Sexuality

[aldo]

It's because straight males have the capacity to fuck other male. THUS RENDERING GAY SEX IRRELEVANT AS TO HOW GAY YOU ARE. :aldo:

[Shock]

I just get turned on when I see a pretty girl.

[Neal]

It's because straight males have the capacity to fuck other male. THUS RENDERING GAY SEX IRRELEVANT AS TO HOW GAY YOU ARE. :aldo:
Im sorry but you're not gay until you've given or received. :wtf: So stfu, straight boy. Why don't you go and fix a car or eat some delicious melon :wtf:

[Dream Machine]

http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/

So there.

[Luriana]

Straight, and NOT homophobic. I hate it how people are always talking about "Gay" rights, like Homosexuals aren't human beings...it irks me...a lot...Next thing you know...it'll be "Obese People" Rights...oh wait! [2]

And that's all there's to it.>_<

[Neal]

http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2006/04/26/curiouser-and-curiouser-the-strange-disappearance-of-male-bisexuality/

So there.
rofl. I must show someone this article. :rolleyes:

[olorin818]

well I am straight, but I tolarate all sorts of people with all sorts of orientation

[Stryke]

Straight .. but I quite like gay people ^^ They are pretty funny and nice ^^ Well my experience .. but OMFG women are fucking hot (O_O)

[olorin818]

Straight .. but I quite like gay people ^^ They are pretty funny and nice ^^ Well my experience .. but OMFG women are fucking hot (O_O)

lol, STRYKER I thought you said you are 14:rolleyes:,
just joking
You can meet gay people who behave in that "funny" way but I use to meet gay who were actually totally normall guys, it all depend how you show your orientation I think

[Luriana]

Pfft... I know some gay guys who are very nice persons, and you would only know they were gay if they told you. As long as he is not a Willy Wonka-esque affeminated man, you can haaaardly tell.

[Maester]

Gay.
Not into Pride.

[Sundance Kid]

Yeah same here

It's kinda annoying to me honestly

[Maester]

Yeah same here

It's kinda annoying to me honestly


it is
gay people are no different than anybody else, i like the same gender sexually big whoop no need to celebrate it. (Sorry to those who DO take part in Pride)

[Sundance Kid]

Nah don't worry they'll deal with it. As long as it's a reasonable conversation and such then it's no worries. But I get where you're going from, I mean I'm proud to be gay but that doesn't mean we should shut down blocks of streets just to flont our stuff, if you know what I mean...

[Purple]

I'm straight.

[Neal]

Nah don't worry they'll deal with it. As long as it's a reasonable conversation and such then it's no worries. But I get where you're going from, I mean I'm proud to be gay but that doesn't mean we should shut down blocks of streets just to flont our stuff, if you know what I mean...
rofl exactly. <3

[Dream Machine]

Gay pride is a bit silly nowadays, all it seems to do is confirm the worst fears of the LOLUFAG masses. It doesn't really further your cause to behave like the worst stereotype imaginable.

Campness only exists because it was how upper class gay men identified each other HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO in Europe. it's not inherent like a lot of those people will protest. Effeminacy in men is a different matter that despite how much the sexually confused teenagers will protest, isn't an indicator of sexuality.

This is why I'd never identify myself as gay (other then that I like women too LOL), I prefer to call myself queer.

[Neal]

I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT YOU, I COULD FEEL IT THROUGH THE INTERNET.

It doesn't really further your cause to behave like the worst stereotype imaginable.

Oh, yeah. :aldo: Those sterotypes can gtfo :wtf: I do some ghey things now and then but im not like "HHAAAYYY COUUUSINN"

[Bluewing]

Straight :|

[Sundance Kid]

I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT YOU, I COULD FEEL IT THROUGH THE INTERNET.



Oh, yeah. :aldo: Those sterotypes can gtfo :wtf: I do some ghey things now and then but im not like "HHAAAYYY COUUUSINN"
haha yeah I don't have a mullet or have a forced man voice (I sound like a boy)

[Neal]

rofl how sos. deep? or ? `

Oh, I do like a bit of Duran Duran actually, that's pretty gay :wtf:

[Sundance Kid]

Eh like 16 year old boy, if that's considered deep


Duran Duran ain't all that gay


AND I'M HUNGREE LIKE THA WOOLLLFFF

[Dream Machine]

I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT YOU, I COULD FEEL IT THROUGH THE INTERNET.



Oh, yeah. :aldo: Those sterotypes can gtfo :wtf: I do some ghey things now and then but im not like "HHAAAYYY COUUUSINN"

I don't think I've been shy concerning my love of the man-on-man action :lol:

Campest guy I know is straight, true story :wtf:

[Whiplash]

Who desn't like a bit of Duran Duran?

[Neal]

I don't think I've been shy concerning my love of the man-on-man action :lol:

Campest guy I know is straight, true story :wtf:
rofl I just didn't know `

[Theaxe999]

lol have you seen a man naked? there's nothing attractive about that :crazy: women on the other hand :wub:

[Wandering Hands]

Nekkid wimminz are sexy.

But Theaxe999 (http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/forums/member.php?u=1220), your sig is incorrect. I only like women aged 30+. Stop giving the children false hope. I don't need a bunch of moody teenagers slitting when I reject them.

[Kätharina]

BOB SAGGET http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/Cafryn1/1224219581981.gif

[Maester]

lol have you seen a man naked? there's nothing attractive about that :crazy: women on the other hand :wub:

He may not be naked but...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/liquor/dg03.jpg

How could you say that ISN'T sexy?
I'd kill to look like that btw >_<

[Neal]

lol have you seen a man naked? there's nothing attractive about that :crazy: women on the other hand :wub:
Ew nekkid gurlz ; ;

[Dream Machine]

He may not be naked but...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/liquor/dg03.jpg

How could you say that ISN'T sexy?
I'd kill to look like that btw >_<

Not my cup of tea, (More this is: OMFG (http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/9329/marlonteixeira14lx4.jpg)) but you bring up something I think about but is rarely mentioned. The funny thing about same-sex attraction sometimes is that you can simultaneously want to do someone and look like them. Bizzare.

[Neal]

WTF THOSE NIPPLES LOL

[Dream Machine]

Yeah those are kinda weird, but the pretty makes up for it.

[Ixion]

-No comment (by the way Gay is of liking to the same sex, not Male and Male)!




Actually, I only like myself (no interest in LIKING anyone else in any sex{no sex appeal})!


Call me a Narcisist who is only interested in himself!;)

[Dream Machine]

I think it's called Autosexual.

[Ixion]

I think it's called Autosexual.


Direct definitions:


-egotistic; characteristic of those having an inflated idea of their own importance

-Narcissism describes the character trait of self love, based on self-image or ego.

-having an inflated idea of one's own importance; obsessed with ones own self image and ego



This best describes me!;)



I still do like others but only in if they share my similar interests (again, no sex appeal););)!

[Neal]

wow you seem a bit up yourself `

[Dream Machine]

Probably in more ways then one :aldo:

[Versia]

Straight.^^

[Kurai Warrior]

I'm straight I LOVE BOYS! But I'm 16 and I still don't have a boyfriend, probably because my attraction level isn't the highest T_T, and I'm really shy when it comes to talking to guys I think are hot

[Shygirlfrumfl]

I'm straight as a pencil. xD Gotta love the guys. ;) xD

[Luriana]

I'm straight, but I don't and never have seen any problem in homosexual people. :aldo:

[Little Miss Scarlett]

I've always loved how most homophobes'll be all "Ewww OMG that's so GAY!" then go watch some lesbian porn.

[Bluewing]

Male/male is just wrong.. female/female is hot, that's just how it is.. from the majority's point of view.
I don't care actually, if two people really loves each other, then gender shouldn't matter.

[Devious]

Male/male is just wrong.. female/female is hot, that's just how it is.. from the majority's point of view.
I don't care actually, if two people really loves each other, then gender shouldn't matter.
They make gay porn you know =/

What category would you put a man who's married to a woman, lovers her and some other women, but also likes touching little boys? Just a thought.

[Luriana]

They make gay porn you know =/

What category would you put a man who's married to a woman, lovers her and some other women, but also likes touching little boys? Just a thought.

Michael Jackson category, Devious :aldo:

But that's all there's to it, Devi. A man who likes 'touching' little kids can't be called anything short of pedophile, or a monster, in my opinion. How can he love his wife? That's sick...

[Dream Machine]

Male/male is just wrong.. female/female is hot, that's just how it is.. from the majority's point of view.
I don't care actually, if two people really loves each other, then gender shouldn't matter.

The hyper-sexualisation of males in popular culture runs contrary to that belief, it's just not 'spoken about. Look at any number of adverts, films, music videos, tv shows, etc. its definatly not just being directed toward women.

I'm borrowing a lot of this from Mark Simpson its true, but the media IS training us to be more bisexually responsive (as we are naturally inclined to be) while simultaneously telling us the man-action is WRONG. Thus we have millions of confused teenage boys who doth protest too much.

[Bluewing]

Most "Men" or rather teenagers has gotten the impression for the past centuaries that men/men is just wrong, and no matter what they feel for each other, it's still wrong. Since we are the less "soft" gender, most of us can't tolerate this, and is being disgusted by the thought of it. While on another hand the girls (or perhaps more than guys), usually accept things better, and is closer to it's friends, being more honest. They have lived in another environment than guys. Being very close to each other discovering love. While this is more common for women, it's also easier for them, and is also followed by the fact that it's more accepted by the people.

[monkeyJ]

i'm gonna go with straight on this one :P

[Maester]

Most "Men" or rather teenagers has gotten the impression for the past centuaries that men/men is just wrong, and no matter what they feel for each other, it's still wrong. Since we are the less "soft" gender, most of us can't tolerate this, and is being disgusted by the thought of it. While on another hand the girls (or perhaps more than guys), usually accept things better, and is closer to it's friends, being more honest. They have lived in another environment than guys. Being very close to each other discovering love. While this is more common for women, it's also easier for them, and is also followed by the fact that it's more accepted by the people.

Less "soft" gender? What?!...

Most of "us" can't tolerate it? Who is "us" and why do you generalize? Have you asked every male human being in the world if they can or can not tolerate gay men?

Easier for woman to do what? Make out with each other? Please, and next your going to tell me that gay men contract AIDs more frequently than straight people, well... umm... if you have unprotected sex with someone who has AIDs chances are you're going to contract AID's no matter the gender.

Your whole paragraph makes no sense not to mention the numerous amount of grammar and spelling mistakes and generalizations/conformist remarks.

Sorry but that "erks" me. :nag:

[Sundance Kid]

@ Bluewing

Saying women accept different people "easier" is negative ALOT of women I know who are straight think it's disgusting that I'm a lez. You just don't see it but gay women have it just as hard as gay men when it comes to not being accepted for being gay or for loving a different way. Both genders tolerate the same way it doesn't matter how they were raised or WHERE they were raised.

[Neal]

Most "Men" or rather teenagers has gotten the impression for the past centuaries that men/men is just wrong, and no matter what they feel for each other, it's still wrong. Since we are the less "soft" gender, most of us can't tolerate this, and is being disgusted by the thought of it. While on another hand the girls (or perhaps more than guys), usually accept things better, and is closer to it's friends, being more honest. They have lived in another environment than guys. Being very close to each other discovering love. While this is more common for women, it's also easier for them, and is also followed by the fact that it's more accepted by the people.
You're right that there are still lots of close minded, selfish, retarded people out there, but society is accepting it now. I thought that would have been obvious considering the fairly recent legallity of gay marriages. For the most part your paragraph doesn't make a lot of sense, care to try again? Why is it wrong exactly?

