yuna was a real Popstar, I would actually stan for her. ;;

[Oracle]

Plot twist: Hope is the one who has become the famous pop star. In fact, he has formed a boy band. :cathryn:

[Whiplash]

Wimpy Spice.

[Van Fanille]

Fighting with a sword wouldn't make Serah any less of a woman, it would make her less of a weak stereotype.

The weakest-most fragile characters are always the ones who use a bow or some kind of long distance weapon :wtf:

Well there are exceptions, but think about it, the "girly, fragile, sensitive princesses" always use weapons such as bows or simply magic.

Square Enix's sexiest reasoning for strapping Serah with a bow/arrow aside, I can't really agree with this line of thinking as its generalizes a little too much. It would like saying Vanille is "fragile, girly, sensitive princess" because she uses that dohicky [that looks like deer antlers] with the fishing hooks that allows her to attack from a great distance. Long distance weapons, particularly Bows, are not strapped to characters who are seen as weak either the viewer or the creator who gives it to them. That and they are not always given to females who are "girly' or "sensitive" or even royalty. Hell, or females period, as males use them as well (perhaps not as much as the sword and axe, but they use them).

Elves aren't weak and fragile creatures, never mind their immortality, depending on their lineage, and their typically portrayed as those who prefer the bow/arrow, daggers, over the sword and stronger than the atypical human being. Seriously, Legolas is not a weak/fragile character (or a girl for that matter) and he uses a Bow plus swords. DC, Marvel and a host of comic book publishers, have characters, both man and woman of considerable physical and mental prowess that utilize bow and arrows instead of swords or superhuman abilities akin to that of magic (Huntress, Hawkeye, Bullseye, Green Arrow, Arwyn via Sojourn to name a few)

Rowen from Ronin Warriors, Rae from Sailor Moon? Bow/Arrow were their primary weapons (well, not always for Rae) and neither character could be called weak or fragile.

In the case of royalty: Farah, from the Sands of Time and Two Thrones, uses a bow and arrow, she is by no means a weak character physically or mentally. Yeah, she's not the Prince of Persia, but she can handle herself unless its in-game combat (then she's sure to die because to stupid AI controls). Keira Knightley's Guinevere from that 2005 King Arthur film used a bow and arrow; she is also not a weak, girly female, especially since she alternates between a the bow and the sword near the end of the film.

I think the only person I think falls into the "girly princess" archetype is Susan Pevensie from the Narnia adaptions, who's magic bow/arrow combination was a one-hit-kill if I remember properly. She alternated between a Bow and daggers (clearly modeled after Legolas) if I remember properly... again (I'm probably wrong about that).

The Goddess Artemis is often depicted in artwork using a Bow, and that is no fragile woman seeing as she's a Goddess.

Personally, I associate the weapon with agility and focus that would otherwise not be granted to those who swords. Also, a designers/writer's way of breaking up the monotony of having all their characters using swords/guns, the same way they give characters staffs or bombs to fight with. In the case of stereotypes, their unavoidable, seeing as no matter you do to or give your character, they'll be a stereotype. What matters is how you characterize as them. Wielding a sword doesn't make anyone "less of a stereotype", especially in the case of Final Fantasy where the weapon is also as default as the Staff (it certainly doesn't make Lightning "less of a stereotype" or "more of a [strong] woman" that's for sure). And seeing as XIII-2 isn't out yet, I wouldn't label Serah a stereotype just yet.

Truth be told, I honestly expected her to end up with a sword.

[Agent Dunham]

Unfortunately, Google couldn't provide an image illustrating the idiom "You're reading too much into this."

[Ffamran mied Bunansa]

@ Van Fanille

Look at you! All being an essayist. You have corroborated your argument well with good evidence.

I just want to make this note: either the developers are starting their own stereotype or they want to follow a stereotype for Serah. For me, the asthetics of the bow that Serah wields may be "characterized" as feminine due to the color, contour, shape, etc. Or, one can say the bow itself has nothing to do with the preservation of femininity; rather, it is how Serah will weild it and use it in battle... with grace.

