Why are reviewers saying this game is good?

[ozonez]

Because its not.

It was fun at first. But not now.

[Lifrasthir]

I like it...so far.

[Fenristh]

Because its not.

It was fun at first. But not now.
Yep I agree. 10/10...? NO.

[Desi]

Maybe because it is good?

I mean most of you like Dirge of Cerberus...not to be offensive but that is not much more credible.

[Lifrasthir]

Maybe because it is good?

I mean most of you like Dirge of Cerberus...not to be offensive but that is not much more credible.

I have no idea. I'm not that far to determine how good it is/was yet.

Dirge of Cerberus was slightly a let down...I guess I'm just easy to please when it comes to video games.

[Devious]

I didn't like it that much either. At first, it was fun, but then it just got a bit repetitive. The Espers were also completely useless. Your party could do waaaay more damage that just your one character and an esper. Also, the plot was bad. Really bad. An empire that fell to a tyrant? Yeah, real original. Not to mention the characters. Vaan, Penelo, and Fran had no role in the plot at all. They should've made Basch the main character. Or at least Reks. NOT REKS' BABY BROTHER.

[Lifrasthir]

Reks was awesome. :'(

[N O C T E]

You have to admit though, Balthier was awesome, and yeah, Reks was cooler than Vaan. I liked the storyline becuase it was a change from the past few FF's.

[Allen Walker]

Id rather play DoC than FF12. And thats plain sad.

P.S.- FF12 is utter garbage as an FF.

[Omni-Cloud]

If Balthier had been the main character...I think I could have handled it. But I HATED FF12. 10/10 is bull. The main character....wasn't even a main character....he was just one of teh princess's body guards pretty much.

:rolleyes: A waste of time.

[Desi]

The main character....wasn't even a main character....he was just one of teh princess's body guards pretty much.

:rolleyes: A waste of time.

Like Tidus?

But no Vaan was a civilian. So you experience the events unfold out of the eyes of an ignorant citizen.

[Lifrasthir]

XII's storyline I'm not that happy with. I think the story gets a very slow kick off. And even then. It's not the best.

[N O C T E]

The story does start off very slowly, it was really boring before you AT LEAST tried to break in the castle and steal the treasure, after that, it was still pretty boring until you got to Archades, after that is was okay.

I thought that FFXII was at least better than X-2, but then again that is not saying very much.

[Kitmitsu]

I have the game next to me now and I'm actually going to start playing it this week. I've watched Dante play some and I have to agree, Balthier is definitley the best character. Penelo seems to just be a boring version of Rikku and Vann just has no personality what so ever...I know it doesn't happen but I wish there was a secret ending where he died a horrible death.

[Lifrasthir]

I'm in Raithwall's tomb right now. I can't get past the friggin' Beldias...Yeah go ahead and make fun of me all you want.

I think the excitement so far has only been breaking into the Castle.

Ninja Edit: I never use Vaan. Penelo scares me slightly. My party contains Balthier, Fran, and Ashe most of the time. I do alternate Ashe with Basch sometimes. Balthier is the best character.

[Desi]

At least Vaan isn't whiny after the first hand full of hours, he is just a childish and ignorant. My biggest complaint against Tidus was his constant complaining. Don't make me post my Penelo post here too.

[Allen Walker]

FF12 just lacked the heart of its predecessors. As for the main character, I consider Ashe as the lead because she was the only character that actually had some development. The other characters had some too but it was hardly any.

[Desi]

FF12 just lacked the heart of its predecessors. As for the main character, I consider Ashe as the lead because she was the only character that actually had some development. The other characters had some too but it was hardly any.
The fault with seeing everything by "development" is most of the characters were in their 20's+. They have already developed their character. No may not have noticed it because they was no reason for them to change. Soldiers/princess/nobility are different then civilians.

My Penelo post explains her reason for not having a turnaround(matured early). Fran is already 200+ so there she should be obvious. Vaan is your vessel just getting to experience things normal people don't.

[soul]

XII has no story. Only the battle system is cool.

[Fenristh]

Like Tidus?

But no Vaan was a civilian. So you experience the events unfold out of the eyes of an ignorant citizen.
At least Tidus had a reason to be following Yuna etc around and being a body guard. Did Vann, Penelo and Fran really need to tag along? Penelo barely even spoke in cuts scenes and if she did it was pointless crap like "It's so big", nothing that actually adds to the story or anything like that.

[Flint]

At least Tidus had a reason to be following Yuna etc around and being a body guard. Did Vann, Penelo and Fran really need to tag along? Penelo barely even spoke in cuts scenes and if she did it was pointless crap like "It's so big", nothing that actually adds to the story or anything like that.

Fran tags along because she is Balthier's partner and therefore they are a team who aid eachother for mutual gain.

Vaan and Penelo are there simply because for them there isn't much of an alternative. Consider their situation - they live as penniless orphans in a country that has been invaded and conquered by a hated enemy. They spend their days running dull fetch-and-carry errands for Migelo and essentially living hand to mouth. Really, neither of them have much of a future in front of them. But then, in a twist of fate, Vaan is caught up with Balthier and Fran during a raid on the palace and suddenly his life changes - he meets the presumed dead princess Ashe and is drawn into the struggle of the Dalmascan resistance. At last, he has an opportunity to strike back at the enemy he believes stole his homeland. They rescue the kidnapped Penelo and she joins their cause simply to be with Vaan - she would rather be with him and in danger than back in Rabanastre worrying about him getting himself killed far from home.

Given the choice which would you choose? Go back to your old dull, boring, empty life where you feel powerless to change your situation, or be with the resistance fighting for a cause you believe in? Vaan and Penelo are there because they feel they can at last do something to help their country - by fighting alongside Ashe, they hope to restore their homeland to it's former glory.

Personally I enjoyed FFXII's story because it didn't resort to using the kind of cliches that have been prevalent in the more recent FF games - no-one had amnesia, there were no teenage identity crises, Vaan didn't turn out to be the main bad guy's son/brother or whatever. The story in FFXII may seem a little shallow on face value, but there is considerably more depth there than many people give credit.

[Megalixir]

I dont think the game was THAT bad, but it certainly wasn't worth the wait.

[ozonez]

The game just doesn't deserve the 10/10 rating that most magazines are giving it.

[Allen Walker]

The highest I would rate FF12 is a 9/10. And thats just because its an FF game.

[Misschoco]

i would give it a 8/10
the characters were a let down(only the few) e.g gay pixie vaan :D

[Desi]

At least Tidus had a reason to be following Yuna etc around and being a body guard.
His only reason for following Yuna was he was weak and lost. So he was more like a puppy.

And I don't need to say anything else about Fran because she is the sex. Oh and Flint basically just bombarded the thread with awesome.

[Flint]

Oh and Flint basically just bombarded the thread with awesome.

Thank you, Desi.

I guess the people that hate FFXII can at least take some consolation in the fact that FFXIII is being made by mostly the same team responsible for VII, VIII and X. I imagine it will be more like a 'typical' FF game, which I accept is no bad thing, it's just I enjoyed FFXII mainly because it was so different from what we're used to seeing - it made a nice change, for me at least.

I'd have liked to have seen another Yasumi Matsuno FF game (FF Tactics was one of his, and it was excellent), but I guess the chances of that now are slim to none, due to his illness and exit from Square-Enix. Revenant Wings on DS is a spinoff game from FFXII, but it's nothing to do with Matsuno, which I expect will be considered a plus by many of the FFXII haters...

[Misschoco]

it's just I enjoyed FFXII mainly because it was so different from what we're used to seeing - it made a nice change, for me at least.

hmmm it still had a similar medieval kinda setting like some other ff games

[Flint]

hmmm it still had a similar medieval kinda setting like some other ff games

When I said it was different I was thinking more about the storyline and gameplay rather than the setting, although admittedly I didn't make that very clear. But yeah, I guess the medieval-meets-sci-fi world setting is similar to some of the earlier games.