[Misschoco]

Most "Men" or rather teenagers has gotten the impression for the past centuaries that men/men is just wrong, and no matter what they feel for each other, it's still wrong. Since we are the less "soft" gender, most of us can't tolerate this, and is being disgusted by the thought of it. While on another hand the girls (or perhaps more than guys), usually accept things better, and is closer to it's friends, being more honest. They have lived in another environment than guys. Being very close to each other discovering love. While this is more common for women, it's also easier for them, and is also followed by the fact that it's more accepted by the people.
Could I ask you the rephrase the whole paragraph.You didnt really clarify what you meant although I realize your making typical generalizations.'Its still wrong'If this is your opinion then gtfo.If its not natural then how the fuk do you explain male seahorse asexuality.You seem to be calling men all arseholes if females are much more honest tolerant etc.Truth is it varies in both sexes you cant make hasty generalizations.You seem to be a poor judge of character.Being very close to each other discovering love-People express closeness in different ways I dont know what you idealize it as.

Cant tolerate buttsecks?

[Sex_Stells_and_RocknRoll]

He may not be naked but...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/liquor/dg03.jpg

How could you say that ISN'T sexy?
I'd kill to look like that btw >_<


the only guys who look like that in real life are celebrities and gay guys, it's very unlikely you'll get a man looking like that (unless your also a gay guy). Plus in the long run, I'd prefer to be with an average looking female for the rest of my life then an average looking male.

[Neal]

rofl, build is not limited to sexuality. Loads of straight guys have nice bodies like that, wtf are you talking about.

[Stella Nox Fleuret]

I am straight. But I don't care about love, so meh.

[Bluewing]

Male/male is just wrong.. female/female is hot, that's just how it is.. from the majority's point of view.
I don't care actually, if two people really loves each other, then gender shouldn't matter.

I clearly said that I don't care.. if two people loves each other, then gender shouldn't matter.

Most "Men" or rather teenagers has gotten the impression for the past centuaries that men/men is just wrong, and no matter what they feel for each other, it's still wrong. Since we are the less "soft" gender, most of us can't tolerate this, and is being disgusted by the thought of it. While on another hand the girls (or perhaps more than guys), usually accept things better, and is closer to it's friends, being more honest. They have lived in another environment than guys. Being very close to each other discovering love. While this is more common for women, it's also easier for them, and is also followed by the fact that it's more accepted by the people.

This wasn't any of "my" thoughts at all..

This is the impression I have gotten, from seeing and hearing what "other" people say, and how they act.

[Theaxe999]

rofl, build is not limited to sexuality. Loads of straight guys have nice bodies like that, wtf are you talking about.

really? well I don't know where you live but definitely not in australia lol

[Sex_Stells_and_RocknRoll]

really? well I don't know where you live but definitely not in australia lol


The Best man boobs Australia has to offer

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc130/wynddsong/ManBoobs2.png
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc130/wynddsong/ManBoobs2.png)

[Theaxe999]

*clings to the girls* :'(

[Sex_Stells_and_RocknRoll]

*clings to the girls* :'(


I'm right there with you

[Wandering Hands]

Speaking of Australians...

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8314/melissageorgegq4.jpg

assdfadfassafdsadsaddadada Why does she do this to me?

[Whiplash]

Or, in a 20 second Google search seeing as I don't follow attractive men around asking for photos of them semi-naked (yet).

http://images.safm.com.au/2008/05/02/14887/600x400-ENTnude-afl-players-04-600x400.jpg

[Theaxe999]

Speaking of Australians...

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8314/melissageorgegq4.jpg

assdfadfassafdsadsaddadada Why does she do this to me?

hehehehehe at least we can agree on something Shuyu :P

[Kätharina]

Or, in a 20 second Google search seeing as I don't follow attractive men around asking for photos of them semi-naked (yet).

http://images.safm.com.au/2008/05/02/14887/600x400-ENTnude-afl-players-04-600x400.jpg

YEZ PLZ./
ahsafsdaf

[Sex_Stells_and_RocknRoll]

This poster says it all

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/dmc1200/lesbian.jpg

[Whiplash]

Luke Jericho.


Even his name is made of awesome.

[Wandering Hands]

YEZ PLZ./
ahsafsdaf

D:

You TRAITOR!

... Or are you?

Wait... What exactly are you, Cathryn? Some sort of bisexual boob monster?

[Kätharina]

D:

You TRAITOR!

... Or are you?

Wait... What exactly are you, Cathryn? Some sort of bisexual boob monster?

Lets go with that D;

[Maester]

Or, in a 20 second Google search seeing as I don't follow attractive men around asking for photos of them semi-naked (yet).

http://images.safm.com.au/2008/05/02/14887/600x400-ENTnude-afl-players-04-600x400.jpg

I hope he walks into my room and takes me away from my horrible life...:wub:


I clearly said that I don't care.. if two people loves each other, then gender shouldn't matter.







This wasn't any of "my" thoughts at all..



This is the impression I have gotten, from seeing and hearing what "other" people say, and how they act.

Your "impressions" also didnt make any sense

[Whiplash]

His football career is over, I'm hoping he takes up modelling or reading the news or some shit where he can look gorgeous all the time and I can see him.

Failing that, I'm sure I could find something for him to do around my house.

And by something, I mean someone.

[Neal]

I clearly said that I don't care

Male/male is just wrong

gtfo.

And by something, I mean someone.

AND SOMEONE YOU MEAN FENRISTH? <3

[Strifer]

I am straight male go for female and love is good:)
Looks like there are all kinds here. Interesting

[Bluewing]

gtfo.

I can't believe it.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST MALE/MALE! :nag:
But this is the impression I get from others around me, where I live -_-

Please read everything before you tell me to gtfo.
or maybe I should just gtfo.. since it seems that I'm not allowed to say what OTHERS AROUND ME (ppl where I live) thinks.

I said it two times now, maybe a third?

this is my point of view, this is what I think.
"If two people really love each other, then gender doesn't matter."

[Kätharina]

gtfo..........

Oh and stop contradicting yourself douche-fag.

[Maester]

His football career is over, I'm hoping he takes up modelling or reading the news or some shit where he can look gorgeous all the time and I can see him.

Failing that, I'm sure I could find something for him to do around my house.

And by something, I mean someone.


I hope he falls madly inlove with me and takes me away to a resort island where we can make passionate love for hours and live a happy life :wub: lol

[Neal]

I can't believe it.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST MALE/MALE! :nag:
But this is the impression I get from others around me, where I live -_-

Please read everything before you tell me to gtfo.
or maybe I should just gtfo.. since it seems that I'm not allowed to say what OTHERS AROUND ME (ppl where I live) thinks.

I said it two times now, maybe a third?

this is my point of view, this is what I think.
"If two people really love each other, then gender doesn't matter."
Then don't start your sentance "Male/male is wrong", but instead "people in my area think male/male is wrong".

Gtfo.

[Cactus Girl]

rofl, build is not limited to sexuality. Loads of straight guys have nice bodies like that, wtf are you talking about.

Yeah, like this guy :cookie:

I'm not trying to show off or anything but this is the only photo in my photobucket wanting to work, the other are missing up so here. I took this 3 weeks ago, my previous pic was 3 years old so i thought post a recent pic



http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u305/nickpick2007/hot_shirtless_guy_36-1.jpg

[Kätharina]

We all know that was a fake picture right :aldo:

[Neal]

Yeah of course it wasn't him. rofl. HE TOOK PROOF PIX BUT NEVER POSTED THEM OR CAME BACK :wtf:

[Esagan]

I can't believe it.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST MALE/MALE! :nag:
But this is the impression I get from others around me, where I live -_-

Please read everything before you tell me to gtfo.
or maybe I should just gtfo.. since it seems that I'm not allowed to say what OTHERS AROUND ME (ppl where I live) thinks.

I said it two times now, maybe a third?

this is my point of view, this is what I think.
"If two people really love each other, then gender doesn't matter."

I sense a closet.

[Kätharina]

Yeah of course it wasn't him. rofl. HE TOOK PROOF PIX BUT NEVER POSTED THEM OR CAME BACK :wtf:

OH THE IRONY :wtf:

[Strifer]

Hmmm, Cath...do you have two accounts? Or is it another one?

[Neal]

Im her gay for men side, and Cathryn is the gay for girls side. :wtf:

[Kätharina]

Shuyu <3 :aldo:

[Strifer]

:S omfg this is bad.

[Kitmitsu]

*Looks at thread*

......

*Moves to General Chat*

[JmLopez]

straight...but i think that if you love someone, it doesn't matter if you are gay or not... unfortunately, not everyone agrees...

[Misschoco]

Nuff of deh soft porn plz :wtf:

the only guys who look like that in real life are celebrities and gay guys, it's very unlikely you'll get a man looking like that (unless your also a gay guy). Plus in the long run, I'd prefer to be with an average looking female for the rest of my life then an average looking male.
Its like your implying the very large 'majority' of males dont give a crap about looking good.So only 'gay' guys and celebs have bodies like that.Im not sure why your constraining this 'image' to these two types of male.

[Dream Machine]

Another history lesson.

The reason a lot of gay guys have this stereotype of being well-toned and all that shit originates in the 80's when AIDS was just becoming known. In order to prove they weren't sick, a lot of gay guys started working out and becoming all muscly and shit. Thus we now have a culture of loads of gay guys who live in the gym.

I personally prefer lean/toned guys but whatever :aldo:

[Luriana]

@Dream Machine: You're right. At least here in Brazil the majority of gay guys are all muscular and shite. And once I asked a gay friend of mine, he said that he kept going to the gym and stuff because this would make him look healthier, since there's this somewhat stereotype that gay guys are promiscuous and shite, and that they all get HIV...

But again, I don't think we should generalise this.

[Lucy]

I am straight :) men men all the way..but i accept who got other tastes..really doesnt bother me at all!!in fact i hav a gay friend!!its all good :P

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

In Bluewing's defense, he really did say he didn't care for the gay and was talking about the sad way which a good majority of straight men still think. It wasn't well phrased at all but on the global note, the kid wasn't lying.

Though I didn't get the part about 'women being more prone to being lez', the way he said it made it seem like some lesbian porn fantasy if you ask me.


Or, in a 20 second Google search seeing as I don't follow attractive men around asking for photos of them semi-naked (yet).

http://images.safm.com.au/2008/05/02/14887/600x400-ENTnude-afl-players-04-600x400.jpg
OMG INSPIRED :::wub::wub:wub::wub::

I wonder if pretending to be a photographer in need of fit models to shoot would be a fitting excuse to get semi-naked photos of guys-totally-out-of-my-league...:cunning:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n154/StupidAquarius/9783822846506_4.jpg

CHAIN 2 :wub::

Another history lesson.

The reason a lot of gay guys have this stereotype of being well-toned and all that shit originates in the 80's when AIDS was just becoming known. In order to prove they weren't sick, a lot of gay guys started working out and becoming all muscly and shit. Thus we now have a culture of loads of gay guys who live in the gym.

I personally prefer lean/toned guys but whatever :aldo:
In almost every one of your posts, I learn something new. LOL!

[Neal]

LOL WTF

[Kitmitsu]

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6844189

God gave us free will for a reason...cuz He isnt goin to make us love Him...and we have to decide is our girlfriends really that important to us? That we're willing to not just go to hell its not even about hell...its about the millions upon thosands of ppl we could affect that dont have a relationship with Jesus Christ that looks at you and me to say hey...i know Him...and right now..we dont because we're pushin HIm away....so just maybe we'll decide to play on Jesus team instead of against Him...but you have to remember that is YOUR CHOICE...LIFE OR DEATH? Cuz in the end sin always leads to death...even if its just a dead spirit...which honestly doesnt have to happen when u die it can happen before...just think bout it...

