Speculations about the Guys in Armor

[Terros]

So yeah, I made this topic so we could talk more about the bad guys. I wonder why is the rest of the world so far behind Storm's city? Are the crystals really the only power source? And just what makes them what the crysrtal so much?

[Desi]

If you pick up FFV you can see the difference in power of a nation that houses a crystal to ones without.

[Terros]

Yes, but I think there may be more to it as well.

[Hitoshura]

You must be a n00b at FF if you dont know what a crystal is. D:

[Desi]

Not really. You seem to be trying to get too much out of this speculation.

The crystal is the end all be all power. It could make a third world country into a first world one. Everyone wants one but not everyone is going to get it. Versus wipes out a whole army by himself, it sure isn't all his skill and bloodline. The crystal powers him to some extreme extend. There probably be a part in the game where you don't have the crystal under your control anymore. You'll be like Raiden naked. That useless.

[Ultima Star]

The guys in armor? they want to kill him cos he's HOT!!..just kidding...but I do think they want to kill him...perhaps to get the crystals

[Terros]

Well to me that's apparent. And yes, I am fairly new the to final fantasy series, I was the last kid to get EVERYTHING, like 2 years before PS2 came out I got a PS1.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Well to me that's apparent. And yes, I am fairly new the to final fantasy series, I was the last kid to get EVERYTHING, like 2 years before PS2 came out I got a PS1.

*whistles* Daaaang, that's worse than me, but my first FF game was X, so don't worry :nod:

[CloudStrife1992]

I've played FFVII, half of X-2, and half of XII. I'm very new to the series. (FFVII was my first and I played it in September 2006) ^^

[Misschoco]

about the bad guys? from what i know they want the crystal as its powers are beneficial to the bad guys military

[Desi]

Not only military. It would help them as a society; as a nation. Just because they dress like the Sith troops from Star Wars doesn't mean that they only have one use for the crystal.

[Misschoco]

Not only military. It would help them as a society; as a nation. Just because they dress like the Sith troops from Star Wars doesn't mean that they only have one use for the crystal.

they have many other purposes for the crystal...but one specific one would be for their military power

[Desi]

If the game is trying to show the feeling of "depression" I don't think military is going to be the focus of it. Probably show how in panic and uproar the cities living in shitholes without the crystal. while having the main character look greedy because he hordes the wealth of it only for his nation.

[Terros]

If the game is trying to show the feeling of "depression" I don't think military is going to be the focus of it. Probably show how in panic and uproar the cities living in shitholes without the crystal. while having the main character look greedy because he hordes the wealth of it only for his nation. Yes that may be true, but even if the other nations aren't as advanced I don't think that should mean that they don't have some sense of order. I think it goes even deeper, but we don't have any info on these guys other than they want the crystal. Perhaps if we knew a bit more about the nature of the crystal.

[Desi]

Yeah that is true. They would also have a form of Jealously that most nations have to the top leader. But I would love to experience the Ghettos of the countries opposing our lead.

[Lifrasthir]

But I would love to experience the Ghettos of the countries opposing our lead.

What do you mean by that?

[Desi]

Where the poor people live and crime is high. That is what I mean.

[Lifrasthir]

Ah, the common side of the kingdom.

[Terros]

I think he means we wants to see how the otherside is living, mainly how the civilians are doing in the poor undeloped countries. Desi makes a good point bringing this up, if versus is to focus on darker themes then the ghettos of the world in which the story is set would be an ideal place to start out in the story. See how the people are doing. Poverty, may be behind all the violence in the first place.

[Lifrasthir]

Yeah, he did make a good point. I agree with ya Terros.

[Desi]

Being in a depression causes a outbreak of violence to find a scapegoat or a enemy. The start of World War II is an example looking at the economic trouble Germany was in having to pay back countries for a war(world war/the great war) started by a ally.

[Terros]

Exactly, so I don't think soldiers are the only thing to worry about, guerilla groups may be an issue too. And I have a feeling that there may trouble within the kingdom.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Spies and backstabbers? Ohhh, a story or violence AND betrayal...nice :lol:

[Terros]

And it ties in very well with the "dark" themes of FFvsXIII.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Plus it makes it more interesting so the game won't be just fight, fight, fight for no good reason :D

[Terros]

Exactly.

[Firewolf]

theres a guy in a white hood i hear prolly a rival or general or a enemy that turns ally

[Terros]

In FFvsXIII? Where did you hear this?

[Firewolf]

home page

[Terros]

Where on the home page I couldn't find any mention of that.

