Final Fantasy XIII-2 afterall?

[V.Anaya]

According to an article @ http://whois.domaintools.com/finalfantasy13-2game.com
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Final Fantasy XIII-2? Yeah. It might actually happen.

Discovered by Supererogatory, Square Enix registered a Final Fantasy XIII-2-related domain two days ago. The URL: finalfantasyxiii-2game.com. The registrar used to register the domain is CSC, whom Square regularly use for their domains (see mindjackgame.com).

In late December, it was discovered that Square Enix had trademarked Final Fantasy Type-0.

On January 18th, Square Enix will hold their 1st Production Department Premier press conference, where we’ll see the debuts of Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Final Fantasy Agito XIII, Kingdom Hearts 3DS, and other titles. We’re expecting new game announcements at the conference, as well.

We’ll see how it all goes down next Tuesday, when the conference is held.
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This has been taken with a grain of salt for me... :\

[Death Penalty]

I'd like to see it come with compelling story and characters, an engaging battle system that doesn't play itself and an apology from Square Enix for not including either of those in the first game.

[V.Anaya]

I'd like to see it come with compelling story and characters, an engaging battle system that doesn't play itself and an apology from Square Enix for not including either of those in the first game.

List of requirements for FIRST DAY PURCHASE:
- Towns
- Actual leveling, as in "1-99"
- Heavy customization like armor, helmets, etc.,
- NO LINEARITY, puleaseeeee
- Well fleshed villains
- Execute Vanille
- No more Serah

[Tiger Lily]

I'd like to see it come with compelling story and characters, an engaging battle system that doesn't play itself and an apology from Square Enix for not including either of those in the first game.

Nowadays, that's asking for too much.

And I so do hope this isn't happening.

[Agent Dunham]

Versus is being rebranded as FFXIII-2.

[Falsate]

Versus is being rebranded as FFXIII-2.
This is accurate.

[Agent Dunham]

Tell me something I don't know.

[Aurelia]

Versus is being rebranded as FFXIII-2.


Starring Noctis as Serah and Snow's future son.

[Glacies]

^I just vomited in my mouth a little...

[Agent Dunham]

Stella is a failed clone of Lightning.

And Circus Cage is Hope's half brother. He takes after his father more than Hope could ever dream to.

[Oracle]

Blond guy is Snow's long lost brother.

[Thula]

Square Enix had trademarked Final Fantasy Type-0
Square likes to trademark games that will never happen. See FF Haeresis :aldo:



compelling story and characters, an engaging battle system that doesn't play itself

This was the first game.

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

waste of resources, cancel and forget plans, roast tangible evidence of this terrible idea ever existing, stop working on sequels, finish versus, finish agito, what the fuck is haeresis still etc etc

Versus is being rebranded as FFXIII-2.
Only answer I will accept.

[Aurelia]

And Circus Cage is Hope's half brother. He takes after his father more than Hope could ever dream to.


And he is the favorite child. Clearly. Obviously.

[Hoax2010]

Goddamnit square pls just focus on the games u r working on right now I'm pretty sure ppl want versus sooner rather than a ffxiii-2 sometime in the future and if u have time to make ffxiii-2 then u have time to remake vii-Which ik is overdiscussed but still it's true

[Ariana]

I'm all for FFXIII-2. Sure, XIII was linear, but FFX was just as linear during most of the game. Sure, the battle system had the opportunity to play itself, but people could have easily set the default away from Auto-Battle to select their own commands. It took a bit more time, but it was possible.

I just want to see if they can follow up the game properly, and Final Fantasy XIII Episode 1 looks like it built up the framework to do that.

[Chat Noir]

I saw this coming. After reading FFXIII: Episode 1, everything was just hanging.

Slowly, slowly she had accepted this place for what it was. This was no place she could fight. A world with nothing, and... everything. To put it into human words... nothingness and chaos.
But still she walked forward. Perhaps, because she still had something to look for.
“Where? Where am I trying to go?”
There was no answer. Only the stillness, at once a moment and forever, swallowed her voice.