These Christians have a strange sense of right and wrong. They choose to ruin peoples lives because they're scared of what will happen when they die?

the hard stuff is in your hands...only you can change your life forever...

....lol

[Whiplash]

Aren't those the lyrics to a Linkin Park song?

[Neal]

The hard stuff was in my hands this morning :wtf:

OH YEAH + NEW JOKES

[Maester]

The hard stuff was in my hands this morning :wtf:

OH YEAH + NEW JOKES


more like his hard stuff was in my hands

[GRK187]

Straight , no doubt about it

[Belbe]

*sniff* Beautiful Yurian.

Honestly you could say I had no choice to moving. I was adopted so I'd be here one way or another. I was raised in a mainly white church (I love it to pieces). So I was taught that gay/homosexual relationships were wrong. But what I don't get is why kids around our age make such a big deal about it. If you're gay honestly I'd like to know (No not in that way you perverts! :nag:), and I'll tell you I think being gay is wrong but I'm not going to downsize you by saying you're wrong. If you believe being gay is okay or whatever then go ahead. Nothing's stopping you and the world should either.

Very VERY wise answer! couldn've said it better myself and i make yours my words if u don mind!

as for my sexuality I really have no idea. I must be one of the eldest ppl here but i've only been inlove once, like 15 years ago and it happened to be a guy. Not much of a sample for statistics i'd say... :blink::lol:

[Caelignis]

http://students.washington.edu/uwisa/images/familyguy/quagmire.jpg


Self explanitory....:wtf:

[Belbe]

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6844189



These Christians have a strange sense of right and wrong. They choose to ruin peoples lives because they're scared of what will happen when they die?



....lol

woha! hoooold yar ponies! don come generalizing! Not all Christians think the same! I for once think of Christ as Budhists think of Buddha: a very very wise man. I think his way of thinking is very respectful of life and the universe and I go by it. All the after life giberish is stuff they had to write at that time otherwise ppl wouldn't understand. they were too ignorant. :blink:
As for the gay issue in itself, common, there weren't THAT much ppl back then! if beyin gays was accepted the, human race'd be doomed! :lol: I do respect their choice! As I respect anything and anyone, so long as it's not interfering with my freedom.
Anywhoo, these days I think it's ok. we've become a plague anyway... I just don agree that gay ppl have kids. if they choose a partner for reasons beyond breeding it's lovely! but plz abide by their choices. It'd be very long to explain why but I just don think it's right to say "I don't whant a cell phone!" and then go around making calls with someone else's phone....>_< just my very personal opinion though... :unsure:

[Neal]

Why shouldn't gay couples have kids? God help you if you if or anyone says the kid will end up gay :wtf: Maybe some of us want to have kids one day but don't want to put our cocks into a spiralling abyss to get one.

[Wandering Hands]

The whole "Gay couples doom the human race because they can't reproduce" thing is pure retardation anyway.

I urge all to go look up the word "surrogate" and then come back here.

Jesus Christ.

[Dream Machine]

I have known a few people that have had two mums or two dads, they have all turned out 'normal' (whatever that means). I don't believe humans are meant to raise kids in pairs anyway, group parenting/extended families seem to be more in line with nature, plus Aldous Huxley makes a good case for it in 'Island' (yes it's fiction, but it's based off of his personal philosophy).

Also; BISEXUAL PENGUINS (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=bisexual-species). As Jonathan Rhys-Myers sarcastically says to Ewan McGregor in Velvet Goldmine after they make out, 'and they tell you it's not natural!'. God I love that film, recommended for all.

[Belbe]

Why shouldn't gay couples have kids? God help you if you if or anyone says the kid will end up gay :wtf: Maybe some of us want to have kids one day but don't want to put our cocks into a spiralling abyss to get one.


nah nah, yar gettin it all wrong! I'm happy that ppl are having less kids! The world is doomed with the amount we already have anyways... and I was happy that gay ppl don have to get married and have kids to hide that they're gay! but then technology goes around and makes them have kids as well! there goes my hapiness... ah well, straight couples aren't having them so I guess that's allright...

...but this is a whole other subject, I'm falling into resourses studies and global warming and bla bla blah impending doom, that doesn't concern this thread... don mind me :blink:

oh, and I agree that kids WHERE meant to be raised in large families! though i'm not sure that includes gay ones*, but what's truth is that they turn out better when they have this mediterranian style family with loads of cousins and aunts comin in and outta the house making a huge bunch of noise and kissing and kicking and so forth. You rarely see THOSE locked in a room all day in the dark dating online and who knows wa else lol!

*again, don take it wrong, I just think this cos if it wheren't for technology or adoption, gay couples couldn't have kids... simple biology. Howhever, no mater what your beliefs are, any kid'll be better off raised by a gay couple with decent parenting skills than by a staright one with none. He might get some trouble at school, but oh well, minorities will always have trouble, no matter what their source... :(

[Caelignis]

I might be bisexual, ever since 8th grade i`ve found some other girls attractive, particularly friends, is that bad? am i a bad person? am i going to hell?

lol:wtf:but no seriously i might be bisexual

[Belbe]

I might be bisexual, ever since 8th grade i`ve found some other girls attractive, particularly friends, is that bad? am i a bad person? am i going to hell?

lol:wtf:but no seriously i might be bisexual

lol! don think yar goin to hell! God forgot to set that on the 10 comendments, LOL! anywhoo, girls usually have as much ease at apreciating a man phisicaly as they do a woman so it's not that that makes u bissexual. just makes u more prone at feeling envy that what-her-name is hot as hell... IF you're the envious type i mean :lol:

but oh well, noone was ever able to explain to me why or how ppl like wa they like so, really can't help u there :blink:

I wish someone could help me! my plug is off! can't feel atracted to anything! xcept maybe a cup of italian capuccino... :lol:

[Neal]

nah nah, yar gettin it all wrong! I'm happy that ppl are having less kids! The world is doomed with the amount we already have anyways... and I was happy that gay ppl don have to get married and have kids to hide that they're gay! but then technology goes around and makes them have kids as well! there goes my hapiness... ah well, straight couples aren't having them so I guess that's allright...

...but this is a whole other subject, I'm falling into resourses studies and global warming and bla bla blah impending doom, that doesn't concern this thread... don mind me :blink:

oh, and I agree that kids WHERE meant to be raised in large families! though i'm not sure that includes gay ones*, but what's truth is that they turn out better when they have this mediterranian style family with loads of cousins and aunts comin in and outta the house making a huge bunch of noise and kissing and kicking and so forth. You rarely see THOSE locked in a room all day in the dark dating online and who knows wa else lol!

*again, don take it wrong, I just think this cos if it wheren't for technology or adoption, gay couples couldn't have kids... simple biology. Howhever, no mater what your beliefs are, any kid'll be better off raised by a gay couple with decent parenting skills than by a staright one with none. He might get some trouble at school, but oh well, minorities will always have trouble, no matter what their source... :(
You think kids "turn out better" when they have loads of brothers and sisters? Is that to say that children with no brothers or sisters, or few, turn out bad...? What the fuck are you talking about? The size of the family doesn't decide if your child is going to turn out bad or not.

You rarely see THOSE locked in a room all day in the dark dating online and who knows wa else lol!Wtf? So now you're implying that only children sit in all day on internet sites? Way to generalise. Small families don't look at dating sites in the dark and large ones aren't fucking perfect. What an idiotic thing to say, I hope you have good reason to back up such a stupid opinion because one of my best friends is an only child and I don't see that making him a different or worse person than me because ive got two sisters and he has none!

am i a bad person? am i going to hell?THERE ISNT ONE SO I SHAN'T WORRY :wtf:

[Esagan]

nah nah, yar gettin it all wrong! I'm happy that ppl are having less kids! The world is doomed with the amount we already have anyways... and I was happy that gay ppl don have to get married and have kids to hide that they're gay! but then technology goes around and makes them have kids as well! there goes my hapiness... ah well, straight couples aren't having them so I guess that's allright...

...but this is a whole other subject, I'm falling into resourses studies and global warming and bla bla blah impending doom, that doesn't concern this thread... don mind me :blink:

oh, and I agree that kids WHERE meant to be raised in large families! though i'm not sure that includes gay ones*, but what's truth is that they turn out better when they have this mediterranian style family with loads of cousins and aunts comin in and outta the house making a huge bunch of noise and kissing and kicking and so forth. You rarely see THOSE locked in a room all day in the dark dating online and who knows wa else lol!

*again, don take it wrong, I just think this cos if it wheren't for technology or adoption, gay couples couldn't have kids... simple biology. Howhever, no mater what your beliefs are, any kid'll be better off raised by a gay couple with decent parenting skills than by a staright one with none. He might get some trouble at school, but oh well, minorities will always have trouble, no matter what their source... :(

That's quite a heap of shit you're speaking. Having a ton of family members does absoutly nothing other than annoy people.

It doesn't make an ounce of difference if I had aload of cousins or Aunties, I'd be exactly the same as I was now. It's your close parents that make a difference wtf XD.

that they turn out better when they have this mediterranian style family with loads of cousins and aunts comin in and outta the house making a huge bunch of noise and kissing and kicking and so forth. You rarely see THOSE locked in a room all day in the dark dating online and who knows wa else lol!

Come on, you're full of shit. It doesn't matter whether you have 2 family members, or 20. It depends on how the parents bring them up, what's wrong with you?

I just think this cos if it wheren't for technology or adoption, gay couples couldn't have kids... simple biology.

Surrogate mother who gives custody to the father. There's one way gay guys could have a child. You didn't really need to point out two guys can't have a child together without technology. We all learnt that when we were pretty damn young.

[Belbe]

fine, nevermind! u think watever u like. I think I've seen enough of the world to get my opinion on this. You probably think the same. U don respect my conclusions, fine, but then don expect me to respect yours. All I get from you angry answers at my casual talk is that you're all fu*** up. take some prozac or something, and then come chat with people! I work all day and truthfully, I'm too tired to be mad at anyone this late in the eve. I knew I should've gone trail riding intead of siting on this chair... (At least the horse wouldn't get mad at me thinkin he'd be better off if he could live with his herd)

stay cool!
I'll come back when FFXIII's released in Europe rofl!

[Whiplash]

.......wtf?

[Neal]

fine, nevermind! u think watever u like. I think I've seen enough of the world to get my opinion on this. You probably think the same. U don respect my conclusions, fine, but then don expect me to respect yours. All I get from you angry answers at my casual talk is that you're all fu*** up. take some prozac or something, and then come chat with people! I work all day and truthfully, I'm too tired to be mad at anyone this late in the eve. I knew I should've gone trail riding intead of siting on this chair... (At least the horse wouldn't get mad at me thinkin he'd be better off if he could live with his herd)

stay cool!
I'll come back when FFXIII's released in Europe rofl!
Prozac is an antidepressant. No one here is depressed. :wtf: So Im fucked up for not thinking a large family makes you a better person? HMMM.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh50/fenristh/1226876748353.png

This is the shittest reason for leaving the forums I've seen for a while. I guess you had no reasons behind your weird claims.

[Kitmitsu]

fine, nevermind! u think watever u like. I think I've seen enough of the world to get my opinion on this. You probably think the same. U don respect my conclusions, fine, but then don expect me to respect yours. All I get from you angry answers at my casual talk is that you're all fu*** up. take some prozac or something, and then come chat with people! I work all day and truthfully, I'm too tired to be mad at anyone this late in the eve. I knew I should've gone trail riding intead of siting on this chair... (At least the horse wouldn't get mad at me thinkin he'd be better off if he could live with his herd)

stay cool!
I'll come back when FFXIII's released in Europe rofl!

You're leaving because people decided to question your opinion with valid arguments? If you didn't want to get involved in a debate then you shouldn't have joined the thread. Enjoy your time with your horse. At least he won't question you.