[Rophage]

The game wasn't too bad, admittedly it was not as good as it could, or should, have been. The main problem in my eyes is Penelo, her reason for coming along, as she puts it ingame, was that she 'didn't want to be far away from Vaan'. I mean, Vaan's reason was weak but understandable, he wanted to have excitement, get back at the empire for killing his brother and all that, but Penelo? She's bored.
8/10 from me.

[007vader]

I also think Reks should have been the main character Or Balthier or Basch or Ashe or really anyone besides Vaan. But I enjoyed the gameplay and the story didn't bother me, I just found Vaan to be a lame main character. All in all I would give it a 7.5/10.

[Desi]

Basch was supposed to be until the higher ups in Square said make a young Final Fantasy Lead male. Even now Ashe is the main character.

[N O C T E]

I would have liked Basch or Baltheir to be the main.

[deceptacon]

i would've liked ashe to be the main, but maybe i'm biased. i wish there would've been more development/usage of fran, she was super awesome

[Allen Walker]

People, when will you acknowledge that this game sucks?

[deceptacon]

psht. ok, so maybe it wasn't the best FF ever. .

but i really loved fran/vieras

[S-r-ex]

Uuuuhh....I thought this game was good. Great story, good characters (Penelo Excepted, she had a kinda bitchy voice too, thought of some Rikku-like before I played the game). Anyways, I found this game very entertaining, and by far the weakest FF. But well, thats IMO...







btw, found this one somewhere:

VAAN
I want to be a sky pirate! Wait, scratch that.

PENELO
Hi. I'm Penelo.

DALAN
The Empire has taken over our town. Go look for magic rocks.

*****

VAYNE
Let us all live together in peace and harmony.

VAAN
Never!

*****

VAAN
Hey, a magic rock!

BALTHIER
Give me that. I'm cooler than you.

VAAN
Right you are.

*****

VAAN
You! You killed my brother!

BASCH
No, no, that was my evil twin. Here, watch this flashback.

VAAN
Oh, okay.

*****

ASHE
I am now in charge. You will all do naught but follow me around from this day forward.

BALTHIER
Even if you don't know where you're going?

VAAN
What do you mean, "if"?

*****

BALTHIER
We've been captured.

VAAN
We escaped!

*****

ASHE
Let's go recover the Dawn Shard. It's proof of my ancestry.

PENELO
Hi. I'm Penelo.

VAAN
We've been captured.

ASHE
We escaped!

*****

MAGIC ROCK GUY
Do you have any proof of your ancestry?

ASHE
No.

PLAYER
What about the Dawn-

ASHE
Silence, peasant!

*****

FRAN
We've been captured.

VAAN
Ah! ...Sorry, I forgot you were there. Um, yeah, we escaped.

*****

JUDGE DRACE
Hi, I'm Ju-- (dies)

GABRANTH
I've just killed a trusted comrade as a step toward Vayne's tragic but inexorable rise to power.

ASHE
Let's go ask around about magic rocks.

*****

VAYNE
I've just killed my father as a step toward my tragic but inexorable rise to power.

ASHE
Anybody know about magic rocks?

*****

BASCH
Dusk Shard, Dusk Shard, magicite, Dynast King.

ASHE
Nethecite, Dawn Shard, Nethecite, manufactured Nethecite.

BALTHIER
Anybody want to go hike to the Empire?

PARTY
Sure, whatever.

*****

LOCKED DOOR
I'm a locked door. Go talk to some Moogles.

LOCKED DOOR #2
I'm a locked door. Go wander off and find the key.

GUARD
I'm a guard. Go talk to NPCs until you find the one who lets you get past me.

TAXI DRIVER
Go bring me nine chops.

SQUARE ENIX
This is AWESOME!

*****

CID
I'm incredibly entertaining.

PLAYER
Where were you when we were bored out of our skulls?

BALTHIER
Oh, I'm his son, by the way.

PARTY
'Kay.

REDDAS
I come from nowhere to steal your thunder! Excelsior!

PENELO
Hi. I'm Penelo.

*****

REDDAS
I'm an ex-Judge who resigned after witnessing the Empire's cruelty.

BALTHIER
You're kidding! I'M an ex-Judge who resigned after witnessing the Empire's cruelty!

REDDAS
I became a sky pirate!

BALTHIER
No way! I became a sky pirate!

REDDAS
I'm cooler than five of the party members combined!

BALTHIER
Seriously? I'M-

GABRANTH
Behold! I betrayed and murdered Ashe's father and Vaan's brother!

VAAN
I had a brother?

ASHE
I had a father?

BASCH
I got this.

*****

CID
Sorry I couldn't stay longer. *dies*

BALTHIER
Take it easy, Pop. Hey, who's hungry?

*****

ASHE
Vayne! At last, we come to our final battle!

VAYNE
I'm sorry; do I know you?

GABRANTH
I've decided to stop betraying people. By betraying you, Vayne!

VAYNE
Ha! You're no match for me. I'm the most complex, intellectual overlord in the history of Ivalice! (turns into the Hulk) (dies)

ASHE
I am victorious! Begone, my underlings!

VAAN
Wow, I didn't do anything.

BASCH
You did more than me.

FRAN
And me.

EVERYONE
(looks at Penelo)

PENELO
Hi. I'm Penelo.

[deceptacon]

goodness gracious.

[Azailex Sorrow]

Okay i hav'nt finished the game yet, but im like about to finish off the final boss..

so far the game is pretty cool, not to mention "hard"..

(but most FF games are)

anyways what would you wanted in FFXII?? unless of course you wanted a FFX cept with a diffrent battle system..

idk??

i think its on the level of FFX-2..

either way i loved every FF game..

[deceptacon]

i think its on the level of FFX-2..

and ffx-2 is total shite :cookie:

[Allen Walker]

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

This game is horrible.

[Azailex Sorrow]

Would you have rather it not come out at all..

alot of people really have to get use to battle system b/c tht's pretty much the "BIG" diffrence in FFXII compared to other FF games..

It's one of those you love it, or hate itgames..

[BlueOni]

Explain why it is horrible, geez.

Anyway, I think it is well-made but very unoriginal. If anything, it's inspired by Star Wars (Balthier = Han Solo. The judges = Darth Vader. Bhujerba = Bespine. And so on) From what I've seen, by the end of the game all characters have the exact same capabilities, can use all weapons, cast all spells, etc. Summons are supposedly worthless. The license system is easily abused.

I've played a bit into the game and must say it isn't at all horrible but does have some flaws. It has "atmosphere" but that's mainly thanks to the detailed environments.

So basically it's a bit poor by FF standards, but still a good RPG. Mind you, I haven't completed even half of it, so I might change my mind later on... lots of sidequests and a good final battle can go a long way toward making me like a game.

[Allen Walker]

Why is it horrible? Sure, I'll explain.

Plot- The plot doesn't draw you in at all. All FF games have a story where you want to know what'll happen next. This story just makes me yawn. Nethicite and Empire: thats basically it.

Characters- Huge lack of character development from everyone. What did Vaan want to be? A sky pirate? It was all forgotten about about 5 hours in the game.
Basch's character made me laugh. Here I was thinking he was the "mysterious" character of the game that doesn't tell much about himself. Yea good job Square, you fooled me good.
Penelo shouldn't even have been in the game because she plays no role in the story whatsoever.
Ashe was the only character that developed well, but she had flaws.
Balthier was cool, his development was decent but I hoped for more.
I wont comment on Freya.

Vaynes role as a villian was pathetic. He barely had any screen time till the last battle. I thought villians were supposed to be sinister and evil. (Sephy, Kefka, Kuja). Vayne comes nowhere close.

[Allen Walker]

double-post (stupid PS3 word limit)


Music- music was okay but Nobuo's music is a 1000 times better. Remember how all FFs have a main theme song (world map music in FF7, To Zanarkand from FF10, Melodies of Life from FF9, etc) There is none in this (Kiss me Goodbye doesn't count)

Battle System- It was refreshing, but its breaking away from the original, which I miss.