It made me go :ohmy:

Source: http://dilly-shilly.blogspot.com/search/label/Final%20Fantasy%20XIII

[Cinderella]

Im SUPER EXCITED FOR THIS FFXIII-2

I dont care what anybody thinks I loved FFXIII and I shall love 13-2 if they improve upon the first. They should let me use my data from 13

[Ariana]

Im SUPER EXCITED FOR THIS FFXIII-2

I dont care what anybody thinks I loved FFXIII and I shall love 13-2 if they improve upon the first. They should let me use my data from 13

I'm excited too! I just hope they fix the issues the game had, like adding all of the normal stats for each character, adding more abilities per role, changing how the roles work, and adding armour to the mix. Also, SE needs to axe the Crystarium, or get rid of the cap. If I feel like pumping hours and hours into an area to grind, then I goddamn better be able to reap the rewards.

Still, even if they change nothing and just extend the game, I'm all for it.

[Chat Noir]

As long as Hope and Snow are out of the picture, I'm all for it. :B

[RunForJoy]

i'm also excited for ffXIII-2, i like the first part (i played it on my cracked xbox), i bought it for my ps3 not long ago and it will be great to play it again before the second part comes

[Ariana]

^ No. :wtf:

They destroyed fal'cie reign for the people of Cocoon, I'm PRETTY sure they'll be featured in XIII-2 as well. They don't have to be playable characters, but they'll play some kind of role in the game for sure.

[Ethan]

Oh hey I just posted this :aldo: Eh, not sure how I feel though, if it is in fact XIII-2 I'm just going to be like "Shit out the other games first, then come talk to me about a sequel for XIII"

[V.Anaya]

:cathryn:"She must not be forgotten..."

[brendude13]

I'd like to see it come with compelling story and characters, an engaging battle system that doesn't play itself and an apology from Square Enix for not including either of those in the first game.

Were you playing the wrong game or something? I much preferred the whole Fal'cie thing over hearing Cloud and Squall talk about their troubled childhoods, and I am also sick of the make up wearing emo antagonist's aswell.

And don't even say the battle system played itself, I got my ass whooped too many times. >_<

[Death Penalty]

Were you playing the wrong game or something? I much preferred the whole Fal'cie thing over hearing Cloud and Squall talk about their troubled childhoods, and I am also sick of the make up wearing emo antagonist's aswell.

And don't even say the battle system played itself, I got my ass whooped too many times. >_<

The characters in FFXIII were so bland and one dimensional that I found myself growing sickened with them. The melodrama was so bad and so out of nowhere that I found myself beginning to hate them. The only semi-decent character in the whole half-finished storyline was Sazh, and that's because he actually responded like a human being instead of a two-bit soap opera character. The fal'Cie and l'Cie thing, I liked a whole lot. The entire mythology of the game was fantastic. It just wasn't done justice by shallow characters and shallower glimpses of the world itself.

And please. As long as you switched to the appropriate paradigm at the appropriate time, even superbosses could be fought through with items and auto-battle. Not to mention the combat was sluggish and not very fun; the break bar being a necessity to kill any enemy quickly slowed things down tremendously.

Don't get me wrong. The game wasn't awful, but it wasn't that great either. I want to see a lot of improvement if they're going to make a direct sequel.

[Cinderella]

The characters in FFXIII were so bland and one dimensional that I found myself growing sickened with them. The melodrama was so bad and so out of nowhere that I found myself beginning to hate them. The only semi-decent character in the whole half-finished storyline was Sazh, and that's because he actually responded like a human being instead of a two-bit soap opera character. The fal'Cie and l'Cie thing, I liked a whole lot. The entire mythology of the game was fantastic. It just wasn't done justice by shallow characters and shallower glimpses of the world itself.

And please. As long as you switched to the appropriate paradigm at the appropriate time, even superbosses could be fought through with items and auto-battle. Not to mention the combat was sluggish and not very fun; the break bar being a necessity to kill any enemy quickly slowed things down tremendously.

Don't get me wrong. The game wasn't awful, but it wasn't that great either. I want to see a lot of improvement if they're going to make a direct sequel.


Actually you chose to let the game play for you. It gives you the option to either select your own attacks or let the it choose for you.