[Whiplash]

Enjoy your time with your horse. At least he won't question you.

I don't know, Wilbur.

http://epitarg.com/mred.jpg


...that joke had to be made, I don't care what you all say. Besides, I think she'll be back and possibly hypothesising that having a large family would cure depression and cancer.

[Dream Machine]

Where's all these large family hate coming from? Yeah the Anglo-American model of nuclear families has really worked hasn't it? *looks at the divorce rate* Oh.... right.

This is an entirely different topic but there is more then one 'right' way to raise a child, I've read studies that say single-child families have better kids (look at China in the aftermath of their one-child policy, a much higher proportion of this new generation are getting into higher education and such, something about the focus of having two parents for only one child being better).

Extended families, I believe are largely oppositional to the hyper-individualistic nature of our present day western societies, which can only be a good thing; also I read something once about having more parental figures exposes you to a wider range of character traits early on and allows you to navigate past specific neuroses your parents may have, from becoming part of your character.

On same-sex parenting, of course it's natural, its happened through the ages in the context of extended/complex family units, aunts, uncles, friends, etc all being part of the children's development, as close as any 'natural' parent.

[Whiplash]

Personally I hate large families because I have one, and it causes only misery.

And as for the one-child policy leading to more kids going into higher education, having just done an essay on this for my Asian Studies unit it's a tad more complicated then that but we're getting off-topic.

[Kätharina]

nah nah, yar gettin it all wrong! I'm happy that ppl are having less kids! The world is doomed with the amount we already have anyways... and I was happy that gay ppl don have to get married and have kids to hide that they're gay! but then technology goes around and makes them have kids as well! there goes my hapiness... ah well, straight couples aren't having them so I guess that's allright...

...but this is a whole other subject, I'm falling into resourses studies and global warming and bla bla blah impending doom, that doesn't concern this thread... don mind me :blink:

oh, and I agree that kids WHERE meant to be raised in large families! though i'm not sure that includes gay ones*, but what's truth is that they turn out better when they have this mediterranian style family with loads of cousins and aunts comin in and outta the house making a huge bunch of noise and kissing and kicking and so forth. You rarely see THOSE locked in a room all day in the dark dating online and who knows wa else lol!

*again, don take it wrong, I just think this cos if it wheren't for technology or adoption, gay couples couldn't have kids... simple biology. Howhever, no mater what your beliefs are, any kid'll be better off raised by a gay couple with decent parenting skills than by a staright one with none. He might get some trouble at school, but oh well, minorities will always have trouble, no matter what their source... :(

What the fuck was that.
So you think large families come out better? What screaming intolerable street children who cannot be controlled because their parents kept fucking copulating.
Yes, why not, considering a womans vagina is for that specific, why not make it go a few rounds just so your children are fucking happy.

No, i'd rather have one child who has been raise correctly, isn't a pissy little shit who fucking moans while there other brother or sister is slapping their cock for incest.

And i have no idea what the fuck you said about Same sex couples fucking hiding their sexuality behind a child. What are you? A Mexican Cave Yeti?

[Esagan]

fine, nevermind! u think watever u like. I think I've seen enough of the world to get my opinion on this. You probably think the same. U don respect my conclusions, fine, but then don expect me to respect yours. All I get from you angry answers at my casual talk is that you're all fu*** up. take some prozac or something, and then come chat with people! I work all day and truthfully, I'm too tired to be mad at anyone this late in the eve. I knew I should've gone trail riding intead of siting on this chair... (At least the horse wouldn't get mad at me thinkin he'd be better off if he could live with his herd)

stay cool!
I'll come back when FFXIII's released in Europe rofl!

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/JesusBlewMeOnce/1225937335179.jpg

Wtf?

Tell you what, why don't you, leave the forums, go trail riding, fall off, and break your neck so that your horses can tear out your stomach. <3333 :wub:

All I get from you angry answers at my casual talk is that you're all fu*** up.
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/JesusBlewMeOnce/lolol.jpg

Secondly, I had to read through your post twice, it was strangley difficult to read. You obviously haven't seen enough of the world to figure out how to speak in English :wub:

Oh and

(At least the horse wouldn't get mad at me thinkin he'd be better off if he could live with his herd)

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[Neal]

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/JesusBlewMeOnce/1225937335179.jpg

Wtf?

Tell you what, why don't you, leave the forums, go trail riding, fall off, and break your neck so that your horses can tear out your stomach. <3333 :wub:


http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/JesusBlewMeOnce/lolol.jpg

Secondly, I had to read through your post twice, it was strangley difficult to read. You obviously haven't seen enough of the world to figure out how to speak in English :wub:

Oh and



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JOIN US, AND FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT <3

[Milanor]

Im straight. I don't really like gays as my friend because I want a GIRL to flirt with me not a guy. But I respect gays because I am peaceful.

[Esagan]

Im straight. I don't really like gays as my friend because I want a GIRL to flirt with me not a guy. But I respect gays because I am peaceful.

Ooooh, you're what I call a sterotypical cunt swipe!

You know, you're not a good person because you "respect" gays. If anything, it makes you worse. Atleast homophobes admit to hating gays instead of just avoiding them as friends.

Omg, you're a fucking retard.

The only reason you "respect" them is because you know that if you told one you hated them, you think you'd get right hooked.

You really reckon every gay is going to flirt with you? what makes you think you're so attractive?

You may not realize but not every gay is how Little Britain portrays them you retard. Not all of them want to suck every guys cock. they're normal people who like the same sex. I hate you already.

[Neal]

Im straight. I don't really like gays as my friend because I want a GIRL to flirt with me not a guy. But I respect gays because I am peaceful.

Wow, you think pretty highly of yourself. What makes you think that every game man will fall in love with you or flirt with you? Or anyone that is just your friend for that matter? Judging from that attitiude you're ugly as shit.

Pretty funny how you said you respect gays at the end to make yourself seem like a good person, but now I think you're even more a retard :wtf: Avoiding someone because of a their sexuality isn't respecting them at all, it's the exactly opposite. For such a retarded reason as well, you sound like your opinions have been heavily influcenced by someone or you really are quite stupid. You probably wont bother to reply, but please elaborate :aldo:

Couldn't have put it better than Esagan <3

[Wandering Hands]

Well, personally, I like how heavily he emphasised his preference for females.

Need a mothball for your closet, there, Milanor?

[Sabin]

Ok, so I didn't read much of what was posted. But I'll tell you I'm straight and I do not like gays.

I could tell you that I have no problem with them, but that would be a lie.

[Kitmitsu]

Ok, so I didn't read much of what was posted. But I'll tell you I'm straight and I do not like gays.

I could tell you that I have no problem with them, but that would be a lie.

Fair enough. Care to elaborate why you don't like them?

[Sabin]

Ok. Here we go. I'll sya it first so we get this clear. I do not like gay people but this this not mean every single homosexual.

I'll start with the first reason. I know you guys won't accept it. I'm a Christian and that's one of the main reasons I do not like them. (Note. I don't like them, this has nothing to do with actually hating them.)

The second reason, makes more sense for a person who does not believe in a God. Biological reasons. Two men or two women can not produce a child. In a way this an abnormality.

______________

Why i do not hate gay people: They can't help it. If you are a man and fall in love with another man, there's not much you could do about it. I am well aware of this.

The second reason why I do not hate homosexuals is that they're like everyone else otherwise, and no one has ever harmed me in any way.


I can't help it. I do not feel comfortable amongst them. Especially those who have to shove it in you face and act like annoying fucks. Then we have these people who acts normally and I have no problems with them. Where I work we have a few gay customers. They are no different than others, but then again they act like normal folk.
There's a store that sells fancy clothes and the owner is gay - I still buy all my clothes there because the guy really has style and very good taste in clothes.

In other words it's the pride mentality that annoys me. "We're here and queer" shit just annoys me.

[Kätharina]

Ok. Here we go. I'll sya it first so we get this clear. I do not like gay people but this this not mean every single homosexual.

I'll start with the first reason. I know you guys won't accept it. I'm a Christian and that's one of the main reasons I do not like them. (Note. I don't like them, this has nothing to do with actually hating them.)

The second reason, makes more sense for a person who does not believe in a God. Biological reasons. Two men or two women can not produce a child. In a way this an abnormality.

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Why i do not hate gay people: They can't help it. If you are a man and fall in love with another man, there's not much you could do about it. I am well aware of this.

The second reason why I do not hate homosexuals is that they're like everyone else otherwise, and no one has ever harmed me in any way.


I can't help it. I do not feel comfortable amongst them. Especially those who have to shove it in you face and act like annoying fucks. Then we have these people who acts normally and I have no problems with them. Where I work we have a few gay customers. They are no different than others, but then again they act like normal folk.
There's a store that sells fancy clothes and the owner is gay - I still buy all my clothes there because the guy really has style and very good taste in clothes.

In other words it's the pride mentality that annoys me. "We're here and queer" shit just annoys me.

Are you actually close friends with anybody that is a homosexual. I know you are justifying your reasons into why you do and do not hate the gay community. Just it seems like you haven't got to even look past the stereotypical view of a homosexual.

As for placing your Christianity as a point within this doesn't justify anything, especially when you put this.

(Note. I don't like them, this has nothing to do with actually hating them.)

If it has nothing to do with not liking the gay community, then why place it or even write it within your post?
I know religion has its part within homosexuality, but it's not the best example to give, definatly when you place that snippet at the end. You just completely contradict what you placed before hand. Considering the Bible basically condemns any homosexual behavior.

I also fail to see how its an abnormality. Are they born with such a sexual preference? Making it seem like a birth defect.
Your basically comparing and singling us with that of people which are born with such defects.

Are we thought so low that are compared to people who are EXACTLY LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, yet treated in such difference that we are placed piratically like second class citizens?

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

@Sabin: I'm a bit confused. You only hate the flamboyant, ones-that-shove-their-sexuality-in-your-face gays?

Oh, there it is again! That infamous biological card. I see it all the bloody time, and it absolutely flabbergasts me seeing as how it's possibly the most moot excuse ever to be brought up to be intolerent towards homosexuals.

What's it to you that they can't reproduce? You pull the abnormal card (I'll refrain from debating over homosexuality being an abnormal issue), so it can also be said that you automatically dislike anyone with some sort of deficiency? I'm also assuming you dislike people who choose not to have children, either?

Stick to your religious card OK, but pulling up the biological bollocks is...stupid for lack of a better word and makes little to no sense, especially since it has shit to do with you.

Has the world not heard of infertile women either? Sheesh.

[Sabin]

Hate and dislike is not the same. There are people I can talk to that I dislike. If I hate someone I do not even want to see that person. In the Swedish language hate and dislike differ very much.

Edit:
Let's completey disregard from religious beliefs. We'll end up insulting eachother. Let's focus on what you said.

To answer the above post. Why the fuck does it count as an abnormality when two animals are gay? Yes, I went there. I've seen studies about animals being attracted to the same gender.
Arem't we fucking animals?

I didn't want to offend anybody, but only because one person has problems with homosexuals doesn't mean he has to be jumped on. Clearly you did not get my point. I know a few gay people, but as long as they shut the fuck up about it, it's fine with me. The same way I shut the fuck up about my religion.

People can be gay all they want - it's just I'm annoyed by the pride mentality.

[Wandering Hands]

Jesus, again.

Adoption.
Surrogacy.

The only reasons a lot of gay people can't have children is because a lot of countries have laws restricting it. In fact, most of Australia says that if I wanted a child (of course the idea of me being a mother is hilarious anyway) I would have to do so by having sexual intercourse with a man, because homosexual adoptions are illegal in all states except for Western Australia (oh, so I can have one) and the Australian Capital Territory. Fortunately, most states allow surrogacy to female couples only. As for the gay men? Australia, one of the leading nations of the world basically says "Fuck you, door's over there."