Conclusion- I just felt it had so much potential (5 YEARS!!). But it was a huge letdown.

[deceptacon]

you meant Fran, right ?
anyway, i liked the battle system - i loved the environments, however - the story sucks, a lot. as do the characters. [minus viera and ashe]

if it would've had a good story, and characters that actually made sense for them to be there, it would've been great.

[Allen Walker]

Yes, I meant Fran. I haven't played this game in over 8 months. (My sisters x-bf has it, but he can keep it for all I care).

[deceptacon]

oh and i forgot to mention: the music in this game does not come close AT ALL in any comparison to the greatness of the music in FFX

[BlueOni]

oh and i forgot to mention: the music in this game does not come close AT ALL in any comparison to the greatness of the music in FFX

What greatness? The theme song sounded like a cat was being tortured. I remember only a few tracks I liked: The one that plays when traveling on a ship, and the final battle themes. The normal and boss themes were bad. FFXII has much better boss themes.

[deceptacon]

i think to zanarkand speaks for itself

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rLnZ5jcsRpc

[Shiva]

Wow...from what I've read in here I think I'm one of the few people who actually loved this game O.O;;

[Alice]

No, you aren't the only one Shiva...I loved it too.

I actually liked the storyline; it was awesome in my book. It was very complicated and almost like a history lesson but, IMO, I like that kind of stuff. Don't get me wrong, I also adore many of the other FF storylines just as much or more*coughFF5/FF6/FF7cough*.

I honestly liked the characters as well. Their personalities were well emphasized I thought.

Vaan- He's young and inexperienced (and he shows it ingame) so it's only natural to want to break free and live his dream of becoming a skypirate or just to add some excitment to his life.

Penelo- I loved her personality. She's caring, friendly, has a carefree spirit and it seems to me, that she is a naturally likeable character(although from what I've seen in this thread, that doesn't seem to be true for some XD). She follows Vaan because she wants to be around him.

Balthier- He was awesome. He had such an arrogant attitude but his sarcasm was hilarious. I always have him in my party.

Fran- I absolutely loved her. She's wise, unique, and a damn good fighter(at least she was in my game). I also liked her English voice actor.

Ashe- Of course I liked her personality. She represented strong females everywhere. She was very demanding and set in her ways but I'm sure that was because of her royal blood.

Basch- Loved him. Also set in his ways and was all about duty but he was a great character nonetheless.

I'm probably gonna cause lots of people to strike me down but this is again, my opinion. ^^;

[Allen Walker]

I dont care what anybody thinks.

12 is terrible.

The End.

[Sidderz]

I liked XII. The story was abit -- hard to follow to say the least though.

[Blu Ray Disc]

I thought FF12 was a great game. There were things that did bother me though:
Ashe sounded too old for her age/looks.
Basch looked like he was wearing pieces of garbage.
Reddas was wearing pink tights. Or red tights. W/e.
Vaan had a little white dot on his face, looked like a tear, and he had painted abs.
THe voice acting, you can actually hear their breath in the microphone as they spoke.
The story: I loved the story a lot. Very political. It was deep, and very complex. It makes me feel good that SE put a lot of thought into the story.
Characters: They should have worked on Vaan a little more. I thought Vaan looked too feminine.

Besides all that. I really enjoyed the game. Funny thing is I haven't even beaten it. I'm on the Ridorana Cataract. I need to get to the Sun Crystal thingy.

[Jive Turkey]

I liked Fran's English voice actor, sounds familiar actually now that I think about it...
I liked Larsa to
I liked the story
But I thought the ending could've been more exciting
And I agree with decept about the musica
It was a bit bland :/
But overall I liked it

[Dark Vincent]

I finally got the game and I'm with Flint and Desi. As Desi said on first page "most of you find DoC a good game. That's not really credible."
That and Flint's explanation on FFXII goodness should have closed this thread already :P
The battle system is great, they finally got rid of crap such as random encounters and turn based fights where you have two lines of people beating each other.
The Mark system is nice, it adds something to do besides just following the storyline, and is a more fun way to level up than simply picking up on random stuff.
The argument about how every char can end up the same isn't valid at all. It has been like this since... FF5? Since customization was available. In FF6 what changed was some characters' unique abilities, in FF7, FF8 and FF10 it was the Limit Breaks/Overdrives. Whoa that makes a character so unique huh? ;)

No, seriously, it just broke off the traditional a little. Which is by no means bad :P

[Desi]

The argument about how every char can end up the same isn't valid at all. It has been like this since... FF5? Since customization was available. In FF6 what changed was some characters' unique abilities, in FF7, FF8 and FF10 it was the Limit Breaks/Overdrives. Whoa that makes a character so unique huh? ;)

That is what alot of the "Playstation Babies" believe. I am a playstation baby though.

Music- music was okay but Nobuo's music is a 1000 times better. Remember how all FFs have a main theme song (world map music in FF7, To Zanarkand from FF10, Melodies of Life from FF9, etc) There is none in this (Kiss me Goodbye doesn't count)The Theme of The Empire? I mean that hits my head more commonly than any piece of music in FF history other than Fanfare.

[Allen Walker]

The Theme of The Empire? I mean that hits my head more commonly than any piece of music in FF history other than Fanfare.

I couldn't really feel the epicness in it at all.

[Patsie]

Because its not.

It was fun at first. But not now.
Damn straight.

This game got me excited, it looked so good. But i didn't know they were descendants of Shakespeare, and that all it focuses on it the government. Heck i don't even know the real problem that they need to solve. Also the maps/places are too big, it takes me at least 2 weeks to finish a place. i.e Gurivegan.

I started this game on december, and until now, 1 year later i still havent finished it. It's just too boring.

[Allen Walker]

I'm glad people are starting to see the light.

[ZidaneFC]

Because its not.

It was fun at first. But not now.

Yes, I agree completely. I first got the game and was hooked. The battle system is good, don't get me wrong, I like playing RPGs with different types of battle systems and this one was a welcome change. But then the story started to get to me, I hate politics, and then it just got plain boring. I remember that I'm in Arcadia looking for wood or something so I can ride a train, wtf.

But seriously, I couldn't feel anything for any of the characters but none of them annoyed me thankfully. Except Baltheir, he reminded me to much of a certain other someone and I hated him. The only thing I can say that I liked about this game was the battle system. But for me, the compelling overall story and the love story entwined within is what makes me love my Final Fantasies and that's where this game fails.

[Desi]

Damn straight.

This game got me excited, it looked so good. But i didn't know they were descendants of Shakespeare, and that all it focuses on it the government. Heck i don't even know the real problem that they need to solve. Also the maps/places are too big, it takes me at least 2 weeks to finish a place. i.e Gurivegan.

I started this game on december, and until now, 1 year later i still havent finished it. It's just too boring.
Either take English over again or rewrite your post.

[N O C T E]

I couldn't really feel the epicness in it at all.

Then you phail.:cookie:

[Allen Walker]

Then you phail.:cookie:

I'm so offended :rolleyes:

[Fenristh]

It wasn't epic at all. D: Music was also irritatingly shit.

[Patsie]

Either take English over again or rewrite your post.
No, I don't need to 'take english over,' and you can't tell me what to do.

[Allen Walker]

It wasn't epic at all. D: Music was also irritatingly shit.

seconded

No, I don't need to 'take english over,' and you can't tell me what to do.

I'd be careful if I were you, Desi doesn't take crap from anyone :cunning:

[N O C T E]

I'm so offended :rolleyes:

I can totally tell. I can also tell that this argument on if the game was good or not will never end.

[Desi]

No, I don't need to 'take english over,' and you can't tell me what to do.Ok Miss. Your post if full superficial to awkward complaints. They talk as if they are in a play during the 1600's, have politics instead of super world surfing aliens, and maps are to scale. Is that the jist of it?

It wasn't epic at all. D: Music was also irritatingly shit.Hmm. So complex heavily insturmental music from a popular videogame composer is now shit.? I believe you are wrong sir now go back to your techno!