[Firewolf]

New Final Fantasy Versus XIII Trailer details
According to RPGFan, the end of the Final Fantasy Versus XIII trailer, the scene was a little more exciting than Jump Festa when the main character walked back into the dark building. Afte re-entering it he encounters a man in a "white hood" who he battle's fiercely until the trailer ends.

Sounds pretty cool, I can't wait to see it!
Discuss in the forums...
Posted on 12 May 2007 by Nero

[Terros]

Oooh! I wanna see it too, any ideas on when it'll be out?

[Firewolf]

nope prolly not for a while but i would like to see some pictures of the white hooded guy

[Terros]

We probably won't know till E3 in July, and I may not be here...man that's a bummer.

[Firewolf]

maybe they'll give us images after the square enix party

[Misschoco]

maybe they'll give us images after the square enix party

leaked footage

http://forums.finalfantasy-xiii.net/showthread.php?t=1272

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

That url doesn't work :blink:
NOOOOOOOZZZZ!!!

[Misschoco]

That url doesn't work :blink:
NOOOOOOOZZZZ!!!

check it out now...although apparently its not in closed mega theatre therefore not really being leaked

btw:somewhere in thread

http://forums.finalfantasy-xiii.net/showthread.php?p=18410#post18410

[Terros]

I'm seen it, but it didn't really show anthing new about FFvsXIII.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Tch, like always <_<
...Why don't the SE people just fly over here and eat me alive, that sounds pretty good now :'(

[Terros]

But now a new enemy has been revealed, it isn't clear whether this new enemy is male or female but there is a white hooded person with fair to white hair who fights Storm. I think it might be a boy...but I don't know. Although others seem to think it's a girl.

[Ultima Star]

Cos they say that 'he' looks like a girl.
And cos Mr.Nomura likes to design girly characters and I don't know why

[Terros]

Cause they are smexy.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I'm guessing the hooded person is male, I mean look at the chin and mouth

[Misschoco]

I'm guessing the hooded person is male, I mean look at the chin and mouth

but it was only fanart which some people can mis conceptualize.remember the guy who done that fanart kept stressing that its the 'best' he could remember from the trailer

[Ultima Star]

I think that at least...he should have tell us if the hooded one was a girl or a boy that looks like a girl....but....

[Terros]

Or it could be another boy like Kadaj....

[Ultima Star]

like Kadaj? what do you mean by that?
i didn't get it

[Misschoco]

I think that at least...he should have tell us if the hooded one was a girl or a boy that looks like a girl....but....
but even the guy who done the fanart wasn't 100% sure on the gender of this mysterious character

[Ultima Star]

Yeah that's why I said that i need SCRENSHOOTS!
Bad thing is...I'm not patient!

[Misschoco]

Yeah that's why I said that i need SCRENSHOOTS!
Bad thing is...I'm not patient!
neither am i :P

square also leaves things for a long time to get us hyped.alas they release a screenshot then the hype is all over.I still want a friggin screen shot though :nag:

[Terros]

You'll get one, when you're old and decrepit.

[Ultima Star]

...........you DO think that the game won't be released and that we won't have screenshoots this year,right?

[Terros]

I think we'll get screen shots, but not the game this year.

[Ultima Star]

Then..why did you say that we'll get screenshoots when we are old and decrepit??!!

[Terros]

I meant is as an expression that we'll be waiting a long time.

[Ultima Star]

......ok, I get it....but wait this topic was about the guys in armor right?

[Terros]

Yes, I think that white robed person may be leading them, and that they were just a distraction from the beginning.

[Ultima Star]

That's right, I agree

[Misschoco]

Yes, I think that white robed person may be leading them, and that they were just a distraction from the beginning.
thats still odd though.........as you can see in the trailer the soldiers whilst having medieval armour use modern weapons..and storm whilst haven modern clothing uses traditional weapons.If this is so then person in the white robe should be on storms side as they use traditional weapons i.e magic

made sense :blink:

[Desi]

Magic may not count as traditional magic in this world. I mean since the "crystal mythology" it is based off on, it seems pretty commonplace and can be a superior form of combat(lots of damage and area of effect spells). Now the white robes can be seen as traditional.

[Misschoco]

Magic may not count as traditional magic in this world. I mean since the "crystal mythology" it is based off on, it seems pretty commonplace and can be a superior form of combat(lots of damage and area of effect spells). Now the white robes can be seen as traditional.
thats why i find it odd that this white robed person isnt on versus side as they use traditional weapons like versus guy.still we dont know anything about their sides yet(which side they fight on) ;)

[Desi]

Um the white robe would put them on the side of the armored soldiers not the Versus guy and his modern attire.