Next person who says "I don't like them because they don't/can't reproduce", I'm gonna spend as much as I need on a plane ticket to go to your house and cut your balls off.

Fuck...

[Esagan]

Ok. Here we go. I'll sya it first so we get this clear. I do not like gay people but this this not mean every single homosexual.

I'll start with the first reason. I know you guys won't accept it. I'm a Christian and that's one of the main reasons I do not like them. (Note. I don't like them, this has nothing to do with actually hating them.)


And the only line I kn ow from the bible I Love Thy Neighbour so you're already going down to lava land.

The second reason, makes more sense for a person who does not believe in a God. Biological reasons. Two men or two women can not produce a child. In a way this an abnormality. [/QUOTE]

Not a fair reason. Like what was said earlier, some women are infertile, does that mean you "dislike" them to? Because they certainly can't help it either


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Why i do not hate gay people: They can't help it. If you are a man and fall in love with another man, there's not much you could do about it. I am well aware of this.

You don't get a medal just yet.


The second reason why I do not hate homosexuals is that they're like everyone else otherwise, and no one has ever harmed me in any way.

So if one gay guy bum raped you for some apparent reason or stabbed you, you would hate ALL gay people?



I can't help it. I do not feel comfortable amongst them. Especially those who have to shove it in you face and act like annoying fucks. Then we have these people who acts normally and I have no problems with them. Where I work we have a few gay customers. They are no different than others, but then again they act like normal folk.

But isn't it the same for straight men who try and hit on lesbians all the time? Why should straight men/woman be allowed to shove their sexuality in homosexual's face and not the other way around?

There's a store that sells fancy clothes and the owner is gay - I still buy all my clothes there because the guy really has style and very good taste in clothes.

Yes because we all know that if you didn't buy something liked from the store, just because the owner was gay, you'd be a total moron 0_o.

In other words it's the pride mentality that annoys me. "We're here and queer" shit just annoys me.

But why shouldn't they be proud of what they are? They should have the right to dress how they want, speak how they want and even wear gait pink feathers in their hair if they wanted to.

Hate and dislike is not the same. There are people I can talk to that I dislike. If I hate someone I do not even want to see that person. In the Swedish language hate and dislike differ very much.

So even if a gay guy was the nicest person you'd ever meet. Had loads in common, had a good laugh etc, you'd still dislike him just for his love interests?

Edit:
Let's completey disregard from religious beliefs. We'll end up insulting eachother. Let's focus on what you said.

Or start some wars.

To answer the above post. Why the fuck does it count as an abnormality when two animals are gay? Yes, I went there. I've seen studies about animals being attracted to the same gender.
Aren't we fucking animals? [QUOTE]

Animals may be counted as abnormal when they like a bit of cock, but if that's true to apply, then why don't we take shit's on our on our floor?
Why don't we sniff in each others asshole's in the middle of the park and then piss on someone's bench?

Yes we're animals, but most of us by now have learnt to put aside natural born instinct unlike animals who know from instinct until taught by humans or in the wild.

[QUOTE]I didn't want to offend anybody, but only because one person has problems with homosexuals doesn't mean he has to be jumped on. Clearly you did not get my point. I know a few gay people, but as long as they shut the fuck up about it, it's fine with me. The same way I shut the fuck up about my religion.

LOL, so you believe being Gay and having a religion are in the same category?

If you met some nice girl, and you wanted to tell your friend about her and he listened real carefully and thoughtfully, but then reveals he's gay, you'd want him to stfu about it?

Religon is a pretty tasty subject around here, try making a thread, see what happens ^^

People can be gay all they want - it's just I'm annoyed by the pride mentality.

And why shouldn't a gay person be proud of being what they want?

If you don't like people being free, live in Iraq. You can be "disliked" as a Christian over there just how your disliking gays, over here ^^. Except with a 7.62 round to the head <3

[Kätharina]

Hate and dislike is not the same. There are people I can talk to that I dislike. If I hate someone I do not even want to see that person. In the Swedish language hate and dislike differ very much.

Edit:
Let's completey disregard from religious beliefs. We'll end up insulting eachother. Let's focus on what you said.

To answer the above post. Why the fuck does it count as an abnormality when two animals are gay? Yes, I went there. I've seen studies about animals being attracted to the same gender.
Arem't we fucking animals?

I didn't want to offend anybody, but only because one person has problems with homosexuals doesn't mean he has to be jumped on. Clearly you did not get my point. I know a few gay people, but as long as they shut the fuck up about it, it's fine with me. The same way I shut the fuck up about my religion.

People can be gay all they want - it's just I'm annoyed by the pride mentality.

WE KNOW WE ARE ANIMALS, WE ARE A FUCKING SPECIES. Don't pull some evolutionary shit on us thinking you can ultimately win this debate by assuming you can try to offend us by logical truth dumb ass.
I'm also pretty sure i saw two male lions copulating at some point don't fucking piss me off with such shit.

Why the fuck does it count as an abnormality when two animals are gay?

Why are you asking that fucking question when you basically stated being a homosexual as in line with HAVING AN ABNORMALITY.

I didn't want to offend anybody, but only because one person has problems with homosexuals doesn't mean he has to be jumped on. Clearly you did not get my point. I know a few gay people, but as long as they shut the fuck up about it, it's fine with me. The same way I shut the fuck up about my religion.

I got your point. Don't patronize me. You are not being jumped on. This is a serious discussion thread, if you didn't want other peoples fucking opinions then don't god damn well post here.

Well apparently you didn't 'shut the fuck up' about your religion, you pulled the Christian card, stop bullshitting.
The only reason Gay Pride is there is because its a search for equal rights along with being able to NOT be discriminated because of other peoples fucking ignorance.
If you do not like having to listen to other people's views on THEIR OWN sexuality, then just FUCKING IGNORE IT.

Obviously it must be so fucking difficult for you because the Gay community are always trying to jump on you and rape you with their homosexual ways.

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

To answer the above post. Why the fuck does it count as an abnormality when two animals are gay? Yes, I went there. I've seen studies about animals being attracted to the same gender.
Arem't we fucking animals? I wasn't even talking about abnomorality being an issue, and even said I was disregarding the subject seeing as how that wasn't the point I was trying to get across and neither did I want to engage into touchy debates. I was only questioining 'your logic' as to what you said about reproduction being an excuse to dislike gays.

Oh, and I've heard plenty about gay animals too, but I've never seen it classified as an abnormality, especially since their enviroment is well different from ours.

I didn't want to offend anybody, but only because one person has problems with homosexuals doesn't mean he has to be jumped on. Clearly you did not get my point. I know a few gay people, but as long as they shut the fuck up about it, it's fine with me. The same way I shut the fuck up about my religion.That is why I asked. You think I'm jumping down your thoart just because I question a flimsy, void and moot statement in your post?

I was solely poking at your "biological" excuse as you yourself put it:

The second reason, makes more sense for a person who does not believe in a God. Biological reasons. Two men or two women can not produce a child. In a way this an abnormality.It's absolutely flawed and makes no sense. Stick to your religious excuse for all I care, but bringing up the reproduction issue as an argument to dislike gays? That's basically also refuting straight infertiile women who can't have children, it makes no sense whatsoever and doesn't even regard you. What does reproduction have to do with anything, seriously?! I never understood this statement! And it's brought up all the time!

[Sabin]

Man, stfu. If someone came out of the closet and told me he/she is gay I would care and listen.
I don't mean it like that. But if you do not understand what I mean, let's leave it at that.

Also, as I've stated I do know gay people, but they are not my best friends. Not because they are actually gay, because they were not my best friends in the first place.

So if one gay guy bum raped you for some apparent reason or stabbed you, you would hate ALL gay people?

FFS, I'm just saying, they are like you and me in everyday life. I've not had any troubles with any gay people or straight people. I just don't get myself into trouble.



So even if a gay guy was the nicest person you'd ever meet. Had loads in common, had a good laugh etc, you'd still dislike him just for his love interests?


I don't know, do I? I haven't met him/her yet.

If you met some nice girl, and you wanted to tell your friend about her and he listened real carefully and thoughtfully, but then reveals he's gay, you'd want him to stfu about it?

Again, this is not the case I'm talking about.

I'm talking about someone rubbing it in your face that he/she is gay. They are a very small minority. There would come up a girl in school all of a sudden and tell me she's gay. I didn't even know her, wtf do I care?

If someone I know came to me to tell me he/she is gay, it's a totally different thing.

[Esagan]

They are a very small minority. There would come up a girl in school all of a sudden and tell me she's gay. I didn't even know her, wtf do I care?

Same for Christians who come to you with leaflets in the street. "DO YOU WISH TO BE FREE OF SIN? LOL"?

No thank you.

That girl at your school is fucking weird. Doesn't mean you should "dislike" gays.

And you haven't made yourself clear on the whole "Rubbing it in your face" thing.

Do you mean people who dress like something from the cabaret or someone who tells you they're gay non stop?

[Wandering Hands]

Hey, Sabin, guess what? I like women. I would gladly grab one and perform lewd acts in front of you. Do you know why? Because I am proud to admit who I am. ... Okay, so my family doesn't know, but with a Catholic father, that's a hump I've not quite gotten over yet...

It was a point I just saw on another forum. Why can't people be proud of their sexual orientation? People can be proud of other people, their religion, their achievements in life, their skills, their country. Why is sexual orientation different? To be honest, someone could rave about how straight they are, and I wouldn't give a shit.

People are proud of so many different things, most of them mundane and relevant only to them, but they still are. I'm not going to go and tell someone who's proud of being 6'5" and good at basketball to shut the fuck up, because great for them, they have a physical attribute and a skill to compliment it.

But gay pride is a different issue because of the ongoing discrimination in the world. 40 years ago, people would have said, "Well, I don't care that they're black, I just don't want them to rub it in my face." Go out and say that now and you are considered to be on the lowest tier of society. If we have made large progress in the fields of gender, racial, and even financial and educational differences, why should homosexuality be left behind?

There is, rightfully, no "it's not natural" excuse, there isn't even a viable "God says it's bad" excuse. It's society lagging in an important issue for the equality of every member of the human race, and people who actively go out of their way to express their dislike, hate, or disgust of gays aren't helping the issue at all.

[Sabin]

Do you mean people who dress like something from the cabaret or someone who tells you they're gay non stop?

This is what I'm talking about.

People can be proud of whatever they want. They can wear what they want. It's not like I go out on the streets and say "Kill homosexuals.) I just don't have much interaction with them. There's like 30 people in this town that I know are gay. I speak with maybe 2 of them. So what? Is that discriminating? I don't know. I knew these people before they came out of the closetand there's no reason for me to cut them off.

If I meet someone and we become close friends, and after a year he tells me he's gay, I wouldn't ditch him. But that doesn't mean it doesn't bother me.


We could go on forever and I'd still feel the same.

Same for Christians who come to you with leaflets in the street. "DO YOU WISH TO BE FREE OF SIN? LOL"?

Actually I do agree. I dislike that very much.

[Esagan]

This is what I'm talking about.

People can be proud of whatever they want. They can wear what they want. It's not like I go out on the streets and say "Kill homosexuals.) I just don't have much interaction with them. There's like 30 people in this town that I know are gay. I speak with maybe 2 of them. So what? Is that discriminating? I don't know. I knew these people before they came out of the closetand there's no reason for me to cut them off.

If I meet someone and we become close friends, and after a year he tells me he's gay, I wouldn't ditch him. But that doesn't mean it doesn't bother me.


We could go on forever and I'd still feel the same.

So apart from their choice in partner, what has changed about them?

[Neal]

Ok. Here we go. I'll sya it first so we get this clear. I do not like gay people but this this not mean every single homosexual.