[Slim__Cognito]

Ok Miss. Your post if full superficial to awkward complaints. They talk as if they are in a play during the 1600's, have politics instead of super world surfing aliens, and maps are to scale. Is that the jist of it?

Hmm. So complex heavily insturmental music from a popular videogame composer is now shit.? I believe you are wrong sir now go back to your techno!


owned. .

[Patsie]

Ok Miss. Your post if full superficial to awkward complaints. They talk as if they are in a play during the 1600's, have politics instead of super world surfing aliens, and maps are to scale. Is that the jist of it?

I'm not talking about the actual maps, I'm talking about getting through the main place of the next scenes after another takes too long, it at least takes 1-2 hours to get through to another scene. To me, I find that boring and useless. Yea sure, no more random battles because now you can see the enemy, but that doesn't mean they have to expand the land so much.

The way they talk is just what annoys me, period. My memory is also very vivid about the entire storyline and all I can remember are ones that stood out to be the most irritating moments and that was politics.

[Dark Remnant]

I don't like FFXII by any stretch of the imagination, the battle system is epic loss, the music is way short of memorable and the monsters all look the same, seriously, there's 100 different variations of a flan, a T-rex, a bomb and a bunny rabbit...not cool.

That said I've just started playing it again today and I'm thoroughly enjoying it so far, I actually played it for 3 hours straight without getting bored or annoyed. I was rather surprised to say the least.

[N O C T E]

Hmm. So complex heavily insturmental music from a popular videogame composer is now shit.? I believe you are wrong sir now go back to your techno!

I definitely concur.

[Naunen]

What the hell?? Let's see... Have you ever played Final Fantasy Tactics? Tactics Advance? Vagrant Story? They're all kinda made by the same team. Of course, reviewers say it's good but the ultimate judgment comes from you. Reviewers may say it's good but do you? Heck, If I reviewed the game, I'd give it an overall 9.5/10. That's just me though. If you reviewed it, what would you rate it?

[aleksunder]

I don't like FFXII by any stretch of the imagination, the battle system is epic loss, the music is way short of memorable and the monsters all look the same, seriously, there's 100 different variations of a flan, a T-rex, a bomb and a bunny rabbit...not cool.

That said I've just started playing it again today and I'm thoroughly enjoying it so far, I actually played it for 3 hours straight without getting bored or annoyed. I was rather surprised to say the least.

Take my reply lightly, none of this is meant to be an attack. I'm playing around with you, and offering you some rebuttals. I'm glad you like it now that you've tried it for the second time. Maybe all you needed was another play through?
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Epic loss? Would you prefer we go back to turn based stuff, wherein we wait and smack wait and smack until our behinds atrophy? Or perhaps we should use Draw and extract the magic from the monsters AND JUNCTION FIRAGA ONTO OUR HIT POINTS!!1

lolz.

Music: While I'm not saying FFXII was as great as, say, IX or VIII, it was still a great score. The mediocrity of it is mostly due to there being a different composer, but even then, it wasn't horrible. Just not mindblowingly fantastical. Yasunori Mitsuda would have been great for this game. Too bad they couldn't snag him, yeah?

And the monsters complaint can't really be used, as FF has a tendency to rehash monsters and make them different colors. It's just a thing they do. Sortof like the Shin Megami Tensei peeps. Actually, most RPG franchises. yeah~

[BlueOni]

Epic loss? Would you prefer we go back to turn based stuff, wherein we wait and smack wait and smack until our behinds atrophy? Or perhaps we should use Draw and extract the magic from the monsters AND JUNCTION FIRAGA ONTO OUR HIT POINTS!!1

I miss that system actually. The way I see it, Gambit system = automatization of combat. It doesn't have a flavor of its own, like the Esper, Materia and Junction systems did. And really now, how does it make sense you have to buy a "license" to use an ability you've learnt? ATB feels better to me. It may be a bit slower, but what the hell, it's more enjoyable. And FFX-2 showed how it can be made more streamlined.

[Dark Remnant]

Maybe all you needed was another play through?

I've gone while without playing it after my first play through (which I oh so hated) and I don't know what's changed since then but now this game just makes sense to me, I can sit and play for an hour - 2 hours quite happily.

Epic loss? Would you prefer we go back to turn based stuff, wherein we wait and smack wait and smack until our behinds atrophy?

No, upon my first play through FFXII I thought that maybe a battle system similar to KH's would have fit better with what SE were trying to do with the game, I could see that they were trying to make a more realistic battle system for the player and at the same time give the characters a sense of individuality. A turn based battle system wouldn't have worked with this game at all.

[Fenristh]

I'd be careful if I were you, Desi doesn't take crap from anyone :cunning:

Oh my god, stop kissing ass for fuck sake, it's pathetic. ;(

Hmm. So complex heavily insturmental music from a popular videogame composer is now shit.? I believe you are wrong sir now go back to your techno!

lol Techno, I don't listen to techno. I certainly wouldn't listen to that shite they call the FFXII soundtrack either. :cookie:

[Desi]

And really now, how does it make sense you have to buy a "license" to use an ability you've learnt? The license was tied into the background. It is why the dude had to explain to Vaan how to use it. The Empire controls Rabanstare and for them you have to acquire a certain profiency aka points to be able to use something in the realm of the law. Now why listen to them? Don't know but that was the reason.

Oh and you can play the game like a old FF, just turn off gambits and use menus.

[Jive Turkey]

Yeah, I didn't mind the license thing seeing as it was apart of the story itself in a way...I mean I can see why alot of people didn't like ti, it's because it's different..and some people don't like change.....I enjoyed the game alot, though it had it's downfalls....The gambit systemmade it pretty fun for me I think...even though it did alot of things for you in battle...and just like Desi said you can easily take the gambit off...

[Desi]

...I mean I can see why alot of people didn't like ti, it's because it's different..and some people don't like change.....You can't hate change and like the Final Fantasy series. They represent change. Constantly it tries something different, sometimes big and sometimes smaller. Hating change is setting yourself up for disappointment in the FF series.

Now I do not want people taking this as if you like one Final Fantasy you have to like them all. But not appreciating the differences that each title has from the others will leave you missing out.

[Jive Turkey]

The most thing I hear from people is that they miss ATB or that they like battle systems such as VII and X....XII's system is quite different from those from previous FF's and that's why I think alot of people hated this game..well one of the reasons at least >.>

[BlankChocobo]

I for one was pretty disappointed with the story... It felt very flat and I wish they had done more with the Occuria. I finished it though, and (I guess) I'm glad I did. Even though the ending was seriously Star Wars =.=; I guess I felt like I was being fed a refried mix of Lord of the Rings and Star Wars a bit too much to enjoy it...

[pupucachi]

I just like the relationship between Ashe and Rasler ^^. That's all

[Hakimichi]

for me the game is quite hard to complete it 100% . well you can say that something like having hard boss and random powerful weapon (like the Excalibur!!! damed it was a random!!! you will be very lucky if you were able to get it in one or two try!!)

And the system!! at first it was a savior that the gambit system but later it just make me wanted to sleep as it was to automatic!!

Well for me I like the game with its new concept but there were something wrong with it!!
not just the system but also maybe the story!!

the game I can say it have a good start but not many people maybe able to go through it to the end!

[OmiVersusXIV]

Because its not.

It was fun at first. But not now.

I loved FFXII with the free roam and the battle system but the only problem I had was that the characters arent as unique as other characters intheFF Universe and thats about it.

[Clone of Shadows]

I loved FFXII with the free roam and the battle system but the only problem I had was that the characters arent as unique as other characters intheFF Universe and thats about it.

yes thats what i thought but also the story isnt that good either. im trying to back in to it but the start is kind of slow. at the mo im in the prison just after the sewer part. what do u think of the hunts? for me i think there great.

[OmiVersusXIV]

yes thats what i thought but also the story isnt that good either. im trying to back in to it but the start is kind of slow. at the mo im in the prison just after the sewer part. what do u think of the hunts? for me i think there great.