[Misschoco]

Um the white robe would put them on the side of the armored soldiers not the Versus guy and his modern attire.
but we havent seen the full outfit yet of the white robed figure..all we've seen is a white cape/robe so without seeing the whole outfit we cant say its not modern like versus guys outfit

[Terros]

The white robed person appears right after Storm is finished with the guys outside, a little too well timed don't you think?

[Ultima Star]

Yeah, so that means the hooded guy/girl send them to kill Storm?

[Desi]

but we havent seen the full outfit yet of the white robed figure..all we've seen is a white cape/robe so without seeing the whole outfit we cant say its not modern like versus guys outfit
You took that from me saying we can't bash the new character's outfit since it isn't the full wardobe.

The Robe is a more traditional garment like a Cotehardie is. Magic isn't claimed to be a traditional weapon in this universe either. So I don't see how you claim the hooded figure to be on the side of the Versus boy. We have little to go on at all but with what little straws we have I don't see why the hooded blond would be with the Versus guy at this moment in time.

[Misschoco]

You took that from me saying we can't bash the new character's outfit since it isn't the full wardobe.
okay the robe may be traditional but i cant say what the whole outfit belongs to i.e. modern or medieval era...so really sides arent clear

The Robe is a more traditional garment like a Cotehardie is. Magic isn't claimed to be a traditional weapon in this universe either. So I don't see how you claim the hooded figure to be on the side of the Versus boy. We have little to go on at all but with what little straws we have I don't see why the hooded blond would be with the Versus guy at this moment in time.
But magic goes way back as a traditional practice. I didnt really claim the white robed person to be on versus guys side,but i said it could be a possibility with the choice of weapons and clothes explained in my earlier posts

[Terros]

It would be odd that they would fight then, I think the white robed character is connected to the armored soldiers. Think, Storm fighting them was probably just a test, more of a way for the "white cloak" to observe him.

[Desi]

okay the robe may be traditional but i cant say what the whole outfit belongs to i.e. modern or medieval era...so really sides arent clear

But magic goes way back as a traditional practice. I didnt really claim the white robed person to be on versus guys side,but i said it could be a possibility with the choice of weapons and clothes explained in my earlier posts
And you did it again. The robe is traditional and in your opinion so is magic. Doesn't that leave the robed person to not be affliated with niether group if your attire and weapon theory is to be believed. Remember the world is against him.

[Misschoco]

And you did it again. The robe is traditional and in your opinion so is magic. Doesn't that leave the robed person to not be affliated with niether group if your attire and weapon theory is to be believed. Remember the world is against him.
fine fine.it was only a theory and not something i was certain on ;)

[Terros]

Anywho I doubt the white robed person is the heroine if female, or another ally.

[Misschoco]

Anywho I doubt the white robed person is the heroine if female, or another ally.
but often white is associated with purity and cleansing..this figure was bathing the castle interior with white light and is dressed in white so far......if square is using symbolism here then you kinda know what this means :rolleyes:
but no she cant really be a heroine if shes is not heroic to good causes...or in the likely event if she already isnt allies with storm then she could switch sides thus being the heroine but since in this game 'nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it so' then really the fact of her being a 'good' heroine is contradictive

btw:eh we dont even know if this robed person is male or female ;)

[Ultima Star]

Or girly looking boy XD

[Terros]

Exactly, we don't even know the gender of the robed person, plus from the fant art, it kinda seemed like the robed person was taller than Storm, which would be odd for a female....but then we don't know Storm's height, but would Nomura really make the "heroine" taller than Storm? I really don't think the robed person is female. Just a feeling, but I could be totally wrong. Great, we have one character who doesn't have a confirmed name, and another who doesn't have a confirmed gender.

[Ultima Star]

That is true, it's never be seen that in a game a girl is taller than a guy.
It'd be weird that she was taller than Storm.
*gets to a conclussion*
It's a girly looking guy and that's it!!
*takes a cup of tea and drinks it*
yeah, a girly looking boy XD

[Terros]

That would make sense, it's common in Final Fantasy.

[Lifrasthir]

That's what I was thinkin'...the white robed figure is a trick! Square is making us use our brains.

[Terros]

Yes, the like mental torture, don't they?

[Lifrasthir]

I killed too many IQ points today to think like this! *panics*

[Ultima Star]

don't panic TF!
It's easy to get that answer.
I WANT SCREENSHOOTS!!!

[Lifrasthir]

Yes screenshots would be helpful...I want screenshots on that person in the white cloak.

[Ultima Star]

Me too....*goes and looks on the whole web*
*loading* *eats cookies while it's loading*
No screenshoots :(

[Terros]

Perhaps we're over thinking this....

[Lifrasthir]

Overthinking what?

[Terros]

Looking at the art work, Nomura went back to simplistic and basic, perhaps we are overthinking the story....