I'll start with the first reason. I know you guys won't accept it. I'm a Christian and that's one of the main reasons I do not like them. (Note. I don't like them, this has nothing to do with actually hating them.)

The second reason, makes more sense for a person who does not believe in a God. Biological reasons. Two men or two women can not produce a child. In a way this an abnormality.

"Love thy neighbour"? If you dislike gays for a religious reason then whatever, thats your own personal belief and to have my own respected I in turn respect yours when put across in a reasonable manner. Just as you hate the gay pride I hate the fucktards that don't like gays because "they want to bum me", etc. That's just fucking retarded.

Do you dislike infertile people too then? Since they can't have a child either. Say two infertile people marry, is that just as bad?

Clearly you did not get my point. I know a few gay people, but as long as they shut the fuck up about it, it's fine with me. That's why people jumped on you. "Seen and not heard"? Please. I don't even know what to say to that, it's just stupid. People have the right to do, dress, behave and be whatever they like. Does a public display of affection count? Would you find that offensive or dislike anyone who did it?

I think the idea of a big wizzard creating the world and everything being happy smiles is absurd. Honestly, I think its completely and utterly stupid to waste your life praying to someone/something which has very little proof of actually being real. I don't judge a friend or whatever on their beliefs though until they try to change the way I live my life. If I was friends with a religo and they kept it to themselves then yeah, fair enough, and if they went on about church or god or whatever then yeah thats tolerable to an extent. What I'm saying is if it doesnt effect you or your life then why let it bother you?

If someone I know came to me to tell me he/she is gay, it's a totally different thing. Thats what he's asking.

Much love Shuyu, I agree completely. <3

[Wandering Hands]

This is what I'm talking about.

Look, if you just said that you disliked SOME gay people because of their personalities ON THE WHOLE, then that would be fine.

But you're deliberately stating your belief that their orientation makes their personality as the reason you dislike them. You don't have to be bang up on gays, but you're just spouting discriminatory bullshit and hiding it behind "Oh, it's not that I have a problem with them, it's just..."

I, honestly, flaunt my lesbianism quite excessively. I flirt like there's no tomorrow, I state freely who I find attractive. On that basis, you probably wouldn't like me. Otherwise, you could like every aspect of my personality (hah!), but because you single out my homosexuality as the reason for it, then no chance.

Just go back to saying that homosexuality is bad because the Good Book told you so, it'd be so much better for you.

[Sabin]

"Oh, it's not that I have a problem with them, it's just..."

I'm telling you I have a problem. There's no "just..."
I can understand that you as a homosexual gets pissed off at me. And by all means, hate me all you want. I deserve it, I know.


But the question is - should I tell you I like gay people if I actually do not?

[Wandering Hands]

No, actually, I don't get pissed off at you because I'm a lesbian. I don't get pissed off with racists because I'm black or Hispanic, because I'm white. I get pissed off because I think it's wrong.

Shit, you're right, there is no "just..." to your dislike. Oh, wait a minute.
I know a few gay people, but as long as they shut the fuck up about it, it's fine with me.

"As long as they shut the fuck up about it, it's fine with me."

Sounds awfully similar to "I don't have a problem, it's just..."

You need to work out what the bloody hell you're trying to say. I'm not going to hate you for your opinion, think whatever the fuck you want. I'm going to hate you because of the way you're attempting to communicate your opinion.

[Sabin]

^See, this is the problem. As you can clearly I can not perfectly phrase what It is I want to say.

I know a few gay people, but as long as they shut the fuck up about it, it's fine with me.

Yes this was something I should have not said. Let me rephrase it.
I know a few gay people, but as long as they don't tell me this non stop, it's fine with me.

[Neal]

Two hugely different statements there. "Gay people should shut the fuck up and never speak of their sexuality when I'm around" is not the same as "Id rather not hear about it".

Slightly more agressive don't you think?

[Sabin]

As I said, I do agree that it was a stupid statement. And I regret it. But my view is still the same.
I'll be more careful with how I articulate myself in the future.

[Wandering Hands]

Then if you're having issues figuring out what you want to say, don't you think you would have saved yourself a lot of grief if you hadn't said anything at all?

It's not that you can't have an opinion, you just have to be careful about how you present it, and if you don't think you can do it well, then you probably shouldn't bother.

[Sabin]

Problem is I do like debating, giving my opinion or whatever, I just don't want the language barrier stopping me from doing that. I can't say I'm a natural in the English language.

But, I'm going way off topic now. I'll let the discussion stay on topic.

[Whiplash]

*reads thread*

*moves it back to Serious Discussion*

The exile is at an end!

[SUPER JAM]

Sexuality may not be defined as serious discussion sometimes...

whatever u r , just be good citizen is enough :thumbsup:

[Mr. Gorilla]

My opinion, all wrapped up in a nutshell, is quoted from another post I made on another forum below. Basically, there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, but the people who support equal rights for homosexuals must avoid hypocrisy by naturally using prejudiced slurs even when they're not necessarily talking about homosexuals. There is also a difference between being "homosexual" and "flamboyant," which was the major point of the post I am quoting; one should not try to fulfill a stereotype so that he/she can make a statement. A "gay culture" of tight pants and flamingo outfits is just as ridiculous as a "straight culture" of sports-lovin' macho men.

I've seen how some people act here, and it's abominable. No, no; it's not because they're part of the LGBT crowd. I know people- both in real life and on other sites- that fall under that category. The reason they're acting abominable is because they state they're part of the LGBT crowd and act like complete morons. The way they act would truly disgust the real homosexuals that have fought so long for their rights, only to not be granted them because a minority of stereotypes get all of the attention.

I'm not pointing out any names here. It could be one, it could be many; or, it could be none. The point behind this topic is to get you to think. You see, there is a big difference between "flamboyance" and "homosexuality." A great way to describe this would be this one British comedy skit that was described on the internet by someone a while ago (I never saw it because, of course, I live in the USA). Here it goes:

There's this guy obsessed with "gay culture." When people get annoyed at how annoying he is or question him, this man just claims that they're ignorant and "homophobic", and don't understand that "he's gay." However, the ironic thing about this is that everyone in his town is gay. And, to make it even more interesting, it is suggested that he- the man who is so offended about people not embracing him for being a "true homosexual"- isn't even gay at all, but rather, acting the way he is acting just for the sake of fulfilling the gay stereotype.

Now, of course, I advise you to remember that homosexuals are still seen negatively in the public eye. In the USA- especially in the South- homosexuals are still criticized for just being the way they are. In other countries, you could be hanged for just implying that you are gay. However, there is a third reason for the ongoing prejudice against homosexuals, aside from the widespread publicity of the stereotypes and the ancient (Yet pointless) hatreds held toward gays.

The hypocrites.

You see, plenty of straight people are beginning to accept and defend gays, and this is a great thing. However, even though they are defending them in one place, they often say terrible things in other places, without even thinking about it. I admit, I am guilty of using the term "gay" inappropriately in joking situations, and am trying to move away from that. I may not be guilty of using the term "faggot" (Which is nearly as bad as the "N" word), but I am still guilty of using "actual homosexuality" in joking situations from time-to-time (Actual homosexuality as in making fun of someone for idolizing a certain singer and saying, "Why don't you go make out with him or something?). I understand that it is just joking, but you must remember: people receive things differently than from other people. Some people are still bigots, and using homosexuality jokingly would merely further their bigotry. You could say that "it's just their problem, they need to get over it," but it isn't that simple. It isn't very simple at all to relieve society from a mindset that it held for thousands of years, dictating that a certain group of people are an "abomination." In order to help society, we must watch what we say; we're all guilty of using terminology inappropriately, but it isn't too late to change.

Now, if you're unwilling to read all of that above, here's a simple question for any young homosexuals that may be reading this topic:

Who are you going to be? Are you going to be an overly flamboyant, deluded clown devoting his entire lifestyle to his sexuality, or are you going to live a life filled with variety like others, with the difference being that you are attracted to people of your own sex?

Alright, I think that's enough to start up a discussion. Have at it.

[ag Fuireacht]

WAIT A COTTON-PICKIN SECOND!

I wish homophobic people would stop hiding behind religion! :(
I'm gay and I'm also religious, I go to mass every Sunday and consider myself a devout catholic and I know that my denomination isn't exactly open armed for the fagaroonies at the mo but thats just cause the popes a dickhead! God forgive me...
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anyway let's leave religion out of it ^_^

i kno its not just the popes fault i've just got issues with him don't worry guys we're workin them out.

[Dream Machine]

WAIT A COTTON-PICKIN SECOND!

I wish homophobic people would stop hiding behind religion! :(
I'm gay and I'm also religious, I go to mass every Sunday and consider myself a devout catholic and I know that my denomination isn't exactly open armed for the fagaroonies at the mo but thats just cause the popes a dickhead! God forgive me...
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anyway let's leave religion out of it ^_^

i kno its not just the popes fault i've just got issues with him don't worry guys we're workin them out.

Leave religion out of it? That's ridiculous. Homophobia make no sense outside of a religious context. Yeah you see some random atheists who use lie-ence to try and justify some dumbass points of view, but their distaste is conditioned from birth by living in a society with Abrahmic religious values at it's core (or 'why do atheists get married?').

Not to be rude, but when people try to be a part of a religion that so obviously hates them, I have to question their motives. I suppose growing up in a religious household has a huge effect, but come on... cognitive dissonance is silly.

[Mr. Gorilla]

Leave religion out of it? That's ridiculous. Homophobia make no sense outside of a religious context. Yeah you see some random atheists who use lie-ence to try and justify some dumbass points of view, but their distaste is conditioned from birth by living in a society with Abrahmic religious values at it's core (or 'why do atheists get married?').

Not that I care, but it isn't too hard to imagine why an atheist might not like the concept of homosexuality. Maybe they think the idea of anal sex is disgusting, for instance.

[sobchack]

yeah dude, everyone is a little homophobic, even if they don't mean anything by it

[ag Fuireacht]

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Leave religion out of it? That's ridiculous. Homophobia make no sense outside of a religious context. Yeah you see some random atheists who use lie-ence to try and justify some dumbass points of view, but their distaste is conditioned from birth by living in a society with Abrahmic religious values at it's core (or 'why do atheists get married?').


I'm sorry but I don't agree with your conviction that homophobia makes no sense outside of a religious context, if something is ridiculous - that is:wacko:
Maybe organised religion has recently (talking about thousands of years here) demonised homosexuality, but organised religion is not the be all and end all of religion! Religion is essentially about believing in something more, however improbable, and in loving and respecting everyone!
Also if your going to nitpick at religion to try and demonise it your just as bad as those nutters who quote even nuttier people like Leviticus to try and justify their hatred.

Oh yeh, and my beliefs are not conflicting I have faith and the Catholic church is just a medium through which to express it, because it is not these minute details (such as their outlook on sexuality) which are important in the long run. And they are tolerant not hating (which I know is kinda shitty but jus sayin')

[Dream Machine]

Not that I care, but it isn't too hard to imagine why an atheist might not like the concept of homosexuality. Maybe they think the idea of anal sex is disgusting, for instance.

That's bizarre, when I think of heterosexuality my first instinct isn't to think of vaginal intercourse. That's a cultural thing which stems from an obsession of what's going on in the bedroom of people, a leftover from Greater Europe's puritanical past. Bit of a simplification but you get my drift. Anal sex =/= homosexuality.

I read a study once that indicated that over 30% of gay/bisexual men never had anal sex as it wasn't their preference... defining a sexuality by a specific sexual act is a bit silly (don't think you were doing that, but it just points out the strangeness of those God-denying gay-haters).