[Mike]

The way it let you choose your own attacks felt kind of a bit too laborious for me to keep doing though, meaning I eventually reverted to Auto-Attacking all the time, myself. Assuming it was the same for him and everyone else complaining about it, they at least need to streamline it a bit to improve that aspect of the battle system.

Of course, maybe I'm just a lazy whore and nobody else feels the way I do about it.

[Death Penalty]

^^^^^^^^
Yeah, that right there. It was simply impractical to choose all the correct commands when, let's face it, they were just going to be the exact same thing the auto-battle chose for you if you took the time to scan the enemy. It takes a long ass time, too, and if you aren't a robot it can even become a disadvantage against tough enemies.

[Ethan]

True masters of the game learned the menu of individual classes well enough to be able to manual select actions quickly and efficiently.

Just saying.

[Ramenzilla]

The characters in FFXIII were so bland and one dimensional that I found myself growing sickened with them. The melodrama was so bad and so out of nowhere that I found myself beginning to hate them. The only semi-decent character in the whole half-finished storyline was Sazh, and that's because he actually responded like a human being instead of a two-bit soap opera character. The fal'Cie and l'Cie thing, I liked a whole lot. The entire mythology of the game was fantastic. It just wasn't done justice by shallow characters and shallower glimpses of the world itself.

And please. As long as you switched to the appropriate paradigm at the appropriate time, even superbosses could be fought through with items and auto-battle. Not to mention the combat was sluggish and not very fun; the break bar being a necessity to kill any enemy quickly slowed things down tremendously.

Don't get me wrong. The game wasn't awful, but it wasn't that great either. I want to see a lot of improvement if they're going to make a direct sequel.

I don't think the characters in the game were that bland or one-dimensional...I think the major problem was how slowly paced the story was. It would have turned out a lot better if they had more interesting confrontations with the villains too. I was all excited to fight Jihl, but you see her like twice and she ends up being a nobody, and the pope? what a lame ass dude. Cid could have been cool if he....did more....and had an eidolon that you fought too or something...but no, it was all about the main cast and their feelings, blah blah blah. cry me a river.

as for FFXIII-2, until they release Agito and VersusXIII, I don't wanna hear about it!!

[Mike]

True masters of the game learned the menu of individual classes well enough to be able to manual select actions quickly and efficiently.

Just saying.

That's why it took you so long to finish the game, amirite?

[Ethan]

That's why it took you so long to finish the game, amirite?

You already know why, I simply didn't have access to my PS3 for a long time and finishing it off didn't see like that strong of a priority.

[mokaloka]

The characters in FFXIII were so bland and one dimensional :blink: Wow I never thought I could dissagree with someone so much.

[Death Penalty]

It would have turned out a lot better if they had more interesting confrontations with the villains too. I was all excited to fight Jihl, but you see her like twice and she ends up being a nobody, and the pope? what a lame ass dude. Cid could have been cool if he....did more....and had an eidolon that you fought too or something...but no, it was all about the main cast and their feelings, blah blah blah. cry me a river.

Yes! This is totally one of my core problems with the storyline. They really played up Jihl as this horrid bitch villain, and then just... never did anything with her. Calculating cruelty with a dash of psychosis looked like it was going to make her pretty memorable. Cid as well. I think we were supposed to feel sorry for him? But there just wasn't enough substance there for me to empathize with him, and the fight against him was meh. Like you said, he didn't even get an Eidolon when he fought us.

But I do have to maintain that I found most of the characters pretty one-dimensional. Bland was perhaps the wrong word; they weren't boring, on second thought, just tragically melodramatic. And as with Cid, I felt their motives and emotions just didn't have enough meat for them to be well-formed and likeable. Hope's hatred of Snow and subsequent coming to terms with it is especially offensive to me in this respect.

And of course, this is all just my meandering opinion.

[Mike]

:blink: Wow I never thought I could dissagree with someone so much.

How can you disagree with the truth? :aldo:

[Glacies]

^One word; Denial.

[Falsate]

The characters weren't absurdly maudlin from my experience, but it was difficult establishing any sense of immediacy with the majority of the cast.

[gongfuren]

^Ya'll realize that this thread is not for reviewing FFXIII, right?