[Lifrasthir]

Yeah maybe...

[Ultima Star]

What else can we do? If we don't have that game in our hands then the only things is to keep thinking about it

[Pixel]

I think that maybe we are WAY too impatient for the game itself to come out so we speculate over everything and come out with all these cool ideas...........

Yep, we are overthinking the situation.

[Lifrasthir]

True true...that's what the forums are for. Discussing certain topics in threads and spam. :D

[Terros]

Precisely perhaps we should focus more on making educated guesses on what we know for certain, and save the "gray" areas for a later time.

[Pixel]

EXACTLY.........*says EXACTLY out loud in Caboose's stupid voice*

so, what should the first EDUCATED guess be?

[Lifrasthir]

Depends on what the educated guess is about...

[Ultima Star]

...yeah, Terros is right....
Then let's focus and what we know

[Pixel]

Obviously the guess should be about the guys in armor.......:nod:

[Terros]

Ok I'll start, the peeps that attack Storm are wearing midevil armor, yet they are using guns. Why?

[Pixel]

Maybe because the guys in armor are from another country that storms kingdom is waging war with and storms kingdom does not believe in using guns.

Think of The Last Samurai.

[Terros]

Maybe, but that would seem a bit odd....

[Pixel]

Maybe, but then again, I have no idea if bullet-proof stuff can be cut with swords or not....

[Terros]

Yeah...this is kinda unusual, the people dressed primativily used modern weapons, and the people who dress modernly use "primative" weapons.

[Pixel]

Maybe they dress like that cause they were an assassin group on an Op. and they knew storm used swords and not guns.:nod:

[Terros]

So the armor is to protect them from the swords? Didn't do them much good huh?

[Pixel]

Nope, they got destroyed.

[Terros]

Well I guess that means plan B...*cue robed person*

[Misschoco]

Ok I'll start, the peeps that attack Storm are wearing midevil armor, yet they are using guns. Why?
its because the guys in amour...their country/society only focused on developing their weapons thus having guns but on the other hand they didnt maintain a developing society...leaving them stuck in the supposed 'middle ages'

[Pixel]

So, in other words, they did not feel the need for armor because they could attack and kill from such distances with the newly developed guns and just never made any new armor?

[Desi]

No, if that was the case they wouldn't spend funds on armor period and sold it off. Look at when the Longbow became the best weapon to take out anything. Knights, horses, knights and horses at the same time. The Bowmen stopped wearing armor because there was no need for it. To save money, they even took arrows out of dead people to save those. Armor became useless even for the knights so it was sold off.

[Misschoco]

So, in other words, they did not feel the need for armor because they could attack and kill from such distances with the newly developed guns and just never made any new armor?
yh mainly what desi said :rolleyes:
the armour if you think of it was useless...particularly from preventing the versus guy from slashing,hacking and stabbing them

[Terros]

So then what would be the point of the armor, unless it's like a "cult" uniform...what a sucky uniform, that's one cult I would not join.

[Desi]

I like the uniform. It is exactly like the Sith troop uniform from Star Wars which also had shitty armor stats.

The outfit is probably supposed to be imposing. The way most old armor were made and how some high class military groups have.

[Pixel]

Does not look very imposing to me, kinda like how the glass armor in oblivion made you look like a power ranger and not a God.

[Desi]

The slits in the helmets look pretty imposing. And shotguns that shoot like machineguns are an imposing looking piece of gear.

[Terros]

But the armor itself seems pretty useless. It looks like it makes it harder to move around and fight, you might be better off without it.

[Desi]

looking at the joints, it seems pretty fine and not to affect your mobility. They may know now that it isn't as useful as they liked if they didn't know already.

[Terros]

Most likely. Hmmm....the armored guys give me the impression of knights, and the robed person makes me think the "heretic/hectic" order is some kind of religious group. Like the Catholic church back in the middle ages.

[Misschoco]

Most likely. Hmmm....the armored guys give me the impression of knights, and the robed person makes me think the "heretic/hectic" order is some kind of religious group. Like the Catholic church back in the middle ages.
well you can relate religion to the medieval times there was no secularism back then. The amours useless but they may learn from these mistakes.But armor is better then none at all

[Desi]

well you can relate religion to the medieval times there was no secularism back then.
Um saying there was no secularism in medieval ages is well.....I won't say since there were people that didn't believe and prayed to what the church called "false gods".

[Misschoco]

Um saying there was no secularism in medieval ages is well.....I won't say since there were people that didn't believe and prayed to what the church called "false gods".
but being secular is not specifically relating to religion or not bound by monastic restrictions, especially not belonging to a religious order.
i was saying that to relate with what terros said that heretic could be some kind of religious group. I was saying that religion could also pay a major part in the medieval era more than the modern era now

[Desi]

Yeah, I was just saying that there were people that didn't follow the common rule/religion back then. it wasn't a popular choice and you often got called a heretic/heathen for it.