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Leave religion out of it? That's ridiculous. Homophobia make no sense outside of a religious context. Yeah you see some random atheists who use lie-ence to try and justify some dumbass points of view, but their distaste is conditioned from birth by living in a society with Abrahmic religious values at it's core (or 'why do atheists get married?').


I'm sorry but I don't agree with your conviction that homophobia makes no sense outside of a religious context, if something is ridiculous - that is:wacko:
Maybe organised religion has recently (talking about thousands of years here) demonised homosexuality, but organised religion is not the be all and end all of religion! Religion is essentially about believing in something more, however improbable, and in loving and respecting everyone!
Also if your going to nitpick at religion to try and demonise it your just as bad as those nutters who quote even nuttier people like Leviticus to try and justify their hatred.

Oh yeh, and my beliefs are not conflicting I have faith and the Catholic church is just a medium through which to express it, because it is not these minute details (such as their outlook on sexuality) which are important in the long run. And they are tolerant not hating (which I know is kinda shitty but jus sayin')

If you're talking about a belief in God being compatible with 'alternative' (pfff) sexualities than I agree wholeheartedly, I mainly just have beef with Abrahamic organized religions.

Still, even if you protest that you've made the Catholic religion be able to fit into your own parameter's, of what I understand about Catholicism isn't the pope the be-all and end-all? Can't really sidestep him can you?

When it comes to Christianity in general I think it's more vague, though it errs on the side of 'burn faggot burn'.

[Neal]

yeah dude, everyone is a little homophobic, even if they don't mean anything by it
Uh, not everyone.

[CaptainCortez]

Straight lol, but yea, why go gay when you'll miss the curves of a girl? XD

Ha, on a serious note, I dunno, I must live in fairytale land or something.

I'm always nice to everyone unless they give me reason not to be. I don't do one night stands, don't sleep around, and haven't slept with anyone in general, as I just want to find the right girl, but it seems the majority of girls and boys just go out for one thing, so there go my hopes.

I'm not religious or anything like that. Just, in my life I always make my own decisions about what's right and wrong.

I'm 21, been cheated on a lot to such a point where I can't even be arsed to go out with anyone anymore, due to so many girls either leaving me for someone else or just cheating on me and thinking it's alright, and then using whatever insecurities I have of my own against me in the break up.

I'm not a bad looking person from what I can tell by any means. It's just that I must have bad luck, as I seem to attract the wrong people.

I've just always wanted someone to love, who loves me back for who I am, and doesn't lead me on for ages, then decide they're going to see someone else.

I dunno, I have no faith anymore with it. Seems like finding nice people is nyw on impossible, and it's a hard thing to take in, when I've been so set in my way of wanting to find someone who I can love, and share our first experiences together etc.

Probably sounds pansy-ish, but whatev.

I dunno, maybe there are nice girls with dignity out there, the same for there are nice guys, as I'm one of them, and have some decent mates, and some of them have similar views to me as well.

Maybe it's just a case of having to find them, but then it's like finding a needle in a haystack with this world. Lol, sorry if the way I see things have put any of you down. ;)

Used to get called gay all of my life, due to my last name having that word in it, but that's just immature people for you.

I only got called it because of that reason, and the fact that I was quiet, and got bullied and hit etc everyday of my life from the age of 4 to 16, until one day out of the blue, I just went psycho and hit everyone back, until all the bullying pretty much came to a stop, but then they deserved it.

Hmm, which is also another thing. I know it's off topic, but if any of you are being bullied, just from somewhere get the confidence to fight back and defend yourself. People will lay off after a while, and if they don't, well, just flip out at them.....just don't try and fight back when there's a group of them and only one of you.

Being bullied is a nasty thing, but later in life you may use that to become a more confident person. :)

I was shy once upon a time....too scared to be in a room full of people. I'd shake with nerves etc, but then when I left school, I decided to ditch all of my so called friends, apart from my best mates, and start a fresh in college, and that was the biggest and best choice I made in my life. It got me a lot of confidence, and I have no problem asking girls out now.

I used to as girls would come up to me in school, ask me out, wait for me to say yes, and then say yea right, as if I'd go out with a freak/geek etc like you, when I was none of that lol.

Just use whatever as a strength, but yea, sorry strayed a bit off topic there.

At the end of the day, just be whatever you want to be, and sod what anyone else thinks of you.

It's you who should be happy. ;)

[Neal]

Tell me your last name :wtf:

[Luriana]

Tell me your last name :wtf:

THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY? asdf :aldo:

[Mr. Gorilla]

That's bizarre, when I think of heterosexuality my first instinct isn't to think of vaginal intercourse.

Maybe not vaginal intercourse specifically, but I don't see how one couldn't think about sexual attraction, sexual fetishism, or sexual intercourse when talking about sexuality in general. Because that's all sexuality and sex is, really.

But you're right in that no one should really care. What they do on their own time in private is their own business, and the more gossipy society gets, the more nutjobs that I mentioned in my original post in this thread appear.

[RMC]

I'm gay. And I don't really know much at all to say about the topic besides that. I personally see me being gay as just one very small aspect of my life. There's many, many, many other things that define me for who I am.

I found it odd after awhile when I first came out last year that once I started to tell people about myself. I started to think "why am I doing this does it really matter?" Cause in all honesty I feel like it is just something that if someone asks me! Then yeah ok I'll be like "yeah I'm gay". But I don't know I just find how some people treat the topic, ridiculous.

All I can say is, "We all just want to live our lives!" so yeah. . . :awesome:

[Nagase]

I HATE GHEYZ COS DEY R ALL GHEY LOAWL COS MY RELIGHEN TOLDSS ME DAT UR GOEN TO HELL AND URE GOEN TO BERN LAWL.

[sobchack]

Uh, not everyone.
everyone who isn't gay

[Neal]

everyone who isn't gay
No you're still wrong. :lol:

[sobchack]

homophobic as in dislikes watching two members of the same sex do it.

[Mr. Gorilla]

homophobic as in dislikes watching two members of the same sex do it.

Homophobic really isn't that accurate of a word to use; it implies "fear" of homosexuals, not "hate." But we'll use it here just 'cause it's so commonly used to imply "hate" of homosexuals.

There's a difference between disliking watching two members of the same sex have sex and hating homosexuals; no homosexual is going to ask you to watch him/her have sex with another.

Unless he/she's some gay porn actor or something like that, and you're the cameraman.

[sobchack]

Homophobia (from Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek) homós: one and the same; phóbos: fear, phobia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia)) is an irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality) or homosexuals.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#cite_note-Webster-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#cite_note-dictionary.com-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#cite_note-aol.com-2) Some definitions lack the "irrational" component.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#cite_note-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#cite_note-4)

[Wandering Hands]

homophobic as in dislikes watching two members of the same sex do it.

All the straight males who watch lesbian porn just sent me this letter saying that they'd like to disagree with you.

[Whiplash]

Yaoi fangirls are also upset.

[Neal]

homophobic as in dislikes watching two members of the same sex do it.
That's not what homophobic means.

[sobchack]

yes it is a form of homophobia. read my wikipedia quote

[Kätharina]

Now i know you wouldn't object to two women. fag.

[sobchack]

i mean like, if it was you, i definitely would object :)

[Nagase]

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/JesusBlewMeOnce/1224025076151.jpg

[Kätharina]

i mean like, if it was you, i definitely would object :)

Did i suggest it was me. :aldo:
Plus you have no idea what i look like naked. :wtf:

[Neal]

She ain't messin' with no broke nigga :wtf:

[Kätharina]

FLO-RIDA :awesome:

[shaffy_oppa]

Hopeless romantic <--->

[Neal]

Robocop <--->

[Kätharina]

David Shatnawww. <--->

[shaffy_oppa]

<-----> meaning both ways...

imature much?

[Neal]

Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent <--->

[Kätharina]

Beyonce <--->

[Luriana]

Cathryn <--->

[dilldoe]

:| male female female male female male female female man that mixed me up.

i would like to clarify for clarifications sake that i love boobies. :wub:

[Luriana]

:| male female female male female male female female man that mixed me up.

i would like to clarify for clarifications sake that i love boobies. :wub:

Like these:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5884/moobsqx2.jpg

[dilldoe]

:( somehow i knew that was coming. makes me sad. in my pants :'(

[Aurelia]

I love both men and women. I r bisexual. Currently going out with a lesbian.

[LOL]

I find both men and women equally attractive and I think some of my friends are pretty but I am still straight. I like all people equally despite their sexuality unless they give me a reason to kick their ass. 'nuff said.

[Luriana]

I find both men and women equally attractive and I think some of my friends are pretty but I am still straight. I like all people equally despite their sexuality unless they give me a reason to kick their ass. 'nuff said.

<333333333333

[Astraia]

I'm straight..

..and I'M ATTRACTED TO GAY GUYS.

[Neal]

LOL FAIL

[Thunder]

Not sure. Somehow I'm attracted by attracting people. But mostly I'm not attracted by nothing.

Also I've noted Shuyusexual is not an option between those u_u

[Devegas]

I'D SAY WHATEVER IT WANTS AT THE TIME AND HOW HOT THINGS ARE IN THE TIME OF YEAR

[Xero]

I'm straight. Every time a cute girl walks by I reminded why I'm straight. :D


Its obvious to tell what my orientation is. I'm straight and I'm homophobic.

For some reason I always read homophobic as being scared of gay people. I guess that may be understandable if you've ever been to prison. :lol:

[kingmickey]

yup am straight love the soft touch of a women and and there voices and they are simply hot and warm inside only downside they make no sense sometime but i could deal with it you women have too many perks!!!!!!!!

[shiva99]

straight~ most of this post FAIL~

[kiv]

Im straigt, I guess ... or at least I think that, meh. I dont really care much about it honestly.

I guess its quite funny, had a couple of girlfriends and some "adventures" or how you want to call that. On the other hand I like to kiss and touch men as well but hadnt a relationship with one. I just didnt meet one who I liked enough as a person. Just making out ~, but no sex until now. Yeah lesbians are damn hot, but good gracious two gay men kissing can also be quite intersting. I just think that girls look better overall although some guys are really beatiful, hot whatever.

Theres just that little obstacle for me, cause i dont like anal at all and get kind of bored when getting a blowjob but its fine the other way around. So i could have some problems having sex with a guy, kind of one sided and not much possible variations.

And its hilarious how people try to explain their homophobia with arguments as religion and abnormality.

[Neal]

I'm straight. Every time a cute girl walks by I reminded why I'm straight. :D




For some reason I always read homophobic as being scared of gay people. I guess that may be understandable if you've ever been to prison. :lol:
That's what it means. A Phobia is a fear of something.

[Luriana]

And its hilarious how people try to explain their homophobia with arguments as religion and abnormality.

So far, all homophobes I know are religious in some way. And their arguments are so full of fail.

[sobchack]

SO full of fail the fail bottled just flooded

[Luriana]

SO full of fail the fail bottled just flooded

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/319047856_dbf1ef3e92.jpg

[Sabin]

So far, all homophobes I know are religious in some way. And their arguments are so full of fail.

I could say the opposite thing. Becuase most of my firends do not have faith in any God whatsoever, and some of them are homophobes.

[Wandering Hands]

I live in the tolerant nation of Australia, whose lands are girt by sea.

The only homophobes you encounter are weekends in Northbridge. But what gay person would go to Northbridge on a Saturday night? They're asking for it.

[Sabin]

You lost me.

But here in Sweden sexuality isn't that big of a deal. It's a very liberal country. Tomorrow a new bill is passed that allows gay people to get married in Church (if they want to).

Mostly it is people that think they are "tough" and "cool" that bother them. Even if I do have a problem with homosexuals I couldn't see myself harm anyone based on their chosen partner.