Anyway, I think that Square Enix Holdings Co., Ltd. really should not be making a XIII-2 and instead concentrate resources on other promised and delayed games.

That said, I guess it would be cool to have a sequel, but although I enjoyed the first one, the story seemed complete and I really don't know how they can expand on it. The only thing I can think of is to maybe introduce yet another bloody Fal'cie who wants to wipe out humanity and bring back God and blah, blah, blah...

[Mike]

^Ya'll realize that this thread is not for reviewing FFXIII, right?

You do realize this is mainly about ways in which FFXIII-2 could be improved by looking at what was wrong with XIII, right?

[Meowster]

I am excited to see more Gran Pulse; the place is loaded with so much potential. The lore of XIII was very intriguing and I would love to learn more about it. I actually think XIII had a very good story (at least in the datalog) but a terrible execution. Wonder which way the direction will go?

[Agent Dunham]

^Ya'll realize that this thread is not for reviewing FFXIII, right?


Ooh, someone's angry about people hating a game they like.

[Falsate]

I am excited to see more Gran Pulse; the place is loaded with so much potential. The lore of XIII was very intriguing and I would love to learn more about it. I actually think XIII had a very good story (at least in the datalog) but a terrible execution. Wonder which way the direction will go?
Along with the art direction and interface, Gran Pulse and its fal'Cie were the prime of XIII. The underlying mythos was enticing and I enjoyed every minute of Gran Pulse. The execution was a little poor with the datalog serving as a core part of the game's exposition.

To reiterate, I'm really interested in all the events preceding the War of Transgression and the roles of the higher beings.

[Squirrel Emperor]

Actually you chose to let the game play for you. It gives you the option to either select your own attacks or let the it choose for you.

You know...

When people say "the game plays for you". They may not realize it themselves but it's not just exclusive to the battle system but how the whole entire game was set up as a whole that has people feeling that.

Look at linearity. It's not so much linearity by itself that is the problem but many other elements of the game that help make linearity stand out like a sore thumb.

Things like the game being devoid of content, endless fighting with no breaks to do something else and the fact that some environments, such as the Gapra Whitewood, were a copy and paste job that just went on forever and ever and ever, are just a couple of examples that help linearity stand out more and become much more of a issue.

What Final Fantasy XIII failed miserably in was to disguise its structure. When it comes to things like linearity for example, the player should be unaware of it and should really be immersed in the world/atmosphere of the game. Past Final Fantasy games were linear as well, but it has gone unnoticed or it's not a big deal at all because everything was working together and disguised properly.

Basically... FFXIII shoves it in your face.

As for the story itself... I don't even want to think about because it's that god awful. A interesting concept butchered by two guys who clearly have no skill and talent in writing a good story.

XIII-2 will probably be a quick and cheap cash-in too.

I am excited to see more Gran Pulse; the place is loaded with so much potential. The lore of XIII was very intriguing and I would love to learn more about it. I actually think XIII had a very good story (at least in the datalog) but a terrible execution. Wonder which way the direction will go?

All Final Fantasy games have potential for a great sequel, prequel, spin-off or whatever.

The problem is that Square-Enix doesn't know what the hell they are doing when creating them. Their efforts for IV, VII, X and XII were not that great.

[Agustazz]

If you don't mind, I'll go commit suicide...
*bang*















Not really. :cookie:
I like the idea of using your saved data from FFXIII. That would be something...

[Chat Noir]

I like the idea of using your saved data from FFXIII.

That would be really cool, considering I maxed out all of my characters in the first game.

Oh wait. They're not l'cie anymore. :ohmy: So I guess the abilities would be removed.
But I guess if the weapons, items, and accessories can be transferred, then it's all gewd.

[Thula]

Past Final Fantasy games were linear as well, but it has gone unnoticed or it's not a big deal at all because everything was working together and disguised properly.Or rather, people were accepting everything that was there because hating FF wasn't cool yet.
Nobody was nitpicking say, the exercise in tedium that is the sequence where you meet Aerith and go rescue Tifa fetching things for your dress etc.



