I think I know why FF6 lovers hate FF7

[Hitoshura]

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/6522/tmpphpcyqmq0kd1.jpg

They forgot Meteor though.

[Desi]

FFV had meteors too. I love saying that.

Oh and yeah that is pretty spot-on not including the more events for characters during the game like shadow flashbacks happened while sleeping in inns instead of getting his own action game to piece it together.

[Alphonse]

I didnt even know that FF6 lovers hated FF7! Thats a really good reason if they do hate it.

[balthierxashe]

lol...that's hilarious! But I'm a lover of both games :) *My PS2, two memory cards, and FF6 were stolen last week!! *shoots the bastards who did it* :(

[L]

I don't like FF7 because Cloud is an emo spotlight whore.:cookie:

[Hitoshura]

Yea lets judge a game based on a main character instead of the plot, gameplay, and music. *sarcasm*

[L]

:cookie:


But another reason I really don't like FFVII is because a lot of people exaggerate about it, making the game quite dull and boring. It's all I ever see left and right. :(

Also, I didn't really like the music of FFVII that much.

[Hitoshura]

FF7 is my fav cause I thought it had the best story/plot and characters. Sure the music and graphics was bad, but were talking about a 1997 game.

[Shana]

I seriously did not even know that I hate Final Fantasy VII. o_o

[Neal]

oooooooollllldddddd

[Flint]

*My PS2, two memory cards, and FF6 were stolen last week!! *shoots the bastards who did it* :(


Your PS2 was stolen!? That's harsh...I hope you really do get to shoot the bastards who did it!

[xClimhazzard]

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/6522/tmpphpcyqmq0kd1.jpg

They forgot Meteor though.

O_o; ...
Wow, that IS a good reason why they should hate it. ;)

[Naunen]

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/6522/tmpphpcyqmq0kd1.jpg

They forgot Meteor though.

----I'm thinking it has to do with Nomura fans versus Amano fans. Man, that game was hard to come by.

[Cloud Strife]

They both connnect??

[BlueOni]

It's called a motif. The "evil god" motif can be seen throughout the series, as a matter of fact I can't think of any FF game that doesn't have a godlike final boss (anti-religion propaganda perhaps?). FF6 and FF7 feel completely different and Kefka is nothing like Sephiroth. Kefka is a maniac, Sephiroth is emo. Kefka ruins the world, Sephiroth doesn't.

[Whiplash]

You forgot that Sephiroth wore leather and Kefka didn't, clearly the most important difference of all. Certainly the one, along with the difference in size of their respective weapons, that explains the difference in their popularity levels.

[BlueOni]

Yeah, it must be the leather and emo thing. I think Kefka is far more interesting though, Sephiroth is just a puppet of Jenova.

BTW, what weapon size are you talking about?! Kefka had the LIGHT OF JUDGEMENT for crying out loud.

[Whiplash]

But Sephy's sword is just so much more... symbolic shall we say? And he had it for the whole game.

I agree with you that Kefka's more interesting than Sephiroth, I don't make the rules I just read 'em and make insinuations with them.

[BlueOni]

You just had to go there, huh?!

[Whiplash]

Someone had to say it, we were all thinking it.

[BlueOni]

Well I wasn't, maybe it's just you that thinks about the swords of FF villains?

[Whiplash]

No the fanboys do as well, and so do all of the other people out there who bring these things up.

I blame my English Literature education, it makes me look for symbolism every thing I see/read.

[BlueOni]

Now this is why I never use twohanders in WoW... sword jokes are all too common.

[Desi]

It's called a motif. The "evil god" motif can be seen throughout the series, as a matter of fact I can't think of any FF game that doesn't have a godlike final boss (anti-religion propaganda perhaps?).I read it more as too much control for one person/thing/god to have. It happens constantly in Japanese games no matter what the genre. Someone becomes a god (or is a god already) and you have to wipe them out.

I forget where I read it from. Nothing more then a belief that anything with total singular domminance or power can be corrupted.

[BlueOni]

Westerners say: "Absolute power corrupts absolutely". Too much freedom allows the true, evil nature of man to come out.

[ceru]

I think if you were to read this about VI without the corrections, you would feel as if something were missing from the plot summary. The same is true if it were just written for VII.

Both games have similar foundations, but they go in very different directions, imo. Not to mention that is only half of VI.