Saying no one opposed back then and all believed in whatever is like saying the world was find and dandy until the Blacks came....Oogie Boogie Black predator. God i love that example.

[Misschoco]

Yeah, I was just saying that there were people that didn't follow the common rule/religion back then. it wasn't a popular choice and you often got called a heretic/heathen for it.

i see :P e.g catholics in bloody marys reign and protestants who were killed for not following the common religion/rule

[Terros]

Back on topic, I think they maybe some kind of religious order.

[Ultima Star]

Religious order??!!....I don't think so...i think that they're Storm's enemies (duh..) and maybe they need the crystals to save their kingdom :nod:

[Terros]

Yeah, a religious order who's fighting against Storm.

[Ultima Star]

But why a religious order? it could be his enemies and they come from another kingdom and they need the crystal to save it cos their kingdom is dying somehow

[Terros]

It was just a guess I made, read back like the last two pages.

[Misschoco]

But why a religious order? it could be his enemies and they come from another kingdom and they need the crystal to save it cos their kingdom is dying somehow
or their just greedy b******* as all individuals in war want a piece of the prize i.e crystal. Them belonging to a religious order would seem suitable as i explained in my previous post on the last page. Its like oil really or money people kill each other to get the bigger share. You can apply this to this game but only that the kingdom which storm controls is just protecting something which could be bad in the wrong hands

[Terros]

Exactly, and if they are a religious cult the probably have some religious use of it as well.

[Misschoco]

Exactly, and if they are a religious cult the probably have some religious use of it as well.
yh probably trying to convert storms kingdom into their ways or trying to make them enter the religious cult to follow the 'truth'

A theory
what if both kingdoms were as one years and years back but a group develop a religious group which would lead the kingdom in power,development and the whole truth. but some people couldve of opposed to this heretic thing or order which these religious leaders tried to impose on the kingdom. So the people against this religious group broke up thus forming storms kingdom. After wards they couldve discovered the crystal thus protecting it from the heretics who made the religious group in the now separated kingdom and these people who werent so consumed by the religion which was consuming the other kingdom,had some sense to develop gradually in a modern kingdom

i'll continue later-hope it made sense :blink:

[Lifrasthir]

I thought someone said that they were from.....ack! I lost my train of thought. *grrrrrrr*

[Pixel]

What if Storm was the greedy one and the whole planet was going to die if he did not share the crystal?:ohmy:

[Terros]

If the story is like Hamlet, then like prince Hamlet, Storm will be selfish, indecisive, out for revenge, and not very nice to women....(<.< I'm starting to worry)

[Misschoco]

If the story is like Hamlet, then like prince Hamlet, Storm will be selfish, indecisive, out for revenge, and not very nice to women....(<.< I'm starting to worry)
well why relate the themes or hamlet to storm.Just because hamlet was like that then not necessarily storm will be like that.I think square is relating hamlet only to the themes of ffvxiii and not storm himself

but you could be right here *starts to worry*

[Terros]

Well on a lighter note, I could be over thinking it. After all a quote from Hamlet was also used for Xenosaga Episode 3, "...to die, to sleep, perhaps to dream..."

[Pixel]

:w00t:.........Xenosaga was a great series.

[Terros]

Yes it was! But the ended it on a cliff-hanger...AGAIN!

[Ultima Star]

As misschoco said I also hope that Storm is not exactly as Hamlet....
I mean the only thing that could be like Hamlet would be the plot...ok..well...I'm not to sure about that neither

[Pixel]

Your pretty unsure.....:lol:

[Misschoco]

As misschoco said I also hope that Storm is not exactly as Hamlet....
I mean the only thing that could be like Hamlet would be the plot...ok..well...I'm not to sure about that neither
yh the plot :P i didnt have an indication of storm being like hamlet ;) having a similar plot would be fine but the characters being a duplicate of the ones in hamlet.well.............

[Desi]

:w00t:.........Xenosaga was a great series.

No it wasn't stop spreading lies.

[Pixel]

Wtf was wrong with it?:blink:

[Terros]

No it wasn't stop spreading lies.

It was good until they screwed it up in ep. 2, but ep. 3 helped to salvage it.

