Xbox 360 (Jumped?)

[ozonez]

Has the Xbox 360 now "Jumped the shark?" (When something reaches the top of its potential...then everyone realises from then on its just shit)

As seeing as one of the only "big games" to hit the xbox was Gears of War...which wasn't that good anyway. Most of the games that are in the "top ten" are ujust graphical enhancements of the game which was released on the console before (Final Night Round 3, Project Gotham Racing)

Its true that some of the games that will make the PS3 great are coming to the Xbox as well (GTAIV etc...) but why get a HD version of a game when Blu-Ray is ten times better?

What annoys me is that when the PS3 was released "PS haters" instantly jumped on the "it sucks" band-wagon, saying the graphics were the same as the xbox 360 so you might as well get that as seeing as its cheaper. If they look at their own words, they are "dissing" the very console they are trying to protect. Their saying the PS3 first-games (Which always suck and come from companies who output games for just money instead of companies who love their games and the money it makes them) graphics are equal to the current Xbox games. Games that are released late released by companies who put more effort in are going to pwn the xbox graphics.

Also all over the "WORLD-WIDE INTERNET!!!"N" people seem to think the "wii" is getting repetitive so meh. Opinions?

[S-r-ex]

I totally agree. 360 has Geow, Halo 3, Forza 2 and PGR4 and Crackdown. PS3 has Motorstorm, Resistance, and the coming FFXIII, FFvXIII, Tekken 6, Ratchet & Clank Future, Eye of Judgement, Folklore (new rename of monster kingdom), Heavenly Sword, Lair, Little Big Planet, Warhawk, White knight Story, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, I mean, look at this list! Assassins Creed was sadly un-exclusived when some lowdown retard also wanted it on the 360, ditto with DMC4.

and wii's got the Mario and Zelda franchises, end of story.

[ozonez]

Everyone will get Assassins Creed for the PC. The graphics will be a lot better on the computer. Plus the fact that PS3 owners can get Halo 3 for PC when its released along with GOW. The PS3 line-up is so much better and the graphics will be 100x better when their released.

[Neal]

Hmmm. Im not a fan of the X360 but I think its got a little while left in it. Games like Halo 3 are going to boost sales like hell and Lost Odyssey will probably appeal to Japanese gamers and might boost the sales up there a little more but it is in no means competition against Final Fantasy XIII and Versus. Silly Sakaguchi. :P


What annoys me is that when the PS3 was released "PS haters" instantly jumped on the "it sucks" band-wagon, saying the graphics were the same as the xbox 360 so you might as well get that as seeing as its cheaper.

Yeah that annoys me too. 360 is dragging PS3 potential down, making it look bad. Im glad devs like Rockstar are starting to realise that. I think that Uncharted: Drake's Fortune is one of the best graphics ive seen on a console, if not the best and isnt comparable to anything on the 360 at the moment. Halo 3 graphics look like Halo 2. Not impressed. ;P

[Nero Seraph]

I totally agree. 360 has Geow, Halo 3, Forza 2 and PGR4 and Crackdown. PS3 has Motorstorm, Resistance, and the coming FFXIII, FFvXIII, Tekken 6, Ratchet & Clank Future, Eye of Judgement, Folklore (new rename of monster kingdom), Heavenly Sword, Lair, Little Big Planet, Warhawk, White knight Story, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, I mean, look at this list! Assassins Creed was sadly un-exclusived when some lowdown retard also wanted it on the 360, ditto with DMC4.

and wii's got the Mario and Zelda franchises, end of story.

i think you miss Metal gear solid 4 out

[Desi]

Everyone will get Assassins Creed for the PC.No they won't. A lot of console gamers don't have great PC's and don't even play PC games. I mean ask how many played Half-Life 2. The graphics will be a lot better on the computer. Plus the fact that PS3 owners can get Halo 3 for PC when its released along with GOW(Gears or God of War, Gears of War is called Gears not GoW).Yes they can in 4 years or so but most people don't want to wait. If everyone wanted to wait they wouldn't buy new released games but wait till price drops. The PS3 line-up is so much better and the graphics will be 100x better when their released.
you're more of a fanboy then I am. Now I hate PS bashing like the rest of you but saying any console is shit or doesn't have shit at this time is a lie. I am looking forward to Eternal Sonata, Mass Effect, and Lost Odyssey on 360 on the RPG front and they all come out this year. Can't say the same for my PS3 other then Folklore and maybe a Eternal Sonata port.