I like both games, but I think VI is better than VII.

[Hitoshura]

People that bump old topics deserve to die -_-

[Naunen]

People that bump old topics deserve to die -_-

----Hey, Bean Sprout. That unwritten rule applies to Updates or news threads. -_-

[ceru]

People that bump old topics deserve to die -_-

That picture is still floating around and popping up all over the internet, and fans still say VI copied VII. Its still relevant.

[Josh]

:cookie:


But another reason I really don't like FFVII is because a lot of people exaggerate about it, making the game quite dull and boring. It's all I ever see left and right. :(

Also, I didn't really like the music of FFVII that much.
Final Fantasy VII is definitely over-rated. I've played a lot of Final Fantasy games and Final Fantasy VII is definitely near the bottom, that doesn't make it a bad game though - I just didn't think it was as good as other Final Fantasy games.

The problem with Final Fantasy VII is, you'll always have higher expectations as a player. For example, if you played it ten years ago when it came out; and went back and played it now you'd realize that it wasn't that good.

[ceru]

Final Fantasy VII is definitely over-rated. I've played a lot of Final Fantasy games and Final Fantasy VII is definitely near the bottom, that doesn't make it a bad game though - I just didn't think it was as good as other Final Fantasy games.

The problem with Final Fantasy VII is, you'll always have higher expectations as a player. For example, if you played it ten years ago when it came out; and went back and played it now you'd realize that it wasn't that good.

I love it but I would only rate it as 6.5 - 7 lol.

[Lustre]

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/6522/tmpphpcyqmq0kd1.jpg

They forgot Meteor though.
I never noticed the similarities between the two ._.

[wohdin]

The problem with Final Fantasy VII is, you'll always have higher expectations as a player. For example, if you played it ten years ago when it came out; and went back and played it now you'd realize that it wasn't that good.
OH NO YOU'VE UNLEASHED THE SECRET

I'm a 6 fan. I don't "hate" 7, nor do I think it's a blatant ripoff of 6. If that were the case, then you could reduce it down even further and argue that every FF is a ripoff of its father from 1 to 12. Of course they have similar grounds, but that's the whole foundation of FF right there. The worlds are connected, but no one really understands how; they're the same, but different.

Also, I do think that 7 gets too much praise nowadays, but for its time, I remember the impact it left on me way back in 1998. It was a thing of beauty. Of course, it was an incredibly, eyeball-blisteringly pixelated and blocky kind of beauty, but whatever. Now I would replay 1 and 2 before I'd even touch 7. Hell, I just recently replayed 8 just to avoid 7. (It doesn't help that I've counted 8 playthroughs of 7 and can't say even half for any other FF, and when only two other games surpass that count (Chrono Trigger and Metal Gear Solid), I find it difficult to even think about playing FF7 through again - even if it were a remake. :P)

For the record, 8 is my favorite. (Then 6, then 10, then 7. Yes, 10 is that high on my list.)

[monkeyJ]

ok, i love FFVI and FFVII but still, that's pretty funny ^^

[Adam Blade]

FFVII is overrated. It's amazing but not the best. 6 had a better story/plot.

[olorin818]

obviously 7 is better then 6, .its not only a matter of personal taste,just look at the number of sold copies and reviews, for that days it was briliant game, beating ff6 couple of times, but honestly i never heard of anyone saying that fans of 6 dont like 7. Odd. Its like some yuna fans wont like aeriths.,.

[Whiplash]

^Higher sales might make it a more popular game, but not necessarily a 'better' game.

[monkeyJ]

cheers to that ^

[IBeatMyMeat]

i personally hated VII and love III....but i spose everyone has their own opinions on it. i didnt like VII cause 1) one of the most loved characters was just tossed in last minute to give a love interest and plot twist, and 2) it was a generally cliche game with only a few endearing traits, like the materia system, that i did like. though the ppl that go on about not likin it for the amount of characters is kinda stupid when III had roughly 12-14 characters to choose from at the latter part of the game. however the story, characters, and geenral gamplay of III made it a more memorable game for me, and VII felt like a swift kick to the nuts with the shitty polygons(shitty even by the standard of the age), and unoriginal "dude wants to take over the world" story. "lets drop a huge meteor on the planet!!" atleast most other FFs find a more original way to have a villain destroying/taking over the world....