I concur with you. The bow by itself has its advantages that the sword does not have. Range and focus. Being at a distance give her time to move around - wit! Additionally, Serah has to acquire the skill to be meticulous about where she is pointing. Well, but I guess this is a magic bow and arrow so aiming is not an issue? Lol.

The Mog can transform into a bow or a sword.

I think femininity and strength can go hand in hand. Serah will prove that fighting with grace and not being forceful using a bow and arrow should be respected.

[Agent Dunham]

We've gone well off topic.

Mindless sexism! :cathryn:

http://i.imgur.com/wOr7B.jpg

[Lymle]

Square Enix's sexiest reasoning for strapping Serah with a bow/arrow aside, I can't really agree with this line of thinking as its generalizes a little too much. It would like saying Vanille is "fragile, girly, sensitive princess" because she uses that dohicky [that looks like deer antlers] with the fishing hooks that allows her to attack from a great distance. Long distance weapons, particularly Bows, are not strapped to characters who are seen as weak either the viewer or the creator who gives it to them. That and they are not always given to females who are "girly' or "sensitive" or even royalty. Hell, or females period, as males use them as well (perhaps not as much as the sword and axe, but they use them).

Elves aren't weak and fragile creatures, never mind their immortality, depending on their lineage, and their typically portrayed as those who prefer the bow/arrow, daggers, over the sword and stronger than the atypical human being. Seriously, Legolas is not a weak/fragile character (or a girl for that matter) and he uses a Bow plus swords. DC, Marvel and a host of comic book publishers, have characters, both man and woman of considerable physical and mental prowess that utilize bow and arrows instead of swords or superhuman abilities akin to that of magic (Huntress, Hawkeye, Bullseye, Green Arrow, Arwyn via Sojourn to name a few)

Rowen from Ronin Warriors, Rae from Sailor Moon? Bow/Arrow were their primary weapons (well, not always for Rae) and neither character could be called weak or fragile.

In the case of royalty: Farah, from the Sands of Time and Two Thrones, uses a bow and arrow, she is by no means a weak character physically or mentally. Yeah, she's not the Prince of Persia, but she can handle herself unless its in-game combat (then she's sure to die because to stupid AI controls). Keira Knightley's Guinevere from that 2005 King Arthur film used a bow and arrow; she is also not a weak, girly female, especially since she alternates between a the bow and the sword near the end of the film.

I think the only person I think falls into the "girly princess" archetype is Susan Pevensie from the Narnia adaptions, who's magic bow/arrow combination was a one-hit-kill if I remember properly. She alternated between a Bow and daggers (clearly modeled after Legolas) if I remember properly... again (I'm probably wrong about that).

The Goddess Artemis is often depicted in artwork using a Bow, and that is no fragile woman seeing as she's a Goddess.

Personally, I associate the weapon with agility and focus that would otherwise not be granted to those who swords. Also, a designers/writer's way of breaking up the monotony of having all their characters using swords/guns, the same way they give characters staffs or bombs to fight with. In the case of stereotypes, their unavoidable, seeing as no matter you do to or give your character, they'll be a stereotype. What matters is how you characterize as them. Wielding a sword doesn't make anyone "less of a stereotype", especially in the case of Final Fantasy where the weapon is also as default as the Staff (it certainly doesn't make Lightning "less of a stereotype" or "more of a [strong] woman" that's for sure). And seeing as XIII-2 isn't out yet, I wouldn't label Serah a stereotype just yet.

Truth be told, I honestly expected her to end up with a sword.

...Okay .

[Ariana]

Square Enix's sexiest reasoning for strapping Serah with a bow/arrow aside, I can't really agree with this line of thinking as its generalizes a little too much. It would like saying Vanille is "fragile, girly, sensitive princess" because she uses that dohicky [that looks like deer antlers] with the fishing hooks that allows her to attack from a great distance. Long distance weapons, particularly Bows, are not strapped to characters who are seen as weak either the viewer or the creator who gives it to them. That and they are not always given to females who are "girly' or "sensitive" or even royalty. Hell, or females period, as males use them as well (perhaps not as much as the sword and axe, but they use them).