I'm not trying to defend XIII linearity, as it may seem, just every flaw that went unnoticed/uncommented in past FF now is suddenly ZOMG AWFUL for XIII which makes me believe people are trying hard to make the game sound more sucky than it actually is for unknown reason.


As for the characters, I don't really see how they're one dimensional, except Snow (of course).
I'd really like the people who think they are, to explain why.

[Death Penalty]

Or rather, people were accepting everything that was there because hating FF wasn't cool yet.
Nobody was nitpicking say, the exercise in tedium that is the sequence where you meet Aerith and go rescue Tifa fetching things for your dress etc.



I'm not trying to defend XIII linearity, as it may seem, just every flaw that went unnoticed/uncommented in past FF now is suddenly ZOMG AWFUL for XIII which makes me believe people are trying hard to make the game sound more sucky than it actually is for unknown reason.


As for the characters, I don't really see how they're one dimensional, except Snow (of course).
I'd really like the people who think they are, to explain why.

Like ragging on VII isn't the hippest thing to do these days. A game I still love, by the way. This isn't about any sort of posturing to be cool; this is about a game I honestly find to be subpar. Every Final Fantasy game has had ample flaws, obviously. XIII's were just more offensive to me than any of the others so far. I truly believe that it just wasn't up to par with the rest of the series. I hated XII and yet will be the first to admit that it is an undeniably masterfully crafted effort.

Honestly, I don't even care about the linearity. X was linear as hell- I think you could literally walk across most of the corridor of a world- and was also one of my favorites. I do think Squirrel Emperor is correct, though. All this linearity combined with the other restrictive aspects of the game made the entire thing chafing.

And if you find Snow one-dimensional, how can you not find characters like Lightning and Fang one-dimensional? Lightning is basically just a cold comment in any given situation, the most stereotypical of the stereotypical 'cool' characters. That is, until the story requires her to be sentimental, and just pulls it from nowhere and executes it awkwardly. Fang is a less angsty attempt at the cool character, though unlike Lightning she never even tries to break that mold. In retrospect, that's probably a good thing. Vanille had her 'dark secret' and besides that she was the 'cute' character. Cute and annoying are apparently interchangeable in Japan. Hope I suppose had his major change of attitude through the story, but his reactions and hate of Snow were melodramatic and unbelievable. And really, he just switched from a flat angsty character to a flat hopeful character. Sazh, as I've said, was fine. He actually felt like something close to a human being. And I think we both agree that there was almost nothing to Snow.

Again, just my meandering opinion, and only because I was prompted for it.

[Project-Soldier]

It will definitely be interesting to see if this actually happens... The only thing is, if I'm dissapointed with FFXIII-2, I'll be very upset. >_>


Sazh, as I've said, was fine. He actually felt like something close to a human being. And I think we both agree that there was almost nothing to Snow.



This made my morning.

[Kurai Warrior]

Bottom line is, if they can fix all the shit wrong with XIII, I wouldn't mind this. But I doubt they will so this is probably just gonna be another pointless project from Square-Enix.

[Tiger Lily]

Cute and annoying are apparently interchangeable in Japan.

I lul'ed so hard at that true statement.

But yeah, most of the characters were as dull as dish water. Which is why I don't want to see them again in another poorly executed sequel.

[Toreadore]

I would definately look forward to this. It would be chance for Square to redeem themselves. They wont have to spend so much developing new game engine and all that, rather than put all the production effort into making "good" game.
It sort of reminds me of Assassins Creed. The first one in series was very repetitive and rather boring but Ubisoft did learn its lesson and took all the feedback to make better game. If Square is planning on making sequel then hopefully they would do that too.

[Squirrel Emperor]

Or rather, people were accepting everything that was there because hating FF wasn't cool yet.
Nobody was nitpicking say, the exercise in tedium that is the sequence where you meet Aerith and go rescue Tifa fetching things for your dress etc.

I'm not trying to defend XIII linearity, as it may seem, just every flaw that went unnoticed/uncommented in past FF now is suddenly ZOMG AWFUL for XIII which makes me believe people are trying hard to make the game sound more sucky than it actually is for unknown reason.

I don't think it has anything to do with "hating FF wasn't cool yet."