Anywho back on topic.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

well why relate the themes or hamlet to storm.Just because hamlet was like that then not necessarily storm will be like that.I think square is relating hamlet only to the themes of ffvxiii and not storm himself

but you could be right here *starts to worry*

Noooo, I'm not very happy with Hamlet's storyline, not to mention the character himself... If it's pointing to the theme, then it should fit pretty well, but Storm should have his own special personality, not to be based on something else :nod:

[Misschoco]

Noooo, I'm not very happy with Hamlet's storyline, not to mention the character himself... If it's pointing to the theme, then it should fit pretty well, but Storm should have his own special personality, not to be based on something else :nod:
yh hamlets storyline is well...a bit too distressing. I dont know about storm anymore (his personality)im refusing to speculate anymore

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Mainly because SE refuse to give us some more information :nag:

[Pixel]

Yeah. Square is being a information withholder....:(

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Are they going to have another Party? Not that I'm expecting anything from that...:'(

[Terros]

Noooo, I'm not very happy with Hamlet's storyline, not to mention the character himself... If it's pointing to the theme, then it should fit pretty well, but Storm should have his own special personality, not to be based on something else :nod:

I think so too, I think FFvsXIII will share similar themes to Hamlet but be able to stand on it's own. Nomura likes to take a original approach in stories...

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I think so too, I think FFvsXIII will share similar themes to Hamlet but be able to stand on it's own. Nomura likes to take a original approach in stories...

Yup! Besides, (Storm??) can't have a completely lonely personality, then he wouldn't have friends he trust and therefore it would lead to the destruction of his kingdom :(

[Ultima Star]

That'd be such a different plot in the WHOLE story of FF :ohmy:

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Yay! Something different!! I hope the gameplay is long too, like FF12 :nod:

[KisaraCrystal]

Ok, if the story line is base on Shakespeare play Hamlet, I tell you one thing I will not play the game (jk) but it would be sad if it actually kinda base on it, Hamlet is a sad story, I watch the movie and I couldn't quite understand it but who care, I know this game is base on some what tragedy type, but I hope not much. {I am so off Topic}

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o206/KisaraCrystal/Final_Fantasy_Sig_by_MiaowMiaow_Rei.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o206/KisaraCrystal/bookmark4cj4.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o206/KisaraCrystal/Lightning_x_Versus_King_Siggy_by_Mi.jpg

[Terros]

I wouldn't worry, considering it's FF it probabably will only share several themes with hamlet.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

You might never know, he might surprise us by doing the exact opposite

[Terros]

That doesn't seem like Nomura at all.

[Desi]

We only have two games to base nomura's director talent on. I don't really see him doing dark theme well though. I mean maybe angst dark but not dark city/blade runner dark aka fucked up dark depression.

[Terros]

Well, we shall see, regardless of how dark it is it will be interesting.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

yup! that's for sure, hopefully it will be worth the wait!! *unlike coughFF12cough*

[Desi]

yup! that's for sure, hopefully it will be worth the wait!! *unlike coughFFX12cough*

there are twelve sequels to FFX? My god they need to stop with that silly game.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

oops typo :nag: *change*

[Ultima Star]

She meant FF XII ^_^

[Terros]

Anywho back on track. Nomura has wanted to do something dark for a while so he may have been saving up. I'm sure he's put a good amount of effort and thought into this. I won't lie, dark themes can be difficult.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Anywho back on track. Nomura has wanted to do something dark for a while so he may have been saving up. I'm sure he's put a good amount of effort and thought into this. I won't lie, dark themes can be difficult.

Not really, I make dark/sad stories all the time ;) But it is harder than "fairy tales" because with happy stories all you have to do is add some flowers and laughter here and there and make sure the story ends with "happily ever after". :blink:

[Terros]

Hmm....I wonder, if this will have "happy" ending....I'm thinking more bitter sweet.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

You mean victory in battle but the loss of many lives? :blink:

[Ultima Star]

The heorine's life :shifty: XD or perhaps the dead of his whole country:ohmy:

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

The heorine's life :shifty: XD or perhaps the dead of his whole country:ohmy:

Not the whole country... that's the opposite of victory in battle... but the heroine dying is a good one :D

[Ultima Star]

Am i right? the heroine's life :shifty: HA! a complete change for a FF plot..no more and they live happily ever after!

[Desi]

Am i right? the heroine's life :shifty: HA! a complete change for a FF plot..no more and they live happily ever after!

FFVII? Aeris was the heroine and in the end saved everyone even though she was dead.

[Ultima Star]

I know Aeris was the heroine..but there were 2 heroines Aeris and Tifa, one is alive you know....And perhaps in this game there's only one heroine and no love triangles so that's why I said that

[Desi]

Tifa wasn't a heroine. She was a female that knew the main character since childhood. She was not a heroine. The most important thing she did was talk to retarded Cloud for a hour. Calling her the heroine would be like calling Rosa the heroine when we all know that Rydia is actually the much bigger character.