[Flint]

I don't think the 360 has 'jumped the shark', it's more a case of the PS3 finally beginning to show what it can really do and how it now has a line up of future releases that can compete with the other machines.

I don't hate the 360, I'm just not really interested in it or the majority of its games - pretty much everything I want is coming out on PS3 - mostly the same big releases that others have already listed in this thread.

[Kitmitsu]

I wouldn't say the 360 has out lived itself at all :P The PS2 started getting pretty boring after the release of Resident Evil 4 I think but only because there wasn't the wow factor of graphics anymore. I just moved onto waiting for the PS3.

The 360 doesn't have any games that really appeal to me but it'll always stay popular. I think a PS3 and my PC is all I need and if I do want to play any major 360 games they'll almost certainly come out on PC and like you ozonez I want Assasins Creed for the PC.

[S-r-ex]

i think you miss Metal gear solid 4 out

Whoopsie! Sorry, all my bad :P

But about Assassins Creed, Ubisoft will have to heavily scale down and compress the 360 version or release it on multiple disks (one disk for each town :lol:). this also counts for all ported/multiplatform games, the Blu-ray offer 50 gigs of storage, while DVD-9 (dual layer) offer slightly over 9 gigs. If M$ was so smart that they did support HDDVD on games (which they weren't), developers wouldn't have to use time to solve this problem. If we look at GeoW, we see that the games is pressing the limit of a DVD-9. while PAL Resistance has plenty of space left on the single layer BD, about 7 gigs, actually. the disk is 25 gigs, the game is 18. I don't even see why Ubi would even develop for 360 because of this, burning one BD is far cheaper that burning five DVD's for a single game. Unless they make it so you install most of the data on the 360 HDD, filling it up in no time :rolleyes: but I AC think this is one of the titles that M$ bought away the exclusive mark on, only proving that they are trying to monopolize not only the computer market. but the console market too, by releasing a thingie that can grow the processor so hot during a breakdown it can fry eggs on the cooling ribs, proof on youtube!

[Xion]

wow..., Bioshock, Mass Effect, Too Human, Forza 2, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Cry On, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Eternal Sonata, Dead or Alive 5, Alan Wake, Ninja Gaiden 2, Fable 2, Infinite Undiscovery, PGR4, Splinter Cell Conviction ect.. all these games coming out for the 360 , none of those mentioned coming out anywhere else besides maybe PC, and you are allready talking about has the 360 outlived itself? you must not like the xbox 360....

and hey while were at it why not mention some multi-platform games coming like Devil May Cry 4, Ace Combat 6, Assasins Creed, Virtua Fighter 5, The Last Remnant, Call of Duty 4, ect ect ect, plus not to mention the unnanounced but inevitable future games like Gears of War 2, Blue Dragon 2 and the continuation of the Mass Effect and Too Human trilogies..so no, the 360 has not reached its maximum, not by a long shot, reguardless of having any sort of appeal to you or not

[Desi]

On the talk of Too Human, god the animations are horrible. And the women look ugly because Freya is supposed to be beautiful and she isn't and then and then and then. But Thor looks great and more backpack robots are a welcomed addition.

Yes Xion, I was waiting for you to get in this thread. The first post was very one-sided.

[Aquaman]

I think that the 360 has not gone under yet because its main fanbase is for shooters and no mater how many WWII games or some other war you can think of, come out, people will buy them and play them when really it is just the same material just regurgitated with new graphics and a new gun or grenade.......and soon the sci-fi genre will be the same way, Halo started it, Halo will end it.

GOW.....don't really know why it is praised so much. I think 360 fans just liked it because it will sustain them until Halo 3 comes out, then Halo will be better, then GOW 2 and the cycle will repeat with all its other shooters. The only way to tell which is best is to release Halo 3 and GOW 2 at the same time which will never happen......

All of this is why Microsoft will never die. Sony on the other hand along with Nintendo, try to come up with original games with non-regurgitated material and that takes time, loyal PS3 fans were willing to wait and still are. Sony will most likely never be on top mainly because of the sheer volume of the 360's releases compared to its right now.

I think that sums it up.^_^

[Xion]

what a :crazy: statement.. last i checked many of the AAA titles coming to the 360 are atleast new IP's..yes there are many shooters, but there are plenty games for other genre's, not to mention quite a dose of RPG's. If you have a preference, stick with it, dont trash other people's preference. were not fanboys here :rolleyes:

[Aquaman]

I did not mean to bash people who like shooters, I am just trying to say that the 360 's biggest fanbase is that of FPS fans. And you know that they will never stop releasing WWII games.