But more of the fact that standards and expectations have changed throughout the years. Part of this being due to what the latest in technology allows developers to accomplish and put into their games. Things that were not possible in the past are now possible and developers take advantage of it. Final Fantasy X worked for its time. Giving us something exactly like Final Fantasy X right now would be heavily criticized for being behind with the times, which is pretty loud and clear with some of the complaints people have with FFXIII.

But due to the different set-ups and how everything is more in your face and not disguised well, it's pretty much the reason why you don't see many people bringing up FFX (or past FF games in general) at all when they complain about FFXIII's linearity. It's not linearity by itself that's the problem but other elements that help contribute to that problem, making linearity more of a issue.

Linearity, loads of fighting that gets repetitive, environments that are empty and lifeless and go on for far too long, the fact that the game is pretty much devoid of content... These are just some things that aren't disguised well and players have taken noticed, filing them as complaints. That's not to say that these are necessarily bad things either. I mean... Yes, we do a lot of fighting in Final Fantasy games. I'm aware of that. Just that it's not disguised well. I got very board with FFXIII(Something I've never experienced before in past FF games) because it got very repetitive and that's because of the overall set up of the game. And it's not just the fact that all we do in this game is fight from start to finish and post game non-stop either. It's part of it, but other elements that were were done poorly have helped make me feel that way.

One thing that is done right or poorly can easily effect another thing that is done right or poorly. They all work together here and to me, that's the art of game design. Figuring out how to disguise a structure and getting it to work well with everything else so that it goes unnoticed. Because really... Players shouldn't have to sit there and think about things like linearity and repetition and file it as one of the reasons why their overall experience wasn't a good one.

Now throw in competition. For some people, this competition is doing things better then what Square-Enix is doing nowadays with Final Fantasy. What they get from the overall experience, destroys the experience that they get with Final Fantasy for a variety of reasons. The competition also changes a person's standards and expectations as well. A change in perspective.

I don't really buy the "hating FF wasn't cool yet" argument I hear gets tossed around one bit. To me, that sounds like a argument that has a much more deeper meaning behind it that hasn't been broken into and dissected yet.

[Cake]

Omg, I hope they really do come out with it. I would love to find out what happens after the events in XIII.

[Ethan]

Or rather, people were accepting everything that was there because hating FF wasn't cool yet.

I love you.

[Ayane]

I'm all for it, in fact i'll be happy as hell but if its really gonna happen i hope they will change some things

+include towns - no, really....just one town and a few crappy villages will do it too. I dont care if the game is linear, but because in XIII there was no place you could stop for a while, restock, explore around, talk with people and then move on, the whole game until Pulse felt like a really really long tutorial.
+include NPC's and sidequests - the lack of contact with other people in game world made it feel kinda empty
+do something with those shitty dialogues - or maybe it was just fault of translation team, i don't know, but because i played it on Xbox i could only play English version and for me every line they spit felt like ultimate climax of some angsty shonen title. I've read some of those novels that they also released (not all though) and they were way better. Maybe the person that writes them should take over, i dunno...
+kill Snow

It sort of reminds me of Assassins Creed. The first one in series was very repetitive and rather boring but Ubisoft did learn its lesson and took all the feedback to make better game.

true that. I kinda feel the same. FFXIII felt like a base game that was supposed to set up things for something better...even if they didn't mean it

I don't think it has anything to do with "hating FF wasn't cool yet."

oh yes it does. Look at any news or community portal. Now the trend is "Every Final Fantasy after 6/after psx era has been shit"
I'm kinda sick of it too...

[Hoax2010]

If they have time to make ffxiii-2 they have time to remake vii and I'm positive that 90% of sane ppl want that more

[Death Penalty]

oh yes it does. Look at any news or community portal. Now the trend is "Every Final Fantasy after 6/after psx era has been shit"
I'm kinda sick of it too...

Yes, obviously the idea of the game being anything but superb to anyone is ridiculous. Anyone claiming it to be less than awesome must just be a posturing tool trying to do the popular thing.

[Hitoshura]

They can't make it any worse, so yea, go ahead Square...