[Ultima Star]

Ok, ok forget about that....Aeris is the heroine ( I mean it cleris here) ok..so I don't want a happily ever after here :rolleyes:

[Desi]

Now you are bringing in the relationship thing. The hero and the heroine don't even have to like eachother. That isn't what being a hero/heroine is about.

And when i mean talking to retarded cloud i do mean wheelchair retard.

[Terros]

We're starting to get off topic, we need to get back to the bad guys.

[Ultima Star]

Ok, so now what? the bad guys? do you think they're the only ones that want him? or do you think that perhaps there are different kinds of soldiers?

[Terros]

I think there are different kinds of soldiers, but they're part of the of the same organization.

[Alphonse]

Yeah! Thats what I think too!

[Ultima Star]

How about different organizations? ^_^

[Alphonse]

Now that I think about it I think that ther is a lot of orga. are after the crystal because it has really great power so yeah!

[Terros]

How about different organizations? ^_^

That would make things overly complicated, I personally don't like having to fight ten million different organizations. That's too...over whelming.

[Alphonse]

Well he might fight against a lot of organization! I bet he dould take em all!

[Terros]

I don't think by himself, hence the need for a heroine and allies.

[Ultima Star]

No he can't fight all by himself you always need the aid of friends:nod:

Well..actually..he can fight alone..but always it's necessary to have comrades

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

No he can't fight all by himself you always need the aid of friends:nod:

Well..actually..he can fight alone..but always it's necessary to have comrades

Yup, only for support maybe but he can do a solo, that's for sure ^_^

[Pixel]

Yup, only for support maybe but he can do a solo, that's for sure ^_^

Thats right, he should fight by himself and just have other support units to help when he needs their expertise.:D

[Terros]

Yup, only for support maybe but he can do a solo, that's for sure ^_^ Well that won't happen cause they already made it clear there was gonna be a heroine.

[Ultima Star]

oh yes good point Terros...but being alone it's just not right you know....

[Pixel]

Well, some people tend to work alone, depends on your personality type.

[Terros]

Depends, but that doesn't mean it'll happen. And I don't think it will.

[Ultima Star]

I agree!! I also don't think he'll be all alone you know

[Terros]

It's not FF tradition anyway...

[Ultima Star]

good point! after all it's still FF:D

[Alphonse]

Yeh but remember. Its different from any other FF.

[Terros]

That doesn't mean somethings won't stay the same.

[Alphonse]

Maybe it does................. maybe it doesent.

[Ultima Star]

well the ff games I've played always show that the main character has friends, even if his personality is cold or whatever..but all of them have allies so why would that change?

[Pixel]

Because this is supposed to be a dark game, in my opinion, it can't be truly dark unless the guy has no friends.

[Ultima Star]

It's a good point but still....

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Because this is supposed to be a dark game, in my opinion, it can't be truly dark unless the guy has no friends.

but what about the heroine?

[Ultima Star]

Good point Fearless! So he's not going to be alone after all :D

[Alphonse]

Well they might really be friends.

[Pixel]

but what about the heroine?

You never know, Maybe the Heroine will be the antagonist of the game while V is the protagonist.....Amd even if that is not true, who said they have to be friends?:blink:

[Lifrasthir]

You never know, Maybe the Heroine will be the antagonist of the game while V is the protagonist.....Amd even if that is not true, who said they have to be friends?:blink:

*agrees* It'd be cooler if they were enemies.

[Pixel]

Yep, like the Boss and Naked Snake from MGS3.............Damn, I did it again.>_<

[Ultima Star]

If she's the heroine..then Storm is not the hero....

[Lifrasthir]

V could be the hero...but not the main.

[Ultima Star]

Not the main? now I'm confused @.@

[Terros]

I think they're enemies who are fighting towards the same goal. Example: Storm may represent the nobles and royal (well what's left of them being him) and the heroine might represent the common man and be part a small resistence group or something....maybe...

[Ultima Star]

So...does that mean that you're saying that Storm is not THE hero...but if she represents the common man then perhaps they don't know each other

[Alphonse]

No. I dont think so. I think his the only one in his family and his job is to protect the crystals at any cost. I wonder about the girl though.

[Terros]

So...does that mean that you're saying that Storm is not THE hero...but if she represents the common man then perhaps they don't know each other
What I mean is, they're both the heroes, but the don't have to get along, the don't even have to like each other. They represent different groups fighting towards the SAME goal, think: THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND.

[Alphonse]

That makes sence! Nice! I agree with Terros!

[Terros]

Thank you for agreeing.

[Alphonse]

Your welcome! What you said makes really good sence too me!