[balthierxashe]

I agree that six was more original and complex. Seven seemed more focused, in a way. I also liked how, in six, it was about all the characters and the world, not just a small handful like in seven. I like them both though.

However, I think that six should get remade before seven.

[ceru]

i personally hated VII and love III....but i spose everyone has their own opinions on it. i didnt like VII cause 1) one of the most loved characters was just tossed in last minute to give a love interest and plot twist, and 2) it was a generally cliche game with only a few endearing traits, like the materia system, that i did like. though the ppl that go on about not likin it for the amount of characters is kinda stupid when III had roughly 12-14 characters to choose from at the latter part of the game. however the story, characters, and geenral gamplay of III made it a more memorable game for me, and VII felt like a swift kick to the nuts with the shitty polygons(shitty even by the standard of the age), and unoriginal "dude wants to take over the world" story. "lets drop a huge meteor on the planet!!" atleast most other FFs find a more original way to have a villain destroying/taking over the world....

Who was #1? There were two love interests btw. o_O;

*spoiler sort of*
The whole alien from space genetics had been done before?

[IBeatMyMeat]

aerith, and genova was never a huge "omg this is the megaboss" sephiroth was the villain in that game. and balthier, i think most ppl think "anthologies" counts as a remake....even though a remake tends to IMPROVE on game, not make it worse....

[wohdin]

On the matter of characters in 6, I must concur. I'm a characterization whore, and I loved that in 6 you could either ignore everyone's backstories or complete any of MANY side quests to unveil each character's unique personality. The bounded non-linearity of 6 is my favorite aspect, because you can ignore characters you don't care about and still get everything you want out of it.

i think most ppl think "anthologies" counts as a remake....even though a remake tends to IMPROVE on game, not make it worse....

NNO. The Anthology version is a prime example of a port. Nothing in the main game was changed significantly (except sprite/font clean-up, localisation editing and those atrocious load times which I assume is what you're citing for the "worse"-ness of the game). I wouldn't even consider the GBA version a remake, it's more like a relocalisation port, because nothing else is really drastically done, save for the "bonus" material and once more cleaning up of the graphics, which is all but standard course of action in, what? a port.

Balthier, at this rate we'll see 5 and 6 on the DS before FF7 sees the PS4. :P

[ceru]

I want a console VI.

[IBeatMyMeat]

did i say "it is a remake"? no i said most ppl CONSIDER it a remake. and theydidnt just clean up sprites and add shit load times/content, they fucked with names of items, added bugs without fixing old ones(which is good they didnt fix the bugs cause they made that game easy xD 128MEvade ftw) and changed sound effects in parts that made it want to play the entire game with normal music playin on ITunes. it was a shit "port/remake w/ethefuck" and made everyone jump on the banwagon and start callin 3, 6, meanin most hadnt ever played 3. so boo to the noob FFers D: (thats a sarcastic joke btw....kinda)

[balthierxashe]

I certainly wouldn't call it a remake. I've never known anyone to call the Anthologies a remake.

I would rather see the VI remake on PS3 or PS4 than on any other media though...*pout* lol

What's your definition of noob? I've been playing these games since I was in elementary school, and I'm 19 going on 20. Calling it III or VI, in my opinion, is more of personal preference than anything. Besides, most people know exactly what you're saying when you say VI, whereas if you say III they either don't know or have to think about it for awhile.

[wohdin]

I certainly wouldn't call it a remake. I've never known anyone to call the Anthologies a remake.

I would rather see the VI remake on PS3 or PS4 than on any other media though...*pout* lol

What's your definition of noob? I've been playing these games since I was in elementary school, and I'm 19 going on 20. Calling it III or VI, in my opinion, is more of personal preference than anything. Besides, most people know exactly what you're saying when you say VI, whereas if you say III they either don't know or have to think about it for awhile.

I concur to this whole post. Except for the 6-on-PS3 bit, I really don't want to see the older FF's enter the bloated world of next-gen consoles lest they lose their charm. IMO, FF1-6 are best suited for remaking on the DS, not only because of the technical limitations of the console, but because it takes a lot less work but at the same time a lot more innovation to scale it up as such and then cram it back down again without it losing anything. 3 was a great example of this at work, and 4 so far is the same.
TL;DR: Keep my nostalgia away from your convolution, kthx :D

[ceru]

I think VI is too big to be contained on the small screen. :)

[balthierxashe]

I have to agree with Ceru...it's only your opinion that it would take away the charm of the game. I just don't think the PSP or DS would do it enough justice, and besides I prefer the bigger screens in general.