[Ayane]

Yes, obviously the idea of the game being anything but superb to anyone is ridiculous. Anyone claiming it to be less than awesome must just be a posturing tool trying to do the popular thing.

yes, if you had observed how the level of bitching was gradually increasing over past two years its kinda visible people started to shittalk Final Fantasies, jrpg's and japanese gaming in general a lot lot more just recently
also, of course people are tools trying to do the popular thing. Where did you get the idea that they aren't?
On the other hand for example you could stop implying that Im whiteknighting fanbot because I'm really not. I just can see the lines.

If they have time to make ffxiii-2 they have time to remake vii and I'm positive that 90% of sane ppl want that more

I'm fairly sure I'm sane and i don't give a damn about this game

[Death Penalty]

yes, if you had observed how the level of bitching was gradually increasing over past two years its kinda visible people started to shittalk Final Fantasies, jrpg's and japanese gaming in general a lot lot more just recently
also, of course people are tools trying to do the popular thing. Where did you get the idea that they aren't?
On the other hand for example you could stop implying that Im whiteknighting fanbot because I'm really not. I just can see the lines.



I'm fairly sure I'm sane and i don't give a damn about this game

And yet you've ignored all the lines of love that this game is getting to further your point, and continue to imply that those who thought FFXIII was much less than it ought to have been are simply following some kind of trend. I've loved almost every single Final Fantasy, and continue to love them wholeheartedly. JRPGs are my favorite gaming genre. I even love Kingdom Hearts, so you know I've got a hell of a tolerance for smarmy bullshit. No one wanted to love XIII more than me, and yet it fell short.

If Final Fantasy gets any more flak than another series, it's simply because of how huge and popular it is. Yeah, you're gonna have trolls. Does that mean that you're not gonna have people who honestly disliked the game? Does that mean that a Final Fantasy title is incapable of being a bad game? Hell no.

My point remains that from where I stood, Final Fantasy XIII was lacking, and I'd like to see a hell of a lot of improvement if they're going to invest in a sequel, because really I'd more like to see them move on to Final Fantasy XV with a fresh set of story writers. But Square is a business, and numbers don't lie. XIII netted them more money than any Final Fantasy title yet; I'm sure their main goal is cashing in on that.

[Ayane]

And yet you've ignored all the lines of love that this game is getting to further your point, and continue to imply that those who thought FFXIII was much less than it ought to have been are simply following some kind of trend

lolno. But the people that say it should have been better aren't the same that say mindlessly "shit", "crap" "abomination" all the time or those who whines whenever they see SE logo or the word "jrpg"
and in my previous post ive listed some flaws myself so that should exclude me from people seeing only awesome in this series, you know..
(hell, i didn't even play more than 5 titles of this whole franchise yet)

[Death Penalty]

Shake hands and be friends?

[Project-Soldier]

If they have time to make ffxiii-2 they have time to remake vii and I'm positive that 90% of sane ppl want that more
Then I must be crazy because I don't think FFVII should be re-made. I'm just fine with cubic people thank-you-very-much. (:

Shake hands and be friends?
Let's hope.


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Now, after the "arguement" of miss-reading, may this go back on topic?

[Agent Dunham]

If they have time to make ffxiii-2 they have time to remake vii and I'm positive that 90% of sane ppl want that more

Final Fantasy X worked for its time. Giving us something exactly like Final Fantasy X right now would be heavily criticized for being behind with the times

Same thing applies to FFVII as what Squirrel Emperor said with regards to FFX-like things in FFXIII. You will never get your faithful remake. It won't work. If you think it will because you can go back and play the original without issues, then you haven't realised that you are secretly justifying it to yourself the same way you do the graphics: "It was good for its time."





When you support something you love, sometimes it will get a tattoo or a piercing in its face and you feel crushing disappointment that it would tarnish its beauty in such a way... You still love it and you want to see it learn the error of its ways and get back on the right track. You have seen it hit rock bottom and wish to witness its return to grace.

I still love you, Parasite Eve. I could never abandon you. Give Mummy a hug.

[Project-Soldier]

When you support something you love, sometimes it will get a tattoo or a piercing in its face and you feel crushing disappointment that it would tarnish its beauty in such a way... You still love it and you want to see it learn the error of its ways and get back on the right track. You have seen it hit rock bottom and wish to witness its return to grace.