[Ultima Star]

What I mean is, they're both the heroes, but the don't have to get along, the don't even have to like each other. They represent different groups fighting towards the SAME goal, think: THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND.

Ok..it really makes sense..sorry I got confused ^_^

[Terros]

Anywho this thread is to talk about the bad guys not he relationship between the heroine and hero.

[Ultima Star]

Well yeah you're right Terros...if we continue with this the thread is going to be closed :'(

[Terros]

Looks like we'll have to put this thread on hold anyways, unless someone can think of a GOOD idea about the bad guys (NO SPAM!!!).

[Ultima Star]

Ok..then what about if they're not humans?

[Terros]

I think some are, and some aren't depends.

[Ultima Star]

Perhaps some of them are just robots

[Terros]

I doubt it, more likely monsters of some kind.

[Alphonse]

I dont think so.

[Terros]

Then what would they be? Remember the game takes place around our time, we don't have super advance robots like combat androids yet so I don't think they will either.

[Alphonse]

Well i guess but I dought it.

[Ultima Star]

I still think they're robots:cunning: it's Final Fantasy!

[Desi]

FFXI has robots. Lots of robots. They also break the rules.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I still think they're robots:cunning: it's Final Fantasy!

Yeah! Or lunatics like the DG soldiers in FFVII: DoC! :rolleyes:

[Alphonse]

Well I think their like the guys from FF7:DoC.

[Ultima Star]

They're not! cos they can't be the same! Thing is that the guys from DoC are from Doc and can't be in V XIII

[Alphonse]

Hey! Its not our game so they might. They might look the same but they might not act like them.

[Terros]

I would like to see a more diverse world, with humans and non-humans.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

I would like to see a more diverse world, with humans and non-humans.

non-humans as in.... robots, mutants or what?

[Pixel]

All in all the stuff you see in the other games, robots, giant birds, phoenix's, huge animals Etc.

[Desi]

non-humans as in.... robots, mutants or what?

It needs more.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Marsalis/d697fc8ed8c1ae672cda903d3d29dabf.jpg

[Alphonse]

Holy sh*t! WTF?! Wher did you get that?!lol

[Terros]

Yeah people like Fran...the Viera (did I spell that right?) Just ixney on the super skimpy clothes, one can be sexy without being half naked.

[Alphonse]

Back to what you wher talking about. Thier just souldiers that are human.

[Ultima Star]

And perhaps they're robots? or aliens? XD

[Desi]

Yeah people like Fran...the Viera (did I spell that right?) Just ixney on the super skimpy clothes, one can be sexy without being half naked.Sure they can but if they can get away with it why not? Are you jealous of Fran? ARE YOU ASHAMED OF MY LOVE (for Fran)!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Marsalis/d1f01d0e94ae083ce87803b976644c4e.jpg

[Exodus]

It needs more cow bell, imho.

The soldiers are just soldiers. Regular humans in armour that probably have irregular abilities considering it's a FF.

They're not! cos they can't be the same! Thing is that the guys from DoC are from Doc and can't be in V XIIIHe said "like". "Like" and "are" are two different things. Just because they are "like" the soldiers from DoC doesn't mean they "are" the soldiers from DoC.

[Alphonse]

LOL I dought they will be aliens or any thing of that sort. It takes in the present so its more likely to be normal souldiers.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

LOL I dought they will be aliens or any thing of that sort. It takes in the present so its more likely to be normal souldiers.

Present? I thought it would be somewhere in the future... but I wouldn't want aliens either, it would be too "Star Wars"-y :blink:

[Ultima Star]

Then let's stick with..humanoids :D

[Desi]

Present? I thought it would be somewhere in the future... but I wouldn't want aliens either, it would be too "Star Wars"-y :blink:
Jenova? The Lunarians? The separate worlds? Genomes? I really think you don't play FF.

[Alphonse]

LOL Well it just wouldent fit good with the game to me.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

Jenova? The Lunarians? The separate worlds? Genomes? I really think you don't play FF.

Ohhhhhhh... sorry :'( But don't you think it would be out of place?

[Desi]

Ohhhhhhh... sorry :'( But don't you think it would be out of place?
Not really, look at the monsters falling from the moon and Pupu in VIII.

[XxFeaRLeSsxX]

:blink: I thought the attacking soldiers are sort of like DG soldiers in FFVII: DoC, like they need something in order to survive...

But mostly it's because of their outer appearance :rolleyes:

[Terros]

Non-humans don't have to come from outer space, they could have developed side by side with the human race.

[Desi]

Pretty much like most non-Kitase FF's even if VIII and X had a few. Multiple intelligent species inhabit the worlds.