It felt tooo much like Star Wars to me but yeah its great

[Allen Walker]

I started to play the game again after about 8 months. I can't just seem to get into it >.>

[Zen]

I played it I mastered all my skills, got all my characters max lv, and i still didn't beat the game. D:

[OmiVersusXIV]

I played it I mastered all my skills, got all my characters max lv, and i still didn't beat the game. D:

where are you in the game

[Zen]

Im doing the side mission where you can choose to or I think I have to go throught that city that got blown up in the begining. Plus Im takeing my time to find my last mark to kick his ass.... Gilgamesh....

[OmiVersusXIV]

I passed the whole game plus i saved right before the last mission so I might go back and get all the espers

[Zen]

Oh man I hated getting them all D: They were a big pain in my arse.,

[OmiVersusXIV]

Oh man I hated getting them all D: They were a big pain in my arse.,

lol I got about 9 of them so far but i'm trying to get the last one

[Zen]

What one would that be?

[OmiVersusXIV]

What one would that be?
I think his name is Zodiark

[Zen]

OH HIM! D:!!!! I hated getting him...

[OmiVersusXIV]

OH HIM! D:!!!! I hated getting him...

how do you do it

[Zen]

I forgot how to get him. I haven't played FF12 in like since 2 months after it came out.

[Jive Turkey]

To get Zodiark:
Go talk to Geomancer Yugelu in Jahara after the party has at least 10 Espers. Yugelu then unlock the path in the Henne Mines that leads right to Zodiark. The path is just north of the Staging Shaft in the Ore Separation room. The Save Crystal in the Staging Shaft is the closest one you will find to Zodiark, so you best use it. The path to the Esper is very difficult and tricky. It’s best to keep Float on at all times to avoid the many traps.

[bradley]

I didn't think that it was so bad starting off but after breaking into the castle and stealing the treasure it got slow and boring. The battle system eventually makes it to were all you have to do is sit back and watch and theres no fun in that I'll give it a 7/10

[Final]

Well, I for one LOVE!!! FF XII.... I can on the other hand don't understand why so many don't... But everyone have their oppinion ^^

[Desi]

How the fuck do you give something you find no fun in a 7/10? That is so mindbending backwards. 7 is still a great game with 5 being average. Unless you are using the US education grading system like everyone seems to be doing now I don't see how you can give something you don't like a 7.

[bradley]

I liked the game but it was a little slow and I'm not the biggest fan of the battle system but over all I like the game so thats why I gave it a 7/10

[Vanisher]

i liked at first , really cool battle system.


but...


when u get the double LP stuff , u get all lisences easily , then u lose the rol of each character.

at half of the game u have each character with all magics and pasive lisences ,

[unarmedbasch]

the thing that made and broke FF12 was the license board. As an RPG, it has the best requirement, that you do whatever you wish to your character. but that is not a good thing to most people who don't know what they want from the game.
that's why as a game, meaning "a fun thing to do", FF12 fails. it is not a fun thing to do, but rather it is a source of challenges. if you play FF12 more than once and really develop the characters according to what you want, applying discipline rather than abuse of the license board. you get a character (if you choose to play solo), or characters that are well defined.
for me that is the ultimate RPG requirement, you mould the character(s) exactly to your specifications.

[Ice Prince]

Well this game was good, but I don't think it was as good as alot of reviews claimed it was. Obviously it had great graphics and excellent VA work, but.......it REALLY REALLY lacked in character/story development.

Vaan and Penelo might as well have been chucked off the planet about half way through. Ashe and Balthier(possibly Basch as well depending on how you looked at it) were really the only two that held any story significance. Fran had I think one big important story aspect and then she was toast as well.

I also HATED the Liscence Board. That damn thing was such a waste of time, and was rather pointless on top of it. Some of those dungeons were killer as well. Seriously, it should not take 2 hours to get through a dungeon when you're just trying to advance the story (leveling up is a different story). No dungeon should be that long. There was much more obligated time spent on dungeon crawling than story (and to me, that's a no no).

Overall the game was ok, but not perfect like some made it out to be. It's got nice pros, but very obvious cons.

[Bun]

I gotta agree with what IP said. After just finishing the game a few days ago, I was unfortunately rather disappointed with the story and character development. I felt like they could have gone so much deeper into their backgrounds (well not Penelo or Vaan's), but people like Balthier and Basch (really would've loved to see more of Balthier!) Ugh, and don't get me started on the ending. Frankly, it wasn't all that great to be honest; then again, it wasn't horrible.

Perhaps it was the flashy graphics and amazingly great voice acting they did that kept me enthralled? Lord knows that's the first time they've ever nailed anything in terms of VAs.

[Hae Jung Shin]

The game was boring O__o The story...THE PLOT for godness sake why?? T_T
The characters (apart from ashe .. and the moogles) were bland, the battle system not really entertaining,
the espers? I can't say I really used one :| and the soundtrack? I can't recall a single melody, the license boards were a disastear, it was already said here somewhere.
I can't understand why so many people like it so much.
The graphics were amazing though and the camera, but that's it.
The worst ff i had a chance to play
Sold it.

[OmiVersusXIV]

Well, I for one LOVE!!! FF XII.... I can on the other hand don't understand why so many don't... But everyone have their oppinion ^^

I think people didnt likethem because the story was i think too light and not as dark as the past FF games like FFVII and FFVIII and they didnt have a loner type character like Cloud or Squall in the game but i loved it because it was just like playing the first FF with some ofthe best graphicsthe PS2 had to offer and was just a fun game to play.

[Naunen]

I think that those reviewers have an aversion to stories like Final Fantasy Tactics and Vagrant Story due to tastes. >_> I judge games myself.

[ANGRYWOLF]

for several months.
I am disappointed in it.It is boring and lacks character development and is too much like star wars.
The programmer/director Matsuno in Japan allegedly had a breakdown/personal issues and left the company.You can see the game suffered from neglect in several respects.
It's too bad as he did a much better job with Tactics.

[AT23]

This game, though impressive at some points, did not make it into the top 5 of my favorite Final Fantasy titles.

[Élan]

No, you aren't the only one Shiva...I loved it too.

I actually liked the storyline; it was awesome in my book. It was very complicated and almost like a history lesson but, IMO, I like that kind of stuff. Don't get me wrong, I also adore many of the other FF storylines just as much or more*coughFF5/FF6/FF7cough*.

I honestly liked the characters as well. Their personalities were well emphasized I thought.

Vaan- He's young and inexperienced (and he shows it ingame) so it's only natural to want to break free and live his dream of becoming a skypirate or just to add some excitment to his life.

Penelo- I loved her personality. She's caring, friendly, has a carefree spirit and it seems to me, that she is a naturally likeable character(although from what I've seen in this thread, that doesn't seem to be true for some XD). She follows Vaan because she wants to be around him.

Balthier- He was awesome. He had such an arrogant attitude but his sarcasm was hilarious. I always have him in my party.

Fran- I absolutely loved her. She's wise, unique, and a damn good fighter(at least she was in my game). I also liked her English voice actor.

Ashe- Of course I liked her personality. She represented strong females everywhere. She was very demanding and set in her ways but I'm sure that was because of her royal blood.

Basch- Loved him. Also set in his ways and was all about duty but he was a great character nonetheless.

I'm probably gonna cause lots of people to strike me down but this is again, my opinion. ^^;

This is what I think, too! I admit that FFXII isn't my favorite game in the FF series, but it's very well done. It has a different feel than the other FFs, and you have to try to take it in if you want the full gaming experience. Put yourself in all the characters' positions and then the entire gaming experience will be much more fulfilling. The only negative thing I could possibly say about the game is that the names can get a bit confusing. There was one guy from the Empire who had a ridiculous name. I can't remember, though...

[Jon-michael]

I thought it was done very well. The scenery was amazing, and the battle system I really loved; but the storyline was a bit complex in parts, and almost boring enough to where I really did not care to pay attention. I would not say it was my favorite FF game, but it's a must play.