[GarageBandNinja]

Though I thought FFVI was good, I still loved VII so much more. This is most likely because I played VII first, but it really had so many more elements relatable to players of not only the fantasy genre, but some more realistic aspects as well. Thus the steampunk setting really worked out well in the game. That and Shinra was so much cooler than the empire

[ArxTheHero]

I like them both. I think that VII is annoying at parts and VI has alot of bosses that are really tough, like Atma Weapon.

[InquietusSomnus]

Hahaha!
That's very interesting! :D Good point!
I love both games. :D

[Flowing Ice]

LOL!!

I never thought about that. Though I don't think of Sephiroth, or Cloud for that matter, as emos. I just don't think Sephy is a very good villain IMO. Now Kefka on the other hand..What a total nut job..and I love it!

[beany911]

well sephiroth just looks cool, and has an awesome theme song. Kefka IS cool and has a cooler them song (IMO)..... besides all that sephiroth and Kefka are the same.

[Wacka14]

Sephiroth and Kefka are 2 extrordinary Villains of 2 completely different levels

Sephiroth is calm,collected,cocky,and creepy at times. His story is interesting and after playing Crisis Core, a little sad. The way he carries himself and his goal are also what make him an epic villain...and he has a 12 foot sword. He's the poster boy for Long hair,bangs, and leather coats, everything else is an imitation.

Kefka is one of a kind when compared to the other FF vilains. He's bat-shit-crazy and that's says enough right there. If someone had told me that the villain was going to be a clown, I'd have laughed them right out the door, but he's SUPER EFFECTIVE and you love to hate him...or just hate him. I'm not saying I like him more than Sephy boy, but where sephiroth tried, Kefka succeded and that alone puts him in the big leages.

VI is a step up from V and the previous games. I personally don't think it's as influential as VII was but it was a huge leap and should at leats be flicked to the ps2. But if all else fails at least give it the Crisis Core treatment and put it on the PSP. It's a wonderfull/funny game that deserves care

I think alot of people just dislike VII because it's popular, which is the most petty/childish reason to dislike something. If someone really doesn't like the story or characters than I say to each his own...although it's their loss. I just hold VII as a milestone in rpg history, and in every aspect I still hold it as the gretest final fantasy, I still hope for XIII to beat it though

[Zantetsuken]

For all the FFVII fanboy's out there, there are just as many FFVI fanboys and girls who try and hate on FFVII and pimp their favorite game. Hating on FFVII is like the cool thing to do now, you know, anti-establishment and whatnot, while pimping FFVI apparently shows that you are either cultured as a gamer or "old school" in your tastes. Well here's a hint, just like a foreign film infatuation doesn't make you cool, it just makes you a douchebag, going on and on about how great Final Fantasy VI is doesn't make you any better than the people who go on and on about how great Final Fantasy VII is.

Here's a news flash: they were both stellar games. If you like one better than another, then good for you. However, as someone said, hating something just because it's popular screams indy-trash and you don't want to be that kid with his head stuck that far up his or her ass.

[MagitekElite]

I don't know about any other FFVI or FFVII fan, but I love both games. I don't have to say which is better, because they are both fantastic games. Sure, I prefer the old school looking games, even if its not a FF game, but I still love FFVII and any other FF game that came after it, besides XI lol

Even if I did try to "explain" why FFVI or FFVII is better to a fanboy or fangirl, they would still be upset and freak out on you. Its not worth the time to sit and argue to a three year old who has acess to the internet :lol:

Although, the chart (http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/6522/tmpphpcyqmq0kd1.jpg) you gave Hitoshura, would probably explain why they hate it. Because they can match things from VI directly to VII :blink: I never notice it had so much from VI though....great, now I'll have this in my head all day :ohmy:
I don't like FF7 because Cloud is an emo spotlight whore.:cookie:I only sometimes not like FFVII because of the huge fanbase rabid people who flock at it and every spin-off to be thrown out. I loved the first FFVII game; graphics, characters and music, but people make Cloud and Sephiroth even more emo than they first appeared and I loved my Cloud! :'(

[meteor]

Yeah, it must be the leather and emo thing. I think Kefka is far more interesting though, Sephiroth is just a puppet of Jenova.