Lovely passage Agent Dunham... (:

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I love FFXIII... Personally, as said before, I think it should stay the way it is... With no sequal. As AD said above, I don't want FFX and X-2 happening again. Though I don't hate those games, I think sequals in a lot of things shouldn't have been made. Not for everything, but most in my opinion. (Especially movies, and RPGs)

[Ramenzilla]

And yet you've ignored all the lines of love that this game is getting to further your point, and continue to imply that those who thought FFXIII was much less than it ought to have been are simply following some kind of trend. I've loved almost every single Final Fantasy, and continue to love them wholeheartedly. JRPGs are my favorite gaming genre. I even love Kingdom Hearts, so you know I've got a hell of a tolerance for smarmy bullshit. No one wanted to love XIII more than me, and yet it fell short.

If Final Fantasy gets any more flak than another series, it's simply because of how huge and popular it is. Yeah, you're gonna have trolls. Does that mean that you're not gonna have people who honestly disliked the game? Does that mean that a Final Fantasy title is incapable of being a bad game? Hell no.

My point remains that from where I stood, Final Fantasy XIII was lacking, and I'd like to see a hell of a lot of improvement if they're going to invest in a sequel, because really I'd more like to see them move on to Final Fantasy XV with a fresh set of story writers. But Square is a business, and numbers don't lie. XIII netted them more money than any Final Fantasy title yet; I'm sure their main goal is cashing in on that.

I generally feel the same way, I wanted to love XIII so much, but it felt like it just missed the mark completely. I enjoyed aspects of it, but all together a lot of it was just annoying. I honestly didn't mind the lack of towns *shopping at save points is convenient* what's NOT convenient is the money system, and the upgrading/dismantling system. It's all together just bad and not fun.

"The game plays itself" argument I don't agree with entirely. Sure, you may not choose each individual attack, but the battle system is more about micromanaging battle tactics to win fights....which I thought was interesting *it wasn't perfect by any means* but I prefer a faster paced, action oriented battle system to an outdated "turn based" one. I love pokemon and all, but that "input commands and then wait for them all to be executed" gets on my nerves very quickly.

as far as characters go, they connected on some levels and totally missed the mark on others. My favorite game as far as characters goes is FFX and I know a lot of people hate them, but I thought they did a great job with the character development in that game and I genuinely cared about them all, what I didn't care about was Serah or any of that bullshit...or any of the villains *which was unfortunate because I love to love villains*

I think they tried really hard to make a great game, and they did visually, but a lot of things about it are awkward....like you can never revisit an old level? LAME! and when you beat the game and can finally roam free, you're stuck on pulse *which is big* or Eden *which is pretty*, but still, lame.

I find myself having more fun doing the hunt missions than I did actually playing through the story.

and lastly, I think it would have been better if they included the episode zero flashback things in the game...rather than in the novel thing, it just made certain characters appear in the game even less and make you care about them even less. (like Jihl, wtf, she doesn't do anything. LAME!!)


Lastly I'm going to add that I never played western RPG's until Mass Effect and I am completely in love with that series and think it's leagues better than XIII *especially ME2*, sorreh. (although it's hard to compare western to eastern RPGs since they're usually very different...but at least the characters in ME2 are interesting and not overdone, shitty archetypes)

[Soraeon]

oh god i hope they will execute hope and make vanille the mane char

[Chat Noir]

oh god i hope they will execute hope and make vanille the mane char

Wait what? :V

[Ptm!]

short teaser trailer

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r214/heros_bucket/FFXIII-2.jpg
YouTube - PS3/360 ????????????XIII-2? PV

[Ethan]

short teaser trailer

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r214/heros_bucket/FFXIII-2.jpg
YouTube - PS3/360 ????????????XIII-2? PV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObiaNbDtF3Y)

You think you're the first? :P

[Ptm!]

You think you're the first? :P
havent said anything about being first just thought i'd post the clip thats all:)

[Sadie808]

So she became a knight? :)
ope "she must not be forgotten"
I can't wait to see more news about the game