I do think that the 360's RPG's that they come out with are great though. Oblivion and Fable 2 and hopefully KOTOR 3, are awesome.:D I still just think that it's biggest selling point is FPS's.

And answer me this, do you think GOW is great and a Halo killer?:blink:

[Hitoshura]

I don't like how all these PS3 exclusives are going to the 360. >.<

[Aquaman]

Neither do I, I can understand DMC4, but AC should have stayed PS3 because then it should look better because of wonderful Blu-Ray.

Do you know if they are going to make the 360 elite with a HD drive?:blink:

[Hitoshura]

Even though the PS3 exclusives are going to the 360, the PS3 version should be a whole lot better since it has more capabilities right?

And about DMC4, why release it on the 360 when the Xbox fans dont know anything about the story or whatever ?

[Aquaman]

In theory yes, but if the company who makes the game, Ubisoft, does not take the time to improve the graphics or downgrade them for a system, then all the versions will look the same.

Because the 360 does not have Blu-Ray or HD, most of the data for its version might be stored on the hard drive but my guess is that they will make the game so that it pushes the 360 to its limit and then make the other forms for PS3 & PC look like that. But then again you will not know until it comes out.:(

And they released DMC4 for the 360 most likely because they thought that at the time not enough PS3's would be sold to make a good profit.

[Desi]

I did not mean to bash people who like shooters, I am just trying to say that the 360 's biggest fanbase is that of FPS fans. And you know that they will never stop releasing WWII games.
This is where you fall apart. WWII games are PC not console. Hour of Victory, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, and Brothers in Arms are all multi-platform, maybe not hour of victory. Now counting the PC genre of WWII set games you could had a point with the tons of games they get. You are grasping for straws here.

And answer me this, do you think GOW is great and a Halo killer?:blink:Does it better then almost any shooter Sony had bar resistance. Halo 2 blew and its major kick was the online play. Halo one is still a much better game. Gears (not GOW) is better then Halo 2.

[Xion]

stop with the PS3 must games must be better cuz of blu ray and HD standard..that has nothing to do with graphics, its just storage. it doesnt determine how good the visuals can be in a game, it just determines the space available for it... if a 360 game needs more space than what is avaiable in one disc, then you put the game on more than one.. GOW is the best looking console game, and it is on one disc,... dont give me all this and that about it, its fact. so far the only 360 game with more than 1 disc is Blue Dragon thanks to its use of hours of pre rendered cinemas.

Devil may Cry will look the same on both sytems, and Ace Combat looks amazing, the 360 is cannon for that game. it has been said that porting from PS3 to 360 is easier than the opposite, and i beleive that has been atleast partially proven true thanks to all of the crappy 360 ports PS3 has gotten. In my opinion, DMC4 will be the deciding factor, if it looks identical (that being framerate and textures) on both sytems, because that game is made with the PS3 in mind first and foremost.

its been said many times an we all know it. The PS3's advantage is its storage capabilites, not being able to push polygons, framerate, or textures. Both Sytems have their good and bad.

my intention here is not to be a fanboy, clearly im not, im just saying there is no point in discussing if this sytem is better, or if this game cannot be ported, or will or not blah blah blah. what is, is and let it be. simple

[Aquaman]

my intention here is not to be a fanboy, clearly im not, im just saying there is no point in discussing if this sytem is better, or if this game cannot be ported, or will or not blah blah blah. what is, is and let it be. simple

Ok, we will then.

(Damn the Character Limit.......)

[S-r-ex]

stop with the PS3 must games must be better cuz of blu ray and HD standard..that has nothing to do with graphics, its just storage. it doesnt determine how good the visuals can be in a game, it just determines the space available for it... if a 360 game needs more space than what is avaiable in one disc, then you put the game on more than one.. GOW is the best looking console game, and it is on one disc,... dont give me all this and that about it, its fact. so far the only 360 game with more than 1 disc is Blue Dragon thanks to its use of hours of pre rendered cinemas.