Elves aren't weak and fragile creatures, never mind their immortality, depending on their lineage, and their typically portrayed as those who prefer the bow/arrow, daggers, over the sword and stronger than the atypical human being. Seriously, Legolas is not a weak/fragile character (or a girl for that matter) and he uses a Bow plus swords. DC, Marvel and a host of comic book publishers, have characters, both man and woman of considerable physical and mental prowess that utilize bow and arrows instead of swords or superhuman abilities akin to that of magic (Huntress, Hawkeye, Bullseye, Green Arrow, Arwyn via Sojourn to name a few)

Rowen from Ronin Warriors, Rae from Sailor Moon? Bow/Arrow were their primary weapons (well, not always for Rae) and neither character could be called weak or fragile.

In the case of royalty: Farah, from the Sands of Time and Two Thrones, uses a bow and arrow, she is by no means a weak character physically or mentally. Yeah, she's not the Prince of Persia, but she can handle herself unless its in-game combat (then she's sure to die because to stupid AI controls). Keira Knightley's Guinevere from that 2005 King Arthur film used a bow and arrow; she is also not a weak, girly female, especially since she alternates between a the bow and the sword near the end of the film.

I think the only person I think falls into the "girly princess" archetype is Susan Pevensie from the Narnia adaptions, who's magic bow/arrow combination was a one-hit-kill if I remember properly. She alternated between a Bow and daggers (clearly modeled after Legolas) if I remember properly... again (I'm probably wrong about that).

The Goddess Artemis is often depicted in artwork using a Bow, and that is no fragile woman seeing as she's a Goddess.

Personally, I associate the weapon with agility and focus that would otherwise not be granted to those who swords. Also, a designers/writer's way of breaking up the monotony of having all their characters using swords/guns, the same way they give characters staffs or bombs to fight with. In the case of stereotypes, their unavoidable, seeing as no matter you do to or give your character, they'll be a stereotype. What matters is how you characterize as them. Wielding a sword doesn't make anyone "less of a stereotype", especially in the case of Final Fantasy where the weapon is also as default as the Staff (it certainly doesn't make Lightning "less of a stereotype" or "more of a [strong] woman" that's for sure). And seeing as XIII-2 isn't out yet, I wouldn't label Serah a stereotype just yet.

Truth be told, I honestly expected her to end up with a sword.

Tl;dr...that's one giant tl;dr. :wtf:

[Aurelia]

Unfortunately, Google couldn't provide an image illustrating the idiom "You're reading too much into this."

Next best thing:

http://i52.tinypic.com/ezq4as.png

[Mercenary Raven]

You guys are pricks. She's bringing her own viewpoint into this thread and you're acting like a bunch of condescending assholes about it.

[Chat Noir]

I can't wait for them to release Hope's new design. Oh God, the ruckus it'll make in this thread. :aldo:

[Death Penalty]

I don't see anything wrong with preserving her feminine style by giving her a more feminine weapon. The real problem here is that they portray femininity as useless cowardice in the case of characters like Serah, followed by a completely predictable strengthening that still sees them not doing much of use beyond not shrieking every time a monster shows up.

Oh, and that was me. I was the one who knew she'd get a bow.

[OnewithaBlade]

Fighting with a sword wouldn't make Serah any less of a woman, it would make her less of a weak stereotype.
I saw her with a flute. Or a staff. Guess I was wrong.

Just imagine a spectacular group performance in CGI by Serah, Lightning, Vanille, and Fang. All of them will be in fancy clothes, of course, not their regular attire. Noel will be the special guest performance. The monster recruits will be the backup dancers.

Best Pop Performance by a Female Group.

Brings back memories.

YouTube - ‪final fantasy x-2 opening HD‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXcL06P3ko)

I can't wait until some fan make a music video of XIII-2.

I can't wait to pre-order, maybe SE will give us additional songs.

I can't wait for them to release Hope's new design.
I thought they already did..oh wait. :aldo:
What would Hope be, 19?