[Little Miss Scarlett]

Personally I loved the game, it's not my absolute favourite but it's nowhere near the worst. I think most people just seem to get pissed off when the newest FF isn't a carbon copy of FFVII.

I only had two problems with the game:

1. Couldn't remember any of the judges names, other than Gabranth, for the life of me. That was really annoying because I could tell there was some kind of conspirocy subplot going on, but I didn't have a clue who anyone was. Slightly confusing.

2. Needed more cutscenes in the dungeons (can someone please tell me a better way of saying it, 'cause I felt reeeeeeaallly geeky writing that). Some random, pointless cutscenes of the party talking or something, just to flesh them about a bit more obviously. I thought they were good characters, but we didn't see enough of them, y'know what I mean? Plus, alot of the time in those extra long dungeons (>_<), I just lost track of what was happening. Especially in the place with the Ahriman boss; it killed me 26 times, I stopped playing for a month because I was too pissed off to touch it at the time and when I finally beat it I'd completely forgotten what was going on.

Now, just two major problems with a game I've got over 80 hours' on is pretty good, if you ask me. Not to mention the dying all the time was my own fault 'cause I couldn't be arsed to level up.

[IBeatSephiroth]

I basically enjoyed the game, but towards the end levelling beecame a bit of a chore. Also, the voice acting was terrible. Absolutely terrible. But, on the positive side, there was HEAPS to do in the game, and I've played for 200+ hours. No, I'm not kidding.

I still haven't beaten Yiazamat yet :|

[Whiplash]

I agree with you on the voice acting; there's certainly a difference between being realistic and being monotonous.



2. Needed more cutscenes in the dungeons (can someone please tell me a better way of saying it, 'cause I felt reeeeeeaallly geeky writing that). Some random, pointless cutscenes of the party talking or something, just to flesh them about a bit more obviously. I thought they were good characters, but we didn't see enough of them, y'know what I mean?

Charater development/exposition is probably the term you're looking for.

[Desi]

Also, the voice acting was terrible. Absolutely terrible.
What realm do you live in? The voices were fantastic and the script was great. It does both right. Crisis Core only does one right (voice acting, horrible script).

[GrimReaperXIII]

I "love" FF12. It's a good game (maybe I'm biased because I spent a lot of money on it and am determined to like it).

Pros:

Graphics - Good graphics, much more detailed than FFX, and they looked even better after I remembered (60 hours into the game) to put my glasses on. :P

Character design - was awesome, although some characters looks like they were wearings rags (Fran) and some other dodgy stuff (Reddas - those pink pants!) :|

Music - Pretty good, even if I don't remember any of it.

Easy Boss Battles - No challenge for me. I always make it through. Gambit system makes this game cushy. Oh, this is probabaly a con for most people. :lol:

Cons:

Ashe's breathing - Umm, that was really annoying. I dunno why the woman that played her was constantly breathing into the mike. >_<

Dodgy Plot - I couldn't for the life of me figure out what was hapenning in game. At a point I THINK I know what's going on, but then it loses me, then gains me, then loses me. Just confused here. :blink:

Fetch Quests - Most of the game are large fetch quests; go fetch the dusk stone (whoops that failed!) go fetch the dawn shard (whoops that died!) go fetch this (OMG, NOOO!) go fetch that (Yeah again...).

I seriously groaned, like a dying cow, when I found out we had to go to ANOTHER PLACE to get ANOTHER CR@PPY STINKIN' ITEM. AAARRGH!! :nag: What's even worse is that it takes ages to get to one place an another.

No use for GFs - I forgot that I even had them. When you have to use Belias to open the door "Gigas Gate" I had no idea what it was talking about. It took me two weeks of running around in circles, and then someone pointed it out to me. >_<

Doey cut-scenes - Since the graphics are so crisp in the gameplay, it feels weird to smooth charcters (like play-doh) come onto the screens. :P



I'm currently in pursuit of the Sun Shard (or whatever it's called). It's unfair that although I've made it this far, and my characters are beefed up, I have no idea what going on the plot.

The character development is pretty weak, I want to see more of Basch's character ('cause he's my fave, and his voice is cool :lol:), but I don't think it'll happen soon.

Well, anyways, yeah, that's my opnion. I still like the game. Not the best FF ever, but still OK. ;)

[IBeatSephiroth]

What realm do you live in? The voices were fantastic and the script was great. It does both right. Crisis Core only does one right (voice acting, horrible script).

I say the voice acting's bad because you can hear the voice actor's breathing into the microphone. I live in Australia :|

[Bun]

What realm do you live in? The voices were fantastic and the script was great. It does both right. Crisis Core only does one right (voice acting, horrible script).

What realm do YOU live in?! T_T Crisis Core had some seriously horrible voice acting. That's the thing though, isn't it? It all depends on taste. In my opinion, that's the reason why I decided to play 12 in the first place. Also I was hoping that maybe the story would get better as it progressed, but that didn't happen.

*shrug*

Guess it doesn't matter. Games have their pros and cons; can't always be perfect.

[Desi]

What realm do YOU live in?! T_T Crisis Core had some seriously horrible voice acting. That's the thing though, isn't it? It all depends on taste.
I live in Earth realm 318. God couldn't make that script sound good. Other than Angeal's computer monotone I can not blame the actors.

[Hae Jung Shin]

I say the voice acting's bad because you can hear the voice actor's breathing into the microphone.
yeah, especially Vaan's :S

Apart from that and fran's they were really.

[Exodus]

I thought CC's voice acting was decent. Apart from Vaan and Fran's in FF12, I didn't think it was too bad either. Once I got used to them, I didn't even bother noticing.

I liked FF12 and CC. :(

[Little Miss Scarlett]

I loved all of XII's voice acting, especially Fran's :blink:

[Final]

I haven't completed the game yet..

I understand what you mean when you say that it's a confusing story.. I think so too.
I do like the characters though, especially Ashe and her story.
Concerning the gambits, and it being too easy.. I like it that way :P

So overall I like this game.. But hey! Everyone has different taste :)

[Exodus]

I loved all of XII's voice acting, especially Fran's :blink:

I thought her voice sounded a bit too compressed. I don't mean she had the wrong actor, just saying hers and Vaan's voices sounded compressed.

I understand what you mean when you say that it's a confusing story.. I think so too.

I thought it was pretty straight forward up until the end. Imperial nation invading neighbouring nations on the verge of world conquest. The prince of the imperials becomes power hungry, off's old man and takes the conquest even further, while his younger brother is beginning to disagree and plan to stop this. And naturally Rozarria is fighting back while a small group of rebels is also trying to fight back while the princess is trying to take back her rightful throne. That much was straightforward, in my opinion.

Then somehow we get these Gods coming into play, and one of them with Vayne and Cid in the palm of his hands. I liked Vayne being the enemy at first because it was a regular human, then he turns into a beast. Disappointment. :( (btw Idc if I gave any spoilers away).

I'm going to go ahead take a guess Matsuno had that mental breakdown around the time gods and monsters an' shit came into the game :(

[Final]

^ Yeah.. Sometime it sounds like they're talking into a can :P

[Little Miss Scarlett]

I do know what you mean there, but it never bothered me whatsoever. Tha actual acting's all that matters to me :D

The whole main plot wasn't so confusing, but there are quite a few subplots going on that make it more interesting, the actual story the main characters have is a subplot, kinda. Would've helped if I could remember any of the judges names.

And isn't Dr Cid one of THE best characters ever created? :P

[Final]

And isn't Dr Cid one of THE best characters ever created? :P

Ooooooooh yeah.... :lol: :D :rolleyes:

[Little Miss Scarlett]

I know this is kind of off topic, but...

YouTube - Final Fantasy XII in a Nutshell

"I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts!" I can so imagine him saying that!

[Final]

^ heheheheh!!

[Naunen]

Stop with all these not-a-thing posts like the one above!