BTW, what weapon size are you talking about?! Kefka had the LIGHT OF JUDGEMENT for crying out loud.

Jenova is a puppet of sephiroth.
If you followed the game even the slightest bit you might had noticed that.

[MagitekElite]

^ I wouldn't know about the Jenova and Sephiroth thing because I haven't played my copy in years....but I personally see the Light of Judgment being a tad bit scarier than Sephiroth's sword. :|

I still think Sephiroth is cool though, so no one freak on me ;):lol:

Now Kefka on the other hand..What a total nut job..and I love it!
I love it also lol

[ArgoXavier]

I enjoyed VI the most, but VII was still a good game. I just get flustered when people say it is the best, because I think its the worst. And I really don't see what makes Sephiroth so much of a bad ass. Kefka became God, enough said.

I am bias though because VI is my favorite FF and Kefka is my favorite character ever.

[MagitekElite]

@ArgoXavier: haha...I like you :)

I feel the same way about this subject; I love VI more, but I still think VII is a good game, just not the best...I certainly don't hate FFVII.

[ArgoXavier]

@ArgoXavier: haha...I like you :)

Thank you. lol

I think the overall #1 reason I didn't like VII was because I knew things about it before I played it and it just didn't meet my expectations. I played VIII, IX, X, and VI right before it so it felt like a step down. But hey, it's still a FF and I still own it and I'll still probably play it when I'm done with Crisis Core.

[MagitekElite]

:)
You're welcome, ArgoXavier.

I started on VI and Secret of Mana, than VIII and than VII. But, I watched my brothers play it all the time and I played snippets of VII only to the part where I had to rescue Tifa/Aerith- my mother never let me go past that until I was 8/9 and after I got sick. I guess she tried to spoiler me, but that didn't work because she wasn't spoiling me :lol:;)

I own a pretty bad PSP, but I don't own Crisis Core. I meet people saying its really bad and than people saying its really good but they don't count it as a FF game...I get confused lol

VI to me, by far has themost developement for both characters and story.

[Zantetsuken]

Crisis Core is a Final Fantasy (obviously lol), and it feels like a Final Fantasy, but it doesn't play like one. I like the typical RPG style better by a whole lot but Crisis Core has amazing production values for a PSP game and Zack is a good main character.

[ArgoXavier]

I agree. I prefer the old battle systems. But the overall story of FFCC is great so far. And Zack has proven to be a good character for the game to revolve around. The game is also helping me understand the original VII a lot better.

[Gd_Master16]

Crisis Core's battle system and story line were kinda disappointing. The only reasin why I liked the game was the end because it's what originally led into FF7, possibly also zack's relationship with areith. I think this was an important game in the series and they should've taken more time on it, it could've been a lot better.

[Thunder]

Crisis Core's battle system and story line were kinda disappointing. Lulz?
Crisis Core was probably the most valid title in FFVII compilation. Aside the fact that you don't have a party but just one character, how is the battle system disappointing?
(Not that having just one pg on control is disappointing, just saying)

[Gd_Master16]

Lulz?
Crisis Core was probably the most valid title in FFVII compilation. Aside the fact that you don't have a party but just one character, how is the battle system disappointing?
(Not that having just one pg on control is disappointing, just saying)

Are you joking? It was lame button mashing that was so easy I never lost. And ten minutes into the game you can already do 9999 damage. The battle system was annoying.

[Thunder]

Are you joking? It was lame button mashing that was so easy I never lost. And ten minutes into the game you can already do 9999 damage. The battle system was annoying.
Mmm... because... action games are about button mashing maybe? http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7216/coolb.gif
And is not easier than any other FF tbh.

But maybe you're special because you never lost and got 9999damage after 10 minutes. And I'm sure you were also on hard mode!!

[Ramenzilla]

I don't HATE FFVII by any means, in fact it was my favorite FF until X came along, but I do get tired of how over hyped it is. Not because it's not worthy of fan love, but because I don't think it's really that much better than the other final fantasies...like they all offer unique experiences within the same world and have good/bad characters so yeah. FF7 is not infallible by any means.

FFVI is definitely my...2nd or third favorite. I liked most of the main characters and it had a pretty good story! I didn't really like it as much after the world was destroyed or whatever =/ but that's ok.