Uhm...the stronger visuals, the more space u need. FFVIII and FFIX where great looking games, so great loking and so long they had to be put on four CD's. Insomniac Games had almost difficulties cramming their R&C-titles into a single DVD, and they where some of the best looking for PS2. And Motorstorm fills far more gigs than a DVD can ever hope to hold with prototypes as an exception. Higher poly models requires more space, streaming textures which is the biggest hit right now requires very much capacity (Geow has it, R&CF will have it), high-res textues in addition requires even more, HD videos require a bit more space than you seem to think, and to have a long game, you need many models, high-poly on 7th gen, HD videos, hgh-res textures, and all this requires enourmous space. All this pile up is quite a LOT of gigs. BD's offers 50 of these gigs to store all this, whereas DVD9 gives a mere 8.5GB.

Take this: Resistance NTSC:US required 22GB, and PAL 18. None of these versions would ever fit into todays consumer DVD's. The effect from M$'s decision of not having HDDVD's will effect in multi-disc games in near future, or heavvily downgraded graphics if it where to be on a single disc. And multi-disc games are more expensive to produce, resulting in more expensive games for the consumers. As I have said o this forum before, burning a single 50GB BD disc is way cheaper than six 8.5GB DVD's....

[Xion]

guess why the FF games needed 4 disc? "nearly an hour of pre-rendered CG Cinemas"..., remove any pre rendered cutscenes from a game and that will decrease the size by ALOT..(doa3 goes from 5 or 6 gb to a mere 2gb without the cinemas) like i said, the space available determines how BIG the game can be, not how good it can look at any given moment. yes with more space you can create a bigger game, but it will look just as good as the smaller one..so its besides the point..again, need more space, use more discs. simple enough.. i dont think many games will need more than a single disc for a while on 360, and on ps3 well you dont even need to think about it, if you think about it at all :P

[Neal]

Well, it doesnt take much working out to come to the conclusion that more space allows the game to be longer. Kojima has already said that he's nearly filled up a Dual layer Blu Ray disc, but not because of CG (which MGS doesnt use) but dialogue. Its also easy to figure out that the hardware responsable for the graphics, not the disc. The Blu ray is just another advantage to devs. Like Xion said, if you need a bigger game, use two discs.. but if games get so long like MGS4 and fill up a 50GB Blu Ray then if MGS4 comes to 360 (Which it wont, but thats for another rant xd) that picture of the DVD box set might be more than a joke xD

Resistance also doesnt have CG and that used like 13GB or something I read. I can't really back this up since I read it ages ago... but other companies like Rockstar have said that its hard to make GTV IV for 360 and PS3 because its 100% guaranteed that every PS3 will have HDD to use the install function and obviously Blu Ray.

The HDD install is such a good function. The load times in Motorstorm for example. Fucking hell. It takes so long to choose a car because it takes like 5 seconds to load each car preview. This is to do with Blu Ray I think, BUT if you use HDD like Genji Days of the Blade, it takes 3 seconds to load a whole level keeping the stunning graphics and no slow down. :P

[Xion]

if MGS4 comes to 360 i seriously doubt it would be on 7 dvds like that rediculously fanboy flavor image.. it would fit on 1 or 2 (3 and im being modest)..you know when they swing out saying oh this game is 13gb big they are talking uncompressed..you can compress games to fit on a DVD9, and if it doesnt fit.,,,,again i reiterate, switching discs is no big deal..its about as past gen as rumble aparently is. :crazy:

im sick and tired of talking about this so again, when and if this becomes an real issue, get back to me. ^_^ im too busy actually playing games to worry about if the games im waiting for will fit on a disc :crazy:

[Neal]

I dont write Blu Ray essays all day, it took 2 minutes to write. :rolleyes:

[Desi]

Whoop there it is. Xion, this thread is pointless, most posters won't agree with you and your understanding of space and time.

[S-r-ex]

Xion...good graphics takes place. To simplify my previous post: more polygons per model takes more space, higher resolution textures requires more space, streaming textures requires more space, higher quality dialogs requires more space, get the point? if you took the first disc of say FFIX, and replaced the pre-rendered backgrounds with equally good real-times, replaced the characters with 7th gen models and switched the cute midi's with 320kb/s mp3's and replaced text with spoken dialogs, this wouldn't fit into the same CD, even without the CG's. And if 360 is to last as long as PS3, DVD's are as outdated as VHS is today...

[Xion]

S-r-ex.. dont talk to me as if i didnt have a good understanding of the technology and how it needs to be utilised. I do. Stop trying to lecture me.


I dont need to sit here and Play Microsoft PR. I have games to play on this, my spare time.

[Aquaman]

Are the graphics in GOW pre-rendered? The buildings and all that stuff?