Voice acting was totally great! Not the equipment for it though.

[Hae Jung Shin]

Personally I find Ashe's voice, acting, gestures and face expression to be better than any of those fakes who call themselves actors.

[olorin818]

I have the game next to me now and I'm actually going to start playing it this week. I've watched Dante play some and I have to agree, Balthier is definitley the best character. Penelo seems to just be a boring version of Rikku and Vann just has no personality what so ever...I know it doesn't happen but I wish there was a secret ending where he died a horrible death.

hahaha, that cruel, but if you think of it, then why not, haha
and yeh that true the characters were boring, all I like about that game, was these knights in this nice armors with these helms. really greate design

[Clone of Shadows]

hahaha, that cruel, but if you think of it, then why not, haha
and yeh that true the characters were boring, all I like about that game, was these knights in this nice armors with these helms. really greate design

yeah my fav character is Gabranth.

[Little Miss Scarlett]

Voice acting was totally great! Not the equipment for it though.

Exactly. There really is no excuse considering what a high profile game it is.

[ceru]

I can't believe they said the plot was better than previous titles on gamespot or darker or anything.

The plot felt like it took the entire game to reach 1/4 of a normal FF game, and then it ended. And there was plenty of gameplay hours to fit in more story too.

[Vaan009]

Well I definitely think this game deserves the high mark because it just brings a new and fresh style of fighting into the the battle system. This is by far the best Final Fantasy game I've played..... but I think the story line is just a little bit weaker then X's.

[balthierxashe]

I actually think the plot was fairly dark, although it was in a more human way. It seemed like a more tangible story than we've seen in most Final Fantasies. I certainly wouldn't call the plot light.

The plot was fairly complicated, which I think is one of the reasons some people don't like it.

I didn't mind the license board, really. I liked the battle system for the most part, actually.

The characters were a tad boring for me. I think that it was probably fairly realistic, the way the characters interacted and such, but that doesn't mean I like it, haha. To me, it seemed like Balthier and Ashe were the main characters. They were both certainly more pertinent to the story than the others, especially Vaan and Penelo.

Vaan REALLY annoyed me.

Penelo wasn't too bad, in my opinion.

If you can't tell by my name, I totally loved Balthier and Ashe. Ashe had her moments when she annoyed me, but not too much.

I think I didn't like the storyline because it did seem fairly rooted in politics, but I think it was interesting in its own right. Overall, though, it didn't make much of an impression. I don't remember too much about it.

And I like romance in the FF games, I can't help it. Even though I think this game played out realistically, I still wish there was more of a love story prevalent (while Rasler and Ashe were cute the bit we saw).

I would probably give it a 6.5 or 7 out of 10, without much replayability.

[Exodus]

I can see your points on why you wouldn't fancy the game as much as I did, balthierxashe. However some of the points you pointed out were exactly what made me love the game. I love politics and loved FFXII being focused on politics (love you too Tactics). I thought that made it unique as opposed to other Final Fantasies. Also that cliché love thing that was almost completely cut off Final Fantasy XII was more of a relief if anything to me. Too many of the past FF games focused on it, I thought this change in FFXII's plot was nice.

But I understand not everyone is as influenced by politics and in love with the political aspects of the game as I am. A lot of the Final Fantasy lovers are young and the thought of these things haven't even crossed their mind yet. They long for the love stories and good versus evil, which pretty much is what Final Fantasy XII wasn't, for the most part.

Although Vayne staying a regular human would have made the end so much better. I respected that they finally gave us a regular human villain, then they ruined it for me. :(

[IBeatMyMeat]

I loved 12 for a simple reason. Alot of the game worked much like 11 does. You dont just gain everything, and the combat system is the exact same, though a lil tweaked to be without the online aspect. The story was, like Exodus said, a breath of fresh air from the love stories of 7-X2. I can only take so much "I must save her AND the world at the same time," before I wanna toss my controller against a wall.

As for main characters, no where in any part of the game does it say "Vaan is the main character"....Where is the written rule that the first people you meet haveta be the main characters? FF3/6, first character you meet, Terra. You can complete the game with only 3 characters, and she is not one that you need. Yes Vaan is a rather bland and boring "main" character, but he's just kinda in the game to tag along. Doesnt have a real purpose to the story cept to give you someone to laugh at for looking kinda stupid throughout the game.

To put it all simply, this game isn't liked by most because it's, like 8, X-2, and 11, different. FFers tend to shun just about anything that is different from the rest of the series cause they expect one thing from the series, and practically prey that nothing ever changes. XII was a change, and a very good one, IMO. And based off the look of XIII it's gonna be just another improvement upon a system that people hated in XII, yet they'll say shit like "omg its the best 1337 shiz!!" cause it's the the title we've been waiting for for so long.

[Luriana]

Final Fantasy XII was excellent for me. Super nice.

Yes, with its mistakes, such as the blatand blandness of Vaan, and other minor stuff.
The politics-centered story was SO EPIC. Finally they got rid of love-ridden stories, I was fed-up to no end with the constant repeating of he-loves-she-and-he-needs-to-save-world bullshite.

The Gambit system was somehow hard to learn for me, but once I got used, so good. And the battle system was well-welcomed by me too.

(Although I said I despised the continuing of love-ridden stories, I hope there's a liiiittle-little-itty-bitty of it on FFXIII. :D Just a little bit, like Aretha Franklin says. No love-centered story.)

[IBeatMyMeat]

"...." is all I can think of in response to the Aretha Franklen quote....xD

[Luriana]

Ah, come on, Darkie. What do you want then, Grandmaster Flash? N.W.A.?

:D

[IBeatMyMeat]

It scares me enough I'm being called "Darkie" xD I'll take whatever quotes are given xD *runs off to change title.

[balthierxashe]

I can see your points on why you wouldn't fancy the game as much as I did, balthierxashe. However some of the points you pointed out were exactly what made me love the game. I love politics and loved FFXII being focused on politics (love you too Tactics). I thought that made it unique as opposed to other Final Fantasies. Also that cliché love thing that was almost completely cut off Final Fantasy XII was more of a relief if anything to me. Too many of the past FF games focused on it, I thought this change in FFXII's plot was nice.

But I understand not everyone is as influenced by politics and in love with the political aspects of the game as I am. A lot of the Final Fantasy lovers are young and the thought of these things haven't even crossed their mind yet. They long for the love stories and good versus evil, which pretty much is what Final Fantasy XII wasn't, for the most part.

Although Vayne staying a regular human would have made the end so much better. I respected that they finally gave us a regular human villain, then they ruined it for me. :(

It wasn't that I didn't think the plot was good. I think it was rather sophisticated and mature, and as I said, interesting in its own right.

I just don't care for a politic-central stories in video games, but I do in other mediums. I actually think this would've made a very good movie, and maybe I wouldn't have minded Vaan as much if I didn't have to deal with him for so long, lol.

When it comes to the love stories I kind of fall in the middle. I love good love stories, but at the same time I don't want it bashed into my head. I think just a little more would've been just about right. However, I'm not sure if any more romance in this FF would've fit the game as it was.

I agree that a lot of Final Fantasy players are young and don't know much about politics and things of that nature. I'm probably older (at least according to the poll on this site, lol) than a lot of them and that would explain my opinion on the game versus theirs, if you understand what I'm saying. I understand the game and respect it, while a lot of them seem to simply hate it. Well, that sounds condescending @.@'; That's not how I mean it though...just that age and education give me an edge, if that sounds any better.

Ok, I'm going to stop there...lol...I hope I don't offend anyone.

And yeah, it would've been nice if the main villain was human for once, but I guess SquareEnix just couldn't change it that much, lol.

[Azrael1031]

Good god this game is horrible. Like more horrible then Final Fantasy X-2... I am 45 hours into it.. I am like.. Why do I want to rp this crap. Definally.. Definally the worst .. *twitch*

[elektr1k]

I got into FF for the first time this year, and I played most of them, starting with FFT on the PSP, and then from the PSX versions of FFIV, V and VI all the way through FFX (I skipped X-2). My favorites are IV, VI, VIII and X.