[Renzokuken]

The only thing I don't like about homosexuality is that it is perverse to nature, NOT saying that its gross or that gay people are worse then straight people or any other shit like that all I'm saying that it's impossible to pro-create via sexual intercourse if you and your partner are the same gender

[Thunder]

Perverse to nature?
You mean innatural?

[Nagase]

The only thing I don't like about homosexuality is that it is perverse to nature, NOT saying that its gross or that gay people are worse then straight people or any other shit like that all I'm saying that it's impossible to pro-create via sexual intercourse if you and your partner are the same gender

You could say it's the same as a man and woman who are infertile. Just because they can't have children doesn't give reason to not like them :rolleyes:

[Aurelia]

You could say it's the same as a man and woman who are infertile. Just because they can't have children doesn't give reason to not like them :rolleyes:

Those disgusting creatures. How dare they have a dysfunctional uterus/teste? Next thing you'll be telling me Childfree (childless by choice) couples have the same rights as baby producing heterosexuals.

[Kitmitsu]

Wearing a condom is "perverse to nature".

[Devegas]

no one's learned how to fix that yet

[Neal]

The only thing I don't like about homosexuality is that it is perverse to nature, NOT saying that its gross or that gay people are worse then straight people or any other shit like that all I'm saying that it's impossible to pro-create via sexual intercourse if you and your partner are the same gender
No shit. You don't think people only have sex to have a baby, do you? :wtf: What about using a condom, is that wrong as well?

[Nagase]

Those disgusting creatures. How dare they have a dysfunctional uterus/teste? Next thing you'll be telling me Childfree (childless by choice) couples have the same rights as baby producing heterosexuals.
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/JesusBlewMeOnce/1236457841278.jpg

[Devegas]

i'm not gonna say what i am, i'm actually gonna say i'm a horny person

[Yudus]

No shit. You don't think people only have sex to have a baby, do you? :wtf: What about using a condom, is that wrong as well?

Well, if you are religious, sex is suppose to be for reproduction purposes, but as you can see, society tends to bend many rules over the years.

[Aurelia]

Well, if you are religious, sex is suppose to be for reproduction purposes, but as you can see, society tends to bend many rules over the years.

People have been having sex for pleasure longer than since they discovered religion. So I don't see how we're bending any of these rules you speak of.

[Ordella]

Excuse me but,since when were there rules to begin with? Explanation plz.

Edit: Oh, Aurelia answered my question. :awesome:

[meteor]

Well, if you are religious, sex is suppose to be for reproduction purposes, but as you can see, society tends to BEND OVER MANY TIMES over the years.

:| i see ...........

[Renzokuken]

No shit. You don't think people only have sex to have a baby, do you? :wtf: What about using a condom, is that wrong as well?


I'm not saying people only have sex to have children. I'm saying the original point of sex was conception, and humans have twisted and turned it into a perverted act, with complete disregard for that. A prime example being homosexuality.

[Whiplash]

I call bullshit, even animals have sex just for funzies.
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=70466
I'm sure I saw something somewhere about monkeys masturbating but having already googled 'seal raping penguin' on the McDonald's WiFi, I'm reluctant to further alert the authorities by searching for 'monkey ape masturbation'. Your fingers weren't originally intended for typing (keyboard was built to match them, not the other way around) but you clearly don't have a problem with that. Another analogy that springs to my medication-addled mind is food. Cooking it aint natural (bar occasional lightning strikes on unwary cows) but we sure as hell do it anyway because it tastes better that way.

Perverse to nature?
You mean innatural?

And you mean unnatural.


Disclaimer: Whiplash Inc makes no guarantee that the above post is coherent, intelligent or at all worth the time reading it. Not suitable for children under the IQ of 100.

[Aurelia]

I'm not saying people only have sex to have children. I'm saying the original point of sex was conception, and humans have twisted and turned it into a perverted act, with complete disregard for that. A prime example being homosexuality.

What do you mean we twisted it? Humans have been fucking for pleasure before they invented religion. If anything RELIGION perverted sex, making it something vile and something to be ashamed of. Since when was doing something natural bad? Bonobos and dolphins have sex for pleasure, so are they bad as well? Did you know that you're not supposed to have sex with your spouse for pleasure? That's what the Christian religion originally dictates.

You think humans invented homosexuality? I pity your ignorance. :lol:

[Dream Machine]

Ugh, I'm not bothering to post the links to numerous research articles that prove that bisexuality and homosexuality is natural in most social species of animals, because most religious people I've realized are ridiculously anthropocentric, so using animal behavior studies is a losing battle.

Still if anyone's interested about why these things are natural (and beneficial to a social group of humans/animals) just search for my posts in this thread.

But be assured, sex isn't just for making the babies. In the words of the FSP if it were meant to be unpleasent, he would have put spikes on it.

[Neal]

I'm not saying people only have sex to have children. I'm saying the original point of sex was conception, and humans have twisted and turned it into a perverted act, with complete disregard for that. A prime example being homosexuality.
Ugh. Perverted? What gives you the idea that it all started off as a creation act THEN it was changed into something for fun? :wtf: C'mon, you think early man said "no no, I wont have sex with you unless you want a commitment :wtf:". Like Aurelia said, Religion has made it out like its something horrible and shouldn't be spoken about.

You think humans invented homosexuality? I pity your ignorance. :lol:

Yep, that is beyond idiotic. How do you suppose some animals bum each other then? DID MAN INFLUENCE THEM? :wtf:

[Whiplash]

I realise when people use the word 'religion' they're speaking generically about Christianity, but nevertheless in the spirit of correctness I feel obliged to point out at this point that several religions actively encourage sex for purposes other than procreation. Taoism and Hinduism (i.e. the kama sutra) for example. Not gay sex per se, which would probably go against the yin and yang beliefs around sex in Taoism, at least as I understand them, but definately fun sex (for women anyway, the more times the woman orgasms the better).

GO TOLERANCE!


But yeah, his argument is pretty dumb as I've already said.

[Luriana]

I realise when people use the word 'religion' they're speaking generically about Christianity, but nevertheless in the spirit of correctness I feel obliged to point out at this point that several religions actively encourage sex for purposes other than procreation. Taoism and Hinduism (i.e. the kama sutra) for example. Not gay sex per se, which would probably go against the yin and yang beliefs around sex in Taoism, at least as I understand them, but definately fun sex (for women anyway, the more times the woman orgasms the better).

GO TOLERANCE!


But yeah, his argument is pretty dumb as I've already said.

Hmm, I think I'm going to convert myself into a Taoist.

[Aurelia]

I realise when people use the word 'religion' they're speaking generically about Christianity, but nevertheless in the spirit of correctness I feel obliged to point out at this point that several religions actively encourage sex for purposes other than procreation. Taoism and Hinduism (i.e. the kama sutra) for example. Not gay sex per se, which would probably go against the yin and yang beliefs around sex in Taoism, at least as I understand them, but definately fun sex (for women anyway, the more times the woman orgasms the better).

GO TOLERANCE!


But yeah, his argument is pretty dumb as I've already said.


But many Taoists still had sex with their same sex. So maybe it's not entirely against Taoism? I mean... that certainly didn't stop the ancient Chinese men from having sex with beautiful Chinese boys. :aldo:

[SUPER JAM]

But many Taoists still had sex with their same sex. So maybe it's not entirely against Taoism? I mean... that certainly didn't stop the ancient Chinese men from having sex with beautiful Chinese boys. :aldo:

While homosexuality is not condemned by Taoist principals, gay men and women ought to take precautions. In the Taoist view, the man is mostly Yang in nature, while the woman is mostly Yin. For balance in the Universe, Yang and Yin belong together as each needs the other for balance. Homosexual relationships are by definition unbalanced as one of the components is already missing. According to Taoist thinking, this creates a susceptibility to many diseases.

In male to male relationships, Yang fortifies and energizes Yang, resulting in a supercharged sexual energy. This encourages frequent ejaculation, very often promiscuity, and often emotional and mental imbalances. It is no accident that highly creative people, which are seen as extreme Yang individuals, tend to be not only homosexual, but susceptible to all kinds of mental and emotional disorders.

Female to Female relationships tend to result in the opposite. Since women are mostly Yin, that is receiving, and passive, an imbalance is created the other way. Without the Yang of the male for balance, gay women eventually lose interest in sex, courage and will may diminish, and again, they may become susceptible to disease, as the Yang of the male is absent to fortify the immune system. This by the way, also applies to heterosexual women who abstain from sex. Again, Taoist thought does not judge, but recommends that gay women be conscious of the need for more Yang energy in their lives, as it recommends that gay men be conscious of having more Yin in their lives.

I think Taoism's purpose is not to teach men to go gay.And they don't see homosexuality as unnatural. But they see it as 'unbalanced nature'. So it's still 'natural' but 'not balance'. How to find balance is the Taoist way so surely they recommend heterosexual but also don't see homosexuality as forbidden sex too, but they just don't recommend it because it's not balanced.

[Devegas]

i think i'm gonna convert taoism for a while :)

[Cronos~TimeWave]

Well isn't this an intense thread we got going here? To answer the question I believe I'm gay but in real life I play the role of a straight person.

[Renzokuken]

Well isn't this an intense thread we got going here? To answer the question I believe I'm gay but in real life I play the role of a straight person.



How come ?

[Cronos~TimeWave]

Simple...Homophobia, it surrounds me.

[Devegas]

well dude you got a friend in here, i really don't care if anyone's gay or not, it's all on if you're an asshole or not

[Subba]

I'm bisexual. I haven't come out to my family. My sister is a lesbian and my two brothers are gay, my parents have told me "I'm their only hope" and they're glad I'm "one of the normal ones."
I'm certain it's just denial at this point, they've walked in on me and other girls a couple times. It's pretty obvious they're begging me to be staight. XD

Kind of puts me in an awkward situation.

[Ren XIII]

I'm bissexual... I think.


I have made out with a couple of guys and even though it was good I didn't want to go "all the way" .

When I'm with girls I feel a lot more "lustful"(:P) than when I'm with guys.


I guess that puts me with the "not sure" crowd huh ?:cookie:

[Devegas]

damn... with me i'm just simply goin on physical attraction at the moment starin at peoples ass so you could say i go either way because with me if the guys got the muscle in the good places and the girls are thick in the right places not much control there

[Henry]

I have made out with a couple of guys and even though it was good I didn't want to go "all the way" .
When I'm with girls I feel a lot more "lustful"(:P) than when I'm with guys. I guess that puts me with the "not sure" crowd huh ?:cookie:
I feel same way.

[Little Miss Scarlett]

There's no doubt in my mind that I'm straight, but I think girls are a lot better looking.

[meteor]

Simple...Homophobia, it surrounds me.

Faggots?
Where?

Waaaaaaaah!!!


:wtf:

[Lady~Vengeance]

Well, I'm straight as they come I just wish God sent a decent guy my way! ♥♥♥

[meteor]

Well, I'm straight as they come I just wish God sent a decent guy my way! ♥♥♥


The problem is that many women want too have perfect boyfriends.
And yeah nobody is perfect.

[Devegas]

oh we all know that but still people have standards

[Luriana]

There's no doubt in my mind that I'm straight, but I think girls are a lot better looking.

I second that

[Lady~Vengeance]

oh we all know that but still people have standards

took the words right out of my mouth. we ALL have standards when it comes to just about everything in life.

[You're not Here]

I'm into Greek love xD

I'm gay. I have been since 2005. My parents know but theyre in denial. My sisters know and they arent :P

I'm not too big on the gay scene though. It is kind of degrading to me tbh

[Neal]

Just get an iPhone. It retains the gay, but shows it off at the same time. It's a powerful tool.

[Whiplash]

But is it too gay to have James Blunt on your iPhone?

[Neal]

That's sex in a public place gay.

[Devegas]

i don't even have an iPhone to begin with

anyhell i think i'm.....................