[Chat Noir]

What would Hope be, 19?
The whole 5 years has passed thing is still questionable because of the time issues being discussed as one of the mysterious parts in the story.
Also, they need to give Hope a decent, shorter hairstyle if he's going to be older in this game. I don't want him to end up like Kadaj's and even worse, Riku's.

[Aurelia]

>mfw Hope winds up looking exactly like his father

http://i55.tinypic.com/2urny9y.png

[Mike]

Or he could keep the same hairstyle and just get a better outfit that doesn't make him look like a fashion-clueless lesbian.

[.A²]

a fashion-clueless lesbian.

You rang?

http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/files/costumes/4811/42346/oerba-yun-fang.jpg

[Dora]

>mfw Hope winds up looking exactly like his father

http://i55.tinypic.com/2urny9y.png


http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy2/de/images/9/92/Bartholomew_Estheim.png

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/8/8b/Ignis_FFXIII-V.png


I understand the appeal. :cathryn:

[Jake]

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy2/de/images/9/92/Bartholomew_Estheim.png

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/8/8b/Ignis_FFXIII-V.png


I understand the appeal. :cathryn:
I'd tap both. :aldo:

[Aurelia]

:wub: You guys know me so well.

[Oracle]

Plot twist: Ignis actually is Hope's father. "Ignis" was just his code name during his time working for Noctis in his far-off kingdom. :cathryn:

[Mike]

You rang?

Oh come now, Fang wasn't that bad considering she was just some tribal chick. :aldo:

[Death Penalty]

Now I see why I think Ignis is so good-looking. He's a finely aged man-god waiting to happen.

[Aurelia]

Plot twist: Ignis actually is Hope's father. "Ignis" was just his code name during his time working for Noctis in his far-off kingdom. :cathryn:


How about I slap your shit?

[Ariana]

If we get to see Ignis' father in-game, and he looks anything like him, or like Hope's father, I'm taking him. Vi, you have no say in the matter. He's mine. :cathryn:

[Agustazz]

Square Enix's sexiest reasoning for strapping Serah with a bow/arrow aside, I can't really agree with this line of thinking as its generalizes a little too much. It would like saying Vanille is "fragile, girly, sensitive princess" because she uses that dohicky [that looks like deer antlers] with the fishing hooks that allows her to attack from a great distance. Long distance weapons, particularly Bows, are not strapped to characters who are seen as weak either the viewer or the creator who gives it to them. That and they are not always given to females who are "girly' or "sensitive" or even royalty. Hell, or females period, as males use them as well (perhaps not as much as the sword and axe, but they use them).

Elves aren't weak and fragile creatures, never mind their immortality, depending on their lineage, and their typically portrayed as those who prefer the bow/arrow, daggers, over the sword and stronger than the atypical human being. Seriously, Legolas is not a weak/fragile character (or a girl for that matter) and he uses a Bow plus swords. DC, Marvel and a host of comic book publishers, have characters, both man and woman of considerable physical and mental prowess that utilize bow and arrows instead of swords or superhuman abilities akin to that of magic (Huntress, Hawkeye, Bullseye, Green Arrow, Arwyn via Sojourn to name a few)

Rowen from Ronin Warriors, Rae from Sailor Moon? Bow/Arrow were their primary weapons (well, not always for Rae) and neither character could be called weak or fragile.

In the case of royalty: Farah, from the Sands of Time and Two Thrones, uses a bow and arrow, she is by no means a weak character physically or mentally. Yeah, she's not the Prince of Persia, but she can handle herself unless its in-game combat (then she's sure to die because to stupid AI controls). Keira Knightley's Guinevere from that 2005 King Arthur film used a bow and arrow; she is also not a weak, girly female, especially since she alternates between a the bow and the sword near the end of the film.

I think the only person I think falls into the "girly princess" archetype is Susan Pevensie from the Narnia adaptions, who's magic bow/arrow combination was a one-hit-kill if I remember properly. She alternated between a Bow and daggers (clearly modeled after Legolas) if I remember properly... again (I'm probably wrong about that).

The Goddess Artemis is often depicted in artwork using a Bow, and that is no fragile woman seeing as she's a Goddess.