I'm almost 70 hours into FFXII, and I do like it so far (though not as much as FFX's awesome fast-paced battles). However, the story, for me, doesn't seem nearly as emotional as any of the others, and it's difficult to connect with the characters. Like, I don't find myself really caring about what's going on in Ivalice. I don't know. Seems dull to me.

The environments look great, though, and the music isn't bad, but it all sounds all cheery and Ivalice-ish -- not so much like FF to me. But that's okay, because it's not an earsore.

The gambit system is pretty neat, and it's awesome when you've got it set up to handle just about any fiend you encounter. I could have used some of the gambits you get later on much earlier, though, ugh.

Acquiring gil is kind of a pain in the ass for me, though, since it can take hhhooooouuuuurrrrssss to get your preferred party that new set of armaments, but I'm willing to look past that. After doing it a few times, I decided to just skip buying the new stuff that just came out, save my gil, and wait for the next set of new equips.

License board's interesting, had no problems getting points for the stuff I want to use for each character. I'm playing the US release, not the International Zodiac Job System, so I just had each person go a separate path to compensate.

Anyway, it looks amazing, great voice acting, just the story doesn't really grab me, at least not yet. People have called it an offline MMO, but the battle system, though obviously a huge change from the traditional one (I'm aware that XI used a similar system), is implemented pretty well. But yes, I do like XII so far, but I don't think it'll be one of my favorites.

[Exodus]

Yeah, getting gil was horrible in XII. I think I used the same armour and weapons until I got to Archades. Even then I wasn't able to buy much.

[Zezlar]

I liked the game, when I got to the middle of the game I took a long break from it though. Giruvegan or w\e because that place really pissed me off. Then I came back and beat all hunts and stuff, the game deserves no lower than an 8.5 imo.

[iNviD]

I totally agree in that the game had several weaker points, but is overall a very fun game to play.

[Jive Turkey]

Yeah I agree.

This is one of those games that you'll either love it or hate it, I love it because I liked the story and how they mixed up the races and such. I just wish there was more character development.

[IBeatSephiroth]

The game was great, it was fun and had a long lifespan (200 hours believe it or not) but it had its problems. The in-game graphics were annoying and a bit messy, making the incredibly realistic FMVs a relief to watch, and Vaan... He is one of the 'strangest' characters I've seen so far. Not only is he seventeen and acts like a five year old, but his voice is annoying lol

The gameplay, in my opinion, is great, but I occasionally have to perform a roundup of my party characters. I enjoy how hectic battles against certain bosses can become, (Yiazmat I'm looking at you) and how long they can take if your characters aren't adequate. I've completely all the hunts except one, and I think that the rewards are a little slim. I also didn't bother much with the weapons and just concerntrated on levelling my characters.

[beany911]

After playing about 40+ hours of ff12, I can honestly say that I absolutely hate the game. I mean there are good aspects to the gameplay, but overall I just dont like it. The beginning parts of the game were cool, they sorta sucked me into the game but after that it was just boring. I love the art style though, I hate all the characters except for Balthier and Fran. The license board is retarded, I mean they took a great idea from ffX and completley ruined it. And don't even get me started on the summons and quickenings. Good aspects: no more random encounters, the actual battle system is fun (but the license board, summons, and quickenings ruined it for me), I liked the whole political war thing for like the first hour but after playing for such a long time and nothing interesting happened I lost interest. I mean the game's definately a deeper experience than any other final fantasy (as far as gameplay goes), but it all feels half arsed. I don't know, maybe I just like my rpg's to be simple but strategic, like ffx... or anything below ff11 to be honest. God I hope 13 ain't like 12.

[Moklin]

Wrost Final Fantasy ever! Good music, good graphics. Weak story and weak gameplay. Boring like the hell. Even I and X-2 are better than this crap. I dont forgive SE if they do a bad ff again. Im losting my faith in final fantasy. Dragon Quest is better.

[Ventus]

I think FFXII was an excellent game, but of course in terms of its predecessors such as FFVII-FFX its doesnt compare. But I was really drawn into the new battle system and I liked the idea of the license board. If you bought everything on the license board then everyone had a broad range of armaments to select from making it very diverse and not so limited. I also thought the Espers were cool, especially when it came to their final actions. Great cinematic sequences and yes the entire political affair was quite interesting. The sidequests were also fun to deal with and especially hunting powerful weapons. Overall, its great.

[DaveyBoy]

I was quite impressed with ff12, liked the battle system they use but do prefer normal battle system, but i still enjoyed it and still do go on it every now and then.

[Purple]

I loved this game and really enjoyed the battle system sure it lacked certain things here and there and the story dragged in the middle but over all it was a good game. Oh, and Balthier >>>> the rest of Ivalice.

[Luriana]

Final Fantasy XII was pure epicness. I just can't see the point of people who flame it.

Storyline: albeit too political, it attracted my attention nonetheless.

Gameplay: just right. The new battle system was great, Gambit FTW :V:V:V

Voice Acting: English one, NNNNNGHHHHH. Japanese one, YEEEEEEAH

Ah, yeah. Balthier and Fran >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

Ah, yeah. Balthier and Fran >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All

Oh, and Balthier >>>> the rest of Ivalice.
I could've hated everything about FFXII and still finished the game because of Balthier.

I like to think it's mostly FF's younger demographic who are shitting on the game, what with it being a tad bit complicated not to mention more mature. I've heard and read all sorts of bollocks as to why people hated XII, and I have a hard time picturing anyone over the age of fifteen using "there weren't enough cutscenes" as an excuse to pass away a game. WTF? Not enough cutscenes to hold your flakey attention span together, give me a break. You shouldn't be playing games in general if you need cutscenes to keep you moving.

[Luriana]

^
Hellz yeah, Cheekies.

15-year-old wankers who can't stand brainstorming action always pleads for a shitload of cutscenes so they can think they are actually progressing into the game :wtf:

I dare any of them to play Vagrant Story.

[BUTTCHEEKIES, OOH]

15-year-old wankers who can't stand brainstorming action always pleads for a shitload of cutscenes so they can think they are actually progressing into the game :wtf:

I dare any of them to play Vagrant Story. roflz. A la FFX, amirite? :wtf: What a bunch of lazy fat cocks.

WHICH REMINDS ME: GOOD GOD I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THAT GAME (VS).

EBAY SHOULD FUCK OFF WTIH THEIR NTSC $40+ BARGAINS.

[Jive Turkey]

I loved Vagrant Story, and that's a pretty hard game to get now a days. And I agree with Luri on her list of why she liked XII. I have to say it's one of my favorite FF games.

Fran :wub:

[*~Jade~*]

I like FFXII and i think it´s a good game like all the other FF´s too.
Yes, maybe the story is not the best one and maybe the characters too, but the game has good characters too, for example Ashe and Balthier. The story is different, it´s more realistic with the political things. And for me the gameplay in FFXII is better then all the other gameplays. I like the game, because i had fun with it.

[Thula]

I must say i first didn't like much ff xii. The battel sistem was hard to be confident with (i know i didnt say it right but hope you get my point =3=)

But there are many thing i like about this game...
It tries to take some freshness in ff saga. The scenario is one of the best i've ever seen, the graphic is very realistic for ps2 standards (i remember those beautiful landscapes). The gambit is a powerfull thing if used properly u_u (it took me one year to understand how to use gambits full potential, i bet someone didnt like the game just because wasnt capable to set a good gambit >_>) The licences board is a nice growth sistem. No random enemies thanks god T^T Every bit of the field is a battle field, this is i thing i really appreciated ^^ The main menu can be affordable in the middle of a battle to modify completely your character gambit, equip and change party membres whitout wasting time and turns. The plot isnt much prestructurized because one can go everywhere in every point of the game.

But basically the plot doesnt exist, and there isn't feeling between charcaters, they are no friends, i missed much bonds of friendship/love. An some character was just there =_="