Personally, I associate the weapon with agility and focus that would otherwise not be granted to those who swords. Also, a designers/writer's way of breaking up the monotony of having all their characters using swords/guns, the same way they give characters staffs or bombs to fight with. In the case of stereotypes, their unavoidable, seeing as no matter you do to or give your character, they'll be a stereotype. What matters is how you characterize as them. Wielding a sword doesn't make anyone "less of a stereotype", especially in the case of Final Fantasy where the weapon is also as default as the Staff (it certainly doesn't make Lightning "less of a stereotype" or "more of a [strong] woman" that's for sure). And seeing as XIII-2 isn't out yet, I wouldn't label Serah a stereotype just yet.

Truth be told, I honestly expected her to end up with a sword.
tl;dr
You're indeed reading too much into it. :wtf:

I'd tap both. :aldo:
Me too!! <3

[Aurelia]

If we get to see Ignis' father in-game, and he looks anything like him, or like Hope's father, I'm taking him. Vi, you have no say in the matter. He's mine. :cathryn:

Why you... you... Oh you... clever girl. I can't believe you called it first dammit.




Regarding the topic at hand, honestly I don't hate Noel yet. If he turns out to be better than Cuntning, then I won't give a damn about the blantant sexism. I just hope Serah keeps her fucking trap shut or Noel shutting it for her with his hand.

[OnewithaBlade]

Or he could keep the same hairstyle and just get a better outfit that doesn't make him look like a fashion-clueless lesbian.
Or he could keep the outfit, shave his hair and become The Last Airbender

[Ariana]

Why you... you... Oh you... clever girl. I can't believe you called it first dammit.




Regarding the topic at hand, honestly I don't hate Noel yet. If he turns out to be better than Cuntning, then I won't give a damn about the blantant sexism. I just hope Serah keeps her fucking trap shut or Noel shutting it for her with his hand.

I'm no ordinary Ignis fag. If you want something that attractive, you'll need to step it up a notch. Now, you've still got Ignis' mother available. If she's attractive.

[Aurelia]

I'm no ordinary Ignis fag. If you want something that attractive, you'll need to step it up a notch. Now, you've still got Ignis' mother available. If she's attractive.

>implying Ignis is not the spawn of two ridiculously attractive people

Don't be silly there are no "ifs."

[Ariana]

>implying Ignis is not the spawn of two ridiculously attractive people

Don't be silly there are no "ifs."

I don't know. No god could ever love someone so much that they'd be given two ridiculously attractive people for parents, and be ridiculously attractive themselves. See Noctis. See Noctis' father.

Inb4> Noctis is the Garnet of Versus XIII. Except he grew up to be far uglier than the real Noctis would have. A sad twist of fate.

[Death Penalty]

See Noctis' father.

Now there is a hunk of true manhood man right there. I wish he'd cuff his kid and tell him to get a proper haircut, already.

[Ariana]

Speaking of Noctis' father. Shotgun. :hoemai:

Inb4> I'd gladly be called a slut if I could, in fact, get with Ignis, his father, and Noctis' father. Don't give a fuuuuuuuck.

[Agent Dunham]

You guys are pricks. She's bringing her own viewpoint into this thread and you're acting like a bunch of condescending assholes about it.

And you're acting like a retard if you seriously can't tell that this thread was not made for such a thing. :wtf:

>mfw Hope winds up looking exactly like his father

http://i55.tinypic.com/2urny9y.png

Must be nice to dream. :cathryn:

Plot twist: Ignis actually is Hope's father. "Ignis" was just his code name during his time working for Noctis in his far-off kingdom. :cathryn:

No, Ignis was just moved to XIII when it became abundantly clear that Versus was never being released. :aldo:

[Oracle]

No, Ignis was just moved to XIII when it became abundantly clear that Versus was never being released. :aldo:

That works, too. :aldo:

[Aurelia]

And you're acting like a retard if you seriously can't tell that this thread was not made for such a thing. :wtf:



Must be nice to dream. :cathryn:



No, Ignis was just moved to XIII when it became abundantly clear that Versus was never being released. :aldo:


It is very nice to dream thank you. :cathryn:

Welp at least he's now in a game that does exist.